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I mean its an identity thing. It is the only real thing that differentiates them from the MD brethren. So I get the reason for the focus, but talking about it in unrealistic terms without any doubt turns me off as well.
There is some growing evidence that a lot of the techniques are either ineffective or detrimental in some cases, and things like pushing craniosacral therapy just make me cringe. I do think you get a better understanding of anatomy and better ability to use your hands to diagnose and understand what is going on with someones body, but there are just so many dubious beliefs that are pushed as gospel, that it makes even the proven and positive things hard to take seriously at times. From what I've seen, it's mostly students/academics where I've seen this, and a lot of it comes down to the attitude I've seen. "Watch me cure this person thats had lifelong debilitating back paint with 5 seconds of HVLA". The DO's I've shadowed that actually do use OMM, seem to have a very different mindset for the most part.
http://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2092865
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=0B56BFAB4F6C2B9D828491590F4E0B1E.f01t03
Theres plenty of evidence behind the techniques. They are empirically developed and tested. The epidemiological effectiveness studies are lacking for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the lack of research focus at DO schools. I have also seen it help many people including myself where other treatments have not.
Dogma is taught without doubt. Commonly accepted Practice standards are taught like that as well. I would say other stuff is taught with a healthy dose of skepticism and acceptance of the limitations of the technique and efficacy. This last part is completely lacking in conversation about OMM. That is a major turn-off. Just because you got well does not mean that the treatment caused it. Chiropracters, homeopaths, and other folks that lack evidence tend to talk in dogmatic matter of fact way in disseminating their information, without that skepticism and doubt. This makes it unpalatable.To me that's how all science is taught. As if there aren't any doubts. However, paradigm shifting research is becoming more and more common in basically all fields.
Dogma is taught without doubt. Commonly accepted Practice standards are taught like that as well. I would say other stuff is taught with a healthy dose of skepticism and acceptance of the limitations of the technique and efficacy. This last part is completely lacking in conversation about OMM. That is a major turn-off. Just because you got well does not mean that the treatment caused it. Chiropracters, homeopaths, and other folks that lack evidence tend to talk in dogmatic matter of fact way in disseminating their information, without that skepticism and doubt. This makes it unpalatable.
Lack of evidence for support of practice is not a reason to give it the benefit of the doubt. It should go through the same rigirous standards of the scientific method, and if the evidence doesnt exisit that is even more reason to be skeptical of it prior to spending 100's of hours on it.
I suppose give me a fool proof indication and maybe I can talk in more intelligent terms .That is very interesting. I have quite a different experience and have seen OMM spoken about with a lot of skepticism. I also shadowed at Touro's OMM clinic and saw the preceptor teach OMM first hand and didn't perceive this.
For me and the approximately hundred people I have seen treated the relief is usually temporary (weeks) and get better when treated periodically. Tha would be one hell of a placebo on a random sample of ~100 people (I shadowed OMM for a year). I don't take personal experience to have any scientific merit I just know for a fact in my mind that it eases the pain for a while better than anything else I've tried.
The techniques have been through the rigors of the Scientific method. Muscle energy is essentially isometrics and that has tons of literature supporting it. There is plenty of literature out there. I suppose some people try to claim it can be used for ailments that it can't but I think if you stick to the basics you can definitely adjust people with poor posture.
I am sorry if this has been asked previously, but I don't feel it is very obvious from their website:
"Basic Sciences curriculum offers the integrated systems courses in the preclinical curriculum where subject disciplines of cell biology, physiology, biochemistry, neuroscience, anatomy, microbiology, pharmacology, immunology and pathology are brought together seamlessly using theoretical and practical teaching methods that foster effective learning."
Doe they have a systems / organ based curriculum or not? I think this means they do...
EDIT: Never mind, found it. They do. Their website is hard to follow.
Accepted and put down the deposit! Very excited to have an acceptance so early
Did u interview on the 19th? If so, how do u put the deposit down?
Have you received an acceptance letter in the mail yet?
Did u interview on the 19th? If so, how do u put the deposit down?
You got the complete email today and an interview today?II this morning! LizzyM ~70. Got the "complete" email on 10/27/
Hii, when were you complete?II yesterday, signed up for December 12!
I got my complete email September 28thHii, when were you complete?
Sorry, I got the complete email on 10/10. I totally mixed up my datesYou got the complete email today and an interview today?
1st year here--we start as subject based and switch very quickly to systems by the end of the 1st semester
Hi! I've never posted on SDN but figured I would add to this thread since there aren't too many contributors in case there are more lurkers like me who want to hear more updates!
Just got an II this morning, scheduled for Dec. 5 though there was an opening Nov. 7.
GPA 3.67 MCAT 510 OOS. Complete 9/22.
Also - anyone know of any hotels in the area with a free shuttle to campus? Or any travel/lodging advice in general?
Thanks!
Could a current
Another question if you don't mind. I struggle to see on the website what kind of opportunities are available at the school, such as research or community involvement through a student run clinic. What does the school offer?
Thank you!
In fact you probably have no business applying to DO programs at all. I get that a lot of people apply DO as a "backup" to MD, which is fine, but you shouldn't get to take the spot of someone who is genuinely interested in the practice of osteopathic medicine.
I'm glad you define yourself and all of osteopathic medicine exclusively by OMM - but there are lots of us who don't. I also didn't know we had to prescribe to and unconditionally accept every single aspect of medicine, and aren't free to question the validity of a small portion of our training, using available research and studies to come to our own conclusions.
Your post is outright ridiculous, talking about "taking the spot of someone genuinely interested"....isn't the practice of osteopathic medicine about the 4 tenets - and I don't see the word OMM anywhere in there. We are perfectly capable of understanding and believing in the core principals without having to unquestioningly believe in OMM.
Can you please tell me where is says we are required to use it in our practice as we move beyond school and into our career as well? Because surely I'll want to inform the wonderful DO physicians that I've worked with who don't use it in their practice that they shouldn't have gotten a spot in school.
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Here is the thing. I know plenty of do's who have not used omm since graduating. Most of them could care less about it. I particularly don't care much about it. I have an open mind and I care about evidence. I have an acceptance at this school. If it was the only school I had an acceptance at I would attend. Do what is necessary to complete omm requirements and move on with my life. If new evidence surfaced indicating omm was beneficial I would happily use it in my practice. That being said, not taking everything at face value is not a terrible attribute to have as a physician. No one deserves a seat in med school , you earn it. And I earned mine, I am also free to believe whatever it is I want to. The school obviously wasn't good at determining my attitude about omm. I am sure there are plenty of others out there in your school like me as well.That is completely missing the point.... the point is that if you are going to attend an osteopathic school (especially this one) and you already intend on having a bad attitude about OMM, then you don't want to be at an osteopathic school. It is, at least at TUCOM, a pretty big part of the curriculum and you're going to have to at minimum have an open mind about it. You don't have to use it in the future and you don't even have to love it but if you are going to show up to a DO school having already drawn the solid conclusion that you think it's pointless/ invalid/ harmful, then you shouldn't go to a DO school, mostly for your own sanity.
Plus knowing the admissions process and the admissions board at this school I know that they take it pretty seriously and having a negative attitude towards osteopathic medicine and OMT isn't going to get you anywhere.
This is probably the last DO school in the country to go to if you hate OMT. Touro NY places significantly less emphasis on it than does CA. I think it is important that people know this before they decide to come here because it will be a big part of your life.
Here is the thing. I know plenty of do's who have not used omm since graduating. Most of them could care less about it. I particularly don't care much about it. I have an open mind and I care about evidence. I have an acceptance at this school. If it was the only school I had an acceptance at I would attend. Do what is necessary to complete omm requirements and move on with my life. If new evidence surfaced indicating omm was beneficial I would happily use it in my practice. That being said, not taking everything at face value is not a terrible attribute to have as a physician. No one deserves a seat in med school , you earn it. And I earned mine, I am also free to believe whatever it is I want to. The school obviously wasn't good at determining my attitude about omm. I am sure there are plenty of others out there in your school like me as well.
Me too! 3.7, 33, IS. They move FAST.Accepted!!! GPA 3.6, MCAT 511, IS
Also accepted today! 3.6, 514, IS. Now to decide whether I want to go here or AZCOM. Anyone have any insight that can help with my decision?Accepted!!! GPA 3.6, MCAT 511, IS
Also accepted today! 3.6, 514, IS. Now to decide whether I want to go here or AZCOM. Anyone have any insight that can help with my decision?
Mind sharing your complete date?II last week. Signed up for December 6!
I was complete August 24Mind sharing your complete date?