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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I don't see where anyone was going after anyone. I see people voicing their difference in opinions.

Pippy and Paws did not state that other people shouldn't feel bothered by these terms, just that they don't sweat it.
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I think it's one of those times where tone is being inferred or interpreted. I can see both sides: "furbaby" is insignificant in day to day life, and I have significantly larger problems going on. But I still cant help the stab of annoyance every time I hear it.
 
Everyone has something that is in the grand scheme of the world, is small and insignificant that annoys them. It is human nature. We can't help what we get annoyed by.

It is ok to be annoyed by something small and insignificant. Yes, there will be bigger things to "worry" about, but that doesn't negate annoyance by smaller things.

Believe it or not you can care about big things AND by annoyed by small things, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Heck, I know people that get annoyed if you don't put the toilet paper roll on the "correct" way. As if there is a "correct" way. The current bigger issue is being able to even find toilet paper, but heck, you are still allowed to be annoyed if your toilet paper roll isn't put on the dispenser your preferred way.

You know what bothers me? Why one of the longest (if not the longest word) in the English language is the word for the fear of long words. Like who did that to those that have a fear of long words? They can't even name their fear because they are afraid of the word that defines their fear. Seriously, the word is hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Who the hell did that? I don't even fear long words, but I feel for those with this fear.
 
DVMDream said:
You know what bothers me? Why one of the longest (if not the longest word) in the English language is the word for the fear of long words. Like who did that to those that have a fear of long words? They can't even name their fear because they are afraid of the word that defines their fear. Seriously, the word is hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Who the hell did that? I don't even fear long words, but I feel for those with this fear.
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so....the person who came up with this word, were they afraid of hippos? See, if I just saw that word, I would think it was a fear of hippos, not long words!!
 
I usually just keep the bathroom door locked so Cheese can't get in there. Of course, he has cordially invited himself to attend all of my showers, so that doesn't work very well. However, he's never been particularly interested in messing with the toilet paper, he is usually much more concerned with knocking towels off my shelf or trying to dismantle the toilet somehow
 
vetmedhead said:
I usually just keep the bathroom door locked so Cheese can't get in there. Of course, he has cordially invited himself to attend all of my showers, so that doesn't work very well. However, he's never been particularly interested in messing with the toilet paper, he is usually much more concerned with knocking towels off my shelf or trying to dismantle the toilet somehow
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You own a cat and you can keep doors closed? What is this magic?
 
genny said:
Not my cat! She will take bites out of the middle. So all of our toilet paper is in little wooden boxes next to the toilets.
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vetmedhead said:
I usually just keep the bathroom door locked so Cheese can't get in there. Of course, he has cordially invited himself to attend all of my showers, so that doesn't work very well. However, he's never been particularly interested in messing with the toilet paper, he is usually much more concerned with knocking towels off my shelf or trying to dismantle the toilet somehow
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genny said:
You own a cat and you can keep doors closed? What is this magic?
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I have a habit of doing this from my childhood cats (who are still alive and live with my family)
I don't have a cat personally and my roommate's cat doesn't get into things but I still close the door anyway.
However, my dog will get into the trash (she'll eat tissues and feminine products) if it doesn't have a lid, so I get to keep a lidless waste bin in the bathroom with the door closed.
 
My parents Cavalier dog loves to grab the toilet paper and pull it all around the house. So you walk in from work or whatever and there’s a giant trail of TP all through the living room. She does it no matter which way you put the roll. But she only does it intermittently so they still leave the bathroom door open.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I have a habit of doing this from my childhood cats (who are still alive and live with my family)
I don't have a cat personally and my roommate's cat doesn't get into things but I still close the door anyway.
However, my dog will get into the trash (she'll eat tissues and feminine products) if it doesn't have a lid, so I get to keep a lidless waste bin in the bathroom with the door closed.
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I keep the guest bathroom door shut so the cat can't go in there. But my bathroom in the master doesn't technically have a door. There is a door to the toilet area, so I could close that and I have at night. Some nights the cat has decided to jump up on the toilet, then jump up on the back part and sit there and scream the song of her people while trying to climb the wall behind the toilet. Or I have caught her rolling around on the lid of the toilet. Which is just gross.

She could not care less about the toilet paper though.
 
DVMDream said:
Some nights the cat has decided to jump up on the toilet, then jump up on the back part and sit there and scream the song of her people while trying to climb the wall behind the toilet.
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My orange cat has recently started doing this, but if I go in and look at her, she starts chasing her tail*. I am suspicious of this behavior. She's plotting something.

*She has fallen off the toilet doing this quite a few times but it seems to be her cover-up for whatever she's ACTUALLY doing.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I have a habit of doing this from my childhood cats (who are still alive and live with my family)
I don't have a cat personally and my roommate's cat doesn't get into things but I still close the door anyway.
However, my dog will get into the trash (she'll eat tissues and feminine products) if it doesn't have a lid, so I get to keep a lidless waste bin in the bathroom with the door closed.
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My dog gets in the bathroom trash too, and grossly he preferentially eats only MY feminine products
 
DVMDream said:
You know what bothers me? Why one of the longest (if not the longest word) in the English language is the word for the fear of long words. Like who did that to those that have a fear of long words? They can't even name their fear because they are afraid of the word that defines their fear. Seriously, the word is hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Who the hell did that? I don't even fear long words, but I feel for those with this fear.
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So I found this which breaks down the etymology of the word. First off, the "hippopotomonstro" part at the beginning is a superfluous combination of two prefixes, "hippo-" and "monstro-", probably just added to make the word longer and "scarier." So you could have just sesquipedaliophobia and it basically means the same thing. Literally translated, the shorter version is "fear of 1.5 feet (long)." So I guess 19 letters is still kinda long but definitely a heck of a lot shorter than 36!
 
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VETS AND VET TECHS ARE GETTING THIS EMAIL FROM NYS AND IM LIVID like this job could be done by a high schooler my extensive training and (future) medical degree are worth more than someone to inventory dead bodies because I’m “used to death”

Edit: like I get that they need help but the fact that this email is specifically targeting veterinary professionals really irks me
 
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VETS AND VET TECHS ARE GETTING THIS EMAIL FROM NYS AND IM LIVID like this job could be done by a high schooler my extensive training and (future) medical degree are worth more than someone to inventory dead bodies because I’m “used to death”

Edit: like I get that they need help but the fact that this email is specifically targeting veterinary professionals really irks me
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IDK I can understand why they are doing it.

Veterinary staff are used to handling dead bodies, and are known to do so in an incredibly respectful way. I would expect people(and officials) would feel better to have their loved ones handled by someone who already has a reputation doing that, as compared to a retail worker who might have never seen a dead body before. Plus we have training in biosecurity, for handling a hazard risk.

We aren't trained or licensed to practice medicine on humans, so we are not in a position to help with the actual medical care.
 
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VETS AND VET TECHS ARE GETTING THIS EMAIL FROM NYS AND IM LIVID like this job could be done by a high schooler my extensive training and (future) medical degree are worth more than someone to inventory dead bodies because I’m “used to death”

Edit: like I get that they need help but the fact that this email is specifically targeting veterinary professionals really irks me
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what more irks me is that they think somehow euthanizing a pet makes someone more emotionally prepared to handle dead humans than the general population.
 
Caiter92 said:
what more irks me is that they think somehow euthanizing a pet makes someone more emotionally prepared to handle dead humans than the general population.
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also this. so much this.

there is a huge difference between euthanizing an animal in pain while also treating other healthy animals and inventory-ing dead humans day after day in terms of trauma exposure.

also, humans are disgusting and i went into vet met for a reason.

idk, i think that if they showed a modicum of respect towards our skillset and education while asking us to do this, i would receive it differently. but this entire email comes off as "able bodied vets needed to inventory corpses bc yall used to dead things thx"
 
@sheltermed I'm sorry for the way my comment came across. Everyone has little things that annoy them, and those feelings are valid.

I do disagree that it devalues the profession, but that's just my own opinion about it, not a commentary on yours. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially in the rant thread 🙂

I hope your family is doing better.
 
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
IDK I can understand why they are doing it.

Veterinary staff are used to handling dead bodies, and are known to do so in an incredibly respectful way. I would expect people(and officials) would feel better have their loved ones handled by someone who already has a reputation doing that, as compared to a retail worker who might have never seen a dead body before. Plus we have training in biosecurity, for handling a hazard risk.

We aren't trained or licensed to practice medicine on humans, so we are not in a position to help with the actual medical care.
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Caiter92 said:
what more irks me is that they think somehow euthanizing a pet makes someone more emotionally prepared to handle dead humans than the general population.
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I agree with both these points. Its unfortunate that the state of New York thinks we've come to this point. I dont think they're meaning to be disrespectful; I just think they dont know what else to do. We do encounter more bereavement than the average high school graduate. We do empathize with loss due to death more than the average high school graduate. From their perspective, I can see where they're coming from. Particularly if laws and regulations are preventing us from being utilized in a medical capacity.

At the same time, it does come across as very course and cold. But, to be honest, it's a course and cold situation.
 
I don't use furkids/dogtor/mom/dad. But I greet dogs and cats with "hey kid." all the time lol
 
capri1722 said:
So I found this which breaks down the etymology of the word. First off, the "hippopotomonstro" part at the beginning is a superfluous combination of two prefixes, "hippo-" and "monstro-", probably just added to make the word longer and "scarier." So you could have just sesquipedaliophobia and it basically means the same thing. Literally translated, the shorter version is "fear of 1.5 feet (long)." So I guess 19 letters is still kinda long but definitely a heck of a lot shorter than 36!
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PippyPony said:
@sheltermed I'm sorry for the way my comment came across. Everyone has little things that annoy them, and those feelings are valid.

I do disagree that it devalues the profession, but that's just my own opinion about it, not a commentary on yours. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially in the rant thread 🙂

I hope your family is doing better.
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Thank you, I really appreciate that.
 
Caiter92 said:
what more irks me is that they think somehow euthanizing a pet makes someone more emotionally prepared to handle dead humans than the general population.
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only if they want beautiful ink and clay hand prints and a sweet hand written sympathy card...

In all seriousness, handling of dead animals =\= handling dead person. I have minimal experience handling a large 100+lb body that is full of infectious agent that is transmissible to me and my family. My style is getting sprayed in the face with blood during surgery and dentals such that I walk out with what looks like with freckles all over my face. Not necessarily safe, and I would tell a vet student extern “do as I say, not as I do.” But I typically don’t have to worry too much about it. The rare lepto and rabies suspect is about the closest I deal with, and that is still not the same. And I rarely lift anything over 30lbs... and I’m sort of worthless when it comes to team lifting since I’m so short.

Also, I am not equipped to handle a bereaved family. I think I do a phenomenal job with excellent bedside manner for my euthanasias, but “Gosh I’m so sorry, they just never live long enough. He was so lucky to have had such an amazing family looking after him” I don’t think will cut it. Yes I experience the euthanasias of pets who are the owner’s *everything.* But people generally expect their pets to die even if they are in denial. People don’t expect their family to die alone in a hospital from a pandemic.

I get that NY is desperate, and someone has to handle the bodies that are piling up. But I don’t see how veterinary staff is uniquely equipped to deal with this. National guard/army reserve is probably a better resource for this.
 
Sorry dead human body does not equal dead animal body in my mind. I never could've taken a human anatomy class working with cadavers. No way.
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
IDK I can understand why they are doing it.

Veterinary staff are used to handling dead bodies, and are known to do so in an incredibly respectful way. I would expect people(and officials) would feel better to have their loved ones handled by someone who already has a reputation doing that, as compared to a retail worker who might have never seen a dead body before. Plus we have training in biosecurity, for handling a hazard risk.

We aren't trained or licensed to practice medicine on humans, so we are not in a position to help with the actual medical care.
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Sent from my phone using the mobile app because I bought it and I'm stubborn
 
PippyPony said:
Meanwhile I'm intrigued by this circular litter box. Where'd you get it?
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oh it’s just the bottom of a Buddha dome... which by the way is waaaaaay too small for most cats!!!

Lifelong Rant: Most housecats are so polite they’ll use a tiny shoebox with a splash of sand in it begrudgingly, but they really should be offered a box >1.5 times their body length and like a sandbox of litter that they can dig dig and dig with. And not in the dank basement. That’s how you get kitties with litterbox problems. I tell clients who blame their *bad cats,* “just cause you’ll use a nasty porta potty/outhouse if you really have to doesn’t mean you are ok with it. And some people like me just aren’t and would prefer to pee/poop in the shrubs behind it. Your cat has a sense of dignity, like me”
 
Minnerbelle said:
only if they want beautiful ink and clay hand prints and a sweet hand written sympathy card...

In all seriousness, handling of dead animals =\= handling dead person. I have minimal experience handling a large 100+lb body that is full of infectious agent that is transmissible to me and my family. My style is getting sprayed in the face with blood during surgery and dentals such that I walk out with what looks like with freckles all over my face. Not necessarily safe, and I would tell a vet student extern “do as I say, not as I do.” But I typically don’t have to worry too much about it. The rare lepto and rabies suspect is about the closest I deal with, and that is still not the same. And I rarely lift anything over 30lbs... and I’m sort of worthless when it comes to team lifting since I’m so short.

Also, I am not equipped to handle a bereaved family. I think I do a phenomenal job with excellent bedside manner for my euthanasias, but “Gosh I’m so sorry, they just never live long enough. He was so lucky to have had such an amazing family looking after him” I don’t think will cut it. Yes I experience the euthanasias of pets who are the owner’s *everything.* But people generally expect their pets to die even if they are in denial. People don’t expect their family to die alone in a hospital from a pandemic.

I get that NY is desperate, and someone has to handle the bodies that are piling up. But I don’t see how veterinary staff is uniquely equipped to deal with this. National guard/army reserve is probably a better resource for this.
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Just want to say I 1000% agree with this. This is such an out of the norm situation even for people who have experience with bereavement. The circumstances created by the pandemic are so much more than just the loss itself. its the loss of a family member while knowing that they died alone, being unable to even have a proper funeral for closure, and also being quarantined and unable to even be around others for support. My fiancé knows some people from work who passed from COVID and the worst part is knowing they died alone, the guy's wife is completely isolated and alone due to being exposed and needing to quarantine, and due to her needing to quarantine and social distancing in general they can't have a wake or a real funeral. And then they need to be afraid for their own health knowing that they were exposed to the virus that resulted in their loved one dying alone. Its all heartbreaking and complicated on so many different levels, I don't think anything could possibly prepare anyone to deal with that or help others through it regardless of what your background is.

grebes4lyfe said:
VETS AND VET TECHS ARE GETTING THIS EMAIL FROM NYS AND IM LIVID like this job could be done by a high schooler my extensive training and (future) medical degree are worth more than someone to inventory dead bodies because I’m “used to death”

Edit: like I get that they need help but the fact that this email is specifically targeting veterinary professionals really irks me
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And I honestly completely disagree that its a job that could be done by any high school kid...it takes a lot of emotional maturity to even begin to handle something like that and I think it would be a completely unfair situation to put a high school kid in. Even if some random kid THOUGHT they could handle it, they likely don't have the life experience, coping skills, or emotional maturity to truly make that assessment and I think recruiting that population could do a lot of harm. And one thing that's clear from reading this forum is everyone here at least understands the exposure to trauma inherent in this, why it may be incredibly difficult emotionally, and can assess their capabilities accordingly. So while maybe it could have been worded better, I can almost see where they're coming from asking people who they know at least have the capability to be compassionate as well as SOME experience with emotionally charged/difficult situations so they might be a little better equipped to assess whether or not this is a job they could do and still be OK afterwards. I do think the national guard would be better suited, but maybe that resource is already tapped out. Basically I don't think it was done out of malice or disrespect for veterinarians even if that's how it may have come across.
 
altadama said:
And I honestly completely disagree that its a job that could be done by any high school kid...it takes a lot of emotional maturity to even begin to handle something like that and I think it would be a completely unfair situation to put a high school kid in. Even if some random kid THOUGHT they could handle it, they likely don't have the life experience, coping skills, or emotional maturity to truly make that assessment and I think recruiting that population could do a lot of harm. And one thing that's clear from reading this forum is everyone here at least understands the exposure to trauma inherent in this, why it may be incredibly difficult emotionally, and can assess their capabilities accordingly. So while maybe it could have been worded better, I can almost see where they're coming from asking people who they know at least have the capability to be compassionate as well as SOME experience with emotionally charged/difficult situations so they might be a little better equipped to assess whether or not this is a job they could do and still be OK afterwards. I do think the national guard would be better suited, but maybe that resource is already tapped out. Basically I don't think it was done out of malice or disrespect for veterinarians even if that's how it may have come across.
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While I’m not positive this is how grebes actually meant it, I read the high school kid thing as “it doesn’t take any special medical skills and ol Joe Schmoe down the street could competently do this job, so why is it what veterinary professionals are being asked to do when we actually have medical knowledge and could be put to work somewhere else???” not necessarily that a high schooler would be emotionally equipped to handle the job. *I* wouldn’t be emotionally equipped to handle the job.
 
I guess my thing is, they are also requesting volunteers, not conscripting people. No one is being forced to do anything they don't want to do or aren't comfortable with in this situation. It's simply reaching out for help, not ordering people to report for duty, and I don't see anything there meant to make people feel guilty for not volunteering either.
 
The NY vet board apparently sent out an “apology” email shortly after the one asking for volunteers that basically said, yeah we are sorry if people are offended, we asked the ME office to reword things if they really wanted to attract veterinarians to volunteer for this because we thought it came off like any strong body is really all they want, and the ME doubled down on the wording and said to send it as they wrote. It was clearly one of those apologies where the people were just shifting blame but trying to calm the masses and idk if it really helped or not.

I think this is one of those things that was good intentioned but ultimately how they went about it probably ruined it. They can certainly ask and some people may be willing to do it. But phrasing is important. A lot of the outrage I’ve heard is that there was no mention of pay in the emails. It says volunteer...does that mean you just want people to step up and you’ll pay them or do you expect people to do this for free? Because nurses are reportedly getting thousands of dollars and lodging for coming to help, and if you’re asking a vet to work for free that’s really kinda annoying and taking advantage of our experience and education. But at the same time, money doesn’t grow on trees and I can see why they’d ask for true volunteers before offering pay. A vet isn’t used to the intricacies of the hospital systems like a nurse or doctor is...we’ve all had “help” that was so labor intensive to train it wasn’t actually a help, so I can see why they are trying to put people in a “lesser” role. Idk. I agree that this wasn’t done in the best way but this is a desperate situation in these areas...just don’t volunteer if you don’t like it. It isn’t a draft (yet anyway).
 
altadama said:
Basically I don't think it was done out of malice or disrespect for veterinarians even if that's how it may have come across.
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Oh it sure wasn’t done out of malice or disrespect. They are clearly in need. The butthurtness of some veterinarians regarding this call for volunteers is partly the usual “not a real doctor” ego issue. We need to just get over that. Volunteer to be involved if you are willing to help where there’s need. Many vets have been asking “where can we help?” And this was the response. If they don’t like it, then don’t participate? No need to bitch and moan about how they deserve a different job. If anything we would be needed where we have minimal liability issues with live patients, and we don’t have to be a part of patient charting and medical records. I don’t see why some veterinarians think they are suited for life saving patient care. We totally would not be very helpful there. My bestie is an MD in the COVID ward, and even MDs from other specialties are marginally helpful (though obviously some specialties are better than others). They cringe with the thought of retired docs coming in, just like I would never want many of the retired ole vets coming within 10 feet of my patients. There’s also administrative issues, where we have no idea how any of that works.

The legit issue with this is the lack of adequate compensation for this super hazardous job... apparently there is some compensation, but like, this is a big ask. Unless we’re at the point where people are being drafted involuntarily, compensation should be offered. Otherwise I suspect there won’t be much interest. If there is, good for those kind hearted souls.
 
JaynaAli said:
Because nurses are reportedly getting thousands of dollars and lodging for coming to help, and if you’re asking a vet to work for free that’s really kinda annoying and taking advantage of our experience and education. But at the same time, money doesn’t grow on trees and I can see why they’d ask for true volunteers before offering pay.
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You know what’s ****ed up about this?

They’re offering traveling nurses a ton to attract them (more than MD pay) and the frontline healthcare workers who are local and have been dealing with all of this are rewarded with nothing, and sometimes having their pay cut. Per my friend who works in a large renowned hospital, in NYC they're paying MDs from out of state 50K for 3w while the MDs at NYC hospitals are getting salaries cut by half. Residents/fellows acting as attendings for the same salary.
 
Minnerbelle said:
You know what’s ****ed up about this?

They’re offering traveling nurses a ton to attract them (more than MD pay) and the frontline healthcare workers who are local and have been dealing with all of this are rewarded with nothing, and sometimes having their pay cut. Per my friend who works in a large renowned hospital, in NYC they're paying MDs from out of state 50K for 3w while the MDs at NYC hospitals are getting salaries cut by half. Residents/fellows acting as attendings for the same salary.
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That is...insanely ****ed up. I get trying to attract people to help, but doing that at the expense of the people who have to be there is ****ty beyond belief.
 
SkiOtter said:
While I’m not positive this is how grebes actually meant it, I read the high school kid thing as “it doesn’t take any special medical skills and ol Joe Schmoe down the street could competently do this job, so why is it what veterinary professionals are being asked to do when we actually have medical knowledge and could be put to work somewhere else???” not necessarily that a high schooler would be emotionally equipped to handle the job. *I* wouldn’t be emotionally equipped to handle the job.
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Yes this is what I meant, ski. Thank you. I definitely could have worded my OP better but I was angry.
 
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