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My guess is that

Assuming if they accepted 96 people due to the budget then if the class size was 132, they would automatically accept 36 more people making the waitlist the normal 120ish size.
 
Arturiase said:
My guess is that

Assuming if they accepted 96 people due to the budget then if the class size was 132, they would automatically accept 36 more people making the waitlist the normal 120ish size.
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I called to ask and they said they accepted 104 people with a waitlist of 150, but I don't know if the extra 8 people are part of the class or the first set of extras before the waitlist
 
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medschoolzombie said:
I called to ask and they said they accepted 104 people with a waitlist of 150, but I don't know if the extra 8 people are part of the class or the first set of extras before the waitlist
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When I was there Wednesday, they said that last week they found out that they will for sure have a class size of 104 at the least, so that's why they accepted that number, but any increases in class size beyond that are going to be determined when the official budget is decided. They said that they will increase the class size in increments of 8 (because that's the size of PBL groups--so 104 to 112 to 120 to 128) and they hope to be able to go up to the full 128.
 
What is mizzou’s alternate list movement like?
If you are in the top third, is that pretty promising usually....?🤔🤔
 
Letsbemd said:
What is mizzou’s alternate list movement like?
If you are in the top third, is that pretty promising usually....?🤔🤔
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From what I have seen from previous forums, normally Mizzou goes well into the 2nd third of their waiting list and maybe even into the final third. I believe that last year they had accepted 55 from their waiting list by May 15th with a lot of movement happening around April 30th. Some consider top third a deferred acceptance basically. Congrats on top 3rd! That's currently my status as well so fingers crossed!
 
H_Scheck said:
I just took another look at this I didn't know that they accepted 203 people last year . . . Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes. We received that same sheet in our packet from interview day. So that means that they took 75 off of the waiting list last year since their class size was 128. So they almost got through the second third of the wait list then.
 
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piano88keys said:
Yes. We received that same sheet in our packet from interview day. So that means that they took 75 off of the waiting list last year since their class size was 128. So they almost got through the second third of the wait list then.
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Let’s hope the demographic of our applying class is similar!
 
piano88keys said:
Yes. We received that same sheet in our packet from interview day. So that means that they took 75 off of the waiting list last year since their class size was 128. So they almost got through the second third of the wait list then.
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I think they got past the 2nd third. If you look at last years thread, several people in the bottom third got accepted. In the last 5 years, mizzou has had to go into their bottom third to fill the class so crossing my fingers for all of us.
 
Does anyone know if we should write a letter of intent for mizzou if waitlisted??
I saw that was the case for some schools but I was wondering if the same for mizzou even though we are ranked.
 
If we were accepted, do we request to join the fb group or do they add us??
 
Does anyone know when the National Health Service Corps scholarship deadline is? Can't find this in their website.
 
Just to poll the SDNers on here how many people that have MU as one of their top choices plan on having a roommate? This is for those both accepted and waiting for a decision.
 
Was the waitlist e-mail worded the same way as it had been in past years?
 
Can't seem to find on the website how pre-clinical years are graded. Anybody know if it's H/HP/P/F vs. P/F?
 
Hi all! I'm an M1 here at Mizzou happy to answer any questions you have for me!
 
Sk8Coa1 said:
I'm open to having a roommate or staying by myself. Would anyone who lives in Columbia be willing to share advice on location and places to live? Also, would any current students be willing to share what a daily class schedule looks like?
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Current M1 here 🙂

I would recommend finding a place that is for ages 22+, as Mizzou has a lot of undergrads who may or may not be louder than you wish to live by. The OME will send out a housing brochure once you get accepted with everyone's feedback! But there are several places near campus on Ashland Rd that are great. Several people also live at Katy Place, Kelly Highlands, or rent/own a house.

Class schedule for M1 is roughly:
M 8-12 Lecture and PBL; 1-4 IPC
T 8-12 Lecture or Anatomy
W 8-12 Lecture and PBL
R 8-12 Lecture or Anatomy
F 8-12 PBL
*with an additional 2 hour commitment sometime during the week for IPC small group
 
mgen95 said:
Current M1 here 🙂

I would recommend finding a place that is for ages 22+, as Mizzou has a lot of undergrads who may or may not be louder than you wish to live by. The OME will send out a housing brochure once you get accepted with everyone's feedback! But there are several places near campus on Ashland Rd that are great. Several people also live at Katy Place, Kelly Highlands, or rent/own a house.

Class schedule for M1 is roughly:
M 8-12 Lecture and PBL; 1-4 IPC
T 8-12 Lecture or Anatomy
W 8-12 Lecture and PBL
R 8-12 Lecture or Anatomy
F 8-12 PBL
*with an additional 2 hour commitment sometime during the week for IPC small group
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When does waitlist movement start to pick up?
 
Do they email you if you get accepted from the waitlist? I’m overseas right now so I can’t take calls
 
iLikeBike said:
Is the incoming class size determined yet?
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Like mentioned on this forum previously, current size is 104, but they'll increase by 8 up to 128 as funding comes through
 
medschoolzombie said:
When does waitlist movement start to pick up?
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Honestly any time. Near May 1, for sure, since people can only have one seat at that time, but there are people in my class who were accepted the week before orientation and are here now!
 
mgen95 said:
F 8-12 PBL
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Hey! Couple PBL questions:

1) Does one PBL case take you guys a few weeks to go through? Does your facilitator not give you the answer for some time? Do you have to parse through pubmed to find key ideas that relate to your case? Any chance you can give us a brief example of a PBL-like case?

2) Do you think that PBL type of learning (given a clinical paradigm, just like how Step questions are laid out) is a good way to prepare for Step 1?
 
Letsbemd said:
Also, if I get accepted (hehe) I should probably buy a car right? Is it difficult to get to class and stuff without one?
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While I certainly would recommend having a car, due to overall ease, it is not absolutely required. There are a few places (especially on Ashland Road) that are walkable from campus, as well as several places further away that have a regular bus system associated with the apartment complex that take regular trips to and from campus from pretty early in the morning to late at night.
 
blueshockey555 said:
Hey! Couple PBL questions:

1) Does one PBL case take you guys a few weeks to go through? Does your facilitator not give you the answer for some time? Do you have to parse through pubmed to find key ideas that relate to your case? Any chance you can give us a brief example of a PBL-like case?

2) Do you think that PBL type of learning (given a clinical paradigm, just like how Step questions are laid out) is a good way to prepare for Step 1?
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1. In general (with only 1 exception so far), we do 1 PBL case per week. Since we have 9 hours of meeting time scheduled per week, this is totally reasonable. On Monday, you generally get a history and physical, labs, and maybe some imaging or additional labs. Along the way, with each page, you and your group construct differential diagnoses for the patient, talk about findings, and decide what you would do next to further narrow your differential. You also identify topics that the group isn't super comfortable with, and then everyone gets assigned a topic to do an objective over for the next session. On Wednesday then everyone presents their learning objectives and then you get additional pages about the case, with more labs, imaging, findings, etc. as well as treatment, follow up visits, etc. At the end of Wednesday you get a list of faculty objectives, and everyone in the group splits those up to research before Friday. Friday the QB brings breakfast for the group and usually you just have to present your objectives, though sometimes there are additional pages (i.e. with more follow up or treatment or progression of the disease or an autopsy report). Then there is a case wrapup session with a physician so you can ask any additional questions you have and get a real life approach to this patient.

The facilitators are not supposed to necessarily straight up answer your questions, but there is a lot of variation in that (some will talk a lot, some won't say a word). For blocks 1 and 3 it's kinda nice to have someone who will do additional guiding, but blocks 2 and 4 that's not totally necessary. Most of the time someone in the group will know a little about the case, so you get through it! And that's the other great thing about objectives - you get to learn about the case throughout the week so even if you're confused on Day 1, usually by Wednesday or Friday you have a good handle on what's happening.

For objectives, yeah you have to do research, and they prefer that you use primary sources (though most of us use textbooks and its totally fine). Pubmed is one option, though we have access to several different databases that are probably more accessible and useful for the scope of objectives (i.e. AccessMedicine, UptoDate, Dynamed, ClinicalKey, etc.). They really aren't as scary as they may sound coming in - I only spend about 2-3 hours on mine, and I feel sufficiently like an "expert" on the topic before my presentation.

I can't really give away any specifics about cases we've covered as you all will likely do similar ones next year! In general, just imagine any given medical case presented in the format I outlined above. (THIS WAS NOT A CASE, I AM MAKING IT UP) Say you have someone present with shortness of breath. Here your DDx could be large: PE, Pneumonia, COPD, asthma, CV issues, obesity, etc. Your history and physical reveals, among other things, that the patient also has a fever, lower lobe lung consolidation and rales, etc. After this, you've probably narrowed your DDX to more lung related, infectious issues. You get labs next, showing elevated white count. You might be wanting to do a CXR next. Sure enough, next page is a CXR, which shows lower lobe infiltrates indicative of pneumonia. That's usually Monday, then you do objectives for Wednesday. Then Wednesday you may get culture results, learn about the antibiotic treatment that was selected, etc. Just as an example.

2. I personally love PBL. It is a great way to learn, not only for Step 1 but also for future clinical practice. Early exposure to a clinical way of thinking is huge. Plus Step 1 average of 241 speaks for itself...
 
mgen95 said:
1. In general (with only 1 exception so far), we do 1 PBL case per week. Since we have 9 hours of meeting time scheduled per week, this is totally reasonable. On Monday, you generally get a history and physical, labs, and maybe some imaging or additional labs. Along the way, with each page, you and your group construct differential diagnoses for the patient, talk about findings, and decide what you would do next to further narrow your differential. You also identify topics that the group isn't super comfortable with, and then everyone gets assigned a topic to do an objective over for the next session. On Wednesday then everyone presents their learning objectives and then you get additional pages about the case, with more labs, imaging, findings, etc. as well as treatment, follow up visits, etc. At the end of Wednesday you get a list of faculty objectives, and everyone in the group splits those up to research before Friday. Friday the QB brings breakfast for the group and usually you just have to present your objectives, though sometimes there are additional pages (i.e. with more follow up or treatment or progression of the disease or an autopsy report). Then there is a case wrapup session with a physician so you can ask any additional questions you have and get a real life approach to this patient.

The facilitators are not supposed to necessarily straight up answer your questions, but there is a lot of variation in that (some will talk a lot, some won't say a word). For blocks 1 and 3 it's kinda nice to have someone who will do additional guiding, but blocks 2 and 4 that's not totally necessary. Most of the time someone in the group will know a little about the case, so you get through it! And that's the other great thing about objectives - you get to learn about the case throughout the week so even if you're confused on Day 1, usually by Wednesday or Friday you have a good handle on what's happening.

For objectives, yeah you have to do research, and they prefer that you use primary sources (though most of us use textbooks and its totally fine). Pubmed is one option, though we have access to several different databases that are probably more accessible and useful for the scope of objectives (i.e. AccessMedicine, UptoDate, Dynamed, ClinicalKey, etc.). They really aren't as scary as they may sound coming in - I only spend about 2-3 hours on mine, and I feel sufficiently like an "expert" on the topic before my presentation.

I can't really give away any specifics about cases we've covered as you all will likely do similar ones next year! In general, just imagine any given medical case presented in the format I outlined above. (THIS WAS NOT A CASE, I AM MAKING IT UP) Say you have someone present with shortness of breath. Here your DDx could be large: PE, Pneumonia, COPD, asthma, CV issues, obesity, etc. Your history and physical reveals, among other things, that the patient also has a fever, lower lobe lung consolidation and rales, etc. After this, you've probably narrowed your DDX to more lung related, infectious issues. You get labs next, showing elevated white count. You might be wanting to do a CXR next. Sure enough, next page is a CXR, which shows lower lobe infiltrates indicative of pneumonia. That's usually Monday, then you do objectives for Wednesday. Then Wednesday you may get culture results, learn about the antibiotic treatment that was selected, etc. Just as an example.

2. I personally love PBL. It is a great way to learn, not only for Step 1 but also for future clinical practice. Early exposure to a clinical way of thinking is huge. Plus Step 1 average of 241 speaks for itself...
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This is Great!! Thank you 🙂
 
blueshockey555 said:
Thank you for the thorough reply, that is exactly what I was looking for.

Do you credit the high avg step score solely/mostly to PBL type learning?
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PBL is a huge factor, yes. If you look at the graph of our scores, we were significantly below average before the early 90's. The year that PBL was implemented, we jumped to the national average, and every year after we've been above, ranging from 2-12+ points above the national average. I took my stat classes though, so I know correlation does not equal causation. It could also be that people now can study for about 6 months before taking it, having access to better resources now, etc. I don't know for sure. But PBL is still incredible. I would hate sitting in lecture all day.
 
blueshockey555 said:
Thank you for the thorough reply, that is exactly what I was looking for.

Do you credit the high avg step score solely/mostly to PBL type learning?
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Oh, additionally, we are tested using board-style questions starting Block 1. Our exams are also 9 hours long, so it helps get you ready for the rigor of Step 1. I think this was started around the same time as PBL, so it likely is a factor in our success as well.
 
mgen95 said:
Oh, additionally, we are tested using board-style questions starting Block 1. Our exams are also 9 hours long, so it helps get you ready for the rigor of Step 1. I think this was started around the same time as PBL, so it likely is a factor in our success as well.
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Are the PBL cases each week based on the relevant body systems we learn during that week?
Also are the lectures focused on high yield step 1 topics?
 
Letsbemd said:
Are the PBL cases each week based on the relevant body systems we learn during that week?
Also are the lectures focused on high yield step 1 topics?
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In general, they try to tie the cases with the lectures for the week. Some blocks that works better than others.

TBH, most of the lectures during M1 are given by PhD's who like to talk about their work and what they think is cool. There are a lot of topics that are high yield and a lot that aren't. M2 year the lectures are structured more around what is high yield, from what I understand. The nice thing with our curriculum is that there is a lot of repetition with concepts, so even if you don't learn everything that is the most high yield from the first pass, it will usually be revisited.
 
mgen95 said:
In general, they try to tie the cases with the lectures for the week. Some blocks that works better than others.

TBH, most of the lectures during M1 are given by PhD's who like to talk about their work and what they think is cool. There are a lot of topics that are high yield and a lot that aren't. M2 year the lectures are structured more around what is high yield, from what I understand. The nice thing with our curriculum is that there is a lot of repetition with concepts, so even if you don't learn everything that is the most high yield from the first pass, it will usually be revisited.
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Thank you for the thorough response!!
Also how would you describe the studying environment- is it competitive or more of students all trying to get through med school together/ collaborative?
 
Letsbemd said:
Thank you for the thorough response!!
Also how would you describe the studying environment- is it competitive or more of students all trying to get through med school together/ collaborative?
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It is absolutely collaborative. We have a class page where everyone shares all their study guides and everything they make. We aren't ranked or given grades, so no one really feels the need to be better than anyone else. There are always a few that are competitive (this is med school after all), but it's not a big factor.
 
mgen95 said:
Hi all! I'm an M1 here at Mizzou happy to answer any questions you have for me!
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Thanks! How do you like PBL? My main concern is that one might feel lost in what it is you need to learn.
 
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