Huh. Tbh samac has been pinging me most so far, based just on feels/tone mostly, but I wonder if she would openly retaliatory yeet… I feel that early on especially, a good offensive is a good defense, so I’m not ruling it out
pushing
samac
I feel like it’s the heightened sensitivity we have (or at least I have) to when someone votes or suspects us for reasons that are lacking vs when they do the same to other people. Much like I don’t expect you to be out here solving the game because it’s D1, I don’t expect alley’s suspicions to be well-reasoned and her vote to be based on tons of evidence. She comes out of the gate strong to get discussion started rather than wait for evidence to come before accusing anyone, which I appreciate because it does get the content started. This is what I expect of village alley. I don’t remember wolf alley well, but I associate it more with village alley than wolf alley
defending
alley
Her posts for the first few pages gave me a feeling of like… hollowness. It felt not like she was less excited about the theme, but like she was trying to imitate her typical excitement and chaotic good energy. Then there was alley’s entry to the thread, and her late (as in after she’d already posted content, not as in late in the cycle) salt yeet, and I was like “wow something about this feels so village alley in exactly the way that people are going to jump all over her and try to get her misyeeted”, and then lo:
again pushing
samac
Maybe I’m a sucker but this explanation for the alley vote rings too sincere to me. I still don’t believe alley’s wolfing, personally.
Unvote samac
this feels kind of like she backed down a bit too easily
Hedgey and echoey. Not hedgey in the way of “reasoning through both sides of how something could fit someone being wolf or village, and thinking through possible counterpoints to her points” which I expect of village TME and is what always gets her called hedgey, but hedgey in the way of “making an observation and not taking any kind of stand on it”.
These two posts feel like performing “look everyone I am here, just for reals raring to go wolfhunt I just can’t yet because not everyone’s here, and also btw look at these people who are not”
This pinged me as “saying something just to say something that would count as content” as well as “throwing around easy sus”. I don’t feel cray’s activity level D1 is at all AI.
reads on me. obviously i don't like them
It feels ballsywolfy and tricksywolfy in a way that lines up with what I’ve been warned about wolf Mel to basically naked vote someone D1 and say you have “good reason” not to say why. But if he’s got some grand village plan I’d be sad to interrupt it by yeeting him D1, so I’m staying off that vote for today
hedgey (pot kettle, i know)
I might have missed it, but why is Bob wolfy to you?
asking about
bob
I feel like genny is always excited about ties, and iirc that was just a 2-way tie, whereas your reaction to the idea of ending in a 4-way tie didn’t strike me as typical of you.
some cubs sus
The more I reread the more I’m talking myself out of my wolf read on cubs. He feels weird, but not in the direction he has as a wolf. His play last night felt “sloppy” (not meaning to offend, can’t think of a better way to say it) and I expect him to push more to avoid that kind of spewing thoughts as a wolf. His wolf spew is usually emotional manipulation and jokes, whereas I feel like as a villager he is more likely to let himself stream-of-conciousness undeveloped thoughts on the game.
backing down again
I wouldn’t count on it. When you have a small pack especially, ties emerging close to close can be pretty terrifying to try to mess with in defence of a packmate. Plus there was some vote movement around close, so I wouldn’t say everyone was happy with the tie.
again, feels like something that i might say as a wolf if no wolves were on the board. in retrospect we know bob wasn't on the board. but to be fair i posted similar thoughts
POE:
TME
Pleasey
stagg=cubs=Bob
You=Cray=mkg
I can't remember who "you" is in this POE list. bob is comfortably nestled in there but not in a dangerous spot
Interesting catch. I feel like AM and Bob are bad at reading each other, so I’m a bit skeptical that he apparently has specific wolf AM tells now
verrrry mild sus on bob
Ehhh. I can see a wolf making a lot of other bull****, lazy reasons to throw suspicion on someone other than having to call them out on something they’re doing themself. Why remind village of the idea that lowposting=wolfy just to throw suspicion on one villager?
this was directed at plz about stagg
I can see the logic of this but I have doubts that mkg would use that method to try to get votes moving. It was a really unexpected and distracting suggestion, and I feel it drew attention away from the usual last-minute deliberation and waffles. More of a “I’m fine with the status quo” wolf move than anything.
now talking about the D1 vote as if no wolves were on the board
I
I’m having trouble understanding this paragraph, sorry, can you rephrase?
interaction with bob
I’ll be honest, this reads to me like “here’s somewhere that he didn’t explain his logic. Wolfy” and “here’s somewhere he did explain his logic in more detail, I’ll give a village point to make it clear I’m being Fair and Balanced”. The fact that the villagest thing found (his reasoning on voting Cray over “considering him and Bob in a pack” (did not happen. Twisting her words) and “inconsistent reasoning” (like I said in another post, I don’t see it as logically inconsistent at all, so could also be twisting)) is, to me, the main point against him being village makes it hard for me to see this ISO as sincere. I’m keeping in mind that confirmation bias might be colouring how I’m reading it, though.
to plz, mild defense of mel?
Hm
Yeah honestly this reads as a very logical progression as a villager, with the typical wavering and not always 100% linear progression I expect. Cubs’ attacking Bob here for pulling reads out of nowhere and retaliatory wolfreading cubs is decidedly reminding me of greatest idea sk!cubs who kept rewriting history to say that shorty was making obviously fake reads and railroaded isos and that everyone was faking wolfreads of or unfairly wolfreading him
such villagey opinion of bob, sussing cubs
Not really. It seems NAI for both of you, or at least NAI to me. Maybe those who’ve played more with Mel (I’ve only seen him wolf as a convert when I was also wolfing) can see something in it, but to me it just looks like he jokingly brought up a scenario that crossed his mind but didn’t actually want to pursue it. I don’t really see the wolf strategy in that, since he wasn’t “jokingly” saying “oh hey what if xyz framed me hmmm maybe we should vote them”, it was just a nonactionable hypothetical. Unless it’s a joke that he would be unlikely to make as a villager for some reason, I don’t see how it’s AI.
calling AM/Mel interaction NAI
this is to
samac, who was pushing
bob
Idk I’m having trouble thinking things through atm but this post just pinged me on a gut level
again,
samac pushing
bob
Is your wolf read of AM influenced by your wolf read of me, or just vice versa?
seems very interested in samac's read on her
If you’re not wolf reading him, why would you be especially interested to see who would be willing to vote for him?
interested in my read on bob
I
I see what you’re saying but it makes sense to me with him a) reportedly being busy so having less time for joking around and b) having gotten sus in previous games for having high fluff to content
defending bob
I’m considering. Something about the momentum building on TME and the response feels like there’s not a pack protecting her. Not that I’d expect much from probably just 1 packmate or obviously if she’s solo sk, but I don’t think I have a great history of reading her.
Unvote TME
this is where i start having a hard time with vis/bob as w/w, because this move put bob back in the lead
Wait I wasn’t on Bob am I having a stroke
also wondering what the heck happened here. wondering if there was wolfchat discussion of a bus? or just brain fart
I added an extra “unvote Bob” because I was debating whether to vite Bob, cubs, or TME and what prompted the vote was me believing Bob’s claim
i'm not actually sure when vis started considering voting bob, when most recent quotes seemed to be defending him
Apparently misread like wild, especially if AM is the second wolf, to my village meta.
Because wolves don’t just point a neon arrow to their partners in their reads and they try to make them not stick out as vastly different from their reads of villagers. Haven’t reread anything yet, but I’d be suspicious of people who had pretty same-y notes in Bob’s readslist.
trying to distance herself from Bob's reads list?
