Touro COM - New York (TouroCOM-NY) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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I guess as a 4th year i'm a bit out of touch with the pre-clinicals now... but i'll field questions if you guys want. Figure I should be loyal to my school and help out new/prospectives.

Would you mind commenting on the quality and sites of clinical rotations (e.g., what are the sites, are they easy to get into or uber competitive, how much hands-on and scut work are you assigned, etc)?

Thanks!

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How much is the COL and expenses other than tuition? Is 65k/year reasonable for tuition and living expenses?

Yea. Easily. I had a little money saved up (~10,000) and made it by on about 46 or 47K a year. And I had GFs during the time so i had to eat out a bit more than most people might. And I party sometimes so I'd definitely "take advantage" of the city. So I'm a good example of an average to slightly above average spender. Though I had a great rent (800 a month) and most people will be about 1,000 a month.

So if you have nothing saved up you can still make it by 50K easily reliably.

The only people I know who are taking out 60K or more are the ones who are married or engaged and could use the extra cash due to their marital status. And one friend who might as well be engaged :laugh: so he fits in that category too.
 
Would you mind commenting on the quality and sites of clinical rotations (e.g., what are the sites, are they easy to get into or uber competitive, how much hands-on and scut work are you assigned, etc)?

Thanks!

sites (that I know. since some are new to me)

St John's Episcopal: Old hospital and it shows. In a poor area and it shows. This is basically your "oh you want to see a harlem community. here" hospital. Its in Queens by the queens/nassau border and its population may as well be harlems. Great to go to if you want to see 1) unusual pathology and 2) geriatrics. It has the highest geriatric patient population of any hospital in the US because of the number of nursing homes in that area of the city. I dont ever want to do IM, but I left there being a master of renal failure, stroke aftercare, and COPD management because those are diseases of the old and I can rattle off standard treatment for them without thinking anymore. Except for OBGYN, every department is *extremely* education oriented and also hands on. It seems counter-intuitive, but they have only a moderate census so you can both work as an intern would work and can still have enough time for significant time dedicated to reading or conferences. Overall a great choice if you can put up with the patient population. It is all DO residencies and except for derm and ophtho they are lower teir DO residencies, but there is nothing *wrong* with them. Derm and ophtho there are highly sougth after.

Trinitas: hear great things, but need to ask someone else. I didnt go there. Similar feel to St. John's in that it has a mid sizes patient census so you can get hands on while still receiving education. I cant comment on the balance of those things because I havent been there. I can say that their residencies are mid-level competitive and I imagine most people would be very happy to be there if they enjoyed their rotation there.

The "NJRMEC": A combination of about 6 hospitals that just opened up residencies this year in the AOA. I will be there in a few months, but since they didnt have residencies until now they were known for the short easy days where you work intensively with an physician and then were on your own to do whatever you wanted from there. Self driven learning was good for those who actually wanted to read a ton, or wanted to be lazy. I imagine its changing since they just dropped a residency core onto the hospital this year. (when you open a residency you can recruit for all PGY years, not just interns. Something I learned when this place opened them)

Staten Island University Hospital: Basically a major hospital but located in staten island. The experience is very similar to major hospitals where the hands on may be a little less than you'd like. As a student youre less a member of the team and more a student of the interns. You do a lot, but *occasionally* youre relegated down to a less vital position. On the other side, I hear the education here is the tops and you learn a ton. Its just your own personal sense of worth within the team is less. I havent been here, but there is a lot of overlap with SIUH rotators and SJEH rotators. So I saw plenty of people at St John's who gave me a decent grasp of the experience. Has residencies. They are low-end ACGME residencies but I hear their IM and Surgery department are extremely strong and are really wanting to integrate us into their department.

St. Lukes: we have a few rotations here. Psych and IM I think? Psych and OBGYN? OBGYN IM and Psych? Whatever it is... St. Luke's (and Roosevelt, its a two campus hospital) are great hospitals. I'm there right now for an elective. I can speak to what fields we go there for, since i clearly don't even know. But these two are fantastic hospitals and their residencies have a few touro students smattered in them (3 I think) and will probably take another 1 or 2 this year.
 
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Yea. Easily. I had a little money saved up (~10,000) and made it by on about 46 or 47K a year. And I had GFs during the time so i had to eat out a bit more than most people might. And I party sometimes so I'd definitely "take advantage" of the city. So I'm a good example of an average to slightly above average spender. Though I had a great rent (800 a month) and most people will be about 1,000 a month.

So if you have nothing saved up you can still make it by 50K easily reliably.

The only people I know who are taking out 60K or more are the ones who are married or engaged and could use the extra cash due to their marital status. And one friend who might as well be engaged :laugh: so he fits in that category too.

Really? Isn't tuition in the 40's though? And ~15k/year is enough for everything else? That is great to hear!!
 
Really? Isn't tuition in the 40's though? And ~15k/year is enough for everything else? That is great to hear!!

well tuition has also gone up. but with all school related costs should be ~$40K. It's not "in the 40s" unless it bumped up again significantly this year. Was 39 last year I believe. I took out $46K because that was my tuition plus my rent. (or whaever the final number was) and my lifestyle living was not that bad, but i lived off of money i had saved up.

I prob went though 3K a year in various expenses of my personal life. I guess what I should have said is if you have nothing then take school expenses, figure out your rent (plus about $100 per month for utilities and cable) add that to it. And then add a large amount (6k? 7K?) to that for living expenses. You'll probably end up with 3K extra in the end of the year, but at least you'll have that cushion and can budget a little bit tighter next year.
 
well tuition has also gone up. but with all school related costs should be ~$40K. It's not "in the 40s" unless it bumped up again significantly this year. Was 39 last year I believe. I took out $46K because that was my tuition plus my rent. (or whaever the final number was) and my lifestyle living was not that bad, but i lived off of money i had saved up.

I prob went though 3K a year in various expenses of my personal life. I guess what I should have said is if you have nothing then take school expenses, figure out your rent (plus about $100 per month for utilities and cable) add that to it. And then add a large amount (6k? 7K?) to that for living expenses. You'll probably end up with 3K extra in the end of the year, but at least you'll have that cushion and can budget a little bit tighter next year.

60k.year should be fine for me then, assuming 40k tuition, 12k rent, and ~8k for food, books, personal stuff. That is not that bad actually much less than anticipated. I guess some simple math can go along way :rolleyes: ... This just makes my decision harder as to whether I would attend MSU (60k/year TUITION) or a school like TouroNY (60k/year EVERYTHING). Sigh...
 
sites (that I know. since some are new to me)

St John's Episcopal: Old hospital and it shows. In a poor area and it shows. This is basically your "oh you want to see a harlem community. here" hospital. Its in Queens by the queens/nassau border and its population may as well be harlems. Great to go to if you want to see 1) unusual pathology and 2) geriatrics. It has the highest geriatric patient population of any hospital in the US because of the number of nursing homes in that area of the city. I dont ever want to do IM, but I left there being a master of renal failure, stroke aftercare, and COPD management because those are diseases of the old and I can rattle off standard treatment for them without thinking anymore. Except for OBGYN, every department is *extremely* education oriented and also hands on. It seems counter-intuitive, but they have only a moderate census so you can both work as an intern would work and can still have enough time for significant time dedicated to reading or conferences. Overall a great choice if you can put up with the patient population. It is all DO residencies and except for derm and ophtho they are lower teir DO residencies, but there is nothing *wrong* with them. Derm and ophtho there are highly sougth after.

Trinitas: hear great things, but need to ask someone else. I didnt go there. Similar feel to St. John's in that it has a mid sizes patient census so you can get hands on while still receiving education. I cant comment on the balance of those things because I havent been there. I can say that their residencies are mid-level competitive and I imagine most people would be very happy to be there if they enjoyed their rotation there.

The "NJRMEC": A combination of about 6 hospitals that just opened up residencies this year in the AOA. I will be there in a few months, but since they didnt have residencies until now they were known for the short easy days where you work intensively with an physician and then were on your own to do whatever you wanted from there. Self driven learning was good for those who actually wanted to read a ton, or wanted to be lazy. I imagine its changing since they just dropped a residency core onto the hospital this year. (when you open a residency you can recruit for all PGY years, not just interns. Something I learned when this place opened them)

Staten Island University Hospital: Basically a major hospital but located in staten island. The experience is very similar to major hospitals where the hands on may be a little less than you'd like. As a student youre less a member of the team and more a student of the interns. You do a lot, but *occasionally* youre relegated down to a less vital position. On the other side, I hear the education here is the tops and you learn a ton. Its just your own personal sense of worth within the team is less. I havent been here, but there is a lot of overlap with SIUH rotators and SJEH rotators. So I saw plenty of people at St John's who gave me a decent grasp of the experience. Has residencies. They are low-end ACGME residencies but I hear their IM and Surgery department are extremely strong and are really wanting to integrate us into their department.

St. Lukes: we have a few rotations here. Psych and IM I think? Psych and OBGYN? OBGYN IM and Psych? Whatever it is... St. Luke's (and Roosevelt, its a two campus hospital) are great hospitals. I'm there right now for an elective. I can speak to what fields we go there for, since i clearly don't even know. But these two are fantastic hospitals and their residencies have a few touro students smattered in them (3 I think) and will probably take another 1 or 2 this year.

Absolutely WONDERFUL information, exactly what I was looking for and very happy to hear those answers! Thank you! Last question: Are there any nearby osteopathic neurosurgical electives available?
 
whereee are the secondariessssssss..........
 
Do I have any chance?

GPA 3.2 sGPA 3.1 econ major
MCAT 23 Q (never had time to study)

4 years active duty respiratory therapist
worked full time/school full time
GREAT recommendations
well above average leadership, teaching experience

if I get an interview I can nail it.. will schools look past my numbers?

appreciate all critiques/advice

It could happen... but that MCAT is very low. Why not just retake the MCAT? No offense but 'never having time to study' isnt a good excuse for doing poorly on an entrance exam.
 
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I definitely plan on retaking it however it would be for next application cycle as I plan on doing Kaplan and testing in the March/April time frame.

I was not trying to make an excuse for my poor performance. However, working 40 hours/week while going to school full time, financially supporting a family and a sick mother seriously inhibits studying. I am proud that I had the stamina to survive college despite the low gpa. Many in my position do not even attempt to pursue college when dealt my hand. Sooo.. now that I have the time to study, I will retake MCAT and hopefully all will be better.. THanks for the tips, I appreciate your opinion

Doing a Kaplan with an MCAT retake and planning for next cycle is the way to go, imo. There's absolutely no need to rush this stuff -- it's your future (and it's also very expensive to apply).

Sorry to hear you had a tough time. I had a very similar situation when I took the MCAT and I know first hand that you can better prepare yourself for it, and do better. Good luck -- keep your eye on the prize. :thumbup:
 
Do I have any chance?

GPA 3.2 sGPA 3.1 econ major
MCAT 23 Q (never had time to study)

4 years active duty respiratory therapist
worked full time/school full time
GREAT recommendations
well above average leadership, teaching experience

if I get an interview I can nail it.. will schools look past my numbers?

appreciate all critiques/advice

I applied and interviewed here last year late in the cycle with a 32 MCAT and did not get accepted. I had a strong interview but there were just too few spots left. With a 23 you are belkw the cutoff for some places to even send you a secondary. The princeton review online class was really good. Thats how i got my score up after voiding my test result on the first try.

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I checked out the 2011-12 thread, and they didn't start receiving their secondaries until 8/22... so we should be getting ours soon.
I also saw that someone found out that a secondary=interview. Apparently Touro sends out a below average number of secondaries. They basically want to make sure you can write a coherent essay. So... who knows.
 
no secondary yet either, I'm only waiting on one other...
 
new yorkers must be sloooooow,, nada from both new york based DO schools
 
new yorkers must be sloooooow,, nada from both new york based DO schools

lol, more like overwhelmed and busy. Also, NYCOM's secondary is just on thir website... no?
 
but you still can't just send them the secondary until you get invited,,, no?

On the website it says you can fill it out whenever you want to. I am already complete.
 
On the website it says you can fill it out whenever you want to. I am already complete.

I'm confused.

"Following the receipt of the primary application from AACOMAS, applicants who appear to qualify and meet academic standards are sent a supplemental (or secondary) application, allowing their candidacy to move forward. The secondary application is returned to Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine with a $200.00 non-refundable fee."
 
I'm confused.

"Following the receipt of the primary application from AACOMAS, applicants who appear to qualify and meet academic standards are sent a supplemental (or secondary) application, allowing their candidacy to move forward. The secondary application is returned to Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine with a $200.00 non-refundable fee."

We're talking about NYCOM - someone mentioned that both NY DO schools havent sent out secondaries yet. Touro NY has not sent theirs out yet, but according to last year, this is normal.
 
I've been complete at almost every other school I've applied to and even heard back from a couple, but I am yet to received a secondary from here :thumbdown:
 
I've been complete at almost every other school I've applied to and even heard back from a couple, but I am yet to received a secondary from here :thumbdown:

I am in the same boat, but for some reason, I am not in as much of a rush to get the secondary due to the $200 fee. I would rather see how my other interviews go and then decide if it would be worth it to spend this much money.
 
I think this is the very last school, MDs included. I'm likely not going to submit it even if I do receive it. $200 is about half of the cost of interviewing.
 
umm i called to see when they would move; and i asked that if secondary=interview and the guy was really hesitant to say yes he said "umm... not really.."
and i mentioned that in the previous years secondary=interview and he goes "we'll see what happens."

lol..
 
Just received secondary via e-mail.

Not sure if I will fill it or not. 200 dollars and a 2 page essay aren't looking promising right about now.

Does anyone know how much they really screen?
 
Just received secondary via e-mail.

Not sure if I will fill it or not. 200 dollars and a 2 page essay aren't looking promising right about now.

Does anyone know how much they really screen?

+1

Probably won't fill it out
 
Just received secondary via e-mail.

Not sure if I will fill it or not. 200 dollars and a 2 page essay aren't looking promising right about now.

Does anyone know how much they really screen?

I went on a tour a couple of months ago. We were told they get about 6K apps. They send out 800 secondaries TOTAL and interview pretty much all of them. If you are very persistent and show interest it seems like they will accept you . . . It also seems like they have a lot of movement off their wait list.

One thing I did not like - the tour guide mentioned that when they start pulling from the waitlist, they call those chosen. If you don't answer your phone they call they next person on the list and give them your spot. I hope he was kidding . . .
 
Finally received the secondary...Hope they accept my fee waiver because $200 ain't happenin'.
 
Just received the secondary. $200 and two-page essay. I wonder how many people actually return the secondary that get it.
 
I went on a tour a couple of months ago. We were told they get about 6K apps. They send out 800 secondaries TOTAL and interview pretty much all of them. If you are very persistent and show interest it seems like they will accept you . . . It also seems like they have a lot of movement off their wait list.

One thing I did not like - the tour guide mentioned that when they start pulling from the waitlist, they call those chosen. If you don't answer your phone they call they next person on the list and give them your spot. I hope he was kidding . . .

So they only send secondaries to 13% of people who apply? I wonder what I did to be so special.

Do you think they get that many apps because of the location? How were the facilities? I hear mixed reviews. I have some family and a lot of friends in NYC but then again, who doesn't?

That waitlist thing is kinda bogus...hope they were kidding about that otherwise it shows they don't care very much about how they select their students.

So the class is about 135 students and they probably accept double that amount which makes 270 students and they give out 800 secondaries...don't know if I wanna bet my money on that!
 
Secondary received. Pretty sure I'm not submitting this thing.
 
So the class is about 135 students and they probably accept double that amount which makes 270 students and they give out 800 secondaries...don't know if I wanna bet my money on that!

Same here. But the way I think of it is, if they give the secondary to only qualified applicants, those applicants most likely already applied and received interviews elsewhere, making this school a little less attractive to them. So maybe they'll be way more apt to go somewhere else besides here. Just my theory. But it is a big gamble...
 
No secondary yet but if we receive the secondary are we actually guarenteed an interview?
 
So they only send secondaries to 13% of people who apply? I wonder what I did to be so special.

Do you think they get that many apps because of the location? How were the facilities? I hear mixed reviews. I have some family and a lot of friends in NYC but then again, who doesn't?

That waitlist thing is kinda bogus...hope they were kidding about that otherwise it shows they don't care very much about how they select their students.

So the class is about 135 students and they probably accept double that amount which makes 270 students and they give out 800 secondaries...don't know if I wanna bet my money on that!

The school occupies a couple of floors in an old hotel in Harlem. The facilities are all brand new and completely renovated. The first (ground) floor is basically all commercial stores, like a white castle, clothing store, etc. They have a couple of those sim robots. There is a small cafeteria, tiny gym.

Honestly, It's not really my cup of tea. I want more of a traditional campus feel. So I don't think I'll be sending in my secondary. With 2 interviews down and three more scheduled money is getting pretty tight . . .
 
Today must be the day the bulk of secondaries were sent out. I'm debating... yes, the $200 is steep, but I'm kind of liking those odds.
 
No secondary yet but if we receive the secondary are we actually guarenteed an interview?

Yes, if you get the secondary you get an interview. That was my understanding and I interviewed here last year. I think it's worth the $200 for the guaranteed interview.
 
Anyone know how thoroughly they screened the applicants? I remember reading somewhere that it was based on 10+ BS, but I think otherwise.
 
I got my secondary today but I applied over a month ago. Has anyone who has had their application in for over a month not received one? I find it hard to believe they only send out 800 or so supplemental applications and that it pretty much equals an interview.
 
I got my secondary today but I applied over a month ago. Has anyone who has had their application in for over a month not received one? I find it hard to believe they only send out 800 or so supplemental applications and that it pretty much equals an interview.

I also find this hard to believe...200 dollars is a lot of money and for the record theres no way they screen based on having a 10 for BS because I got an 8 on BS for my mcat...and I got a secondary.
 
Checked my emails and learned that I got the secondary.. I thought it was an interview offer since I've already forgotten that I applied to TouroNY. I'm a NYC type of personality, but I have mixed feelings to submit this one. $200 is a lot of money after spending hundreds in this game so far.
 
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