Weill Cornell vs. NYU

[NeuroStudent123]

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Does anyone have any thoughts on these two schools, comparatively?

Student Life, Atmosphere, Education/Curriculum, etc...?

vs other NYC schools?

 

[appleman123]

Does anyone have any thoughts on these two schools, comparatively?

Student Life, Atmosphere, Education/Curriculum, etc...?

vs other NYC schools?

Cornell. better bang for $$.

 

[red doctober]

NYU has the new C21 curriculum which has the preclinical coursework shortened to 1.5 years and core clerkships starting immediately after. Students don't take Step 1 until the mid-3rd year.

Cornell is more traditional with 2 years of preclinical followed by Step1.

The schools are only like 40 blocks away from each other, but NYU is in Gramercy (younger population, better nightlife) whereas Cornell is in the Upper East Side (older population and families). They're both a few long blocks from the nearest subway (~10 min walk), but NYU is more accessible to the rest of Manhattan.

Just a little bit about the other Manhattan schools

Columbia- Curriculum laid out like NYU's, Washington Heights (W. 168th St.)

Mt. Sinai- Traditional curriculum, students can do exams from home, Upper East Side/Spanish Harlem (E. 98th St.)

They're all really good schools and tough to get into.

 

[Lenoch]

NYU som is not in gramercy, though gramercy is a walk away. It's in an area called Kips Bay. Zip code puts it in Murray Hill. The immediate area of nyu som is not young and hip. Rather it has a slight "hood" feel. The area has a couple of housing projects. The immediate area is diverse with a large minority group. The immediate area does not have much going on with restaurants/social/things to do. But branching out opens options. Nyu is close to lots of main attractions in nyc

Weill's location on the wealthier UES gives it a safer/cleaner feel. Lot of families as reddoc suggests. More restaurants and things to choose from in the immediate area than nyu. Closer to central attractions than Columbia, but not as close to central attractions as nyu. Weill probably has the least diverse patient population of the four schools, but don't quote me.

Columbia. Very far uptown as reddoc suggests. Little to do in the area. Very "hood" like feeling. Not the Manhattan most people have an image of. Homeless shelter right on campus. Has a heavy minority-based population. Subway ride away from things to do in main Manhattan. If you like dining, this place has very few options.

Mt Sinai. Don't know much.

 

[DrSolus]

Anyone who knows NYC knows that the location of any of the NYC schools really does not matter (with the exception of Einstein, which does not have great access to the subway like the rest do). Almost every part of the city is easy to get to with the amazing transit system the city has. NYU I'd say is a bit more centrally located than Columbia, Sinai, and Cornell. Columbia is the only one that I would say is in a rougher neighborhood and a bit more removed from the "happening" parts of the city (but who cares? You go to Columbia, get a great education, and ride the train to where you need to go, when you need to go. Easy, nuff said).

Sinai has direct access to Central Park, which is a very big plus for those who love big open green spaces and a bit of nature to escape to.

The hip part that red doc is referring to is the NYU undergrad campus in the lower east side. NYU's medical campus is in no way "hood" like, it's in Murray Hill/Kips bay - a pretty expensive upper middle class neighborhood (I would know, I grew up there).

In summary: Base your decision on the school itself, not the neighborhood. everything in NYC is easy to get to.

In terms of NYU v Cornell school-wise, all I can offer is that NYU has that great affiliation with HHC, the city's public hospital system. Amazing opportunities to work with underserved and diverse populations at those clinical sites, unmatched by any affiliation the other schools have with hospitals that serve immigrant/underinsured/uninsured populations.

Hope this helps.

 

[BigBear123]

I know NYC is a really intense city for work life. Do the aforementioned med schools have a more chill atmosphere?

 

[e8ter]

cornell, no brainer, has great program and high prestige

 

[dwills]

NYU. I would personally love to go to either school though. I really like the 1.5/2.5 curriculum.

 

[Lenoch]

I was raised in Manhattan. Right now, I work at NYU som. So I know the immediate area quite well. It definitiey has a comparatively street feel.

 

[Sophocles]

NYU has the new C21 curriculum which has the preclinical coursework shortened to 1.5 years and core clerkships starting immediately after. Students don't take Step 1 until the mid-3rd year.

Cornell is more traditional with 2 years of preclinical followed by Step1.

The schools are only like 40 blocks away from each other, but NYU is in Gramercy (younger population, better nightlife) whereas Cornell is in the Upper East Side (older population and families). They're both a few long blocks from the nearest subway (~10 min walk), but NYU is more accessible to the rest of Manhattan.

Just a little bit about the other Manhattan schools

Columbia- Curriculum laid out like NYU's, Washington Heights (W. 168th St.)

Mt. Sinai- Traditional curriculum, students can do exams from home, Upper East Side/Spanish Harlem (E. 98th St.)

They're all really good schools and tough to get into.

The 1.5 I believe is only for the 3-yr MD option. And it is most def. not the same as Columbia's program. All of the schools in Manhattan are completely different and there really isn't any traditional programs; unless you mean 2-2 format (which isn't really what I would consider traditional). Cornell has completely different ways of testing, and has a myriad of opportunities with the other surrounding organizations that NYU does not have.

For me it would be a no brainer. Cornell has far more resources and opportunities.

 

[DrSolus]

I was raised in Manhattan. Right now, I work at NYU som. So I know the immediate area quite well. It definitiey has a comparatively street feel.

Raised in Manhattan? Like on Park Ave or the Upper East Side or something? In that case, you're probably right. True NYU SOM's area used to be grittier (years and years ago) and the neighborhood up until recently was in fact, a lower middle class neighborhood (while I was growing up there). Stuy town used to be to a middle class housing project, so was nearby Waterside Plaza. Now they're both luxury apartment complexes and all the middle income people are being gentrified out. Right across the street is Phipps Plaza - which is still an affordable public housing project. This is probably the "street" feel you're referring to. There's also a major homeless intake shelter on 30th street, immediately next to the hospital.

Doesn't make it a bad neighborhood. It makes it real - the real New York.

Sorry, but for the OP: if you want a completely homogeneous and BORING uber rich neighborhood to live in, then yes - go to Cornell. Personally, I find NYU's neighborhood to be much more interesting and authentic.

 

[DrSolus]

I know NYC is a really intense city for work life. Do the aforementioned med schools have a more chill atmosphere?

Sinai has the chillest atmosphere that I know of out of the NYC schools - probably has to do with the take home tests and freedom to choose when to take your tests.

Also, everywhere I go, I hear their reputation for being major partying is unrivaled. (Not my thing, but it shows the students have plenty of balance imo).

 

[Shockwave456]

The 1.5 I believe is only for the 3-yr MD option. And it is most def. not the same as Columbia's program. All of the schools in Manhattan are completely different and there really isn't any traditional programs; unless you mean 2-2 format (which isn't really what I would consider traditional). Cornell has completely different ways of testing, and has a myriad of opportunities with the other surrounding organizations that NYU does not have.

For me it would be a no brainer. Cornell has far more resources and opportunities.

The 1.5 is actually for the 4 yr program too:

http://school.med.nyu.edu/studentsfaculty/office-medical-education/curriculum/curriculum-stages

 

[red doctober]

The 1.5 I believe is only for the 3-yr MD option. And it is most def. not the same as Columbia's program. All of the schools in Manhattan are completely different and there really isn't any traditional programs; unless you mean 2-2 format (which isn't really what I would consider traditional). Cornell has completely different ways of testing, and has a myriad of opportunities with the other surrounding organizations that NYU does not have.

For me it would be a no brainer. Cornell has far more resources and opportunities.

http://ps.columbia.edu/education/academics/medical-school-curriculum

 

[penguinism]

I liked NYU better when I interviewed. The students at Cornell seemed pretty uptight and lackluster. Maybe they just had an exam, though. One of my NYU tour guides was also pretty hot. 😎

You can't really go wrong with either of the two schools. Wait for fin aid and pick the cheaper one. They both have good resources to get you to where you want to go next.

 

[Sophocles]

http://ps.columbia.edu/education/academics/medical-school-curriculum

I was referring to the rest of the program of Columbia. To say that it's like Columbia because it's 1.5 yr preclinical I thought was too much. Probably should have specified. Columbia has a unique program for many reasons but that 1.5 preclinical doesn't make them unique.

I wasn't too sure about the four year program for NYU that's why I said I believed, but thanks for the correction. Either way,

 

[Sophocles]

Sinai has the chillest atmosphere that I know of out of the NYC schools - probably has to do with the take home tests and freedom to choose when to take your tests.

Also, everywhere I go, I hear their reputation for being major partying is unrivaled. (Not my thing, but it shows the students have plenty of balance imo).

I liked NYU better when I interviewed. The students at Cornell seemed pretty uptight and lackluster. Maybe they just had an exam, though. One of my NYU tour guides was also pretty hot. 😎

You can't really go wrong with either of the two schools. Wait for fin aid and pick the cheaper one. They both have good resources to get you to where you want to go next.

When I interviewed at Cornell they stated something about how they give you three chances for final exams. Basically you take the test, go home and try to figure out if you messed anything up, come back the next day and fix anything, and I think you do this one more time. They also do anatomy the second semester to try to ease the students into medical school. They have affiliations with HSS, Rockefeller University, and Sloan-Kettering. HSS's ortho department has also stated that they give preference to Cornell students on many levels. The students seemed extremely chill and pretty down to earth to me. Also, four days a week, it's only from 9-1. Pretty good schedule if you ask me.

 

[Sophocles]

oh, oh. Some guy got shot in the head last night in the Heights. Not looking too good.

 

[yehhhboiii]

I liked NYU better when I interviewed. The students at Cornell seemed pretty uptight and lackluster. Maybe they just had an exam, though. One of my NYU tour guides was also pretty hot. 😎

You can't really go wrong with either of the two schools. Wait for fin aid and pick the cheaper one. They both have good resources to get you to where you want to go next.

Agreed. But Cornell was the only school I saw that had first years sitting around in lecture with their white coats on. I'm not a fan of extensive PBL either.

 

[Sophocles]

Agreed. But Cornell was the only school I saw that had first years sitting around in lecture with their white coats on. I'm not a fan of extensive PBL either.

Yeah, they did say that they enjoyed the PBL and that they might be trying to expand on it. So that might be something to consider too, perhaps.

 

[BigBear123]

Personally I liked NYU better too, and it's probably where I'll end up going. Of course it's hard to say no to Cornell because of its reputation. I felt the students at NYU were more fun (and I totally noticed the attractiveness too lol). I felt the students at Cornell were very nice but definitely nerdier in comparison. I just couldn't see myself there. Also, the social mission of the school seemed kind of lacking in comparison with that of NYU. The NYU kids seemed to have a lot of free time to pursue their interests. I could definitely see myself partying with them - a big plus in my book. 😉

 

[HeartArtist]

Man, I post asking what people think about Saint Louis vs South Carolina and I get like NO responses. What, are my schools just not worthy or something? Or are all of you from NY?

 

[Nymphicus]

Man, I post asking what people think about Saint Louis vs South Carolina and I get like NO responses. What, are my schools just not worthy or something? Or are all of you from NY?

It's probably just that more people are interested in NYC and have applied/researched schools accordingly, and so have more to share.

 

[HeartArtist]

It's probably just that more people are interested in NYC and have applied/researched schools accordingly, and so have more to share.

So basically my schools suck lol. I'll go pout in the corner now...😀

 

[starfar]

To add on info about the 3 yr NYU program.. you have to be set on a speciality to even be considered... When you apply to the 3 yr program, you're applying for your speciality as well and you interview with residency PDs.. I was really interested in the program until I found that out from admissions folks at a med school fair.. Who the hell REALLY knows what they want to do in medicine as a lowly premed?? 😱

This makes it much much different from other "condensed" preclinical programs

 

[NeuroStudent123]

Personally I liked NYU better too, and it's probably where I'll end up going. Of course it's hard to say no to Cornell because of its reputation. I felt the students at NYU were more fun (and I totally noticed the attractiveness too lol). I felt the students at Cornell were very nice but definitely nerdier in comparison. I just couldn't see myself there. Also, the social mission of the school seemed kind of lacking in comparison with that of NYU. The NYU kids seemed to have a lot of free time to pursue their interests. I could definitely see myself partying with them - a big plus in my book. 😉

+1

I got a similar feel - the only thing that made Cornell appealing was the prestige, and I guess that, alone, is not reason enough to attend.

anyone else wanna weigh in?

 

[Barney Stinson]

+1

I got a similar feel - the only thing that made Cornell appealing was the prestige, and I guess that, alone, is not reason enough to attend.

anyone else wanna weigh in?

Sure.

Despite all their issues during Sandy, after interviewing at NYU I really feel like they're on the rise. They have a ton of money coming in for research and new construction, and I think that by the time this entering class is leaving (2017) all of that will be done and NYU will be significantly more highly regarded than it is now. I think the jump from 25 to 21 (or something like that) in the admittedly-useless USWNR rankings is just the beginning.

That said, I'm not sure it was a great fit for me. More of a gut thing than anything else, and I think living in the middle of Manhattan might be a little too much for me in terms of the very nightlife-focused social scene and the like. I can see how that would be very appealing to some (if not most), though, and everyone I spoke to during my interview day seemed extremely happy.

 

[twocats]

I also think that Bellevue, one of NYU's hospitals, is a pretty fantastic resource.

 

[nescio]

One of the students I met on interview day at Cornell was trying to decide between NYU and Cornell last year. She said she ultimately chose Cornell because it had stronger global health programs. She's loving WCMC so far and heading to Haiti (with funding) to do research this summer! If you're interested in global health, Cornell truly does have amazing global connections.

 

[FijiGNR89]

I also think that Bellevue, one of NYU's hospitals, is a pretty fantastic resource.

I work in Bellevue. It's where souls go to die.

 

[penguinism]

+1

I got a similar feel - the only thing that made Cornell appealing was the prestige, and I guess that, alone, is not reason enough to attend.

anyone else wanna weigh in?

There's not a big enough difference in the rankings anymore for it to really matter (as if rankings even matter much in the first place). The only advantage that Cornell has is perhaps the Ivy name, but I wouldn't choose a school on that alone. I'm pretty sure that the "layperson" is also familiar with NYU.

Go to their second looks and see if one appeals to you more! I say go with your gut on this one, because I really don't think you can go wrong with either.

 

[wnm1]

Can't go wrong with either school. Both are amazing. Though you should consider the patient population. Due to location, Cornell might see more of the richer folks, whereas NYU has a more diverse patient population. I was accepted to both schools (I don't plan attending either of them) but from what I remember, NYU has a more laid-back and fun student body, whereas Cornell might have more gunners. Class size is slightly bigger for NYU than Cornell, and NYU has the more attractive student body, in case you were thinking of potential dating prospects. Both schools have amazing resources. If you're interested in cancer, go to Cornell, in derm or plastics, go to NYU.

 

[twocats]

RE: Bellevue: Point taken! I've never worked there, just listened to them talk it up on the interview day...

 

[NeuroStudent123]

I work in Bellevue. It's where souls go to die.

Hmmm....

Soooo you don't like Bellevue?

 

[940]

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[Diamup]

One of the students I met on interview day at Cornell was trying to decide between NYU and Cornell last year. She said she ultimately chose Cornell because it had stronger global health programs. She's loving WCMC so far and heading to Haiti (with funding) to do research this summer! If you're interested in global health, Cornell truly does have amazing global connections.

NYU has amazing International Health Opportunities as well. They have programs in every continent, and many students this year will be traveling to Ghana, Tanzania, Peru, Argentina, Spain, etc to do research (paid by the school).

 

[NeuroStudent123]

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