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Did anyone on the WL get invited to second look, like in previous years?
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...o-not-make-another-thread-about-this.1188853/2017 med school rankings came out and Penn is sitting at #3 tied with Hopkins and UCSF. Does anyone know what the ranking was last year or the year before?
Yeah I'm dying to know who matched whereAnyone have a residency match list for this year?
I mean, I'm sure it's phenomenal if the match list skip showed us from last year was any indication. Honestly though, and this is just me personally, I don't get what the point of reading into the match list at a top 5 school is. As long as you perform well you have a ton of doors open, but if you perform s hitty, you'll match s hitty.Yeah I'm dying to know who matched where
2017 med school rankings came out and Penn is sitting at #3 tied with Hopkins and UCSF. Does anyone know what the ranking was last year or the year before?
It's a shame financial aid info doesn't come out until after Penn Preview. You kind of have to go to other schools' revisits in case Penn doesn't work out financially. Anyone know if it's it just a time issue, or if there's some logical reason for them to wait?
Anyone have a residency match list for this year?
Yeah I'm dying to know who matched where
If anyone is curious this is our match list for 2016:
http://www.med.upenn.edu/student/Match2016.shtml
If anyone is curious this is our match list for 2016:
http://www.med.upenn.edu/student/Match2016.shtml
I would have never guessed that I could be sexually aroused by a list of schoolsIf anyone is curious this is our match list for 2016:
http://www.med.upenn.edu/student/Match2016.shtml
I believe someone mentioned it was 6 weeks and they took them at the end of second year after some of the shelf exams. I also recall skip saying that Penn has the highest average STEP averages in the country. Correct me if I am wrong, though.Does anybody know when the regular MD-only and MSTPs take step 1 + how much study time allotted?
According to USNWR, 246.
I remember at my interview day people were speculating that the high Step 1 scores may be due to the non Pass/Fail curriculum and that is why they are maybe reluctant to change it. What are you guys' thoughts?
Yeah that's what I remember too. It was after two rotations, and usually people do internal med and OBGYN-peds (that's what I was told at the diversity breakfast). I'm looking at the packet/info they gave us during interview right now and each block is 12 weeks, meaning a total of ~6 months. So I guess we take step 1 near the end of summer?
I was under the impression that regular MD take it during 3rd year (after all of Mod 4), but I forgot where I got that info from.
And yeah, I've heard multiple times, even at other schools, that Penn has the highest avg. Mostly attributed to the internal med shelf really prepares you for step 1.
I remember at my interview day people were speculating that the high Step 1 scores may be due to the non Pass/Fail curriculum and that is why they are maybe reluctant to change it. What are you guys' thoughts?
Wasn't there a statistic somewhere that the BS/PS sections correlated with Step 1 scores and VR correlated with step 2? Maybe I'm just making this up entirely but I could have sworn there was.They just changed the MCAT because multiple studies showed that you could score between a 24-39 on the MCAT with no predictability to STEP scores.
Medicine is first a science which is backed via facts, you should not start out your career with outlandish claims.
They just changed the MCAT because multiple studies showed that you could score between a 24-39 on the MCAT with no predictability to STEP scores.
Medicine is first a science which is backed via facts, you should not start out your career with outlandish claims.
Oh so it's so "outlandish" to think that someone scoring a 39 is more likely to do better on Step 1 than someone scoring a 24? In other words, since you think there is "no predictability," you believe someone scoring a 24 on the MCAT is equally likely to pass the Step 1 as that of someone scoring 39. If that were really the case, then there would be no point in taking the MCAT to being with...
Btw, here are multiple studies showing that, indeed, there is a statistically significant correlation between MCAT and Step 1 performance.
http://www.internationalgme.org/Resources/Pubs/Donnon et al (2007) Acad Med.pdf
It might not be a strong correlation (it's cited as a "small to medium" correlation in that meta-analysis*), but it is statistically significant. So no, I don't find my claim outlandish. Doing well on MCAT is associated with doing well on Step 1.
*To be precise, the predictive validity coefficient for the MCAT predicting Step 1 is r=.6. That's not low.
So for second look is there an option to stay at a hotel or is it pretty much 100% that we have to stay with student hosts? As much as I'd love to get to know future classmates, I'd prefer the freedom of being able to walk around with no pants on elbow deep in a jar of Nutella at 1am.
So for second look is there an option to stay at a hotel or is it pretty much 100% that we have to stay with student hosts? As much as I'd love to get to know future classmates, I'd prefer the freedom of being able to walk around with no pants on elbow deep in a jar of Nutella at 1am.
So I don't know exactly how they calculate it, but for me, I had zero expected family contribution and they gave me almost a full tuition scholarship (and loans to cover everything else). In my experience, the aid here is seriously some of the best in the country and totally blew away anything that other top 10 schools offered me. That'll vary for each person, but I would expect that you'll all get very competitive packages.Anyone know how financial aid at Penn works? Is it a unit loan of about 30k and then expected family contribution like a bunch of other schools?
I just asked an mstp friend and he said no. I didn't see anyone wearing a suit at anytime last year either.So should we bring a suit to penn preview for faculty meetings?
Edit: for MSTP faculty meetings
Anyone know how financial aid at Penn works? Is it a unit loan of about 30k and then expected family contribution like a bunch of other schools?
So should we bring a suit to penn preview for faculty meetings?
Edit: for MSTP faculty meetings
You are already IN.
@QuantumFlame - They don't mention partial scholarships anywhere. Do you know how many and what size?
Twenty-First Century Scholars Program
The Perelman School of Medicine also has scholarship programs recognizing student excellence. There are approximately 30 full tuition scholarships awarded annually. All students accepted into the Perelman School of Medicine are considered for this program. Selection criteria include: outstanding academic performance and achievement, a broad range of intellectual interests, demonstrated leadership, commitment to interests other than academic work, and unique life experiences that may contribute to a medical career.
MSTPs take their Step 1 after 6-months of clinicals, which is the end of their MS2/beginning of their PhD years. MD's take it after a full year of clinical, which is usually around Jan-Mar of their 3rd year. There is no set schedule, but the administration wants you to take it before May, so you can take it at any time before then and schedule yourself as much time as you need. I personally took 6 weeks, though I know people who took it in 5 and those who took like 12 weeks because they wanted to push it off.Does anybody know when the regular MD-only and MSTPs take step 1 + how much study time allotted?
In my opinion, it's because we take it after a whole year of clinicals. We are required to take NBME shelf exams for each clinical rotation, which I think gives us good practice for Step 1. All the hands-on learning you do on the clinics is really invaluable in providing a very strong framework in which to study for Step 1.I remember at my interview day people were speculating that the high Step 1 scores may be due to the non Pass/Fail curriculum and that is why they are maybe reluctant to change it. What are you guys' thoughts?
You are free to do entirely as you wish. Many of you guys are in a lucky spot, in which now the tables are turned and the schools are trying to beg you to come. Everything about Penn Preview is about selling the school to you guys.So for second look is there an option to stay at a hotel or is it pretty much 100% that we have to stay with student hosts? As much as I'd love to get to know future classmates, I'd prefer the freedom of being able to walk around with no pants on elbow deep in a jar of Nutella at 1am.
As others have mentioned, Penn specifically sets aside 35 full tuition merit based scholarships. This does not include a ton of partial merit-based scholarships or the very generous need-based scholarships available as well. While I don't know specifically the amount of number of the partial scholarships, I imagine many of you will be happy with your packages.Anyone know how financial aid at Penn works? Is it a unit loan of about 30k and then expected family contribution like a bunch of other schools?
Ran into a couple MS1s at the gym the other day and was told to "prepare my liver". Get psyched, guys!I feel like y'all need to be more excited about Penn Preview.
Then philly's gotta prepare for some inadvertent vandalism and stolen street signsRan into a couple MS1s at the gym the other day and was told to "prepare my liver". Get psyched, guys!
For hose of u lucky enough to be at Penn Preview, how's it going????
When will merit/financial aid awards for MD applicants?
Preview was amazing and all of the current students/prospective students were chill AF
I also recall skip saying that Penn has the highest average STEP averages in the country. Correct me if I am wrong, though.
They just changed the MCAT because multiple studies showed that you could score between a 24-39 on the MCAT with no predictability to STEP scores.
Medicine is first a science which is backed via facts, you should not start out your career with outlandish claims.
That is very unfortunate to hear, but it has nothing to do with the medical schoolIt's always extremely sad when this happens; hopefully the school admin can find a robust solution :-(.
http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ent_suicide__Penn_students_demand_action.html