2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

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KayBee01 said:
Also, is it common practice to lose eligibility for scholarships if you're accepted off the waitlist? I was accepted off the waitlist to one of my top schools with a 90-100k annual CoA...but I also have a full ride offer to another school that I don't like as much 🙁 Ugh...is all hope lost?
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not to be rude, but I wish I had your problem...
 
KayBee01 said:
Also, is it common practice to lose eligibility for scholarships if you're accepted off the waitlist? I was accepted off the waitlist to one of my top schools with a 90-100k annual CoA...but I also have a full ride offer to another school that I don't like as much 🙁 Ugh...is all hope lost?
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It's not about losing eligibility. It's more about money already being distributed, and, if you are talking about merit money, it's likely that people who were accepted ahead of you would be offered it first. That said, funds do open back up when people who have received them withdraw, and it's not unheard of for people accepted from WLs to be offered money.

All hope is not lost, but it's HIGHLY unlikely that you will receive a full ride off a WL, so you need to figure out, fast, just how much less you like your full ride school. I honestly can't imagine there is ANY school I'd like $400k more than ANY other school, but, YMMV.
 
Rheopecty said:
School dependent. Some redistribute, some don't.
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True, but, even when they redistribute, they don't always redistribute to newbies coming off the WL. They sometimes actually redistribute to those already PTE, or even CTE.
 
Thanks y'all. I'm very grateful for the full ride, but it's kind of a weird situation. I'm not hoping so much for a full ride from the other school, but just something to reduce the cost to something ever so slightly less terrible.
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
I had a realization that every WL acceptance eventually goes to someone with no acceptances sooner or later, which is oddly comforting..
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Is there any data to support the notion that A's off the WL after April 30th are given primarily to those with no A's (those who have not PTE'd to another school)?
 
tunaktunak said:
Is there any data to support the notion that A's off the WL after April 30th are given primarily to those with no A's (those who have not PTE'd to another school)?
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Not that I've heard of. Then ranked lists wouldn't exist nor would applicants with multiple acceptances. Imagine tho! That'd be a dream. But alas we live in a world created by AAMC.
 
tunaktunak said:
Is there any data to support the notion that A's off the WL after April 30th are given primarily to those with no A's (those who have not PTE'd to another school)?
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if it's given to someone with an A, they'd have to drop the A they were given or drop the initial A so it will all eventually trickle down to someone with no As if that makes sense...
 
Are schools able to see if you don't have any acceptances (i.e. PTE'd a school already) or aren't on any other waitlists? Aka can they tell if you're their first and only choice? I'm not sure how either version is perceived
 
wegotthis20201234 said:
Are schools able to see if you don't have any acceptances (i.e. PTE'd a school already) or aren't on any other waitlists? Aka can they tell if you're their first and only choice? I'm not sure how either version is perceived
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They can see you have no As, but not that they are your only choice (someone correct me if Im wrong).

Personally I think its worse to have no As cause they might think something is wrong with you if every school passed on giving you an A...
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
They can see you have no As, but not that they are your only choice (someone correct me if Im wrong).

Personally I think its worse to have no As cause they might think something is wrong with you if every school passed on giving you an A...
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But what if you only got 1 interview? Also, how would they know if you're on other WLs? Or are you saying simply having no As looks a lil sus?
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
They can see you have no As, but not that they are your only choice (someone correct me if Im wrong).

Personally I think its worse to have no As cause they might think something is wrong with you if every school passed on giving you an A...
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Many fine candidates have no A's.
 
Does this also depend on the tier of the school? Eg would a T10 look more down on having no A's than a lower-tier
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
Personally I think its worse to have no As cause they might think something is wrong with you if every school passed on giving you an A...
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Do you think this would impact adcom decisions? I guess they could take people of the waitlist who have an A at another school because of this (thinking that they are a better candidate than those WL candidates with no A).

I agree with you btw, if they see that you have no A, then that might indicate to them that you aren’t quite good enough since you did not get any A.
 
atdr2020 said:
Do you think this would impact adcom decisions? I guess they could take people of the waitlist who have an A at another school because of this (thinking that they are a better candidate than those WL candidates with no A).

I agree with you btw, if they see that you have no A, then that might indicate to them that you aren’t quite good enough since you did not get any A.
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The funny thing is eventually any WL A HAS to go to someone with no As. I suspect many state schools ends up sweeping up the apps who havnt been Aed elsewhere...
 
KnightDoc said:
They do know right now, and have known since 4/30. They don't care. Remember, they know who on the WL is PTE elsewhere.

They all want whoever they deem is the best candidate. The successive waves ultimately sort themselves out.
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nah I wish it was sooner meaning like Jan, not the april 30th date.
 
FluffyCat1212 said:
Thanks y'all. I'm very grateful for the full ride, but it's kind of a weird situation. I'm not hoping so much for a full ride from the other school, but just something to reduce the cost to something ever so slightly less terrible.
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Do you have financial need? If not, it's extremely unlikely merit money will come close to closing a $400K gap. Even $25K/yr would be huge, and still would not come close.
 
tunaktunak said:
Is there any data to support the notion that A's off the WL after April 30th are given primarily to those with no A's (those who have not PTE'd to another school)?
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No, because it doesn't happen. What does happen is that every A after 4/30 HAS to result in someone, somewhere, receiving an A who didn't have one before, because each excess A ultimately has to be relinquished, since no one can occupy more than one seat once classes begin! 🙂
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
They can see you have no As, but not that they are your only choice (someone correct me if Im wrong).

Personally I think its worse to have no As cause they might think something is wrong with you if every school passed on giving you an A...
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You are correct in the first sentence. They don't think anything if you aren't PTE anywhere. Little known fun fact -- every school does NOT require a PTE selection, so, there actually are people out there, right now, with an A that WL schools cannot see.
 
Microbe_Hunter said:
The funny thing is eventually any WL A HAS to go to someone with no As. I suspect many state schools ends up sweeping up the apps who havnt been Aed elsewhere...
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Why do you suspect this? Due to the cost differential, state schools have among the highest yields and the least WL movement, at least among IS applicants. Late withdrawals tend to be at high cost schools (low and mid tier OOS public and private schools) when people receive higher tier and/or lower cost alternatives.

The biggest last minute movement is consistently at the low tier, expensive private schools, MD and DO. DO schools built a business around extracting large, non-refundable deposits knowing that this happens every year.
 
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stormcloakdoctor said:
The sun'll come out... tomorrow....

Bet your bottom dollar that, tomorrow...
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stormcloakdoctor said:
There'll be sun...
Just thinkin' about, tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs and the sorrow
'Til there's none
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stormcloakdoctor said:
When I'm stuck a with day that's gray and lonely

I just stick out my chin and grin, and say, oh...
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stormcloakdoctor said:
The sun'll come out, tomorrow
So you gotta hang on 'til tomorrow
Come what may
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Tomorrow, tomorrow
I love ya tomorrow
You're always a day away
 
KnightDoc said:
Why do you suspect this? Due to the cost differential, state schools have among the highest yields and the least WL movement, at least among IS applicants. Late withdrawals tend to be at high cost schools (low and mid tier OOS public and private schools) when people receive higher tier and/or lower cost alternatives.

The biggest last minute movement is consistently at the low tier, expensive private schools, MD and DO. DO schools built a business around extracting large, non-refundable deposits knowing that this happens every year.
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Where did you find evidence for the bolded statement?
 
jamaica jan sun princess said:
Where did you find evidence for the bolded statement?
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Secret sauce! 😎

They are my own calculations, based off published data for specific schools I am looking at. In almost every case, state school IS yields are off the charts. High yields necessarily lead to low WL movement, pretty much regardless of how conservative adcoms are with initial As.

This makes perfect sense -- public schools tend to be more giving regarding lower stats for IS applicants, and they tend to be a lot less expensive than the alternatives for IS applicants. If this doesn't make sense to you, please feel free to ignore it because no, I did not find a website or AAMC table I can point you to that contains this information.
 
KnightDoc said:
Secret sauce! 😎

They are my own calculations, based off published data for specific schools I am looking at. In almost every case, state school IS yields are off the charts. High yields necessarily lead to low WL movement, pretty much regardless of how conservative adcoms are with initial As.

This makes perfect sense -- public schools tend to be more giving regarding lower stats for IS applicants, and they tend to be a lot less expensive than the alternatives for IS applicants. If this doesn't make sense to you, please feel free to ignore it because no, I did not find a website or AAMC table I can point you to that contains this information.
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n=1 but at my state school the yield was extremely low and I ended up getting accepted off the mid priority list after about 150 people had dropped their As or their WL statuses. It's a pretty decent school too, not super prestigious but quite well known and really cheap in state. Meanwhile at my out of state private school WL there has been literally zero movement. Both schools overenroll too so I don't get why its so different.
 
KnightDoc said:
Secret sauce! 😎

They are my own calculations, based off published data for specific schools I am looking at. In almost every case, state school IS yields are off the charts. High yields necessarily lead to low WL movement, pretty much regardless of how conservative adcoms are with initial As.

This makes perfect sense -- public schools tend to be more giving regarding lower stats for IS applicants, and they tend to be a lot less expensive than the alternatives for IS applicants. If this doesn't make sense to you, please feel free to ignore it because no, I did not find a website or AAMC table I can point you to that contains this information.
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I asked because a quick scan of the 2022 MSAR Waitlist Procedures doesn't support your conclusion. State schools generally appear to have significant waitlist movement.
 
ilovelisa said:
n=1 but at my state school the yield was extremely low and I ended up getting accepted off the mid priority list after about 150 people had dropped their As or their WL statuses. It's a pretty decent school too, not super prestigious but quite well known and really cheap in state. Meanwhile at my out of state private school WL there has been literally zero movement. Both schools overenroll too so I don't get why its so different.
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Your n=1 is definitely the exception, but my observation is not universal. In particular, the FL state schools do not have spectacular IS yields, and I can't figure out why, given how inexpensive they are IS. Maybe they don't cut as much slack to their IS applicants, and then those that they accept have better options???

In particular, the IS school you are referring to plans for significant WL movement every year, so it is definitely an exception to the rule. It is a great, relatively inexpensive school, but, it is newish and lower ranked, and definitely has a subpar yield given how relatively good it is. The adcom chooses not to compensate for this by over accepting even more, and plans extensive WL movement instead because it is safer for them in case yields unexpectedly jump, which they apparently think is bound to happen at some point in the future. 🙂

What this school does every year isn't representative, and you can't really draw any conclusions from it, other than, yes, they have gone deeper into their WL earlier this year than in past cycles, which is a definite sign WL movement might be up across the board this year. If they did what most other schools do, however, everyone receiving calls from their upper third would have received initial As months ago. They go through their upper third every year, so, why not just accept them initially? That really is what most other schools do, rather than plan to call around 100 +/- off a WL every year. Congratulations, but you were always going to be accepted. You just didn't find out until this week! 🙂

Nevertheless, what I posted above is my observation across several different states, and several different tiers of schools. Private schools are hit or miss year to year, based on whether yields perform as expected and based on how conservative adcoms are with initial As. The explanation at your private school could be as simple as them not being as conservative as many other schools with initial As this year, and might not have any predictive value as to global WL movement this cycle. JMHO.
 
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Rheopecty said:
Just because a state WL moves, doesn't mean it's moving in droves for IS. Case in point: Ohio State.
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If, according to the MSAR, the school matriculates a high number of in-state students every year, it would be reasonable to believe that they pull a lot of IS students from the waitlist.
 
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As much as I love this thread…I just got off the WL!

Didn’t think it would happen and I’m so surprised
But looks like my time here has ended

Love you all thank you for the funny

Good luck to everyone ❤️
As my friend was telling me, “It’s the darkest before dawn”
 
jamaica jan sun princess said:
If, according to the MSAR, the school matriculates a high number of in-state students every year, it would be reasonable to believe that they pull a lot of IS students from the waitlist.
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No. It would only be reasonable to believe that they matriculate a high number of IS students. If their IS yields are high, the odds are high that most of them did NOT come from the WL. And, if their yields are low, you need to know just how much they over accepted initially to know how many ultimately came from the WL.
 
SuperSpies said:
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As much as I love this thread…I just got off the WL!

Didn’t think it would happen and I’m so surprised
But looks like my time here has ended

Love you all thank you for the funny

Good luck to everyone ❤️
As my friend was telling me, “It’s the darkest before dawn”
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You my guy/girl are an absolute LEGEND! I'm glad you were here for the journey, BUT I'm more glad that I won't be seeing your posts as much on this thread because that means you my friend MADE IT! Good luck in your future endeavors StudentDoctor!
 
SuperSpies said:
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As much as I love this thread…I just got off the WL!

Didn’t think it would happen and I’m so surprised
But looks like my time here has ended

Love you all thank you for the funny

Good luck to everyone ❤️
As my friend was telling me, “It’s the darkest before dawn”
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CONGRATULATIONS!!! So happy for you!!!!
 
Dr.EMD said:
You my guy/girl are an absolute LEGEND! I'm glad you were here for the journey, BUT I'm more glad that I won't be seeing your posts as much on this thread because that means you my friend MADE IT! Good luck in your future endeavors StudentDoctor!
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Thank you so much

And thank you all

Ima still try to post some memes here hopefully

Can’t wait to see you all make it one day
 
SuperSpies said:
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As much as I love this thread…I just got off the WL!

Didn’t think it would happen and I’m so surprised
But looks like my time here has ended

Love you all thank you for the funny

Good luck to everyone ❤️
As my friend was telling me, “It’s the darkest before dawn”
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Yet another example of things happening EXACTLY the way they are supposed to!!!! CONGRATULAITONS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SuperSpies said:
I’ve never felt so much love in my life lol
Thank you everyone
As someone who doesn’t really have many people to share this with

This community is more than enough
I’m bouta tear up 😢
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Just wondering SuperSpies, does the school that you are accepted at have active movements on SDN? Or have they been silent until they dropped that A?
 
SuperSpies said:
View attachment 336981

As much as I love this thread…I just got off the WL!

Didn’t think it would happen and I’m so surprised
But looks like my time here has ended

Love you all thank you for the funny

Good luck to everyone ❤️
As my friend was telling me, “It’s the darkest before dawn”
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OH YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH LETS GO!!!!!! CONGRATS DR. LEGEND!!!!!!!
 
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