William Carey (WCU-COM) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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North central, Jackson Parish. I attend LaTech.

If you received their secondary, then most likely you will be given an interview invite. Try to get some DO exposure to help with interview question.

I was willing to drive to Texas or Mississippi for DO shadow opportunity, but was fortunate to shadow one close by after 50 emailing and calling.
 
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If you received their secondary, then most likely you will be given an interview invite. Try to get some DO exposure to help with interview question.

I was willing to drive to Texas or Mississippi for DO shadow opportunity, but was fortunate to shadow one close by after 50 emailing and calling.

I would say, if you get a secondary, they are genuinely interested in you. If they give you an interview invite, the acceptance is yours to lose.

The secondary is to see if you are a fit to the school, if you are a fit for osteopathic medicine, etc. Not necessarily a shoe in for an interview.

Get some DO exposure, get some knowledge about WCUCOM and osteopathic medicine.

Best of luck!! 🙂
 
Planning on giving up my Oct 29 interview, hope someone here can get it.
 
According to last year's thread, no one was notified of an acceptance before November 1.
 
Looks like nobody knows how the Pioneer class did on their Comlex or Step1. Wanted to know if their 2 yrs prep is sufficient enough for the tests. If anybody knows any info about this it would be appreciated so the new applicants would know how well this school is preparing the students.

At this point, most of the 3rd year class has taken COMLEX Step 1 with only a couple of students needing to take the exam. Their overall pass rate is abysmal. I'm copying and pasting the exact email that we received from Richard Calderone, president of the 3rd year class on the status of their COMLEX scores. I truly believe they had every intention of blowing away their boards. Unfortunately for them, the combination of a inefficient curriculum & outrageous class time coupled w/ an admin that failed to listen to their students severely hindered their performance.

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Good evening classmates,

A number of students have communicated to me that they would like
further instruction on scheduling audition rotations with VSAS,
scheduling COMLEX level 2 CE and PE, and preparing to use ERAS. To
address these issues, Dr. Jim Turner will be holding an information
session on campus at a soon to be announced date in November. We are
trying to coordinate with A-OPTIC to use their platform for real-time
chatting during the session. I will also record audio of the session
and post it on our student website for later accessibility. I'll
update you as soon as a date is finalized.

COMLEX update:

As of this afternoon, we have a 71% overall pass rate on COMLEX level
1, with only a couple of students still needing to take the exam for
various reasons. Congratulations to all those who passed on their
first attempt, and best of luck to all those who will be sitting for
the exam in the upcoming months.


Thank you for your time and attention.

Sincerely,
--
Richard C. Calderone
OMS-III WCUCOM
President, Class of 2014
 
email says the interview day can end as late as 4pm. i live around 8 hours away. is a lot of the stuff they do after the actual interview optional? as id like to hit the road as early as i can
 
email says the interview day can end as late as 4pm. i live around 8 hours away. is a lot of the stuff they do after the actual interview optional? as id like to hit the road as early as i can

The actual interview is the last part of the day. It can last until 4pm if you are the last person to go. Tell your other interview comrades that you'd like to go first, so you can hit the road to get back home, and you should be fine! 🙂
 
Hmmm, this is really interesting and very informational. Thank you for sharing. I guess this is something for us to take into consideration if we do receive acceptance...
 
Alright, just to put in a word...

I'm not going to challenge anything another student here as said, because I honestly don't care about your personal opinion of the school. You're entitled to how you feel. I do want to give my view for the applicants here, because you guys deserve both sides of the story when making your decisions. I know reading all of this helped me out when deciding where to accept last year.

I'm a lowly first year, but I do know a couple of things for fact by borrowing knowledge from those ahead of me. The third year class had it really bad here. They were thrown to the wolves, because they were the first class here (ever). There really wasn't a way around that. They were in class significantly more than I am now, and the trail they blazed for us a couple of years ago is vastly different from how it is now (and will be for you guys next year). This is a new school: there's growing pains and changes. These glitches are being worked out, and it'll be alright. Everyone take a big, meditative breath...

The national accreditation team working with WCUCOM told the administration 2 years ago that they expect the pass rate on the COMLEX for the first class to be around 65-75%. This is completely normal for a first class. Is it fair? Not to them. But it's expected. That comes with the acceptance that you're at a brand new school. Next year's class will do better than they did, and we'll do better than the 2nd years this year. It's a process, not something that occurs overnight.

For people applying, don't freak out. Weigh your options and take what everyone has said with a grain of salt (including me!). I'm ridiculously happy here. No matter where you go or even what you're doing, you will ALWAYS find people who aren't happy with where they are. Sometimes they have a good point, sometimes they don't. But remember that you make the experience for yourself. WCU will be fine with accreditation. It'll be a process, but we'll be ok. If you want to absolutely ensure success for yourself, study your butt off and rock out your boards. You'll have huge option for yourself.

I hope this helps someone, and please please don't be shy in reaching out if you're confused. Application cycles are ridiculously stressful- don't get carried away and take everything you hear from anyone as the gospel truth. There's always more to the story than you know.

Annnnnd most of all, GOOD LUCK!! You guys will be fine, WCU will be fine, and we'll all still be on our way to being physicians at the end of the day.
 
Alright, just to put in a word...

I'm not going to challenge anything another student here as said, because I honestly don't care about your personal opinion of the school. You're entitled to how you feel. I do want to give my view for the applicants here, because you guys deserve both sides of the story when making your decisions. I know reading all of this helped me out when deciding where to accept last year.

I'm a lowly first year, but I do know a couple of things for fact by borrowing knowledge from those ahead of me. The third year class had it really bad here. They were thrown to the wolves, because they were the first class here (ever). There really wasn't a way around that. They were in class significantly more than I am now, and the trail they blazed for us a couple of years ago is vastly different from how it is now (and will be for you guys next year). This is a new school: there's growing pains and changes. These glitches are being worked out, and it'll be alright. Everyone take a big, meditative breath...

The national accreditation team working with WCUCOM told the administration 2 years ago that they expect the pass rate on the COMLEX for the first class to be around 65-75%. This is completely normal for a first class. Is it fair? Not to them. But it's expected. That comes with the acceptance that you're at a brand new school. Next year's class will do better than they did, and we'll do better than the 2nd years this year. It's a process, not something that occurs overnight.

For people applying, don't freak out. Weigh your options and take what everyone has said with a grain of salt (including me!). I'm ridiculously happy here. No matter where you go or even what you're doing, you will ALWAYS find people who aren't happy with where they are. Sometimes they have a good point, sometimes they don't. But remember that you make the experience for yourself. WCU will be fine with accreditation. It'll be a process, but we'll be ok. If you want to absolutely ensure success for yourself, study your butt off and rock out your boards. You'll have huge option for yourself.

I hope this helps someone, and please please don't be shy in reaching out if you're confused. Application cycles are ridiculously stressful- don't get carried away and take everything you hear from anyone as the gospel truth. There's always more to the story than you know.

Annnnnd most of all, GOOD LUCK!! You guys will be fine, WCU will be fine, and we'll all still be on our way to being physicians at the end of the day.
I have to say that I agree. Although I am not in medical school (YET!), I think that if you study hard enough, you can make it, despite possibly having some problems with the system.

I'm just hoping they'll give me a chance 🙂
 
I think it would be only fair if prospective students were given more information to compare WCUCOM with other new school pass rates. 71% is at least 15 percentage points below the national AVERAGE. What is the average score of the 1st class? Barely passing the comlex is not going to put you in the competitive stack for your 1st choice residency. If anyone has further evidence to back up this claim of a "common" new school low pass rate, please post this info here and back up your claims. THESE APPLICANTS DESERVE TRANSPARENCY. Also, even if a low 1st pass rate is common, do you expect it to change if the actions of the administration don't evolve as well? From what I have personally experienced here, the administration DOES NOT ACT IN THE STUDENTS BEST INTEREST FOR HIGHER BOARD SCORES....More later. Anyone can PM me for more details.
 
I think it would be only fair if prospective students were given more information to compare WCUCOM with other new school pass rates. 71% is at least 15 percentage points below the national AVERAGE. What is the average score of the 1st class? Barely passing the comlex is not going to put you in the competitive stack for your 1st choice residency. If anyone has further evidence to back up this claim of a "common" new school low pass rate, please post this info here and back up your claims. THESE APPLICANTS DESERVE TRANSPARENCY. Also, even if a low 1st pass rate is common, do you expect it to change if the actions of the administration don't evolve as well? From what I have personally experienced here, the administration DOES NOT ACT IN THE STUDENTS BEST INTEREST FOR HIGHER BOARD SCORES....More later. Anyone can PM me for more details.

Don't you guys have rotations to be on, rather than still be griping on SDN?

If you have concerns about COMLEX, etc. you may be better at asking a faculty member (i.e. Dr. Jim Turner) or a current OMS II.

From a current OMS II perspective, are there still negatives? Yes. However, from meeting with students from other schools during various National Conferences, etc. , they also have frustrations, some the same and some different than ours. So, you're going to find complains everywhere. As for board study, we have not gotten our Boards Boot Camp material yet, but we ARE doing a lot of board review type questions in OP&P every week, plus they told us they are going to start adding even more board review type questions in our small group discussions we have every week. They gave our class a lot more "white space" (time out of class) to be able to study for classes and boards. And, as one of our professors here (who is a DO) says: "you are studying for boards. Every day you come here. Treat it like that."...and I agree, even though I don't always act on that (because who's perfect? and who can spend that much time studying that intensely during class?).

Hope this was helpful to all prospective students.

Oh, and a FAQ's page will be added to the WCUCOM website in early November. I will (or someone will) post the link to that once it is done.
 
With such abysmal passing rates, you're better off going to the Caribbean med schools: SGU or Ross
 
With such abysmal passing rates, you're better off going to the Caribbean med schools: SGU or Ross

You're better off not criticizing a school you do not attend, and especially as a pre-med (that is what you are listed as here), as you do not have first hand knowledge of the situation in which the board scores were achieved.

As someone posted earlier, we were informed that the first class ever pass rate is normal to be very low. Wait to see what this coming year pass rate is. Also, please contact a faculty member or current OMS II preparing for boards to get more information.
 
You're better off not criticizing a school you do not attend, and especially as a pre-med (that is what you are listed as here), as you do not have first hand knowledge of the situation in which the board scores were achieved.

As someone posted earlier, we were informed that the first class ever pass rate is normal to be very low. Wait to see what this coming year pass rate is. Also, please contact a faculty member or current OMS II preparing for boards to get more information.
All I'm saying is that stats speak for themselves, and for the people who are concerned about the pass rate, the Caribbean MD schools indeed have much higher rates...no denying that
 
All I'm saying is that stats speak for themselves, and for the people who are concerned about the pass rate, the Caribbean MD schools indeed have much higher rates...no denying that

....they've been around longer than 2 years...and have had more than just one class with extreme circumstances having taken boards...

Do some more research. On something other than SDN.
 
All I'm saying is that stats speak for themselves, and for the people who are concerned about the pass rate, the Caribbean MD schools indeed have much higher rates...no denying that

What good is a higher pass rate when you'll be squeezed for quality rotations and matching for residency? Neither of those problems exist at WCU-COM.
 
I know a guy that would be a second year at WCUCOM, but he dropped out (due to the curriculum) 1st semester and was accepted at a Puerto Rico medical school. He is so much happier even though some of the lectures are in spanish. NO ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS and MORE TIME TO STUDY. Dr. Sooner stop telling us 3rd years what we should and should not be doing. It is very condescending. It should be also revealed that this Dr. Sooner is a member of the welcoming committee whose job it is too paint WCUCOM as the best school in the country. Her success in doing this is what will "get her in good" with the faculty. Please be careful with these people. FACTS have been STATED. TAKE THEM OR LEAVE THEM its your choice.

Doctordreamz don't be bullied, your line of thinking is not as flawed as others here would like to believe, and please do other research besides SDN.
 
Believe it or not, the curriculum is changing every year, for the better. The faculty and administration have worked to open up our schedule more, so we are not in class as much as you were in your first year. Schools have to grow and learn, and that's exactly what WCU COM is doing. The attendance policy is mandated by William Carey University, so the administration of the COM have no say in that. I absolutely love the school and wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I guess everyone has their differences and own opinions, and there will always be people that love and hate the same things. I do think these new students should get to decide for themselves, though. Come and tour the school and talk to the students. If you have any questions or concerns about the NEW curriculum, ask one of us in the first year class, because we will know better about how your first year will look than the third or even second years. Also, it's not my job (or Dr. Sooner's) to "paint WCU COM as the best school in the country", because it's not... I think we all know that. Every school will have its pros and cons. My advice to these new students is to come and see it, weigh the pros and cons, and make a choice based on YOUR preference rather than a bitter student's bad experience.

Again, I LOVE WCU COM and woudn't have it any other way. It is a growing school and we are continuing to try to shape it into an amazing school with a great reputation. My WORST experience with the school would now be that it has some students like ^^ that has no school or self pride and would lower themselves to write on a feed for prospective students.
 
All I'm saying is that stats speak for themselves, and for the people who are concerned about the pass rate, the Caribbean MD schools indeed have much higher rates...no denying that

Please don't post if you have no idea what you're talking about. Ross has around 40-50% attrition rate if I recall. So only half the class gets to EVEN TAKE THE BOARDS. Sure they might have a 90% pass rate but that's because of the students not the school..the school completely weeds out average-below average students before they even get a chance to take the boards so they're only left with the brightest their class has to offer. So keeping that in mind, if you go to ross you have around a 50% chance of being able to even take the boards. Then around a 90% chance to pass them versus around 94% (figuring around 6% attrition) chance to take the boards and a 75% chance to pass them. So doctordreamz, tell me what the better school is again?
 
Can anyone comment more on the curriculum and the mandatory attendance? I will be there in more than a week.

The curriculum is pretty standard stuff. You'll be taking in your 1st semester of 1st yr, Embryo/Genetics, Anatomy, Histology, OP&P I, & Clinical Science I. I think they merge Doctoring skills and ICCBM with clinical science now, but I'm not 100% sure. During 2nd semester of 1st yr, you take Neuroanatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Immunology, OP&P II, & Clinical Science II. In the fall of 2nd yr, you'll be taking General Pathology, Systemic Pathology I, Pharmacology I, Microbiology, OP&P III, & Clinical Science I. And in the spring of 2nd yr, you'll be taking Systemic Pathology II, Pharmacology II, Neuroscience, OP&P IV, Clinical Science II.

We have an 80% attendance policy for most classes. A sign in roll sheet is pass in every class to monitor attendance, but inconsistently in some classes. Enforcement of the attendance policy is largely relegated to the faculty, and you just have to learn who actually cares about attendance. OP&P (our OMM class) has 100% required attendance, and the OP&P profs love to remind/threaten us every week of the consequences of being absent. We have 4 hours of OP&P every week (1 lecture hr & 3 lab hrs). For every hr we're absent from OP&P (lecture or lab) a point is deducted from our final grade. If we're absent >10 hours, we automatically fail the course. Also, Dr. Jones (OP&P chair) will call you out and try to embarrass you in front of class if you try to study other material in his class. He also forbids students from having their laptops open and forbids everyone from looking at other material during his lectures, to prevent anybody from actually getting any studying done. Recently, the school brought clickers for us to use during lectures. Some of the faculty have decided to use these clickers to monitor our attendance, and a few have even threatened to take away our attendance for the class if we fail to bring clickers to class even if you signed the roll. Clinical science is another course where attendance affects your grade. The # of hours in clinical science (lecture & lab) triples when you get to 2nd year, which will make the class much more frustrating. The biochem profs in 1st yr also enforces the 80% attendance policy, and they will actually post the # of absences you have in the class throughout the semester. Certain professors like Dr. Myers in Systemic Path, has also threatened us that she does enforce the attendance policy. She will also call you out in front of class to publicly humiliate you if you use headphones or have earplugs in during lecture. She sent the class an email stating if we were caught w/ earplugs in during class the first offense will result in forfeiture of attendance for that day. If there is a second offense, the student will be dismissed from class for the day and if there is a third offense the student will be removed permanently from the class. I just love it when professors force grown adults to attend their class, waste 1/2 of our day, and forbid us to use that time in lecture to actually get any productive studying done. I love William Karey.
 
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If there are 100 students in the 3rd year class, then that means only 71 passed the first time while 29 students have to retake. It may have been mentioned before but what prep materials were used and is there any dedicated studying time to prep for the boards?

Does the OMS1 and OMS2 feel that the curriculum changes will help the first time pass rate increase? For OMS3 students, is it the curriculum, paticular subject(s), own testing weaknesses, or combination?
 
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71% does seem pretty low for passing rate, but it may be normal. Does anyone have valid statistics that this is average. I am considering WCUCOM, and I want know about the quality of the program. Also, can anyone else vouch for the attendance policy issues discussed above. Do they really threaten attendance loss for the day if you are using ear phones to study. Thanks for any info in advance
 
Tbh this is why I think new schools have 70% pass rates: because they take some students that have no business being in med school yet; they give them a shot. As time goes by the stats for the school gets higher. so naturally the pass rate increases. Also it brings into question what materials were used and how much time
 
71% does seem pretty low for passing rate, but it may be normal. Does anyone have valid statistics that this is average. I am considering WCUCOM, and I want know about the quality of the program. Also, can anyone else vouch for the attendance policy issues discussed above. Do they really threaten attendance loss for the day if you are using ear phones to study. Thanks for any info in advance

The "threat" is only by one professor...and it's her idea to use this tactic as a way to prepare us for rotations/residency/etc. It's only one class, 2 times a week. You deal with it. By humor. By ice cream. By crying. But it's med school. Everything will make you want to scream and cry a few times.

Our attendance policy is a lot, but it's not as bad as other schools.(VCOM has it a lot more strenuous than we do with attendance policy). Some professors don't care that much about attendance, and some do. You learn to study during class, pay attention during class, sleep, etc.

Again, you can't base WCUCOM board pass rate with only 1 class, being the first class ever from WCUCOM to take boards, as your deciding factor. Call the school and ask about your concerns. I personally feel, as an OMS II, that we have a better chance at doing well on boards than last year's group.
 
71% seem normal to me since the first class MCAT average is 24. What I do not understand is why a high school atmosphere in a Medical school setting.
 
71% seem normal to me since the first class MCAT average is 24. What I do not understand is why a high school atmosphere in a Medical school setting.

eh a lot of schools want stricter rules, it seems harsh and it kind of is but eyes are on them. Like Alabama for example is determined to make a name for itself so when a guest speaker comes attendance is mandatory. At first I didn't like this but then I realized something. Those people are residency directors and other influentials. it looks prettty bad if they take time out of their schedule to share some important information that may help us and only 5-6 people show up. Once we apply for residency they may think to themselves "ACOM students didn't bother to show up to hear what I had to say, so why should I care what they have to say?"
 
71% seem normal to me since the first class MCAT average is 24. What I do not understand is why a high school atmosphere in a Medical school setting.

From the First Aid web site:

Personally, I take the sum of the preceding observations to mean that your MCAT score neither dooms you to a low Step 1 score, nor guarantees you a 260. However, since that is simply my interpretation, let’s take a look at the more objective data that is out there. When I first investigated this question, I arrived (via Google) at the USMLE Step 1 Score Estimator provided by MedFriends.org. This site relies on self-reported scores of users who have used the Kaplan Q-bank, taken the free practice test provided by the USMLE, taken an NBME self-assessment, or taken the MCAT and subsequently taken Step 1. Based on intermittent linear regression analysis of the accumulated data, the site provides Step 1 predictions to new users based on the scores they enter into the calculator. Of the measures this site uses, they report the MCAT score as having the least predictive value. This is evidenced by their reported 70% prediction interval (that’s 1 SD of the mean, if you were interested) of ±17 points. For point of comparison, the errors of the other predictors are in the range of 11-13. As an example, if you scored a 30 on the MCAT, this site predicts that you will likely (at 70% confidence) score between a 216 and a 250 on Step 1 (mean = 233). That is an awfully broad range.
 
Submitting my secondary today! How long did it take to hear back for an interview?
 
From the First Aid web site:

Personally, I take the sum of the preceding observations to mean that your MCAT score neither dooms you to a low Step 1 score, nor guarantees you a 260. However, since that is simply my interpretation, let's take a look at the more objective data that is out there. When I first investigated this question, I arrived (via Google) at the USMLE Step 1 Score Estimator provided by MedFriends.org. This site relies on self-reported scores of users who have used the Kaplan Q-bank, taken the free practice test provided by the USMLE, taken an NBME self-assessment, or taken the MCAT and subsequently taken Step 1. Based on intermittent linear regression analysis of the accumulated data, the site provides Step 1 predictions to new users based on the scores they enter into the calculator. Of the measures this site uses, they report the MCAT score as having the least predictive value. This is evidenced by their reported 70% prediction interval (that's 1 SD of the mean, if you were interested) of ±17 points. For point of comparison, the errors of the other predictors are in the range of 11-13. As an example, if you scored a 30 on the MCAT, this site predicts that you will likely (at 70% confidence) score between a 216 and a 250 on Step 1 (mean = 233). That is an awfully broad range.

From my understanding, most allopathic medical student score over 25 on their MCAT, which should not be use in this situation. The average first class of WCU is 24, which around half of the class score 24 and below. It is a good indication that they are not good at taking a standardizing test, but does not mean that do not have the knowledge for it.
 
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From my understanding, most allopathic medical student score over 25 on their MCAT, which should not be use in this situation. The average first class of WCU is 24, which half of the class is below 24. It is a good indication that they are not good at taking a standardizing test, but does not mean that do not have the knowledge for it.
Average does not = median....
 
yeah.. I am sorry too.. that I said something.. I should continue with my lurker mode.🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
 
honestly new schools take gambles on people with 22-23 MCAT scores but have great ECs. if you studied your butt off and earned that score then there is a strong chance youll have trouble with boards. beyond that i dont think mcat has much of a correlation for board scores.
 
Congrats!

Thank you. I could not stop smiling, when I got the email. I am an older student that did a LOT of playing in my younger years, and dropped out of school. I decided to return to school at 27 with two young children (and a husband). It has been quite a journey. I have worked SO hard to get to this point, as I know everyone does. Now, I just need to brush up on my interview skills.... and hope for the best.
 
Thank you. I could not stop smiling, when I got the email. I am an older student that did a LOT of playing in my younger years, and dropped out of school. I decided to return to school at 27 with two young children (and a husband). It has been quite a journey. I have worked SO hard to get to this point, as I know everyone does. Now, I just need to brush up on my interview skills.... and hope for the best.


Good for you! Dr. Weir told us on the day of our interview that they had two students who are 51 years old. The interview wasn't really stressful. I expected them to bring up some of my low grades or my multiple MCAT attempts but they didn't, surprisingly. None of the interviewers was out to get me. Just curious to know more about me. Good luck! Don't forget to use the interview feedback under reference materials.
 
Good for you! Dr. Weir told us on the day of our interview that they had two students who are 51 years old. The interview wasn't really stressful. I expected them to bring up some of my low grades or my multiple MCAT attempts but they didn't, surprisingly. None of the interviewers was out to get me. Just curious to know more about me. Good luck! Don't forget to use the interview feedback under reference materials.







To OldBusDriverDO: If you got an interview, then you have passed the BIGGEST cut, Now focus on why DO and why WCU-COM. This is from one of the 50+ medical students

To aufan: I hope that we as WCU-COM students, were able to answer your questions and make you feel welcomed

GOOD LUCK TO BOTH OF YOU !!!!!!
 
Thank you. I could not stop smiling, when I got the email. I am an older student that did a LOT of playing in my younger years, and dropped out of school. I decided to return to school at 27 with two young children (and a husband). It has been quite a journey. I have worked SO hard to get to this point, as I know everyone does. Now, I just need to brush up on my interview skills.... and hope for the best.

Congrat OldBusDriverDO... If it make you feel better. I am an older applicant too.. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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