I am leaning this way at the moment as well. Especially since a simple question to the mods would have clarified things, and I already suggested that twice.
Only read the first 4.5 pages - so sorry if I missed something since I don't have a ton of time today to read the whole thread.
Fluff:
Will respond tomorrow hopefully about why this is a terrible idea ^
Luminous in general weird vibes from posts -
Guess what shorty...this did happen!
What are the chances that both Chaos and Lumi decided on the same fake claim affiliation
Me when starting to read the thread: ummmm Chaos is lying.
Me when lumi claimed: ummmmm wtf why are two people lying about getting black goo
*clears throat* my affiliation card was black goo (village alligned)
Chaos could be lying about Judas and could be ie Saulus but just in case going to put my vote for now somewhere else (on the more sketchy player):
Thought over some feels about her only noting things about Lumi and chaos in her readthrough but actually I can totally understand why it would be hard to focus on other players after seeing them claim her card lol
Why these players specifically? Lumi do you actually think that it would be beneficial for half of the player list to full claim D1 (8 out of 16 players)?
Villagers should not full claim until absolutely necessary since 1. if they are a good role, scum will more likely kill them and we'll lose a helpful ability in game. 2. if they are a bad role/unhelpful role and they claim, scum will have an easier time narrowing down who is the better roles (to kill).
Sorry if I repeat anything that has already been asked or answered. I am quickly writing this while in the lab.
Limited list since I haven't had time to go through the whole thread and only wrote down things that pinged me -
True - some posts have given me the tingles of "trying" to sound village
PSV - tone wise to me sounded fine but did see a lot of fluff (but fluff is most posts in general D1)
Another reasonable but NAI post and could be a scummy pop-in-to-sound-productive-without-hunting, though I’m less on alert for that in multiball as she should have some motive for genuine scumhunting anyway.
Definitely a possibility but would only be beneficial to a wincon if I got another cult card for affiliation. Target me and let me know D3 if you’re cult
Shucks that would have been fun
Edit to specify in the first line “another” cult card for aff
Feel like other players have already said what I would say in response to @Zenge142's theory regarding Chaos:myself being w:w. In multifaction games, packs are extremely small so one pack mate's death is a pretty big blow - wouldn't be worth it to risk two pack mates for such a play and if lets say your theory was true for chaos and I being on the same team + they took my black goo claim - with a scenario where I flipped before chaos - chaos would be outed. It would be a pretty dangerous play. Additionally, a point to bring up is that I'd rather be a villager especially when I haven't played in a while. I am confirmed to have thrown out a village card thus even if somehow someone doesn't believe that I used the black goo card for affiliation, I did have another village card I could have used for affiliation.
@alleycat03 I don't think anyone answered you but cc = counterclaim
However, for the village cards I can make an argument that even if she really wanted village aff, both the miller and black goo cards are seriously negative utility village roles. If the third card was as well, she might have had to go with scum to have a semi-decent role. Or she could have had a cult card and the goo card and it was just too serendipitous to pass up for a middling or crappy village role.
Lol me sleep deprived and running on not enough sleep for the last week thinking that edit made more sense but actually made less. Black goo is village aff + cult leaning ability which would only be beneficial for a wincon if my third card was cult aff. So culty (black goo) + cult aff possibility in my head = another
I’ve gone in circles on whether this was some sort of slip but I think it makes most sense that this is genuinely the mental blip that happened. Leaning villagey on this because if I were scumming, personally I’d be much more careful about my wording around aff cards etc than as a villager.
Made me feel weird that WO2's explanation for their second and third most sus on their reads list is based on dead players + POE. eh if true is telling the truth about being alien then we dont have to worry right now and I would rather use a vote to talk about other scum also
Need to go walk two dogs for someone so in case I somehow don't return in time:
This sounds like sincere reasoning, but then again multiball motivates scumhunting for everyone etc etc.
I’m unsure if Wonder, if in a faction with buddies, would be more motivated to vote True to insure against waffles falling onto a partner while she was gone, or to try to get ahead of the danger of alternate wagons by offering one on a highly sussed villager.
Seems kind of harsh on true after being outed.
Not that we would have sheeped the vote for too long but we can hear them out. Info is info - why is it bad to wait to hammer. True was an extremely easy vote for scum to pile onto and scream on thread “They admit it! Vote em out before they kill you all” - all the while just going for the easy push to keep their own packmates/self free from being on the possible chopping block or questioned. + Zenge trying to make other players jump on board that hammering True right away where there 1.5 hrs before vote close. I realize this is similar to the conversation of working or not working with 3P and people have pretty strong opinions on that front - not matter wolf/village allignment
I'm not trying to “crucify” anyone. I’m giving my opinions on what I read and that’s it - didn’t even say that you were scum. Just said it made me uncomfy.
I was referring to how you responded to alley unvoting true and who said she doesn't want to get to maj.
I'm sorry that I haven't been here to contribute but I'm trying my best. I try to catch up on the thread before posting so that I don't contribute to the pages being unnecessarily long and bombarding with the same questions. Just means I'm not as present as higher posters.
the point of this game is to talk about our suspicions and our feels. I didn't remember that WZ was the first to mention the bloodhound claim so it's a simple miscommunication/misremembering. I'm just unsure why this point blew up in your eyes as much as it did
I'm not backpedaling at all. Voting # => hammer. I guess I can't hyperbolize guys. It's very village to me to try and unvote someone to give them more time to speak and for us to have more time until Day close (ie alley) => someone insinuating that alley shouldn't unvote them to give them more space before we get to maj
These seem pretty reasonable to me and I don’t agree with Dubz’s sus over her continuing to talk about them today - she came on late, to a bunch of posts sussing her for it, so she had to respond. She didn’t go on and on about it (she just had only made a few posts and had to address people’s suspicions so hadn’t yet had a chance to talk about other things).
I do have a bad feel about the bloodhound sus thing, though, that seems less like sincere reasoning to me.
Yeah one of them should go next. Idk if we should think of a timeframe to just skip them and continue on. But this really only is maximally effective if the POE doesn't know what cards are already in the game and either has to claim something like vanilla townie or risk getting caught in a lie.
Well assuming stumper is vig, village has effectively had 2/4 misyeets. Narrower margin than usual but multiball is slippery like that. The more exclusive factions, the lower chance each one wins by mathematical necessity
Well assuming stumper is vig, village has effectively had 2/4 misyeets. Narrower margin than usual but multiball is slippery like that. The more exclusive factions, the lower chance each one wins by mathematical necessity
You're right, I didn't think about it like that. But I didn't get to choose who the stumper shot 🙁 So I feel like I am being punished for "misyeets" that I had nothing to do with.
lol I like to ask questions - not that I have a certain destination in mind. Just want to get people's thought processes because I didn't understand why they said one over the other. It's not some crazy thing I was looking for.
Yeah one of them should go next. Idk if we should think of a timeframe to just skip them and continue on. But this really only is maximally effective if the POE doesn't know what cards are already in the game and either has to claim something like vanilla townie or risk getting caught in a lie.
I am leaning this way at the moment as well. Especially since a simple question to the mods would have clarified things, and I already suggested that twice.
Idk I ISO’d genny and there was that day or two she was being really weirdly evasive but otherwise I think I like her approach so I guess I should let that go, probably. The anger about the chaos stuff after it was done still puzzles me from how borderline-attack-on-play scathing it was but I kinda get the salt more now from reading in ISO how focused she was on yeeting chaos while that debate was going down. I was also squinting at her sudden NK mechanical analysis kink today but it became clear that was about figuring out VOLO stuff so that makes sense. I don’t think I feel good enough about her to vote with her on mayo
I am not asking you what your affiliation is, I am asking what card was used for it. I know the cards are likely not mentioned in your role PM, that is why I said you can ask the mods what cards/roles were used for your affiliation and ability. How many people have to explain this before you stop obstructing attempts to solve the game?
Idk I ISO’d genny and there was that day or two she was being really weirdly evasive but otherwise I think I like her approach so I guess I should let that go, probably. The anger about the chaos stuff after it was done still puzzles me from how borderline-attack-on-play scathing it was but I kinda get the salt more now from reading in ISO how focused she was on yeeting chaos while that debate was going down. I was also squinting at her sudden NK mechanical analysis kink today but it became clear that was about figuring out VOLO stuff so that makes sense. I don’t think I feel good enough about her to vote with her on mayo
I don't have a ton of time to game solve/ask questions I have lost in the abyss of my game notes that are now just a million quotes I never went back to write my thoughts on. My own fault for not being more on top of the thread but can't change that + I sadly have D&D tonight until yeet close
Understood. But we are at the point in the game where we must reveal, plus that role only sucks if we actually have a seer in the game.
I would appreciate it if you found out which cards were used to make your role, which probably requires you to ask the mods. Because there is a mafia hirsute and a town hirsute both
Yes, please reveal your role card as we have determined there's a chance there could be 3 scum in the same faction left in the game, making today MarVoLo.