CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

[apoptosis09]

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Fwiw, I do think he would be more careful about distancing himself from packmates this time around. We learned that was important in the noob game pretty quickly.

I was going to say he was pretty close to his pack last time, but that's also what got him caught 😅 I can't say he would bus them, though.

The town list

Maybe? with one off the list entirely (PSV) it might seem like a good spread for early game

 

[WildZoo]

I was going to say he was pretty close to his pack last time, but that's also what got him caught 😅 I can't say he would bus them, though.


Maybe? with one off the list entirely (PSV) it might seem like a good spread for early game

Yeah that's why it's WIFOMy

Especially with people knowing that history it could have been a list intended to mislead

I'll probably discard the thought

 

[apoptosis09]

Especially with people knowing that history it could have been a list intended to mislead

A wolf? Misleading? Naur

 

[WildZoo]

Not important, just sad I missed these compliments in the moment

Spoiler

Damn she skedaddled and now I'm gonna be sitting here like

until she's done with her cocaine

Awwards worthy post

Could be a good contender for best quote.

It's just an immaculate post

 

[Clem J]

To be fair PSV hadn't posted yet at that point and could easily have been his only partner so shrugs

Samac and shorty both died n2 so I think that's unlikely

 

[Clem J]

Anyways I'm just effort clearing dubz (yell at me all you want from dead chat shorty I can't hear you) and giving her a firm handshake if she's scum atp

 

[beans2020]

Samac and shorty both died n2 so I think that's unlikely

So you think there's still a wolf out there we need to find? Wolf + another scum faction?

 

[Clem J]

So you think there's still a wolf out there we need to find? Wolf + another scum faction?

That's my current working theory yeah

 

[WildZoo]

Samac and shorty both died n2 so I think that's unlikely

I'm still holding out for the aliens

Also even though I've literally seen it happen before (and worse) I'm still sad at the idea that two different scum factions successfully hit two different consensus villagers.

But yeah most likely there's just another werewolf out there.

 

[Clem J]

I'm still holding out for the aliens

Also even though I've literally seen it happen before (and worse) I'm still sad at the idea that two different scum factions successfully hit two different consensus villagers.

But yeah most likely there's just another werewolf out there.

Yeah it's a real bummer

 

[WildZoo]

Anyways I'm just effort clearing dubz (yell at me all you want from dead chat shorty I can't hear you) and giving her a firm handshake if she's scum atp

What if I yell at you because this isn't even high effort for me

 

[WildZoo]

Wait

No I want to be consensus so I can die, I don't care if the reasoning is valid

Carry on

 

[Clem J]

What if I yell at you because this isn't even high effort for me

I'll hide in the corner and cry

 

[WildZoo]

I have also reached the conclusion that my d1signal:noise ratio wasn't NEARLY as bad as everyone including myself made it out to be 😤

 

[WildZoo]

Premature post. That's supposed to be @ apop and @GoSpursGo can you summarize briefly why you're on Zenge?
Why the CG votes? Is it stemming from the thought she wouldn't choose town over scum?

Microread that PSV probably doesn't tag two packmates here

I can't remember if apop was already consensus not-wolf but I'm asserting that apop is not-wolf

 

[WildZoo]

I've given myself more problems than solutions

D1 beans on her own doesn't read very scummy to me

rae is certainly not a werewolf

I'm having a hard time picking out anyone who feels partnered with Spurs and PSV

 

[_rae_]

My only good read so far has been spurs so I don’t know what im going to accomplish.

I’ll have time to look at this a bit more tomorrow.

I feel whoever is scumming is scumming quite well.

 

[WildZoo]

I feel whoever is scumming is scumming quite well.

It is important to engage in positive self-talk like this in stressful times

Sorry I couldn't help myself

 

[Clem J]

I've given myself more problems than solutions

D1 beans on her own doesn't read very scummy to me

rae is certainly not a werewolf

I'm having a hard time picking out anyone who feels partnered with Spurs and PSV

Remind me why rae is not a werewolf?

 

[Clem J]

To whom it may concern:

I'm gonna kill dubz tonight. Don't cross shoot pls and ty

 

[Clem J]

I think rae/beans/kitz/[zenge if he survives much longer] is my preferred poe even though I am very concerned about falling into a "the noobs must be scum!" trap

 

[Clem J]

To whom it may concern:

I'm gonna kill dubz tonight. Don't cross shoot pls and ty

I'm serious btw don't shoot dubz if you want multiple kills

I guess do if you only want one death but

 

[WildZoo]

Remind me why rae is not a werewolf?

Lots of Spurs pushing. I'm pretty sure this continues into n1, just haven't gotten there yet.

Spoiler

21. @GoSpursGo - sus right now. Something about spurs feels wrong. Cool, calm, collected spurs is not present.

This was some time after Barks popped in and voted there. Posts below included for context:

Yeet Spurs

@Animal Midwife @Dr. ForgotToFlush

Day 1 Yeet Tally
beans () -
Zenge (3) - shorty, Spurs, apop
apop (1) - alissa
shorty () -
Barks (1) - fruit
samac (2) - kitz, Clem
CG (3) - Dubz, beans, samac
SAR () -
fruit () -
Spurs (2) - Barks, Zenge
Dubz () -

12/17
@Zenge142 and @CeeGee14 are in the lead!
yeet close in ~2 hours
Missing: @_rae_ @SARdoghandler @CeeGee14 @genny @potentialsheltervet

Response from Spurs to rae:

FWIW, I literally think it is the not being here at eod and d1of it all. But I think I’ve said all there is to say on this for now

More context:

Day 1 Yeet Tally
beans () -
Zenge (3) - shorty, Spurs, apop
apop (1) - alissa
shorty () -
Barks (1) - fruit
samac (2) - kitz, Clem
CG (3) - Dubz, beans, samac
SAR () -
fruit () -
Spurs (1) - Barks
Dubz () -
rae (1) - Zenge

12/17
yeet close in ~2 hours
Missing: rae, SAR, CG, genny, PSV

This was after Spurs said he was going to be away and such

That was a joke and it came across snarky, my b.

Spurs is rubbing me the wrong way. Flip flopping on fruit, the beans thing, and no reads list. It could be the CYO set up, but like I said, relaxed solving spurs isn’t there and something sort of panicky is in his place.

Fruit is my strongest village read, mostly because this feels like fruit putting the heat on people to get their reads straight. After the last few games, I feel more confident in my fruit reads so I’m comfy saying that.

I need to do more looking to see my last one.

Yeet spurs

I think this is my strongest gut feeling and while I hate to do this to him while he’s away, I feel like this is what makes sense.

Day 1 Yeet Tally
beans () -
Zenge (4) - shorty, Spurs, apop, alissa
apop () -
shorty () -
Barks (1) - fruit
samac (2) - kitz, Clem
CG (3) - beans, samac, Dubz
SAR () -
fruit () -
Spurs (2) - Barks, rae
Dubz () -
rae (1) - Zenge

13/17
yeet close in ~1 hour
Missing: SAR, CG, genny, PSV

Response to rae saying he had no reads list:

I had one, it was just a little dated:
I flipped on fruits because I went back and read fruits and squinted into thinking there could be more than "fruits being fruits." I would add genny, apop, and PSV to my village reads and samac, kitz... and maybe you to my scum reads. But I think you and I tend to scum read each other. Unsure on dubZ. Truthfully still have no read on Barks and SAR. Sorry if I'm forgetting anything. I don't remember specifically what you mean on the beans thing.

Somewhat panicked due to not being present, and I could feel some of all this bubbling under the surface

Look this is not AI but spurs using a lot of text jargon is sus

OK I'm officially off for the day. I may post later once I'm in bed, unless I'm dead.

Make good decisions, folks.

If a spurs wagon suddenly rolls away out of control I will reconsider.

She did leave herself room to go elsewhere but never actually moved

Ofc? Smh? Spurs mostly uses full words and sentences. This is new.

Am I remembering correctly that Spurs was a wolf in the noob game? Did his use of abbreviations increase when he was a wolf there, or as scum in The Good Place?

(I didn't see a response to this)

 

[WildZoo]

Either there is scum between beans and rae or like

Someone is lone scumming really well and idk if I have the brain power to find that

 

[apoptosis09]

To whom it may concern:

I'm gonna kill dubz tonight. Don't cross shoot pls and ty

Well darn I was gonna put you as a legacy but now idk if this is reverse psychology

 

[WildZoo]

More rae/Spurs stuff from n1

Spoiler

So, thoughts:

I didn’t like the CG vote from the beginning and I think thar be wolves there (duh)

I didn’t love how Zenge was acting when he was on the chopping block. Maybe I got too used to the Janet begging.

I am apparently a wolfy town person no matter what I do.

These are stream of consciousness, this is how I’m thinking.

Continuing on with our own Mr. Spurs

Spoiler

Truly confused in the beginning of the game that I don't think could be manufactured (what role was affiliation, CG having Cop/Lover as one role).

Genuinely this is stupid as hell, but spurs is trying to hard to be chill. Calling zenge "ya fat dink" (Good Place holdover), using ofc, smh,

This too. This feels too emphasis-y in a way I don't like at all. It sets a precedent for how we think spurs is going to go, but allows spurs to fade into the shadows if he so wishes.


This statement also bothers me and I can't put my finger on why (it was below Spurs one and only vote for the day after unyeeting CG due to role confusion):

Also seems to be following thread on where he reads fruits. Strongly read fruit as village previously, seemingly jumped on fruit as being sus this morning since sending CG over puts fruits in a bad position. I'm also sus reading fruits for the moment and looking at them, but spurs feels regurgitated in a way I don't like.

This at 8:32 am

Then this at 9:06 am


I simply don't like this as an answer. If my reads list was weak, this is flaccid:

Spurs also MEGA jumped on beans for the me/kitzs thing. Actually, a lot of people did, which I find interesting. I think beans was offering up a thought and while I admit I tend to overexploit which tends to look like "the lady doth protest too much" it felt convenient here.

tldr, I stand by that I'm not liking spurs vibes at all. Strongly in my POE.

Well at least I'm here to respond! I disagree with your final assessment, but I can mostly understand how you arrived there.

A few minor points that I'd appreciate if you could respond to.

I disagree with your assessment. I think across all my games, I tend to do my best to not waffle, and I hate changing my vote more than a couple of times in a cycle. I also hate holstering votes until the end of the day and would much rather have some sense of where people are leaning early on to be able to talk through things. This would not be AI, IMO.

So what would be my agenda for initially village reading fruits, and then on my own backtracking unprompted?

Would you have preferred I said "vibes?" Or how about "I simply don't like their answers?"

I truly still have no idea what you're talking about here. Could you please point me in the direction of the post in question?

 

[WildZoo]

Idk what the quote boxes are doing there but uh...it's fine I guess

 

[WildZoo]

Gonna look at this more closely later but wanted to signal boost for others - Spurs final legacy. Color coding mine. And NO I didn't color code MYSELF but if I did I would be GREEN.

Alright, unless there is a scum faction that thinks I'm other-scum, I think it's very unlikely I need to leave a legacy tonight. Nevertheless, it appears I have made giving them part of my MO, so here are my thoughts.

Village lean (note I'm realizing that I'm using "I liked their line of questioning" a lot, so that is probably a verbose way of saying "vibes")
@Clem J --as I previously said, I thought his snap-reading players early in the day yesterday felt natural and like v!Clem
@alissa14 --seems very engaged in questioning from an earnest perspective of meeting and understanding new players. Nothing has felt off.
@apoptosis09 --personally I think they were actively trying to change playstyle to not get auto-scum-read again, and playing different seemed to feel off to other players. I've never seen w!apop but this felt like a phenotype of village that could exist.
@potentialsheltervet--also generally like the lines of questioning, felt similar to previous V!PSV.
@supershorty --questioning also seemed very genuine, worked overdrive to track down old reads and compare to current. I don't put anything past such an experienced player, but it would be an awful lot of work to put in to create a smokescreen for a scum player.
@beans2020--also feels like a nice, relaxed line of questioning. I still am not sure what @_rae_ meant by "the beans thing"

Neutral:
@SARdoghandler --more of a null than anything for now
@genny --I had in my village lean, but as noted above the flash flip at the end deserves scrutiny
@WildZoo --I'll be honest... I've skipped most of their posts in order to catch up in a reasonable timeframe. Another player where I feel like there is a wide range of play styles that could fit either scum or village. Will just have to watch
@_rae_ --I went back and forth on putting her here or in POE, and I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that yesterday was just a very busy day. Picking up the pieces after the fact, I don't really disagree with her reads that much, though I think she got flack for limited reasoning.
@samac --I also went back and forth on putting her here or in POE, and landed on I think yesterday was super busy so I can't really get a solid read yet. Something felt off, but that can happen when someone is busy. But I'm watching.

POE:
@kitzsuna --I do not think she was derpcleared, and I don't like that her reads have basically been high volume players and players who suss'd her first.
@Zenge142 --Because he tickled my nose at the beginning of the day in a way that led to me voting for him, and nothing changed my opinion.
@Barkley13 --Don't like that they literally never gave a reason for their vote yesterday. I know we did a lot of ****posting, but that isn't an unreasonable bar to expect someone who is village to clear.
@fruitsalad --I don't think the voting noise at the beginning of the day was necessarily benign, and even beyond the 8:59p vote, the voting noise in the 8pm hour I'm not sure is benign

 

[WildZoo]

Okay nevermind the colors didn't work anyway!!

 

[WildZoo]

Yay I fixed it

 

[apoptosis09]

Either there is scum between beans and rae or like

I've been tinfoiling about this last night. Starting to wonder if beans and clem are paired.
I haven't gone through quotes to back this up, I just woke up last night with the thought 💀

 

[WildZoo]

I've been tinfoiling about this last night. Starting to wonder if beans and clem are paired.
I haven't gone through quotes to back this up, I just woke up last night with the thought 💀

With Clem pushing for her to be yoten instead of Barks yesterday?

That would be...spooky

 

[WildZoo]

I don't want to belabor the point too much because I still think rae is scum of some sort but just in case anyone is reading these interactions differently than I am

Spoiler

I agree, you don't love moving your vote around, but from the one time I saw you wolf you also were perfectly content to stay away from wagons. It made you look good. I even village read you for that. So I'm not saying that alone is clearing for you.


This is pointy, pokey spurs to me. Pointy like W, not soft relaxed like V.


I cannot find it. Beans posed that me and Kitsz could be lying about our affiliation choice and a bunch of people jumped on them. I thought you were part of it but I'm not seeing what I saw so I could be wrong.

I'm sorry, I was being flippant. But my point was you didn't like "Just felt a little easy to throw shade literally only on players that voted for them, and then defend fruits." It seems like I could have just as easily said "vibes," or your language, "I simply don't like." So I'm not quite sure what seemed off about how I phrased my point.

Regardless, thanks for responding. I understand where you're coming from.

To clarify, I'm not mad at it. It's just something I'm noting.

Trying to make sure that even if they turn out wrong, people can follow my thought process.

 

[apoptosis09]

With Clem pushing for her to be yoten instead of Barks yesterday?

That would be...spooky

Ok I actually looked this time and he was pushing beans early yesterday not just voting at the end so maybe not paired 😅

 

[WildZoo]

Also wanted to signal boost some good critiques of rae's n1 POE formation from fruit and Zenge

Spoiler

Since no one appreciated my mini isos, let's go back to this format

Village:
1. @_rae_ it’s a me, Mario
6. @kitzsuna - derp!V, easily poking at high posters, if she's wolfing someone is coaching her really well.
10. @alissa14 - I like the work she's doing today. A lot of people say they accidentally scum read her, but I'm getting village vibes. Especially doing all that work with the votes and such. The wifom they just went through on spurs too also feels village.
14. @potentialsheltervet - I felt like her push on samac made sense. I didn't agree with it because I saw the samac confusion I think, but I followed her logic. I feel like her pokes have been very reasonable.
11. @apoptosis09 - this is all well within apop's village range. I also like that apop didn't jump on the CG wagon, even though zenge was truly at risk of being yeeted for a bit.

Neutral/Unsure:
13. @Barkley13 - still playing catch up, don't have a good read. Obviously I'm sus reading spurs so the spurs vote doesn't feel bad to me, but I could be wrong.
2. @Clem J - see mini iso
9. @beans2020 - I don't love beans' CG vote, but her other pokes have felt natural (asking about Kitz and I, asking about Barks). She is village reading zenge and I am not, but that could be difference in analysis.
3. @SARdoghandler - I don't think I like SAR putting Dubz in their town list; having flashbacks to SAR/dubz wolf team. Having said that, her beans yeet felt genuine and her interactions with Samac after voting for her felt village.
5. @genny - genny unyeeted zenge and did not end up voting last night. I dislike that. But everything else about genny feels village.
utc. @supershorty - I think the panicking on the zenge vote is village coded. Her pokes and questions feel natural. Tbf I have never seen shorty wolf, but I don't think wolf!shorty would get off of zenge so quickly at the last second. Similar to genny though, I dislike the lack of vote.

POE:
99. @fruitsalad - see mini iso, I highly dislike fruit's vote patterns and interactions with zenge. Fruit is #1 wolf right now.
12. @Zenge142 - I don’t like Zenge's interactions with fruit and I'm not a fan of how that vote went.
21. @GoSpursGo - see mini iso and interactions today,
7. @WildZoo - I did not like dubz' reads list. Wolf reading shorty, village reading fruit, "pinged" CG and ended up voting there EOD even after noting they were misyeeted in SPN.


Dead
4. @CeeGee14 - don’t want to yeet CG yet. CG is frequently misyeetable. <---- what I said pre-CG flip

why are you grouping me with zenge when i voted zenge for a while? why are you also grouping me with spurs when you and spurs are both launching attacks on me of virtually the same reasons?

Because you and zenge have weird alignments that I don't like.

Also, this is potentially multi-ball. POE does not mean I think everyone is in the same faction.

Yeah but you can't have it both ways, where you're "uncomfortable with how Fruit and I engaged with each other" as a reason to scum read us, but then also fall back on "well this is multiball you could be different factions".

The implication of your reasoning for sussing us because of how we interacted with each other is that we would be of the same faction.

So when Fruit points out that that doesn't make any sense given his push of me, you can't fall back on the idea that we could be different factions, and still try and hold the same argument that you did before.

 

[WildZoo]

I apologize for all of this being in broken up posts instead of something more organized but quoting from my phone is what I have the energy for rn 😅

 

[WildZoo]

Current reads & thoughts: This is in no particular order.

Villageleans
Clem - I maintain that he still feels more relaxed and chill like his village self.
genny - she seems to be acting like village!genny, especially considering the vote flip yesterday.
kitz - I do think she is pure nooblet. A tiny part of my brain is afraid she was coached through derp!clearing but that feels unlikely.
samac - her claim about mason as her aff and the ensuing confusion feels natural and towny.
PSV - asking good questions, seems to be actively solving.
alissa - she seems to be asking good questions and solving well. I just don't know her playstyle well. Cautiously townlean.
Zenge - he still feels towny to me but I do think samac was onto something yesterday with her comments about the thunderdoming/votes seeming to shift away from him. Another cautious townlean.

Unsure read
SAR - I've seen her act the way she is now as both village and scum. So uh *shrugs*
apop - IDK. Apop seems okay and like typical village!apop right now. However I don't know what she looks like as scum and that is making me nervous.
shorty - I am townreading her more than Dubz rn. She is solving well. The fear remains of some type of 3p weirdness.
Dubz - feels similar to village!Dubz back in ggoats so so long ago. But I've never seen her as scum. So like true neutral I guess.
Barks - I think I need more time with her before I will have a true read.

Scumleans
fruit? - I don't know what to make of fruit's comments today. He seems oddly defensive and I haven't seen that before. Soft scumlean for now?
rae - She hasn't done anything that makes me go "oh, she's village!" Whoever mentioned that spurs and rae may be different scum factions (dubz?) I think may be on to something.
Spurs - I'm starting to see what other players were mentioning yesterday that made him feel different from village!Spurs. I'm curious about him - maybe some type of 3p scum?

Edited: I forgot SAR!
Edited again: made everything colorless

Beans n1 reads list.

I don't hate it?

 

[WildZoo]

But I currently think rae and Spurs are just on different scum teams anyway

rae and Spurs both reacted to this with sads, therefore they are both scum, lock it in

 

[WildZoo]

Some defensiveness/tension that I didn't see last time we were village together. Though, to be fair, that could be because you are under a lot of heat right now. I feel like you started out super chill - like overcompensating if that makes sense and are now slightly panicky.

This is in response to Spurs asking about his spot in her POE, and is good, although beans only brought Spurs up after others had already started poking there

 

[WildZoo]

Also it's occurred to me that since shorty said I'm being widely village read, I'm in a position where I suppose I could theoretically be NK'd tonight.
I was N1'd last game
Who even am I anymore? Where'd my scumminess go?

This post still makes me laugh

 

[WildZoo]

I think I'm still rae > beans for scum equity based on how I feel that rae was sometimes trying to force players into her POE for reasons that didn't make a lot of sense to me. I do need to try to remember why I was so sure that beans was not a werewolf though? There's too much stuff in my brain.

I did just have a side thought that it seems a little odd that a rae-containing scum faction would have shot Spurs instead of leaving him alive for yeeting But that's WIFOMy I guess

 

[WildZoo]

Even in games where I am town (like this one)

Bets on whether he got to the end of this post and then added that parenthetical statement because he realized how it sounded

Sorry this is a noise post

 

[WildZoo]

Okay got stuff to do, will read d2 later maybe byeeeee

 

[SARdoghandler]

I think I'm still rae > beans for scum equity based on how I feel that rae was sometimes trying to force players into her POE for reasons that didn't make a lot of sense to me. I do need to try to remember why I was so sure that beans was not a werewolf though? There's too much stuff in my brain.

I did just have a side thought that it seems a little odd that a rae-containing scum faction would have shot Spurs instead of leaving him alive for yeeting But that's WIFOMy I guess

I think I agree with this from my isos yesterday.

Spending time with the kid today but will probably try for more isos after

 

[beans2020]

I know a few people have been village reading alissa - can someone explain why? She's the player i feel the most worried about right now - I feel like she has been flying under the radar a bit and could easily be paired with spurs/psv OR be a separate faction. My gut just says something isn't right with her especially when considering the other players in the game atp.

 

[apoptosis09]

I know a few people have been village reading alissa - can someone explain why? She's the player i feel the most worried about right now - I feel like she has been flying under the radar a bit and could easily be paired with spurs/psv OR be a separate faction. My gut just says something isn't right with her especially when considering the other players in the game atp.

What do you mean with this part?

Overall Alissa to me has seemed to be pretty sensible in her reads and not following an agenda; I didn't find any pairing or anti-pairing to the wolves, and while it's always possible to be a lone scum there's relatively little evidence pointing that way to her for me compared to others.

 

[apoptosis09]

To whom it may concern:

I'm gonna kill dubz tonight. Don't cross shoot pls and ty

I'm serious btw don't shoot dubz if you want multiple kills

I guess do if you only want one death but

Hey just checking are we collectively ignoring the claim of nk ability here?

 

[_rae_]

Hey just checking are we collectively ignoring the claim of nk ability here?

Yes because it’s Clem. I feel like I expect nothing less at this point.

 

[_rae_]

Also I’m sort of here but my dumb ass left my lunchbox at the hospital I did a relief shift at yesterday and it’s 30 minutes away so now I’m grumpy I have an extra hour long errand to run today

 

[WildZoo]

Hey just checking are we collectively ignoring the claim of nk ability here?

Yes

Yes because it’s Clem. I feel like I expect nothing less at this point.

rae gets it