2012-2013 Temple University Application Thread

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I guess I'm more disturbed by the latter comment, and though that poster has apologized, even if it was a joke it was in poor taste and reflects an inacceptable level of immaturity from someone who aspires to be a doctor.

But for the original poster, I can't help but think that their feelings are rooted in an extremely sheltered upbringing -- to many of us, the comments are just plain racist. But not everyone has the same mindset as "many of us." For those people who feel the same way as the poster, it may really have opened their eyes to whether or not they want to attend Temple.

I'll end on a friendly note -- as someone who hasn't been extended an interview, I wouldn't mind some people dropping out because North Philly isn't their cup of tea to make room for me 😀

It's one thing to say you felt uncomfortable in the neighborhood. It's another to say "brace yourselves guys, there are lots of black people in Philly." And to top off this racially insensitive rambling about his experience in philadelphia, someone goes
and makes a Blackface comment and doesn't understand why that's racist? I'm sorry, but it makes you guys look like idiots.

This is an anonymous forum, so even though I will probably never be "outed" in real life for saying what I did, I still feel like I need to say something in my defense. I would understand if those offended do not feel like they want to hear what I've got to say, but I would assert that they might also learn something from my perspective:

In regard to the original post that started all this, it seems like Forthefuture did come from a rather sheltered upbringing. He says in one part of his original post:

"I have never seen so many African Americans concentrated in one location. The culture here surrounding civil rights and a lot of sociocultural implications associated with poverty and racial disparity can really be felt here." something about "the history books coming alive."

In another part he says:

"In any case, everything I learned in history textbooks really came alive that day."

These comments bespeak a lack of awareness of issues surrounding African American History, Urban Demographics, and Racial and Class dynamics beyond what is taught in a high school social studies class. In my mind, two things can contribute to this lack of awareness: a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment where such issues are prevalent, and a lack of exposure to cultural products such as music, movies/TV, or news items that raise these issues either explicitly or implicitly.

Forthefuture stated that he, "grew up in really a suburban middle class community in California" This points to a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment. Proof of the lack of exposure to cultural products can be gleaned from the tone and content of his posts entirely. I feel like anybody who's listened to his fair share of 90's rap, seen movies like "Training Day," "Boyz 'N the Hood," "Do the Right Thing," "American History X," or TV shows like "The Wire" could have put the experience Forthefuture had in North Philly in a much more informed context.

Therefore, without the necessary upbringing and cultural education, he could not have known the effect his comments would elicit from those who do possess those qualities. I can't say I was as uneducated in these matters as Forthefuture, but I'm not perfect either. The only exposure I had ever had in relation to the subject of "Blackface" was in Cuba Gooding Jr.'s 2009 Oscar Speech regarding Robert Downing Jr.'s role in "Tropic Thunder," in which he said,

"To be a white actor, playing a white Australian actor, playing a black actor in black face…I say, are you out of your mind? (laughs from audience) I mean you know I can understand getting into your character for the art of the charter's heart and soul but that's enough of taking the parts from the black people. Man, the brothers need to work. You know. That's enough of that. I appreciate it."

Therefore, I've only heard the expression used in a comedic context. Only after my comment elicited such a hostile response did I then google blackface and find out its real socio-historical connotations.

It's one thing when people are racist in an intentionally malignant way, but when people like myself and Forthefuture are bashed and pinned as racists and idiots, any further progress that could have been made in the way of constructive dialogue and education about race stops. Perhaps it was appropriate for Forthefuture to apologize once for his lack of education and awareness, but I felt like the degree to which he was made to feel like a complete d*ck was unnecessary and excessive, especially considering his earnest tone in recognizing his apparent mistake and his humility in trying to make amends. Now he has taken down his post. What kind of message does that send? Basically, that if your personal subjective experience does not fit within certain guidelines of political correctness, you should not voice them. So in the future, rather than putting his viewpoint out there to be a starting block for intelligent and constructive dialogue, he's probably now more inclined to shut up to avoid scorn.

I'm Asian. I grew up in white-america. I'm no stranger to racism. But I am not of the opinion that the burden of education about race, which in my opinion is the only viable way to deal with racism in a multi-racial society, should be the sole-burden of the uneducated. Everyone should pitch in. I feel like if I make a comment that you construe as racist, you and I each have our respective responsibilities:

I have the responsibility to be humble and recognize that I have made an error, to have the decency to apologize, and to be receptive to being educated about the nature of the error.

You have the responsibility to be cognizant of where I'm coming from, why I made the comment, and if it was made from a place of ignorance rather than malice, to summon the patience to point out my mistake and possibly educate me on the nature of the error.

This way, we both make an effort: I make an effort to meet you where you are, you make an effort to meet me where I am. We do it with mutual respect. Everybody goes away better for the experience.

To me, this showing of unforgiving intolerance negates connection, compassion, and understanding, the very instruments that can unify people, heal racial division, and transcend prejudice.
 
Bro, you just wrote an essay to defend yourself against Internet strangers. Turn in your Internets license.
 
Bro, you just wrote an essay to defend yourself against Internet strangers. Turn in your Internets license.

lol...

I have my interview here coming up and have to get to the 30th street station so a friend can pick me up. Is the septa regional rail inside the airport? Or do I have to walk some distance to get to the station?

I'm assuming there's a token exchange thingy where i just put in some cash and get some tokens in order to ride the rail right?

Also, any tips and advice for getting my way around Philly and to the Admissions Office in general?



Thanks in advance!
 
This is an anonymous forum, so even though I will probably never be "outed" in real life for saying what I did, I still feel like I need to say something in my defense. I would understand if those offended do not feel like they want to hear what I've got to say, but I would assert that they might also learn something from my perspective:

In regard to the original post that started all this, it seems like Forthefuture did come from a rather sheltered upbringing. He says in one part of his original post:

"I have never seen so many African Americans concentrated in one location. The culture here surrounding civil rights and a lot of sociocultural implications associated with poverty and racial disparity can really be felt here." something about "the history books coming alive."

In another part he says:

"In any case, everything I learned in history textbooks really came alive that day."

These comments bespeak a lack of awareness of issues surrounding African American History, Urban Demographics, and Racial and Class dynamics beyond what is taught in a high school social studies class. In my mind, two things can contribute to this lack of awareness: a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment where such issues are prevalent, and a lack of exposure to cultural products such as music, movies/TV, or news items that raise these issues either explicitly or implicitly.

Forthefuture stated that he, "grew up in really a suburban middle class community in California" This points to a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment. Proof of the lack of exposure to cultural products can be gleaned from the tone and content of his posts entirely. I feel like anybody who's listened to his fair share of 90's rap, seen movies like "Training Day," "Boyz 'N the Hood," "Do the Right Thing," "American History X," or TV shows like "The Wire" could have put the experience Forthefuture had in North Philly in a much more informed context.

Therefore, without the necessary upbringing and cultural education, he could not have known the effect his comments would elicit from those who do possess those qualities. I can't say I was as uneducated in these matters as Forthefuture, but I'm not perfect either. The only exposure I had ever had in relation to the subject of "Blackface" was in Cuba Gooding Jr.'s 2009 Oscar Speech regarding Robert Downing Jr.'s role in "Tropic Thunder," in which he said,

"To be a white actor, playing a white Australian actor, playing a black actor in black face…I say, are you out of your mind? (laughs from audience) I mean you know I can understand getting into your character for the art of the charter's heart and soul but that's enough of taking the parts from the black people. Man, the brothers need to work. You know. That's enough of that. I appreciate it."

Therefore, I've only heard the expression used in a comedic context. Only after my comment elicited such a hostile response did I then google blackface and find out its real socio-historical connotations.

It's one thing when people are racist in an intentionally malignant way, but when people like myself and Forthefuture are bashed and pinned as racists and idiots, any further progress that could have been made in the way of constructive dialogue and education about race stops. Perhaps it was appropriate for Forthefuture to apologize once for his lack of education and awareness, but I felt like the degree to which he was made to feel like a complete d*ck was unnecessary and excessive, especially considering his earnest tone in recognizing his apparent mistake and his humility in trying to make amends. Now he has taken down his post. What kind of message does that send? Basically, that if your personal subjective experience does not fit within certain guidelines of political correctness, you should not voice them. So in the future, rather than putting his viewpoint out there to be a starting block for intelligent and constructive dialogue, he's probably now more inclined to shut up to avoid scorn.

I'm Asian. I grew up in white-america. I'm no stranger to racism. But I am not of the opinion that the burden of education about race, which in my opinion is the only viable way to deal with racism in a multi-racial society, should be the sole-burden of the uneducated. Everyone should pitch in. I feel like if I make a comment that you construe as racist, you and I each have our respective responsibilities:

I have the responsibility to be humble and recognize that I have made an error, to have the decency to apologize, and to be receptive to being educated about the nature of the error.

You have the responsibility to be cognizant of where I'm coming from, why I made the comment, and if it was made from a place of ignorance rather than malice, to summon the patience to point out my mistake and possibly educate me on the nature of the error.

This way, we both make an effort: I make an effort to meet you where you are, you make an effort to meet me where I am. We do it with mutual respect. Everybody goes away better for the experience.

To me, this showing of unforgiving intolerance negates connection, compassion, and understanding, the very instruments that can unify people, heal racial division, and transcend prejudice.

Dude, you need to chill, because if you've ever had to be in that area alone your view on the subject might be a whole lot different. Living in North Philadelphia, or even visiting there for a short time, is enough to turn a lot of people predjudiced. When people are getting shot on the street that you live on regularly it is very easy to become hateful, especially when the people there aren't shy about showing that they don't want you in their neighborhood. Have you ever walked out of your house to see someone trying to steal the tire from your car? Have you ever had someone offer you crack on your way home from class? I'm not saying it's right to look down people in this area, but let's not get on this guy for being honest...
 
This is an anonymous forum, so even though I will probably never be "outed" in real life for saying what I did, I still feel like I need to say something in my defense. I would understand if those offended do not feel like they want to hear what I've got to say, but I would assert that they might also learn something from my perspective:

In regard to the original post that started all this, it seems like Forthefuture did come from a rather sheltered upbringing. He says in one part of his original post:

"I have never seen so many African Americans concentrated in one location. The culture here surrounding civil rights and a lot of sociocultural implications associated with poverty and racial disparity can really be felt here." something about "the history books coming alive."

In another part he says:

"In any case, everything I learned in history textbooks really came alive that day."

These comments bespeak a lack of awareness of issues surrounding African American History, Urban Demographics, and Racial and Class dynamics beyond what is taught in a high school social studies class. In my mind, two things can contribute to this lack of awareness: a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment where such issues are prevalent, and a lack of exposure to cultural products such as music, movies/TV, or news items that raise these issues either explicitly or implicitly.

Forthefuture stated that he, "grew up in really a suburban middle class community in California" This points to a lack of exposure to an immediate physical environment. Proof of the lack of exposure to cultural products can be gleaned from the tone and content of his posts entirely. I feel like anybody who's listened to his fair share of 90's rap, seen movies like "Training Day," "Boyz 'N the Hood," "Do the Right Thing," "American History X," or TV shows like "The Wire" could have put the experience Forthefuture had in North Philly in a much more informed context.

Therefore, without the necessary upbringing and cultural education, he could not have known the effect his comments would elicit from those who do possess those qualities. I can't say I was as uneducated in these matters as Forthefuture, but I'm not perfect either. The only exposure I had ever had in relation to the subject of "Blackface" was in Cuba Gooding Jr.'s 2009 Oscar Speech regarding Robert Downing Jr.'s role in "Tropic Thunder," in which he said,

"To be a white actor, playing a white Australian actor, playing a black actor in black face…I say, are you out of your mind? (laughs from audience) I mean you know I can understand getting into your character for the art of the charter's heart and soul but that's enough of taking the parts from the black people. Man, the brothers need to work. You know. That's enough of that. I appreciate it."

Therefore, I've only heard the expression used in a comedic context. Only after my comment elicited such a hostile response did I then google blackface and find out its real socio-historical connotations.

It's one thing when people are racist in an intentionally malignant way, but when people like myself and Forthefuture are bashed and pinned as racists and idiots, any further progress that could have been made in the way of constructive dialogue and education about race stops. Perhaps it was appropriate for Forthefuture to apologize once for his lack of education and awareness, but I felt like the degree to which he was made to feel like a complete d*ck was unnecessary and excessive, especially considering his earnest tone in recognizing his apparent mistake and his humility in trying to make amends. Now he has taken down his post. What kind of message does that send? Basically, that if your personal subjective experience does not fit within certain guidelines of political correctness, you should not voice them. So in the future, rather than putting his viewpoint out there to be a starting block for intelligent and constructive dialogue, he's probably now more inclined to shut up to avoid scorn.

I'm Asian. I grew up in white-america. I'm no stranger to racism. But I am not of the opinion that the burden of education about race, which in my opinion is the only viable way to deal with racism in a multi-racial society, should be the sole-burden of the uneducated. Everyone should pitch in. I feel like if I make a comment that you construe as racist, you and I each have our respective responsibilities:

I have the responsibility to be humble and recognize that I have made an error, to have the decency to apologize, and to be receptive to being educated about the nature of the error.

You have the responsibility to be cognizant of where I'm coming from, why I made the comment, and if it was made from a place of ignorance rather than malice, to summon the patience to point out my mistake and possibly educate me on the nature of the error.

This way, we both make an effort: I make an effort to meet you where you are, you make an effort to meet me where I am. We do it with mutual respect. Everybody goes away better for the experience.

To me, this showing of unforgiving intolerance negates connection, compassion, and understanding, the very instruments that can unify people, heal racial division, and transcend prejudice.

Didn't read, but this is like Stephen Colbert apologizing after an episode of the Report. Relax man.
 
Dude, you need to chill, because if you've ever had to be in that area alone your view on the subject might be a whole lot different. Living in North Philadelphia, or even visiting there for a short time, is enough to turn a lot of people predjudiced. When people are getting shot on the street that you live on regularly it is very easy to become hateful, especially when the people there aren't shy about showing that they don't want you in their neighborhood. Have you ever walked out of your house to see someone trying to steal the tire from your car? Have you ever had someone offer you crack on your way home from class? I'm not saying it's right to look down people in this area, but let's not get on this guy for being honest...

...It doesn't sound like you really read my post and the ones preceding.
 
What a horrible experience. Yeah, I have to say that's the real turn off from Temple for me. I don't think he was racist. Pompous, maybe and a little silly. Poor people tend to be uneducated and uneducated people tend to do stupid things. That goes for all races. What a little pissant, though. Who does that? I think I would lose my **** if someone did that to me.
 
Everyone should just withdraw their app so I can get in 😀. I love this school.
 
What a horrible experience. Yeah, I have to say that's the real turn off from Temple for me. I don't think he was racist. Pompous, maybe and a little silly. Poor people tend to be uneducated and uneducated people tend to do stupid things. That goes for all races. What a little pissant, though. Who does that? I think I would lose my **** if someone did that to me.
A*holes exist everywhere, it sucks that that was part of the OP's first impressions of the school though. Temple's a great school.
 
Is Temple receptive to "in the area" emails? I have interviews at Drexel and Jefferson so it would be great to not have to fly to Philly three times...
 
Has anyone who applied to the Geisinger program heard back yet?

Thank you!!:luck:
 
Is Temple receptive to "in the area" emails? I have interviews at Drexel and Jefferson so it would be great to not have to fly to Philly three times...

"We'll let you know if we can accommodate your request." Didn't hear a peep since then.
 
Has anyone who has interviewed or will interview received an email from the RAR program? It looks like that's the program for helping URM applicants during the cycle, and I am definitely not URM, kinda confusing. Anyone else experienced this?
 
"We'll let you know if we can accommodate your request." Didn't hear a peep since then.

I'm in the same boat 🙁 I have an interview at Drexel and one the next day at Jefferson. Temples been taking their sweet time letting me know if they can accomodate my request haha I'm trying to hold out a few more days for a response before I book my flight.
 
Hey everyone. For those who have interviewed at Temple, which hotels did you stay at and what was your experience? Which hotels would you recommend staying at?

Also, I'm going to be in Philly from September 30th until October 4th. I'm sure this city is as new to many of you as it will be to me. If anyone is interviewing around that time and would like to go around exploring the city as a group let me know! PM me and we'll organize it.
 
I'm in the same boat 🙁 I have an interview at Drexel and one the next day at Jefferson. Temples been taking their sweet time letting me know if they can accomodate my request haha I'm trying to hold out a few more days for a response before I book my flight.

I don't have an ii to Jefferson or Temple (I have one from Drexel), so maybe if I'm lucky enough to get invite to either of them another "in the area" email will be fruitful.
 
I don't have an ii to Jefferson or Temple (I have one from Drexel), so maybe if I'm lucky enough to get invite to either of them another "in the area" email will be fruitful.

I don't know if you tried an in the area with Jefferson this time around, but thats how I ended up with an interview there.
 
I don't know if you tried an in the area with Jefferson this time around, but thats how I ended up with an interview there.

Are you supposed to mention the specific schools in the email? I just said that I had two other interviews in Philadelphia and left it at that.
 
Has anyone who has interviewed or will interview received an email from the RAR program? It looks like that's the program for helping URM applicants during the cycle, and I am definitely not URM, kinda confusing. Anyone else experienced this?

I don't think it's for URMs, but rather for people who can add diversity to the class. I have one and I'm not a URM although I am Hispanic.
 
Has anyone who applied for West Penn Allegheny heard about II yet? Also, any news on the status of the 'new' medical school?
 
? new medical school opened a few years ago.

Are you thinking of MERB? The building opened in 2009, yes, but they are also supposed to be opening a second full 4 year school in Pittsburgh with West Penn Allegheny. I have no idea where they are with that, though I thought it was supposed to be ready in 2013. 😕
 
The rumor I heard is that something was delaying a 4 year school in Pittsburgh from happening, although when I heard this people were saying it would open the next year (for 2014 entering class).

Also I already had my interview with Temple and there were a few West Penn applicants there. Great interview day overall! Hoping for some good news from them on October 15th!
 
Are you thinking of MERB? The building opened in 2009, yes, but they are also supposed to be opening a second full 4 year school in Pittsburgh with West Penn Allegheny. I have no idea where they are with that, though I thought it was supposed to be ready in 2013. 😕

On the website TUSM said that the West Penn regional campus (4 yrs) would be available for ~30 students matriculating Fall 2013 (aka us). I actually put this as one of my primary reasons for applying to Temple.

Is this really getting delayed? If they ask me "Why Temple?" Should I avoid talking about this?

The rumor I heard is that something was delaying a 4 year school in Pittsburgh from happening, although when I heard this people were saying it would open the next year (for 2014 entering class).

Also I already had my interview with Temple and there were a few West Penn applicants there. Great interview day overall! Hoping for some good news from them on October 15th!

Any current students here have any info on this rumor?
 
lol...

I have my interview here coming up and have to get to the 30th street station so a friend can pick me up. Is the septa regional rail inside the airport? Or do I have to walk some distance to get to the station?

I'm assuming there's a token exchange thingy where i just put in some cash and get some tokens in order to ride the rail right?

Also, any tips and advice for getting my way around Philly and to the Admissions Office in general?



Thanks in advance!

Anyone know the answer to this?? I'm flying in tomorrow.
 
Anyone know the answer to this?? I'm flying in tomorrow.

My husband's taken the train to the airport and back and says it's basically in the airport. It will stop at each gate area.

You will have to buy a ticket for the regional rail, though, no tokens for the regional rail. Either in the station or on the train. You should be able to take that train all the way to 30th street (or Suburban station, or Market East) and get to your hotel from there. Then you'll want to take the Broad Street Subway line (orange) up to TUSM/the hospital. Broad Street Line will take tokens. I'm honestly not sure of the specifics of possibly buying an exchange between the lines or if you just buy a token for the BSS. The person at the ticket booth if you buy at the station should be able to help you out there.

I hope you saw this in time, and that it helps.
 
Thanks! It's a weird system they have here. I paid once I boarded the train from the airport to suburban street. Then I just paid the ticket booth person when I wanted to get on the subway on broad street. Overall pretty straightforward. BRING CASH.

My husband's taken the train to the airport and back and says it's basically in the airport. It will stop at each gate area.

You will have to buy a ticket for the regional rail, though, no tokens for the regional rail. Either in the station or on the train. You should be able to take that train all the way to 30th street (or Suburban station, or Market East) and get to your hotel from there. Then you'll want to take the Broad Street Subway line (orange) up to TUSM/the hospital. Broad Street Line will take tokens. I'm honestly not sure of the specifics of possibly buying an exchange between the lines or if you just buy a token for the BSS. The person at the ticket booth if you buy at the station should be able to help you out there.

I hope you saw this in time, and that it helps.
 
Interviewed here yesterday. Despite being stupidly expensive for OOS (and IS), I really love this school. Student body is incredibly down to earth, beautiful facilities, and great clinical experiences. During the tour we got to go into the anatomy lab while the MS1s were mid-dissection, too. If anyone was annoyed at our interruption, they didn't say anything!
 
Interviewed here yesterday. Despite being stupidly expensive for OOS (and IS), I really love this school. Student body is incredibly down to earth, beautiful facilities, and great clinical experiences. During the tour we got to go into the anatomy lab while the MS1s were mid-dissection, too. If anyone was annoyed at our interruption, they didn't say anything!

👍 I was just about to post asking how the people that have interviewed liked it so far. I'm glad you loved it, despite the price tag. 🙂
 
Still no love from Temple... I'm starting to get discouraged. I did my MS at the med school (and I did it well) 🙁
 
Still no love from Temple... I'm starting to get discouraged. I did my MS at the med school (and I did it well) 🙁

I did my MS at Tufts. You having any luck at other schools that offer SMPs?
 
I did my MS at Tufts. You having any luck at other schools that offer SMPs?

Mine was a 2-year thesis MS, so not really a SMP.

Interviewed at TCMC (only MD school so far), and IIs at LECOM and UMDNJ-SOM

I love Temple though... amazing faculty.

How about you?
 
Mine was a 2-year thesis MS, so not really a SMP.

Interviewed at TCMC (only MD school so far), and IIs at LECOM and UMDNJ-SOM

I love Temple though... amazing faculty.

How about you?

No luck here. Congrats on the interview invites!
 
Just uploaded an update letter on their site! Hopefully it will lead to an II down the road!
 
I just sent an in the area email with a pretty specific date request. Not really expecting anything, but we'll see! Shooting for early November, Submitted 8/20.

I'm calling George Washington University "in the area"...from what I remember the bus ride was decently quick.
 
So, from what I hear, the school has been drastically cutting down on research funding, and the research departments are suffering. Obviously the current funding environment has an impact on this. I was told they've combined the graduate programs into a single "watered down" program, which the students just don't care for. Research is a major factor in how medical schools are ranked, so this does have an impact on the medical education of the school.

Sort of makes the school a little less appealing to me. I'd still love to go here though 😛
 
So, from what I hear, the school has been drastically cutting down on research funding, and the research departments are suffering. Obviously the current funding environment has an impact on this. I was told they've combined the graduate programs into a single "watered down" program, which the students just don't care for. Research is a major factor in how medical schools are ranked, so this does have an impact on the medical education of the school.

Sort of makes the school a little less appealing to me. I'd still love to go here though 😛

Where did you hear this?
 
Where did you hear this?

I still have a lot of grad student friends there. The exact words I was told was "the graduate school is completely broke", and that the new dean wants to focus on areas other than research. It might be accurate (Ex-Dean Daly was very invested in research), but it could be good or bad for the school as a whole - I'm sure the administrators have their reasons.

Its all hearsay though, and it could have been just grad students airing their frustrations.

I don't want to turn anyone off from the school. The faculty and facilities are still top-of-the-line; it would just be a shame if the research suffered.
 
ii today for St. Lukes. Made my day a much better after 2 rejections.
 
I never knew exactly when I was complete since I never received an email. I submitted payment on July 27th and had finished the application that day.
 
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