2008-2009 University of Pittsburgh Secondary Application Thread

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hey guys i also got waitlisted, i'm so sad 🙁 but i am going to fight my way off of this waitlist, i really loved this school! i hope we all make it in!!!! 🙂

just out of curiosity for those of you waitlisted--what are you guys going to do until May? letters of interest ? how often?

also, someone said that they may look at the waitlist in march, can someone confirm if this is true or not? thanks and best of luck guys!
 
Hmmm people past my interview date are hearing back but my status hasn't changed yet. Grrrr....
 
Hmmm people past my interview date are hearing back but my status hasn't changed yet. Grrrr....
i think i would be more happy than concerned about this. 95% of the people who are posting on here are waitlisted. you haven't heard back with them- maybe good news? just guessing
 
hey guys i also got waitlisted, i'm so sad 🙁 but i am going to fight my way off of this waitlist, i really loved this school! i hope we all make it in!!!! 🙂

just out of curiosity for those of you waitlisted--what are you guys going to do until May? letters of interest ? how often?

also, someone said that they may look at the waitlist in march, can someone confirm if this is true or not? thanks and best of luck guys!

I talked to them on the phone the other week and they said March would begin movement. However, I was in Pitt yesterday and they said May. So basically who knows. Good luck
 
the SDs can vary but I'd say typically 1 SD is between 6 and 8%. Failing is honestly super low. Our averages are typically mid 70s to mid 80s and so you would likely have to be close to 50% to fail. For a given exam, only a few people get that low. And if everyone does pretty well, they won't fail you if you have the lowest score in the class (like if you score a 72 or something--even though you're the lowest, you still did pretty well).

Some more info since the grading method has been of interest...we are graded in blocks. For example, during second year, we started with the Organ Systems Pathophysiology 2 block, which included Intro to Path, Cardio, Renal, and Pulm. On your transcript, you will only see one grade for that whole block--H/P/F. So technically, you can fail one of the classes and still pass the block. However, if you fail a class, you cannot get honors in the block even if your final average qualifies you.

Hi Erina

I am wondering how many blocks there are. For example, the curriculum overview includes 6 or 7 integrated courses during year 2. Is each a block? Only one (the intro to path, cardio, renal and pulm one) has several topics within it, so it's a bit unclear to me. Thus, I am wondering if, in the first year, each course (like anatomy) is a block. Thanks!
 
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Hi Erina

I am wondering how many blocks there are. For example, the curriculum overview includes 6 or 7 integrated courses during year 2. Is each a block? Only one (the intro to path, cardio, renal and pulm one) has several topics within it, so it's a bit unclear to me. Thus, I am wondering if, in the first year, each course (like anatomy) is a block. Thanks!

So far, we've completed 11 blocks I think: Basic Science Fundamentals 1-3, Introduction to Patient Care 1 and 2, Scientific Reasoning 1 and 2, Patient Physician and Society 1 and 2, Neuroscience/Psychiatry (Organ Systems Physiology 1), and Organ Systems Physiology 2 (Cardio, Renal, Pulm, and Intro to Path). Right now, we're on Organ Systems Physiology 3, which includes GI, Hematology, Endocrinology, and Repro.

Basically, each block typically consists of 1-4 classes. Anatomy is its own block because it's so long. The rest of first year consists of Basic Science Fundamentals 2 (Cell Bio, Genetics, Fuel Metabolism) and 3 (Immuno and Micro) and then Neuro/Psych.
 
Does anyone think that an application to the CSTP would improve the chances that a waitlisted applicant would have to get into regular MD program (just by showing interest?)

seems like the waitlist is pretty long.....
 
Does anyone think that an application to the CSTP would improve the chances that a waitlisted applicant would have to get into regular MD program (just by showing interest?)

seems like the waitlist is pretty long.....

I believe that they won't even consider the CSTP app if you aren't accepted by their deadline so I don't think anyone is going to care.
 
I believe that they won't even consider the CSTP app if you aren't accepted by their deadline so I don't think anyone is going to care.

Good call. I just hope they start accepting waitlisted applicants sooner than may! I called today to verify the earlier post that they could start in march, and they said "probably."

They wouldnt tell me how many people were on the waitlist. Props to anyone who can figure that out.
 
Take this with a big fat grain of salt as this was not super scientific, but I took inventory of acceptances/rejections on this thread. ~1/4 are accepted, 1/4 rejected, and 1/2 waitlisted. I don't know if people on SDN are representative of all applicants, so take from it what you will...
 
Take this with a big fat grain of salt as this was not super scientific, but I took inventory of acceptances/rejections on this thread. ~1/4 are accepted, 1/4 rejected, and 1/2 waitlisted. I don't know if people on SDN are representative of all applicants, so take from it what you will...

Thanks! good idea! I would imagine that most students who spend time on these forums are somewhat above average, although no way to be certain. also no way to be certain if they are above average for applicants at pitt. Lets hope they are, so that potentially there would be less people on the waitlist overall!
 
Waitlist decision here today. It's been ~12 weeks since my interview. Not too disgruntled actually. I def liked Pitt when I visited but these past few weeks of waiting waiting waiting have turned me off to the school.

Good luck to you all still waiting for a decision :luck:
 
what date are we up to?
 
Waitlist decision here today. It's been ~12 weeks since my interview. Not too disgruntled actually. I def liked Pitt when I visited but these past few weeks of waiting waiting waiting have turned me off to the school.

Good luck to you all still waiting for a decision :luck:


I am in a similar situation to this except I'm going on 12 weeks now and STILL have not heard back. When I visited I really was very impressed with the school and everything, but this long wait is beyond ridiculous. If admissions had even an inkling that they may be backed up at some point, they should not tell their applicants that there will be a 6-8 week maximum wait. If they had told me 12 weeks I would not be so frustrated. It really is becoming a pretty big turn off. With that said, good luck to everyone 🙂
 
Waitlist decision here today. It's been ~12 weeks since my interview. Not too disgruntled actually. I def liked Pitt when I visited but these past few weeks of waiting waiting waiting have turned me off to the school.

Good luck to you all still waiting for a decision :luck:
Sorry about the WL, but looking at your subjective evaluations on mdapps, you have some other amazing options for next Fall. 👍

What day was your interview?
 
Tomorrow is their last day for interviews??? They're not interviewing anyone in February?.....that'd be the shortest interviewing season I've ever heard of....
 
Waitlist decision here today. It's been ~12 weeks since my interview. Not too disgruntled actually. I def liked Pitt when I visited but these past few weeks of waiting waiting waiting have turned me off to the school.

Good luck to you all still waiting for a decision :luck:
I predict that this experiment will backfire on them and next year they will switch back to their regular accept:waitlist ratio. Good news for the class of 2014, I suppose.
 
I predict that this experiment will backfire on them and next year they will switch back to their regular accept:waitlist ratio. Good news for the class of 2014, I suppose.
I think this is very likely
 
accepted today, change on status page...no e-mail, kinda weird ya?
 
Tomorrow is their last day for interviews??? They're not interviewing anyone in February?.....that'd be the shortest interviewing season I've ever heard of....

Yeah...Baylor and NYU are done this month as well
Emory finishes next month
 
They always update the status page first...sometimes a full 12 hrs before your email notification of whatever change in your status.
Yep. I'm waitlisted without an email. It was fun while it lasted.
 
Tomorrow is their last day for interviews??? They're not interviewing anyone in February?.....that'd be the shortest interviewing season I've ever heard of....

It ends early but Pitt also started its season early as well. It was one of the first invites I received.
 
They always update the status page first...sometimes a full 12 hrs before your email notification of whatever change in your status.

I never got an email about being accepted. Just a status change and then a snail mail packet a week or so later.
 
I don't see why everyone gets so angry about getting wait listed or having to wait for your decision. They have been pretty open and were just off in how long they thought it would take. They eventually have to make a decision on you, I'd rather them not rush and do it right. Even though I am WLed, I didn't get rejected, so I'll push to get in there.

I can understand being frustrated waiting almost 2 x as long to hear back, but why would that keep you from liking the school... The admissions office doesn't run the curriculum....
 
I don't see why everyone gets so angry about getting wait listed or having to wait for your decision. They have been pretty open and were just off in how long they thought it would take. They eventually have to make a decision on you, I'd rather them not rush and do it right. Even though I am WLed, I didn't get rejected, so I'll push to get in there.

I can understand being frustrated waiting almost 2 x as long to hear back, but why would that keep you from liking the school... The admissions office doesn't run the curriculum....

Word.
 
I don't see why everyone gets so angry about getting wait listed or having to wait for your decision. They have been pretty open and were just off in how long they thought it would take. They eventually have to make a decision on you, I'd rather them not rush and do it right. Even though I am WLed, I didn't get rejected, so I'll push to get in there.

I can understand being frustrated waiting almost 2 x as long to hear back, but why would that keep you from liking the school... The admissions office doesn't run the curriculum....

I think people are frustrated because they said it would take 8 weeks and it's taking closer to 12 weeks. And as they are waitlisting 50% of interviewees it doesn't seem that they are putting a lot of deep thought into it... It is just a tremendously stressful process for applicants and it would be nice to not feel like you're being jerked around by a school that you really like. I imagine that is why people seem frustrated by the process.
 
I don't see why everyone gets so angry about getting wait listed or having to wait for your decision. They have been pretty open and were just off in how long they thought it would take. They eventually have to make a decision on you, I'd rather them not rush and do it right. Even though I am WLed, I didn't get rejected, so I'll push to get in there.

I can understand being frustrated waiting almost 2 x as long to hear back, but why would that keep you from liking the school... The admissions office doesn't run the curriculum....

I know 100% that admissions doesn't reflect the entire Pitt experience, but it's a part of it (and a big part for all of us this past year). I and many others busted our butts to get their essays in and interview in a timely fashion, but they don't adhere to the same standard? I can't explain completely why the waiting has turned me off the school but it has. You should be happy. Less competition for you.
 
I think people are frustrated because they said it would take 8 weeks and it's taking closer to 12 weeks. And as they are waitlisting 50% of interviewees it doesn't seem that they are putting a lot of deep thought into it... It is just a tremendously stressful process for applicants and it would be nice to not feel like you're being jerked around by a school that you really like. I imagine that is why people seem frustrated by the process.

Considering that Pitt interviews more applicants than most schools (a little over a 1000, I believe), and have a class size of ~150, I really don't think you can say that waitlisting 50% of interviewees means they aren't thinking hard about their applicants. They out-right said they are accepting less people this year (I hear due to over-accepting last year), and will pull more from the waitlist. I'm quite sure they are reviewing every application very carefully. If they weren't paying close attention to detail, shouldn't they be making decisions faster??

Also, they are waitlisting 50% of interviewees on SDN...do you really think that reflects the general applicant pool? Doubtful.
 
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Considering that Pitt interviews more applicants than most schools (a little over a 1000, I believe), and have a class size of ~150, I really don't think you can say that waitlisting 50% of interviewees means they aren't thinking hard about their applicants. They out-right said they are accepting less people this year (I hear do to over-accepting last year), and will pull more from the waitlist. I'm quite sure they are reviewing every application very carefully. If they weren't paying close attention to detail, shouldn't they be making decisions faster??

Also, they are waitlisting 50% of interviewees on SDN...do you really think that reflects the general applicant pool? Doubtful.

Fair enough, I'm just saying that is why it is probably turning people off. With such a large # of waitlisted folks it's disheartening.
 
I thought typically SDN represents the upper echelon of the applicant pool? I mean people have 35+ MCAT scores and 3.9 GPAs like it is nothing around here. I think that is why it is so disheartening to "normal" people like myself. If you guys are getting waitlisted left and right then it seems like they are just accepting the "allstars" and making bigger decisions later, like a non-rolling school.
 
I thought typically SDN represents the upper echelon of the applicant pool? I mean people have 35+ MCAT scores and 3.9 GPAs like it is nothing around here. I think that is why it is so disheartening to "normal" people like myself. If you guys are getting waitlisted left and right then it seems like they are just accepting the "allstars" and making bigger decisions later, like a non-rolling school.

I absolutely agree DRLyss; SDN does have a higher proportion of the "all-stars," but that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds of students with 35+ out there in the general public who didn't also apply to Pitt and get accepted. Also, a 25% acceptance rate is not unheard of, by any means.

I feel for eveyone waiting. I was fortunate enough to interview in the very beginning of their interview season and hear back at 6 weeks (Oct 17), notifying me of acceptance. I really wish they didn't take so long for the rest of you (I know waiting for March for some of my interviews is killing me!). I just don't think we should be overly critical of their admissions process, as they certainly are very thoughtful with each application. Fortunately, it seems they have been picking up the pace. I really do wish the very best for each of you! :luck:
 
Another thing that was inconvenient for this year's applicants was the fact that Thanksgiving, Christmas Day and New Year's Day all fell on a Thursday.

Pitt was disclosing decisions on Thursdays and those three weeks were pretty much weeks with no news for applicants. For what it is worth if I subtract those 3 weeks from my 10 week wait, I had my decision in 7 meeting weeks of theirs.
 
I guarantee you that the admissions committee takes reviewing applicants very seriously and puts a lot of time and effort into their decisions. Please don't think that they aren't thinking hard about you guys because they're waitlisting so many people.

I don't know why it's taking Pitt so long to respond to a lot of you. I'm sure, though, that there's a good reason. Seriously, I know they wouldn't be taking this long if they could have prevented the delay.

I hope many of you will choose to come to Pitt. Once you're here, I think you'll be glad you didn't give up on Pitt because of the lengthy acceptance process 🙂.


***A note on the cheating "scandal" that many of you have talked about: we had a follow-up meeting two days ago. The students filled out a survey about what we think should happen and the administration and faculty spent a lot of time discussing the situation. They've decided to uphold the honor council's policy of not having to name names. There are also going to be some new, minor policy changes put into place to hopefully prevent situations like this from occuring in the future, including making the honor code clearer.
 
I know 100% that admissions doesn't reflect the entire Pitt experience, but it's a part of it (and a big part for all of us this past year). I and many others busted our butts to get their essays in and interview in a timely fashion, but they don't adhere to the same standard? I can't explain completely why the waiting has turned me off the school but it has. You should be happy. Less competition for you.

i agree yo. long waits make me feel like the school could give two sh*ts about me. like, i have spent over 10g's of my HARD EARNED CASH on this f*cking process. like seriously, i busted my ASS to make that money. and then i spent hour after hour crafting my personal statement and secondary essays. stayed up all night getting them ready so i could submit them as early as i could. and then i have to wait 11 weeks for a decision. im sorry but that pisses me off. neway, i was very excited 2 be accepted to pitt. but still, they should do a better job of holding up to their end of the bargain. best of luck guys!
 
I guarantee you that the admissions committee takes reviewing applicants very seriously and puts a lot of time and effort into their decisions. Please don't think that they aren't thinking hard about you guys because they're waitlisting so many people.

I don't know why it's taking Pitt so long to respond to a lot of you. I'm sure, though, that there's a good reason. Seriously, I know they wouldn't be taking this long if they could have prevented the delay.

I hope many of you will choose to come to Pitt. Once you're here, I think you'll be glad you didn't give up on Pitt because of the lengthy acceptance process 🙂.


***A note on the cheating "scandal" that many of you have talked about: we had a follow-up meeting two days ago. The students filled out a survey about what we think should happen and the administration and faculty spent a lot of time discussing the situation. They've decided to uphold the honor council's policy of not having to name names. There are also going to be some new, minor policy changes put into place to hopefully prevent situations like this from occuring in the future, including making the honor code clearer.

Thanks Erina

Do you think they might decide change grading?
 
Thanks Erina

Do you think they might decide change grading?

I doubt that's going to be the solution and I really would be angry if it wasn't in the current scale it is. Since I realize that there is a huge range of pass for any test, I do have more free time to do other things that interest me and have a better time in med school than if I went to a school with a different grading scale. To me school is a pass/fail system (I don't care about getting that H on my transcript at all) so I can be much more chill about school.
 
Thanks Erina

Do you think they might decide change grading?

At the meeting we just had, someone brought up the issue of grading. A member of the administration said that has been discussed many times and there are as many arguments for the current grading system as there are against it. A change in the current system is unlikely.

I agree with shantster, though--I like it the way it is. If you don't care about getting honors (since your grades from first and second year don't matter all that much in the long run), then it's actually really easy to just pass. Well, maybe "really easy" isn't the right phrase, but failing isn't something that most people deal with. If you do care about honors, then you work hard to get it--probably just like you would anyway, even if the grading system was pass/fail. I really think that if you work hard and really know the material, you'll get honors. I found that when I really tried, when I really cared (although I do still care about med school, I promise 😛), I was able to achieve the honors cutoff. Once I decided to spend more time on other things instead of studying like I had been, my grades dropped a bit--but I still know the material.

Pitt's grading system is fine and I'm so glad I don't go to a school that breaks down the grades into A/B/C/F or H/HP/P/LP/F or whatever. Too much stress. And just pass/fail wouldn't give me that extra boost of confidence when I try hard and do well enough for honors.
 
Thanks Erina

Do you think they might decide change grading?
They should change the grading so that it's not on a curve. The Baylor system is real grading, but it's not curved. I actually prefer that because it would encourage collobaration and it wouldn't matter if some pathetic losers were cheating.
 
They should change the grading so that it's not on a curve. The Baylor system is real grading, but it's not curved. I actually prefer that because it would encourage collobaration and it wouldn't matter if some pathetic losers were cheating.

I also wouldn't like that as well. Some classes are naturally harder than others (Micro comes to mind there) and some tests are harder than others. If we had a set cutoff for pass and honors, then there would be some classes that no one honored and there would probably be a few tests that I know I would have failed. I'd rather be able to study in order to learn the material for knowing it later in life rather than studying so I could make a certain percentage cutoff.

Again, I don't notice any people going out of their way to get ahead and I'm not sure if those that were cheating even affecting the curve that much. There's a lot of information that isn't know about that particular situation so you can't make a judgement that it impacts anything in one way or another. Unlike what someone earlier posted, we don't know if those people were getting honors, maybe they were just passing with the information they got from the tests. Again, we don't even know what tests they have and if it was from years ago, it probably won't help that much. I really think that any questions you have about that particular situation should be directed to the school since what you hear second/third/fourth hand is not true as evidenced by what I'm seeing on these boards. Not much is known and so anything you hear about specifics are likely to be unfounded speculations.
 
I also wouldn't like that as well. Some classes are naturally harder than others (Micro comes to mind there) and some tests are harder than others. If we had a set cutoff for pass and honors, then there would be some classes that no one honored and there would probably be a few tests that I know I would have failed. I'd rather be able to study in order to learn the material for knowing it later in life rather than studying so I could make a certain percentage cutoff.

Again, I don't notice any people going out of their way to get ahead and I'm not sure if those that were cheating even affecting the curve that much. There's a lot of information that isn't know about that particular situation so you can't make a judgement that it impacts anything in one way or another. Unlike what someone earlier posted, we don't know if those people were getting honors, maybe they were just passing with the information they got from the tests. Again, we don't even know what tests they have and if it was from years ago, it probably won't help that much. I really think that any questions you have about that particular situation should be directed to the school since what you hear second/third/fourth hand is not true as evidenced by what I'm seeing on these boards. Not much is known and so anything you hear about specifics are likely to be unfounded speculations.
Honestly, I am not basing my response off of this particular situation. That is just a general feeling I have where failing/honoring is defined as 2 SDs below/above the average or whatever.
 
I recently got waitlisted from PITT, then I got an email from the admissions department 2 weeks later. I got very excited, thinking it was an application status update, but no:

[FONT=PrimaSans BT,Verdana,sans-serif]Dear _______________:
We are often asked by our applicants "What is there to do in Pittsburgh in the winter?
One of my favorite activities is visiting the Phipps conservatory, within walking distance of the University of Pittsburgh, and located at the entrance to Schenley Park. http://phipps.conservatory.org/

Another is to attend performances of the Chatham Baroque, western Pennsylvania's only professional baroque ensemble playing on period instruments http://www.chathambaroque.org/about.html
Although some of us might not love the cold, we make the best of it and enjoy our winter sports. A favorite activity of residents of Pittsburgh is ice skating at the rink at Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPG) Plaza, given to the city by the Hillman family. The rink is absolutely beautiful and it is 2200 square feet bigger than the rink at Rockefeller Center in New York City. http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/ice_skating/p/ppg_rink.htm
If you enjoy snow skiing, there are eight different ski resorts in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. The mountains provide a wonderful opportunity to downhill or cross country ski along with snowboarding, snowshoeing and snowmobiling. http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/skiing/a/ski_resorts.htm
In addition to all of these activities, you can always join the Steeler Nation by cheering on our six time Super Bowl Champions, the Pittsburgh Steelers! With so much to do, winter can be a very enjoyable time of the year.
Warmest Regards,
Beth Piraino, MD
Professor of Medicine
Associate Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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Why do they taunt me?!?!
 
I recently got waitlisted from PITT, then I got an email from the admissions department 2 weeks later. I got very excited, thinking it was an application status update, but no:

[FONT=PrimaSans BT,Verdana,sans-serif]Dear _______________:
We are often asked by our applicants "What is there to do in Pittsburgh in the winter?
One of my favorite activities is visiting the Phipps conservatory, within walking distance of the University of Pittsburgh, and located at the entrance to Schenley Park. http://phipps.conservatory.org/

Another is to attend performances of the Chatham Baroque, western Pennsylvania's only professional baroque ensemble playing on period instruments http://www.chathambaroque.org/about.html
Although some of us might not love the cold, we make the best of it and enjoy our winter sports. A favorite activity of residents of Pittsburgh is ice skating at the rink at Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPG) Plaza, given to the city by the Hillman family. The rink is absolutely beautiful and it is 2200 square feet bigger than the rink at Rockefeller Center in New York City. http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/ice_skating/p/ppg_rink.htm
If you enjoy snow skiing, there are eight different ski resorts in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. The mountains provide a wonderful opportunity to downhill or cross country ski along with snowboarding, snowshoeing and snowmobiling. http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/skiing/a/ski_resorts.htm
In addition to all of these activities, you can always join the Steeler Nation by cheering on our six time Super Bowl Champions, the Pittsburgh Steelers! With so much to do, winter can be a very enjoyable time of the year.
Warmest Regards,
Beth Piraino, MD
Professor of Medicine
Associate Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
.

Why do they taunt me?!?!
GRRRRRR I almost died when I got this e-mail... and then i remembered Pitt doesn't email 😀 They need to send their info e-mails from an e-mail address that DoEsN'T say "admissions"
 
I recently got waitlisted from PITT, then I got an email from the admissions department 2 weeks later. I got very excited, thinking it was an application status update, but no:
Having been waitlisted since early October, I can tell you with certainty that you will receive more emails like that in the future.
 
Hey, good news! I called the admissions office to snoop around for some info the other week and received a tidbit. Apparently the adcom's been considering the advancement of the wait list movement to March rather than May in order to admit in time for second look.
I called today to verify the earlier post that they could start in march, and they said "probably."
I emailed them today and tacked that question on at the end. They told me the waitlist wouldn't be reviewed until May. So who the hell knows for sure.
 
GRRRRRR I almost died when I got this e-mail... and then i remembered Pitt doesn't email 😀 They need to send their info e-mails from an e-mail address that DoEsN'T say "admissions"

hahahahahahahahahaha...I got the same letter today and almost hollered...until I opened the e-mail...LOL

That's cool though...that's nice of them to at least send something after interviewing there.
 
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