2012-2013 West Virginia University Application Thread

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Mountaineer12 said:
There's been 3-4 OOSers on here that got in already, myself included.
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You were EDP, if I remember correctly.

And the only other ones I can recall were second-hand information... somebody saying they knew two OOSers who got in (not saying it didn't happen, just saying those weren't folks on the waitlist in this thread).
 
At least two students were accepted off of the wait list in earlier this year (2013) -- both of them were out-of-state.
 
mujaman said:
You were EDP, if I remember correctly.

And the only other ones I can recall were second-hand information... somebody saying they knew two OOSers who got in (not saying it didn't happen, just saying those weren't folks on the waitlist in this thread).
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Yeah, I was and I'm trying to get WV residency so it's a bit different. There were still a few first hand OOSers on here that got in. I think some of them didn't even have super strong ties.
 
docadvisor said:
At least two students were accepted off of the wait list in earlier this year (2013) -- both of them were out-of-state.
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Yes, you were the 'somebody with second-hand information' I was referring too. Again, I believe you - my point was just that the acceptances were not off the big SDN waitlist in this thread.

Mountaineer12 said:
Yeah, I was and I'm trying to get WV residency so it's a bit different. There were still a few first hand OOSers on here that got in. I think some of them didn't even have super strong ties.
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I only see one from this year: Jay4188.



Overall I was just noting that it seems like the OOS acceptances are even more shrouded in mystery this year than in years previous. Where in the world are those 40+ acceptances???
 
I believe WVU is a school that initially WLs all OOS students. That's why essentially nobody has been accepted.

When Beth Ann says that she has to fill her class by March 15th for "AMCAS purposes," what she means is that all schools have to offer as many acceptances as there are spots in the class by March 15th. It's a rule made by AMCAS, just like we all have to pick one school by May 15th (you can look up the rules on google).

So, I do think that there will be a round of acceptances sent out here soon. They're probably picking their initial class right now, and letters will be sent out soon.

Also, I think the reason WVU and some other schools WL OOS people first is so that they minimize the number of people they accept who get into their state schools (or schools they'd prefer to attend). So, for example, if I got into one of my state schools, I would almost certainly withdraw all of my OOS applications so that I don't have to pay double the price for med school (who would?). In the US News rankings (which everyone cares about for whatever reason), schools are penalized when they accept students who do not end up attending their school.

So, it's all one big game. The schools are playing it. We're playing it. It's kind of sad and frustrating, but that's the way it is.

Here are three articles on it, if anyone is interested. I think it's interesting. It's what drives the whole process.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_gladwell

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/opinion/nocera-the-silly-list-everyone-cares-about.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/education/gaming-the-college-rankings.html
 
mujaman said:
Yes, you were the 'somebody with second-hand information' I was referring too. Again, I believe you - my point was just that the acceptances were not off the big SDN waitlist in this thread.



I only see one from this year: Jay4188.



Overall I was just noting that it seems like the OOS acceptances are even more shrouded in mystery this year than in years previous. Where in the world are those 40+ acceptances???
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My bad, I thought there were more. There's a chance that the majority (like 90% of so) of the acceptances they've sent out are IS and they fill from the waitlist with OOSers from ISers that decline the acceptance?
 
Thanks everyone for all your insight! Ya ill definitely send a primary. Do they send out secondaries pretty quickly? I know it depends all on when you apply, but ill be apply promptly most likely the first day of the app season. Thanks!
 
Equivocal20 said:
I believe WVU is a school that initially WLs all OOS students. That's why essentially nobody has been accepted.

When Beth Ann says that she has to fill her class by March 15th for "AMCAS purposes," what she means is that all schools have to offer as many acceptances as there are spots in the class by March 15th. It's a rule made by AMCAS, just like we all have to pick one school by May 15th (you can look up the rules on google).

So, I do think that there will be a round of acceptances sent out here soon. They're probably picking their initial class right now, and letters will be sent out soon.

Also, I think the reason WVU and some other schools WL OOS people first is so that they minimize the number of people they accept who get into their state schools (or schools they'd prefer to attend). So, for example, if I got into one of my state schools, I would almost certainly withdraw all of my OOS applications so that I don't have to pay double the price for med school (who would?). In the US News rankings (which everyone cares about for whatever reason), schools are penalized when they accept students who do not end up attending their school.

So, it's all one big game. The schools are playing it. We're playing it. It's kind of sad and frustrating, but that's the way it is.

Here are three articles on it, if anyone is interested. I think it's interesting. It's what drives the whole process.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_gladwell

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/opinion/nocera-the-silly-list-everyone-cares-about.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/education/gaming-the-college-rankings.html
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Reminds me of the Game of Thrones.

Just wondering, when can colleges see where we have been accepted.
 
Has anyone heard anything recently? Anyone? There's plenty of you on the waitlist and 'tis the season for movement.

I know last year some instaters were accepted off waitlist around this time. Don't know about the rest of us.

For me it's all silence.
 
silence for me too.

Did anybody else see the new admission statistics for 2014 off US News?

Does WVU already know those numbers?
 
clockwise said:
Has anyone heard anything recently? Anyone? There's plenty of you on the waitlist and 'tis the season for movement.

I know last year some instaters were accepted off waitlist around this time. Don't know about the rest of us.

For me it's all silence.
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I think they said movement could start next Monday after they send their first class list to AMCAS this Friday. I think most of the waitlist movement last year was after May 15th though.
 
Mountaineer12 said:
I think they said movement could start next Monday after they send their first class list to AMCAS this Friday. I think most of the waitlist movement last year was after May 15th though.
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what confuses me though is that

their first class list will consist of people who they have accepted but not those who are holding places in the class though right? because oos haven't been accepted yet right?
 
theherowedeserv said:
what confuses me though is that

their first class list will consist of people who they have accepted but not those who are holding places in the class though right? because oos haven't been accepted yet right?
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Maybe their initial class is almost all IS? And whenever the ISers give up their spot they fill it with a waitlister? I'm not really sure how it works at all, WVU is confusing!
 
good luck to everyone in the coming months! hopefully we'll hear something from them soon. there's still a chance for us!
 
theherowedeserv said:
what confuses me though is that

their first class list will consist of people who they have accepted but not those who are holding places in the class though right? because oos haven't been accepted yet right?
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This doesn't make any sense. Once accepted to any medical school, students have two weeks to respond. If they choose to hold a seat, they typically must pay a deposit. This does not necessarily mean they will ultimately matriculate at the school, but they are at least holding a seat.

And at least some OOS have been accepted. We are all speculating that more OOS will be accepted though in the coming weeks as they fill out the remainder of the class.

Mountaineer12 said:
Maybe their initial class is almost all IS? And whenever the ISers give up their spot they fill it with a waitlister? I'm not really sure how it works at all, WVU is confusing!
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There is no way it could work like this. What if none of the initial class list of IS only folks turned down the admission offer? WVU would then wind up with a class of 110 IS students - which does not happen.

The ratio of IS to OOS is set - about 60:40. They would have to initially form the class in this ratio and then continually fill in empty spots as IS and OOS people went on to turn down the offer and go elsewhere.
 
mujaman said:
This doesn't make any sense. Once accepted to any medical school, students have two weeks to respond. If they choose to hold a seat, they typically must pay a deposit. This does not necessarily mean they will ultimately matriculate at the school, but they are at least holding a seat.

And at least some OOS have been accepted. We are all speculating that more OOS will be accepted though in the coming weeks as they fill out the remainder of the class.



There is no way it could work like this. What if none of the initial class list of IS only folks turned down the admission offer? WVU would then wind up with a class of 110 IS students - which does not happen.

The ratio of IS to OOS is set - about 60:40. They would have to initially form the class in this ratio and then continually fill in empty spots as IS and OOS people went on to turn down the offer and go elsewhere.
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oh i was just commenting on how they could submit a roster if initial acceptances went out this week or next week. those people would have no time to respond
 
lol also i went back and counted. there were 2 OOS acceptances

dmac33 and jay4181

not sure about the numbers at the end of their screen names
 
mujaman said:
There is no way it could work like this. What if none of the initial class list of IS only folks turned down the admission offer? WVU would then wind up with a class of 110 IS students - which does not happen.

The ratio of IS to OOS is set - about 60:40. They would have to initially form the class in this ratio and then continually fill in empty spots as IS and OOS people went on to turn down the offer and go elsewhere.
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You could certainly be right, but I would think if the first class is already 60:40 and most of those waitlisted are OOS then the class would tip in favor of OOSers at the end of the cycle. I don't think the 60:40 ratio is something that is set in stone, but I could be 10000% wrong.
 
Mountaineer12 said:
You could certainly be right, but I would think if the first class is already 60:40 and most of those waitlisted are OOS then the class would tip in favor of OOSers at the end of the cycle. I don't think the 60:40 ratio is something that is set in stone, but I could be 10000% wrong.
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Yeah I doubt it is 'set in stone'... at least not to the extent of requiring exactly that ratio. It has been roughly that (65:35, 60:40, 55:45, etc.) for a number of years though, and again, I would think such a ratio would have to be more or less determined from a relatively early stage (i.e. by the time the initial class list is submitted). Obviously the earliest acceptances are mostly IS, especially from EDP, but surely by the end of March they must roughly have a 60:40 target well established.

You're right though too, this setup would somewhat 'favor' OOS students at the end of the cycle - in that they would account for the majority of the wait list movement. However, being an IS applicant in WV is statistically one of the best states to be from (https://www.aamc.org/download/321466/data/2012factstable5.pdf), so IS still have it pretty good🙂 I reckon there are essentially separate wait lists for both IS and OOS candidates, and that these can be dipped in to as needed.

The vast majority of IS accepted students in WV will keep their acceptance though and matriculate in state (notice in the link above... WV has the lowest - tied with SC - number of IS applicants that matriculate out of state) - so there is no need to really have a deep wait list for IS. The OOS wait list, on the other hand, seems to get quite large (250+).

Anyway... just speculating and mulling things over as I'm tired of waiting!
 
mujaman said:
Yeah I doubt it is 'set in stone'... at least not to the extent of requiring exactly that ratio. It has been roughly that (65:35, 60:40, 55:45, etc.) for a number of years though, and again, I would think such a ratio would have to be more or less determined from a relatively early stage (i.e. by the time the initial class list is submitted). Obviously the earliest acceptances are mostly IS, especially from EDP, but surely by the end of March they must roughly have a 60:40 target well established.

You're right though too, this setup would somewhat 'favor' OOS students at the end of the cycle - in that they would account for the majority of the wait list movement. However, being an IS applicant in WV is statistically one of the best states to be from (https://www.aamc.org/download/321466/data/2012factstable5.pdf), so IS still have it pretty good🙂 I reckon there are essentially separate wait lists for both IS and OOS candidates, and that these can be dipped in to as needed.

The vast majority of IS accepted students in WV will keep their acceptance though and matriculate in state (notice in the link above... WV has the lowest - tied with SC - number of IS applicants that matriculate out of state) - so there is no need to really have a deep wait list for IS. The OOS wait list, on the other hand, seems to get quite large (250+).

Anyway... just speculating and mulling things over as I'm tired of waiting!
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That makes a lot of sense. I wonder why SDN isn't represented in the OOS initial class list very much. Weird. I like speculating about this stuff too lol.
 
Mountaineer12 said:
That makes a lot of sense. I wonder why SDN isn't represented in the OOS initial class list very much. Weird. I like speculating about this stuff too lol.
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That's what I was musing about earlier. As of right now, only two SDN OOSers have reported an acceptance to WVU, while about 30 have indicated they are on the wait list - a decent enough proportion to expect that at least a few more would have been accepted!
 
theherowedeserv said:
oops,

i probably passed over it because on their profile it says Location: morgantown, wv

😳
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My situation is a little different because I did EDP, went to WVU for undergrad, and am spending my gap year here. The ADCOM know I'm trying to switch my residency too, so maybe I should count as half IS, half OOS 😛

I was thinking that if the initial list has 30-40% OOS maybe they're mostly OOS WVU alums as I know we make up a good percentage of the class. I don't think there are many Mountaineers on SDN. Just a thought.
 
Mountaineer12 said:
My situation is a little different because I did EDP, went to WVU for undergrad, and am spending my gap year here. The ADCOM know I'm trying to switch my residency too, so maybe I should count as half IS, half OOS 😛

I was thinking that if the initial list has 30-40% OOS maybe they're mostly OOS WVU alums as I know we make up a good percentage of the class. I don't think there are many Mountaineers on SDN. Just a thought.
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I had been wondering if a substantial number of the accepted oos would have attended WVU for undergrad. If that is true the number accepted OOS and non alum may be quite small...
 
addiekm07 said:
I had been wondering if a substantial number of the accepted oos would have attended WVU for undergrad. If that is true the number accepted OOS and non alum may be quite small...
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MSAR says that 48% of matriculants attended WVU for undergrad... so that's not too high of a percentage. The OOSers must be coming from other institutions too.
 
mujaman said:
MSAR says that 48% of matriculants attended WVU for undergrad... so that's not too high of a percentage. The OOSers must be coming from other institutions too.
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Thats about 50 students coming from WVU total.

That means about 54 seats from other places in WV and OOS.
 
mujaman said:
MSAR says that 48% of matriculants attended WVU for undergrad... so that's not too high of a percentage. The OOSers must be coming from other institutions too.
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That may mean a good number of the OOSers already accepted are from WVU or other WV undergrads and empty seats get filled with OOSers with less significant ties. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!
 
I'm OOS and was accepted in October! I went to undergrad in Maryland and currently work in Virginia, but I do have really strong ties to WV (like I grew up there and my entire family still lives there). Is there a Facebook group or anything for accepted students that are pretty sure they are going?

Good luck everyone!
 
theherowedeserv said:
Thats about 50 students coming from WVU total.

That means about 54 seats from other places in WV and OOS.
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Yeah, there are generally at least a few IS students randomly that attended other WV schools (Marshall, Tech, State, AB, etc.). However, there are also IS students that went OOS for undergrad and then return for medical school. I know at least a few in both the current first and second year classes.
 
Timshel24 said:
I'm OOS and was accepted in October! I went to undergrad in Maryland and currently work in Virginia, but I do have really strong ties to WV (like I grew up there and my entire family still lives there). Is there a Facebook group or anything for accepted students that are pretty sure they are going?

Good luck everyone!
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Here's the link! https://www.facebook.com/groups/396743070416808/
 
Has anyone received a call or anything? And has anyone sent an Letter of intent?
 
Haven't heard anything. I think someone mentioned that some might hear something on Monday.
 
Does anyone know if the committee still meet up after this to decide on the waitlist? I'm just wondering if my LOI will be read or if it will be skimmed over if I send one in.
 
azntonyking said:
Does anyone know if the committee still meet up after this to decide on the waitlist? I'm just wondering if my LOI will be read or if it will be skimmed over if I send one in.
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they'll probably meet to decide who gets off
 
azntonyking said:
Does anyone know if the committee still meet up after this to decide on the waitlist? I'm just wondering if my LOI will be read or if it will be skimmed over if I send one in.
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Can't answer for sure,but when I sent one in I got an email back from Beth Ann confirming she saw it and that she had updated my file accordingly. If they truly have no ranking of their waitlist as they claim, then they would have to meet to decide who come off of it, I would think.
 
addiekm07 said:
Can't answer for sure,but when I sent one in I got an email back from Beth Ann confirming she saw it and that she had updated my file accordingly. If they truly have no ranking of their waitlist as they claim, then they would have to meet to decide who come off of it, I would think.
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The waitlist is ranked, but its not disclosed to students.
 
jjbodean said:
The waitlist is ranked, but its not disclosed to students.
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That is kind of what I suspected, but is very frustrating that they withhold all information. Even knowing if you were in top half would be better than nothing
 
From skimming last years posts it sounds like the waitlist movement wasn't too great.Anyone info that would be contrary to that?
 
addiekm07 said:
From skimming last years posts it sounds like the waitlist movement wasn't too great.Anyone info that would be contrary to that?
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last year the last student came off the WL in june. the previous year it was the day before class started.
 
I'm OOS. accepted in January. Do you know if there is a second look day?
 
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