2012-2013 Wayne State University Application Thread

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Alternate list. Even though my interview went very well, I expected this being OOS...
 
Marlfox19 said:
Alternate list. Even though my interview went very well, I expected this being OOS...
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Don't sweat it!
I was on the alternate list before I got in (OOS too)--it's not the end all, by any means.
Hang in there and good luck!
 
Thanks for that, that definitely gives me some hope! Also, congrats to everyone who got accepted!
 
Question:
I took Ochem 1 lecture (3 credits), Ochem 2 lecture (3 cr) and Ochem lab (2 cr) during undergrad, for a total of 8 ochem credits. This was the series at my school that everyone took (good, public university).
Do you think I have to take another ochem lab to meet Wayne's 2 semesters of ochem requirement? I've been accepted and am seriously thinking about coming here, however, I took ochem 5+ years ago and am not sure I would be successful taking it now...

Thanks for any insight and happy holidays!
 
DrBtobe said:
Question:
I took Ochem 1 lecture (3 credits), Ochem 2 lecture (3 cr) and Ochem lab (2 cr) during undergrad, for a total of 8 ochem credits. This was the series at my school that everyone took (good, public university).
Do you think I have to take another ochem lab to meet Wayne's 2 semesters of ochem requirement? I've been accepted and am seriously thinking about coming here, however, I took ochem 5+ years ago and am not sure I would be successful taking it now...

Thanks for any insight and happy holidays!
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My school has the exact same thing- I think we're all good! It's just 2 semesters of Ochem in one semester with that system, no less than those who take 2 1 credit semesters
 
I just called the admissions office and got a big old no.
She said you need to take a full year of Organic Chemistry lab, no matter what.
No substitutions (biochem lab can't substitute and a more strenuous lab can't substitute).
Sigh.
I don't think I can take an organic lab. It's super difficult to get into any classes here and I haven't had organic chemistry in over 5 years.
Blah.
 
DrBtobe said:
I just called the admissions office and got a big old no.
She said you need to take a full year of Organic Chemistry lab, no matter what.
No substitutions (biochem lab can't substitute and a more strenuous lab can't substitute).
Sigh.
I don't think I can take an organic lab. It's super difficult to get into any classes here and I haven't had organic chemistry in over 5 years.
Blah.
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If you were missing a requirement wouldn't they have discussed it during your interview or something? now I'm a little worried bc I've been accepted but I only took 1 semester of gen chem lab (2 semesters of class). My institution does not offer 2 semesters of it. Should I be worried? I am a biochemistry major and have taken other chemistry courses (not pchem or inorganic tho which can usually substitute)
 
CatalyzeMe said:
If you were missing a requirement wouldn't they have discussed it during your interview or something? now I'm a little worried bc I've been accepted but I only took 1 semester of gen chem lab (2 semesters of class). My institution does not offer 2 semesters of it. Should I be worried? I am a biochemistry major and have taken other chemistry courses (not pchem or inorganic tho which can usually substitute)
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You may be expected to finish that one credit before matriculation. You should talk to them.
 
Have there been any interview invites in December?
How far into 2013 have interviews been scheduled?
 
CatalyzeMe said:
If you were missing a requirement wouldn't they have discussed it during your interview or something? now I'm a little worried bc I've been accepted but I only took 1 semester of gen chem lab (2 semesters of class). My institution does not offer 2 semesters of it. Should I be worried? I am a biochemistry major and have taken other chemistry courses (not pchem or inorganic tho which can usually substitute)
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Same situation here at both schools in my city. There just isn't a second semester of general chemistry lab, just a lecture course.

I emailed them to ask about what to do since I really don't have any option to take a lab (which I would be ok taking if it were available at all).
 
CatalyzeMe said:
If you were missing a requirement wouldn't they have discussed it during your interview or something? now I'm a little worried bc I've been accepted but I only took 1 semester of gen chem lab (2 semesters of class). My institution does not offer 2 semesters of it. Should I be worried? I am a biochemistry major and have taken other chemistry courses (not pchem or inorganic tho which can usually substitute)
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I haven't received the official letter of acceptance yet (just the email). I wonder if it will have conditions of acceptance on it?
I would have thought that they would say something...
The other schools I interviewed at had me fill out a worksheet to show how I met their requirements.

I'd hate to not go to here because of 1 laboratory...
 
The official mail letter just says you need a $50 deposit to hold your spot.

And has the following blurb:
This letter of admission is contingent upon the satisfactory completion of any remaining academic work along with a satisfactory criminal background check. Notify us in writing of all coursework changes made subsequent to the submission of your application.
 
DrBtobe said:
I haven't received the official letter of acceptance yet (just the email). I wonder if it will have conditions of acceptance on it?
I would have thought that they would say something...
The other schools I interviewed at had me fill out a worksheet to show how I met their requirements.

I'd hate to not go to here because of 1 laboratory...
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Find a CC to take it at, shouldn't be a problem, as I have never heard of Wayne rejecting CC credits.
 
theseeker4 said:
Find a CC to take it at, shouldn't be a problem, as I have never heard of Wayne rejecting CC credits.
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+1, I was at CC before I went to wayne, when I transferred they took all my credits, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
theseeker4 said:
Find a CC to take it at, shouldn't be a problem, as I have never heard of Wayne rejecting CC credits.
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Sorry to bog this thread down with my personal problems and thanks for the advice all.

Thanks for dealing with my neurotic behavior!
 
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DrBtobe said:
Officially withdrawing my acceptance today.
Sorry to do so, but the combination of high out-of-state tuition costs, having to take an other Orgo lab this late in the game, combined with a few personal reasons has lead me to this very tough decision.
This seems to be an excellent school!
Good luck to the rest of you!
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Did you consider deferring for a year to give you more time to take the orgo lab? I understand if other factors such as high tuition are a major factor in your decision...it's just that the med school process is so difficult and you have already made it through and been granted acceptance. I also really hate to see someone give up on a dream because of money issues 🙁 good luck with whatever you decide!
 
cdnmedhopeful said:
Same situation here at both schools in my city. There just isn't a second semester of general chemistry lab, just a lecture course.

I emailed them to ask about what to do since I really don't have any option to take a lab (which I would be ok taking if it were available at all).
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I called and asked the admissions office about it today and they said they will take one semester of general chemistry lab as long as you've had a full year of class and there is not a second semester of lab offered at your institution. They told me to have the head of the department send an email to them with my amcas number and explaining the situation (vouching for not offering the lab). We should be fine! 🙂
 
Are there many current students at Wayne State who were re-applicants to the school?

In my particular case, I interviewed in Sept last cycle and was waitlisted at the first decision date, and, ultimately, rejected at the end of summer. I reapplied this cycle (kind of late, verified in october) with a better MCAT score (35), more clinical experience, better grades, and, I believe, a better all around app, but I have not received an interview from Wayne this year. Just curious as to their overall approach and view of re-applicants?

Thanks for the info
 
CatalyzeMe said:
Did you consider deferring for a year to give you more time to take the orgo lab? I understand if other factors such as high tuition are a major factor in your decision...it's just that the med school process is so difficult and you have already made it through and been granted acceptance. I also really hate to see someone give up on a dream because of money issues 🙁 good luck with whatever you decide!
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That's really kind of you and I appreciate your concern!!
 
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CatalyzeMe said:
I called and asked the admissions office about it today and they said they will take one semester of general chemistry lab as long as you've had a full year of class and there is not a second semester of lab offered at your institution. They told me to have the head of the department send an email to them with my amcas number and explaining the situation (vouching for not offering the lab). We should be fine! 🙂
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Unfortunately, my school did offer a second semester orgo lab. Just not in the sequence I took (which my advisor recommended). This was several years ago and I was not pre-med at the time.
The problem is that I would have to take an orgo course (2nd semester I'm assuming??), when I haven't had orgo for 4-5 years. Plus, the community college classes are full, so I'd have to pay over $1000 for the privileged. This combined with the out of state tuition costs at Wayne (I'm from Michigan, but have lived out of state recently. 22 years in michigan is trumped by the few years I've spent outside it :/ ) is enough for me to go with my other school (which is by no means a bad school).

Your concern and advice has been really great!

Good luck!
 
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DrBtobe said:
Unfortunately, my school did offer a second semester orgo lab. Just not in the sequence I took (which my advisor recommended). This was several years ago and I was not pre-med at the time.
The problem is that I would have to take an orgo course (2nd semester I'm assuming??), when I haven't had orgo for 4-5 years. Plus, the community college classes are full, so I'd have to pay over $1000 for the privileged. This combined with the out of state tuition costs at Wayne (I'm from Michigan, but have lived out of state recently. 22 years in michigan is trumped by the few years I've spent outside it :/ ) is enough for me to go with my other school (which is by no means a bad school).

Your concern and advice has been really great! Too bad I'll be missing out on cool people like you at Wayne!

Good luck!
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Did you declare a state different from Michigan as your legal state of residence on your AMCAS? How do you know that you were accepted as an OOS vs an IS. I'm curious to hear this because I am opposite your situation. I grew up in another state and went to high school there, came to Michigan for undergrad and has been working/living here since getting my degree in 2009. I considered my self a MI resident because of this and put my legal residence as MI on AMCAS. But from what I understand, it is the school that determines whether you are IS or OOS. They don't just take your word for it (in terms of what you put on AMCAS). Did you call the FinAid office to find out if you are going to get OOS tuition? Do you know their requirements for qualifying for IS tuition?

Thank you and sorry for the hijack.
 
kfsa1 said:
Did you declare a state different from Michigan as your legal state of residence on your AMCAS? How do you know that you were accepted as an OOS vs an IS. I'm curious to hear this because I am opposite your situation. I grew up in another state and went to high school there, came to Michigan for undergrad and has been working/living here since getting my degree in 2009. I considered my self a MI resident because of this and put my legal residence as MI on AMCAS. But from what I understand, it is the school that determines whether you are IS or OOS. They don't just take your word for it (in terms of what you put on AMCAS). Did you call the FinAid office to find out if you are going to get OOS tuition? Do you know their requirements for qualifying for IS tuition?

Thank you and sorry for the hijack.
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I think I hijacked initially, so I can hardly call you out on it. 🙂

Clues I was OOS:
they gave me an OOS interview day (they schedule OOS people close to the weekend so that they have more travel time--very nice!)
I received a letter with my acceptance packet outlining the costs of OOS tuition and how my resident status wouldn't change while enrolled.

I will pay taxes in CA only this year (whereas in previous years I lived part of the year in MI and paid some taxes there), so it makes sense.

Typically, you cannot establish residency in a state while enrolled in full-time education (with exceptions like you own property, are married to someone with employment, etc). If you've been living/working in MI since 2009, I'd assume that you're IS--for the community college classes I took in CA, you had to live in the state 1 year to establish resident status, you should be fine!

I would have wanted IS tuition had I gotten into a CA school, too--so I'm just being greedy! It's just that MI is still "home".

Good luck!
 
As an FYI, MD/MPH interviews are beginning this month.

In other news, I received an II for MD/MPH (though I didn't apply for it...?). After some consideration, I have decided to withdraw my application. Best of luck to everyone else!
 
DrBtobe said:
Unfortunately, my school did offer a second semester orgo lab. Just not in the sequence I took (which my advisor recommended). This was several years ago and I was not pre-med at the time.
The problem is that I would have to take an orgo course (2nd semester I'm assuming??), when I haven't had orgo for 4-5 years. Plus, the community college classes are full, so I'd have to pay over $1000 for the privileged. This combined with the out of state tuition costs at Wayne (I'm from Michigan, but have lived out of state recently. 22 years in michigan is trumped by the few years I've spent outside it :/ ) is enough for me to go with my other school (which is by no means a bad school).

Your concern and advice has been really great! Too bad I'll be missing out on cool people like you at Wayne!

Good luck!
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This seems really strange! I'm a Michigan resident and I panicked when I saw this post. My decent public university offers Orgo I, Orgo II, and one Orgo Lab. This seems to be pretty standard practice. Can some others contribute to this issue and share their experiences? I have a hard time believing that Wayne would make a big deal about this. It's not that I don't believe you ^. I just want a larger sample size.
 
SuperDhooper19 said:
This seems really strange! I'm a Michigan resident and I panicked when I saw this post. My decent public university offers Orgo I, Orgo II, and one Orgo Lab. This seems to be pretty standard practice. Can some others contribute to this issue and share their experiences? I have a hard time believing that Wayne would make a big deal about this. It's not that I don't believe you ^. I just want a larger sample size.
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Another user above called them and I spoke to a couple different people. If there's no lab credit offered at your institution, they will make an exception so long as you took the lecture (ie. for me, there's no gen chem II lab, so i took gen chem lecture I and II and then lab I and they'll ignore the fact that I only have 1 semester of lab).
 
cdnmedhopeful said:
Another user above called them and I spoke to a couple different people. If there's no lab credit offered at your institution, they will make an exception so long as you took the lecture (ie. for me, there's no gen chem II lab, so i took gen chem lecture I and II and then lab I and they'll ignore the fact that I only have 1 semester of lab).
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Right. I just called several of my friends senior to me. One said she saw that in their secondary and just explained the standard practice at my institution and they were fine. No one even asked about it at interviews. Another friend told me that he knows a lot of students from our college that get in without any Orgo Lab II (because again no Orgo Lab II is standard practice at my school) so he's 99% sure it's fine. I feel bad for the guy with the biochemistry picture. He should not have had to drop his admission and settle for his second choice just because of his some mere logistical issue (assuming OOS are treated the same as in state applicants in terms of requirements).
 
SuperDhooper19 said:
This seems really strange! I'm a Michigan resident and I panicked when I saw this post. My decent public university offers Orgo I, Orgo II, and one Orgo Lab. This seems to be pretty standard practice. Can some others contribute to this issue and share their experiences? I have a hard time believing that Wayne would make a big deal about this. It's not that I don't believe you ^. I just want a larger sample size.
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So let me clarify to avoid mass craziness/panic:
Per phone call to admissions: 2nd semester Orgo lab absolutely required, no exceptions. I panicked.

So once I was calmer I sent an email with more information and specifics about my situation later that day.

Per the recent response to that email, from someone who looked at my file: I'm good as long as I can show that this was the accepted progression at my university or the only option available (someone else was told a letter from the dept. head would suffice).

If your school doesn't offer 2nd semester Orgo lab, it sounds very much like you're ok--they may just want proof.

I highly suggest emailing the admissions office--they were VERY nice and thorough in answering my (neurotic) questions and letting me know my personal options.
 
So ... any IIs in the new year? Does anyone know when are they sending out the next batch?
 
II received this afternoon for January 29th. Keep hope alive!
 
SUh44 said:
Are there many current students at Wayne State who were re-applicants to the school?

In my particular case, I interviewed in Sept last cycle and was waitlisted at the first decision date, and, ultimately, rejected at the end of summer. I reapplied this cycle (kind of late, verified in october) with a better MCAT score (35), more clinical experience, better grades, and, I believe, a better all around app, but I have not received an interview from Wayne this year. Just curious as to their overall approach and view of re-applicants?

Thanks for the info
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I'm in the same situation as you. I interviewed last time but was waitlisted thorughout the cycle. Now I have improved my MCAT by 5 points and got 4.0 in 20 credit hours of post-graduate work. No interview so far even though my application is much better than last time. I am assuming they either don't like reapplicants, or my essays were poor.
 
I don't think there's some bias against reapplicants. Many people in my class are 2nd and 3rd time applicants to the school. Some of our strongest students this year weren't given an interview invite until the spring. Don't want to give you false hope, but definitely don't count yourself out until the very end.

SIGINT said:
I'm in the same situation as you. I interviewed last time but was waitlisted thorughout the cycle. Now I have improved my MCAT by 5 points and got 4.0 in 20 credit hours of post-graduate work. No interview so far even though my application is much better than last time. I am assuming they either don't like reapplicants, or my essays were poor.
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what is the lowest gpa/mcat score anyone has heard of wayne state, who was accepted in this cycle?
 
Hey guys, I was wondering if wayne state frowns upon retake such as biochemistry and genetics? I didn't do well because my mother was going through serious health issues, which overwhelmed me. I know MD programs, in general, aren't happy with retakes.
 
From the previous posts it's looking like this is a particularly competitive year, stats wise (hard to really say for sure though). There are always exceptions though, and it's hard to tell exactly what admissions is looking for in each candidate. I can only speak from anecdotal evidence, but my GPA wasn't great (had some Cs on my transcript, and I had retaken some classes as well), and I know other people who had GPAs or MCAT scores that definitely were outliers. Although the admissions process is fairly formulaic from what I understand, they do try to evaluate you somewhat holistically and make decisions based on how well they think you can do here. Keep in mind though that at every school the sheer number of qualified applicants is very high. A doctor I knew said this to me once: "Everyone who wants to get into medical school gets into medical school. The question is where and when."

sonu420 said:
Hey guys, I was wondering if wayne state frowns upon retake such as biochemistry and genetics? I didn't do well because my mother was going through serious health issues, which overwhelmed me. I know MD programs, in general, aren't happy with retakes.
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is there any recent Interview Invite given out ?
Any idea about how many interview dates still open?
 
premed159 said:
When is their secondary deadline?
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Quote from the Secondary Application email:

"Attached is the 2012-2013 Secondary Application. Please return Secondary Application materials to us within 4 weeks."

Unless you received it less than 4 weeks ago, you've passed the deadline.
 
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