Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
I would say that it hasn’t varied much beyond highly incompetent. Do people make noise about this? I would be embarrassed if I was the Dean and people spoke about my work this way. Do they just not care that they look like bafoons? I don’t want my training to be questioned when I’m applying for residencies, yet I’m already questioning it myself. Am I risking a huge opportunity cost here by choosing Wayne? They are really sowing the seeds of doubt and regret early on, which is incredibly concerning.
I don't know all the details regarding residency applications but given their matching this year was 98.2% (I don't think data on whether they were first choice or not are available), I would imagine and hope that Wayne training isn't an issue later on. However, I mean, at the end of the day, medical school is a such a privilege and students are incredibly desperate to get in that they could basically do whatever they want. These are the circumstances that make it "acceptable" for a school to send out an acceptance the Friday before school starts, even to students who are OOS and haven't put down an apartment deposit because they can't afford to.

It's supremely messed up and unprofessional on so many levels but I think this is why it is that way. It sucks.
 
Feb 21, 2018
212
347
I would say that it hasn’t varied much beyond highly incompetent. Do people make noise about this? I would be embarrassed if I was the Dean and people spoke about my work this way. Do they just not care that they look like bafoons? I don’t want my training to be questioned when I’m applying for residencies, yet I’m already questioning it myself. Am I risking a huge opportunity cost here by choosing Wayne? They are really sowing the seeds of doubt and regret early on, which is incredibly concerning.
I don’t want to sway you either way because that’s not fair and don’t know your situation. But if you want to PM me I can answer any specific questions you may have that might help serve you better. People do speak out but eventually you have to choose between fighting the good fight and making sure you succeed. Energy is limited, especially for this bs while in med school, so most take the high road and try to power through. That’s why it’s an never ending cycle.
 
Feb 25, 2018
28
37
I don't know all the details regarding residency applications but given their matching this year was 98.2% (I don't think data on whether they were first choice or not are available), I would imagine and hope that Wayne training isn't an issue later on. However, I mean, at the end of the day, medical school is a such a privilege and students are incredibly desperate to get in that they could basically do whatever they want. These are the circumstances that make it "acceptable" for a school to send out an acceptance the Friday before school starts, even to students who are OOS and haven't put down an apartment deposit because they can't afford to.

It's supremely messed up and unprofessional on so many levels but I think this is why it is that way. It sucks.
Most things in life are a privilege. I don’t consider that a valid argument to accepting the status quo. Match rates are not good indicators of securing a desired residency post degree. Schools can advertise that all they want, but it’s a misleading number.

Anyways, I appreciate the words. Hopefully the administration can find ways to improve.
 
Mar 15, 2019
53
46
Status
Pre-Medical
I’m gonna put this out there:

My parents are both doctors in Detroit who encounter many many residents from all over the country who come through the programs here. Every single doctor I have talked to, whether they are OB/GYN, radiology, surgery, you name it, they all say that Wayne State students have the best training of all the residents they encounter. My dad bitches out many residents all the time (because that’s the kind of doc he is >.>) and even he says the Wayne State students are the most adept and prepared for their specialties.

Take in in the sense that thou wilt, but despite all the clown fiesta drudgery that is going on at the moment, the students are coming out of it still at the top of their games.
 
Oct 3, 2018
65
73
I’m gonna put this out there:

My parents are both doctors in Detroit who encounter many many residents from all over the country who come through the programs here. Every single doctor I have talked to, whether they are OB/GYN, radiology, surgery, you name it, they all say that Wayne State students have the best training of all the residents they encounter. My dad bitches out many residents all the time (because that’s the kind of doc he is >.>) and even he says the Wayne State students are the most adept and prepared for their specialties.

Take in in the sense that thou wilt, but despite all the clown fiesta drudgery that is going on at the moment, the students are coming out of it still at the top of their games.
I've heard this from so many doctors as well. The fact that they have an ultrasound curriculum alone puts us so ahead of the game. An orthopod I know in Jersey did his residency/fellowship (i forget which one) at DMC and he said it was the best training in the world because of what he was able to do/see. He said Wayne is top-tier for preparing students to become physicians.
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
I’m gonna put this out there:

My parents are both doctors in Detroit who encounter many many residents from all over the country who come through the programs here. Every single doctor I have talked to, whether they are OB/GYN, radiology, surgery, you name it, they all say that Wayne State students have the best training of all the residents they encounter. My dad bitches out many residents all the time (because that’s the kind of doc he is >.>) and even he says the Wayne State students are the most adept and prepared for their specialties.

Take in in the sense that thou wilt, but despite all the clown fiesta drudgery that is going on at the moment, the students are coming out of it still at the top of their games.
Don't make me want to go even more!! I'm already going to be depressed AF when July 15th finally rolls around with an empty inbox... *sniff* ;)

But for real, I've heard the same and given I'm so insecure about myself, I feel like I would actually have a shot at a decent residency by going here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: pascale92

physiogirl2019

2+ Year Member
Feb 26, 2017
92
127
Status
Pre-Medical
yeah... imo organizational problems within administration are a very very small price to pay for the insane experience Wayne provides for med students... every doctor i personally know within the Detroit area have all told me and my family to pick Wayne over anywhere else in Michigan. residencies apparently love Wayne med students because of how much they end up seeing and experiencing in Detroit. Future applicants: don't let administration scare you!! Like I said, it's a very small price to pay for the world-class education you'd receive at this school :D
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
I've heard this from so many doctors as well. The fact that they have an ultrasound curriculum alone puts us so ahead of the game. An orthopod I know in Jersey did his residency/fellowship (i forget which one) at DMC and he said it was the best training in the world because of what he was able to do/see. He said Wayne is top-tier for preparing students to become physicians.
I don't know if this is related or not, but one of the med students that talked to us during interview day said that in his first year, he volunteered to work in the trauma center. He said within 20 minutes of setting foot there, he was already doing CPR on someone. From the research I did for the secondaries, I definitely saw the coded "get in the trenches" to learn medicine sentences but I guess it's true. And to the students' benefit
 
Apr 30, 2019
26
35
Ughh you guys are killing me!!! Would any of you choose Drexel over Wayne by any chance? (Let’s leave tuition out because it’s similar in both place)
 
May 17, 2019
33
89
Status
Medical Student
Ughh you guys are killing me!!! Would any of you choose Drexel over Wayne by any chance? (Let’s leave tuition out because it’s similar in both place)
I personally wouldn't because I love the area, want to stay in Michigan, and I have many support systems surrounding the area. I think they both offer opportunities to serve the underserved. If you want to match in Michigan/ midwest Wayne is a great choice. I'm not super familiar with Drexel's match list but I would assume there are many matches on the east coast. I think you would do well at whichever one you choose.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Luckyivy

physiogirl2019

2+ Year Member
Feb 26, 2017
92
127
Status
Pre-Medical
Ughh you guys are killing me!!! Would any of you choose Drexel over Wayne by any chance? (Let’s leave tuition out because it’s similar in both place)

i interviewed at both and i think i would for sure pick wayne over drexel. 1. location (wayne you're in the city, drexel you're basically in the suburbs) and 2. theres no cell service at drexel LOL. but other than that, i think they are very similar schools in terms of mission.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Luckyivy

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Even though this may ultimately be useless to me, I'm glad to see reinforcement of the CTE since there's the impression schools arent given the power to do so. Maybe this will give Wayne a better idea of how many spots are left
 
Feb 21, 2018
212
347
yeah... imo organizational problems within administration are a very very small price to pay for the insane experience Wayne provides for med students... every doctor i personally know within the Detroit area have all told me and my family to pick Wayne over anywhere else in Michigan. residencies apparently love Wayne med students because of how much they end up seeing and experiencing in Detroit. Future applicants: don't let administration scare you!! Like I said, it's a very small price to pay for the world-class education you'd receive at this school :D
I completely agree that Wayne Grads do well in residency matching and beyond, but I think very little credit should actually go to the school itself. It’s more about being in an urban area and seeing medicine during rotations that so many others would never see. And having so many hospital systems in one area. And students becoming so self reliant from incompetence that it bodes well for the real world. Detroit even had a VRSA outbreak a few years back which is unheard of normally speaking. So students are a product of the environment, not the school. It’s really not asking much to make a more streamlined interview and application process and make administration become a little more accountable. Although it seems like a small price to pay, you’re actually paying them close to $300,000 in most cases.
 

physiogirl2019

2+ Year Member
Feb 26, 2017
92
127
Status
Pre-Medical
I completely agree that Wayne Grads do well in residency matching and beyond, but I think very little credit should actually go to the school itself. It’s more about being in an urban area and seeing medicine during rotations that so many others would never see. And having so many hospital systems in one area. And students becoming so self reliant from incompetence that it bodes well for the real world. Detroit even had a VRSA outbreak a few years back which is unheard of normally speaking. So students are a product of the environment, not the school. It’s really not asking much to make a more streamlined interview and application process and make administration become a little more accountable. Although it seems like a small price to pay, you’re actually paying them close to $300,000 in most cases.
fosho, i agree with you.

wayne is a fabulous school bc of where its located and its resources. i guess the issues they do have don't bother me as much due to these reasons. but for sure the administrative problems need to be addressed, its ridiculous at this point. i just don't think that alone should sway someones decision of coming here
 
Aug 27, 2018
93
124
Status
Pre-Medical
My financial aid package is up. It must’ve just gone up because I checked this morning and it wasn’t
 
  • Like
Reactions: luckione1515

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Ok, I'm really getting into a neurotically anxious phase and want to just send in a blurb (a few sentences) reiterating that I am ready to drop everything and go here. Just to be sure, should I address the blurb as "Dear Dr. Kevin Sprague" (the associate dean of admissions) or "Dear Admissions Committee" (although I've seen online to NOT address it like this)?
 
May 26, 2018
29
33
Status
Medical Student (Accepted)
Ok, I'm really getting into a neurotically anxious phase and want to just send in a blurb (a few sentences) reiterating that I am ready to drop everything and go here. Just to be sure, should I address the blurb as "Dear Dr. Kevin Sprague" (the associate dean of admissions) or "Dear Admissions Committee" (although I've seen online to NOT address it like this)?
Unless you know the associate dean, it seems odd to address the letter to him specifically without being advised to do so.
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Unless you know the associate dean, it seems odd to address the letter to him specifically without being advised to do so.
Funny enough, I found some templates online where they said to address it to whoever is in charge of the admissions committee. Should I address it as "Dear Admissions Committee" then?
 
Feb 21, 2018
212
347
Funny enough, I found some templates online where they said to address it to whoever is in charge of the admissions committee. Should I address it as "Dear Admissions Committee" then?
I wouldn’t even waste your time as it’s highly unlikely to reach the admisssions committee in less than two weeks and affect their decision by now. Also Kevin Sprague is supposed to be a non-voting member and isn’t technically apart of the admissions committee. The adcom will start accepting people by phone shortly so the best that we can hope for is that they start accepting nearby applicants. Giving an OOS applicant two weeks notice would be pretty ridiculous for a public school.
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
I wouldn’t even waste your time as it’s highly unlikely to reach the admisssions committee in less than two weeks and affect their decision by now. Also Kevin Sprague is supposed to be a non-voting member and isn’t technically apart of the admissions committee. The adcom will start accepting people by phone shortly so the best that we can hope for is that they start accepting nearby applicants. Giving an OOS applicant two weeks notice would be pretty ridiculous for a public school.
Well, f**k, I addressed my LOI to him following online advice. Guess I should just kick back and accept the end of the road.

And as an OOS (CA specifically), I agree it would be ridiculous but I wouldnt be totally honest if I said I'm not wiling to live in an air bnb/extended stay or even my car for the first two weeks of school before starting a lease in August :confused:1o_O:wacky:
 
  • Like
Reactions: theflyingpepino
Mar 15, 2019
53
46
Status
Pre-Medical
Well, f**k, I addressed my LOI to him following online advice. Guess I should just kick back and accept the end of the road.

And as an OOS (CA specifically), I agree it would be ridiculous but I wouldnt be totally honest if I said I'm not wiling to live in an air bnb/extended stay or even my car for the first two weeks of school before starting a lease in August :confused:1o_O:wacky:
I don’t see anything wrong with adressing it directly to him. IMO worst case scenerio is that it’s not him that reads it but an underling. I re-sent my LOI with an updated paragraph to talk about all the scribe work I’ve been doing lately and 2 weeks later I was accepted. Keep trying, putting your name out there is better than sitting on your ass like some people just do. Again, worst case scenerio is that it does nothing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tetines of Paris

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
I don’t see anything wrong with adressing it directly to him. IMO worst case scenerio is that it’s not him that reads it but an underling. I re-sent my LOI with an updated paragraph to talk about all the scribe work I’ve been doing lately and 2 weeks later I was accepted. Keep trying, putting your name out there is better than sitting on your ass like some people just do. Again, worst case scenerio is that it does nothing.
True, I guess I don't have much to lose since it's getting close to the end. I'll probably just send in a paragraph blurb reiterating that I'm ready to go now if necessary. Who did you address your LOIs to?
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Screw it, just uploaded my last plea to get in. Don't have much hope so just going to try to use these next two weeks to brace myself for the crash after July 15th.

Is it for sure just going to be calls from now on?
 
Feb 21, 2018
212
347
Screw it, just uploaded my last plea to get in. Don't have much hope so just going to try to use these next two weeks to brace myself for the crash after July 15th.

Is it for sure just going to be calls from now on?
Can’t say for sure but I remember from a previous cycle that they start calling in the 3 week range. They need to know ASAP if you plan on accepting and you get I think 2 days to decide before they move on to the next person. How this will all work out with financial aid and ordering things, I have no clue. What you can do though is make sure all your immunizations are completed and documented. Those take a while and some require two TB tests.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tetines of Paris

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Can’t say for sure but I remember from a previous cycle that they start calling in the 3 week range. They need to know ASAP if you plan on accepting and you get I think 2 days to decide before they move on to the next person. How this will all work out with financial aid and ordering things, I have no clue. What you can do though is make sure all your immunizations are completed and documented. Those take a while and some require two TB tests.
Yea, I've started FAFSA and will take a look at immunizations.

@MedicineN'Jazz do u remember if u got a call or email?
 
Feb 21, 2018
212
347
Phone or email? Some years ago a friend of mine got the call literally second day of class. She failed the first exam, but is rocking downtown Detroit now as a pediatric neurologist
I mentioned this sometime last year about being accepted late. Then someone called admissions and they claimed never in the history of Wayne State has anyone been accepted after orientation started. So naturally everyone said I was spreading false info and went nuts on the thread. What a school man, what a school.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: HouseM.D.
Jun 25, 2019
43
40
Status
Pre-Health (Field Undecided)
I mentioned this sometime last year about being accepted late. Then someone called admissions and they claimed never in the history of Wayne State has anyone been accepted after orientation started. So naturally everyone said I was spreading false info and went nuts on the thread. What a school man, what a school.
That's cause you're from HR.
 

Tetines of Paris

2+ Year Member
Jan 16, 2016
117
199
Man yall have no idea how much I'm banking on ppl having told us on this forum that they got in two weeks or sooner before school started.

I wonder if they're only going to be giving acceptances on Fridays?
 
Jan 6, 2019
7
5
So to keep things in perspective for current waitlisters, when does orientation start? Is it July 9th?

Edit: The website says last year's was July 25th.. shall we assume it's the same this year?