CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

[Clem J]

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Haven't ever played with him in a multiball game before iirc but I think he's village

I know you're dead but dubz we were quite literally just in a multiball game as teammates lol

 

[Clem J]

Why is that your conclusion?

2 deaths/night + only one scum faction flipping + serial killer = most likely no second scum faction

Unless we've had a blocked kill every night, SK was holstering, or mafia was

I don't see any of those as particularly likely, do you?

 

[Zenge142]

2 deaths/night + only one scum faction flipping + serial killer = most likely no second scum faction

Unless we've had a blocked kill every night, SK was holstering, or mafia was

I don't see any of those as particularly likely, do you?

I mean the specifics. SAR killing Dubz, unknown killing SAR.

 

[apoptosis09]

Okay buckle up cuz I'm donning the tinfoil

Spoiler: Beans Iso

Weirdness on the D1 yeet. Ends her vote on CG.

Gah I'm starting to get worried that CG is a misyeet but I don't know who to vote instead. I don't really want to vote for zenge or samac today. hmmmmmm

Starts here with the WIFOM (look I'm learning the lingo) for wolves pairing in the early stages of an almost-guaranteed multipball game.

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Spoiler: Wolf Pairing

rae/spurs - UNLIKELY due to rae's heavy push on spurs. I doubt there would be bussing to this nature on N1 of the game.
clem/spurs - POSSIBLE. There is nothing unpairing between the two of them. Spurs discusses not wanting to vote Clem bc of pushing him hard last game and then proceeds to village read him. Clem doesn't say anything specific about Spurs.
SAR/spurs - POSSIBLE. I don't think either of them said anything about the other except for Spurs saying he didn't have a read on SAR.
kitz/spurs - UNLIKELY. Spurs started scumreading kitz after the derp!clear when most everyone else was village reading her. I don't know why spurs would throw his nooblet (comparatively) packmate under the bus like that AND draw that much attention to her.
dubz/spurs - POSSIBLE? There isn't anything massively unclearing between the two of them. Dubz starts as soft village reading spurs and he ends up in the POE later which does feel like a natural progression. Spurs doesn't offer much of an opinion on Dubz. The answer here is IDK.
samac/spurs - UNLIKELY due to both mutually sussing one another starting early in the game.
alissa/spurs - POSSIBLE. There are barely any interactions between alissa and spurs besides mutually village reading each other.
apop/spurs - POSSIBLE. There isn't much unpairing between the two of them. Spurs village reads apop and apop says she thinks spurs is neutral, maybe scum but unclear. That's it.
zenge/spurs - UNLIKELY due to spurs pushing for a zenge yeet D1.
barks/spurs - UNLIKELY due to barks voting spurs D1 pretty early on. I don't think there would be a bussing attempt like this.
psv/spurs - POSSIBLE. Very few interactions - spurs village reads PSV and PSV doesn't have much to say about spurs except for gentle questioning why people are scumreading him.
shorty/spurs - UNLIKELY. Shorty is sus of spurs right off the bat. Also, if we believe shorty's claim about JOAT and being vanillaized I'm not sure this is even worth pursuing.
fruit/spurs - UNLIKELY. Spurs becomes sus of fruit very quickly and fruit reciprocates that. I don't think they would have interacted in that way as partners.

Lotta WIFOM

I'm really not sure where to go atp. If zenge and dubz are both village (which I feel is likely) and SAR is village like dubz claims (I'm inclined to softly believe her for the moment) and zenge/clem/SAR are right that barks is reading village than that means the scum has to be between clem, apop, alissa, rae, and kitz and I'm not really scumreading kitz, rae, or clem (his real time today has felt towny) and apop is always a little scummy so idk if she's actually scum this time or if it's still village apop.
I can't say I really want to yeet kitz, rae, clem, or apop today.
I just don't know what to do with barks. I agree that it's scummy that she shot fruit like that but I don't know why she claimed it at all if scum. I still doubt she was paired with spurs/PSV but I think she could be part of a different scum faction and paired with someone else.

guys I don't think I'm a fan of multiball...this is so much easier when it's just village v wolf pack

Makes a point to show that she is unpaired with wolves

He's not. Why would I have come out of the gates saying spurs was likely to pick scum if given the choice if we were paired? I can elaborate more on this in the morning with the pairs analysis but there's a few unpairing interactions between us. This quote was 10 minutes after the game started.

Pushes for a hammer on barks when barks wasn't on her sus list even

I don't really see much of a point of continuing to wait to vote if we're going to stay at a stalemate like this.

yeet barks

@kaydubs @Animal Midwife

Then flips to scum reading alissa and I for pushing barks

I would be interested in Alissa and apop. Alissa bc she really scum read poor barks and apop bc honestly everyone else seems villagey to me rn

This is where is starts getting into the grit of factions

Here beans is floating the idea of 2+ factions early

In my mind it has to be at least 2 factions still since 2 NK - I just don't know if there's a remaining wolf plus mafia/something else or if the wolves are wiped out and its two different factions we haven't flipped anyone from yet.
And that's not including whatever happened to fruit...

And again here

Yes, but that doesn't mean the same scum factions have been killing each night

Why are we assuming factions are taking breaks? In 3 nights now we have only seen 2 nks.

This one sent a shiver with the singular use of "another wolf". Exactly one?

Ugh I feel like I don't even know what to look for rn. Another wolf? A mafia? Multiple mafia? ALIENS?
I feel like serial killer + wolf pack feels most likely but idk. That SAR flip shook me a little tbh...I really thought she was village. I guess I was right when I said I need to re-evaluate all my reads.

Like how many scum are we looking for now?

Another interesting take on the nk arrangement

What I'm trying to figure out is did SAR kill dubz? Or did someone kill SAR and someone else kill dubz?

More WIFOM but tbf I can brush this off as a panic response to being voted early in the day.

I do want to gently point out that SAR (who was scum) tried to vote me out 2 days in a row. Why do you think I'm scum, apop? Why do you think I'm still in the game at this point? Why would SAR want me gone?

Contrary to my ramblings I'm not tunneled and I'd like to be wrong. But there's jut too many things making my eye twitch here

(Also apologize if it's not all chronological... I am skill issued)

 

[Zenge142]

@Clem J Where are you voting today?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 4 Yeet Tally
beans (1) - apop

1/7
yeet close in ~22.5 hours

 

[Clem J]

I mean the specifics. SAR killing Dubz, unknown killing SAR.

I don't think Sar killed herself

 

[beans2020]

Why those two?

1. If we're looking for another wolf partner for PSV/spurs as the last scum, I believe that either apop or alissa could be paired with them.
2. I believe that you, kitz, clem, and rae are all village. It does make me a little nervous that you're still alive, zenge, but for the moment I think it's okay - I will be more concerned if you're still alive a day cycle or two from now.
3. To be fair I haven't finished iso'ing apop yet and haven't done alissa. But at least from what I've seen of apop I still feel like she's been more passive than I'm used to. I'm up to D2 and I feel like I'm seeing a lot of changing reads based on what other players are saying. (which I've done too, don't get me wrong). I just feel like in past games I've seen a more active apop than this. Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why apop is scumreading me so hard. Apop starts out fully village reading me and then reads shorty's iso in which shorty suggests that I may be paired with spurs (and then retracts that after PSV flip) and apop has been scumreading me ever since. I almost feel like there's a lack of independent thought and parroting what other players are already saying (sorry apop, this is not a critique of your playstyle ily).
I will update with my thoughts on alissa and more complete thoughts on apop when I have time to finish the iso's.

 

[Clem J]

@Clem J Where are you voting today?

Not decided yet. Likely one scum faction means life is easier. Beans or rae is my immediate inclination but tbd

 

[Zenge142]

I don't think Sar killed herself

I think there are a lot of assumptions here though.

Like what about blockers? What about other mechanisms that prevent kills, like hiding, jailing, etc.

For all we know it could have been 3 or 4 kills N1/N2.

I think you're jumping to conclusions.

 

[Clem J]

I do want to gently point out that SAR (who was scum) tried to vote me out 2 days in a row. Why do you think I'm scum, apop? Why do you think I'm still in the game at this point? Why would SAR want me gone?

Sar was independent and unaware of anyone else's alignment. That's how serial killer works.

 

[Clem J]

I think there are a lot of assumptions here though.

Like what about blockers? What about other mechanisms that prevent kills, like hiding, jailing, etc.

For all we know it could have been 3 or 4 kills N1/N2.

I think you're jumping to conclusions.

Yeah those things are technically possible

But they aren't the most likely, so

 

[Clem J]

Because 2 deaths each night means there are overlaps and/or blocks and/or holstering in such a way that there are exactly 2 deaths for three nights in a row

It's not impossible obviously but it's so much more likely that there's one scum faction and a (now-dead) SK.

If we get 2 deaths again tonight I'll care, until then 🤷‍♀️

 

[Clem J]

I have some info to share that may be important

Better share it then

 

[Zenge142]

Dead is @samac Village Doctor (Village Mason + Village Doctor)

Dead is @WildZoo Village Mason (Village Enabler + Village Mason)

Oooof. Samac really did throw away the chance to be a Mason, and then Mason chat sat empty. Brutal.

 

[Clem J]

Better share it then

If it's so important to share that you shouldn't be hammered, it should just be shared lol

If it's information that mafia having would hurt more than it would help village to have, then you should keep it to yourself either way

 

[apoptosis09]

1. If we're looking for another wolf partner for PSV/spurs as the last scum, I believe that either apop or alissa could be paired with them.
2. I believe that you, kitz, clem, and rae are all village. It does make me a little nervous that you're still alive, zenge, but for the moment I think it's okay - I will be more concerned if you're still alive a day cycle or two from now.
3. To be fair I haven't finished iso'ing apop yet and haven't done alissa. But at least from what I've seen of apop I still feel like she's been more passive than I'm used to. I'm up to D2 and I feel like I'm seeing a lot of changing reads based on what other players are saying. (which I've done too, don't get me wrong). I just feel like in past games I've seen a more active apop than this. Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why apop is scumreading me so hard. Apop starts out fully village reading me and then reads shorty's iso in which shorty suggests that I may be paired with spurs (and then retracts that after PSV flip) and apop has been scumreading me ever since. I almost feel like there's a lack of independent thought and parroting what other players are already saying (sorry apop, this is not a critique of your playstyle ily).
I will update with my thoughts on alissa and more complete thoughts on apop when I have time to finish the iso's.

Your points on me aren't wrong (except for the scum interpretation part), it just feels like all of your reads have been the typical low fruit. I throw a lot of **** around early game typically, but I rarely ever push anyone unless I feel like I have a really good case (maybe once per game at most). I may not be as heavy-handed as some players but I don't make choices for nothing, and you're leaving out all of the parts I've disagreed with people's readings, and every reading I've given evidence for.

Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why apop is scumreading me so hard. Apop starts out fully village reading me and then reads shorty's iso in which shorty suggests that I may be paired with spurs (and then retracts that after PSV flip) and apop has been scumreading me ever since. I almost feel like there's a lack of independent thought and parroting what other players are already saying (sorry apop, this is not a critique of your playstyle ily).

I don't quite connect how I'm equally passive and also scumreading so hard (which, fwiw, I have a non-zero reason for thinking you're scum but I'm not pushing to throw you off the cliff - if I can be convinced I will be. I hope it doesn't feel like I'm stonewalling you). This is also as hard as I'm going to push (probably ever), I just felt like you deserved a proper case to be made beyond "vibes" at this point in the game.


Anyway, here's wonderwall

 

[apoptosis09]

Oooof. Samac really did throw away the chance to be a Mason, and then Mason chat sat empty. Brutal.

Man that's rough

 

[Clem J]

I fixed the theme and now I don't have the hamburger menu

I still get the menu when I click where jt should be, but it doesn't display

Still better than the other godawful one

 

[_rae_]

I HATE THIS NEW THEME I BLAME SPURS

Beans and I are lovebirds. If you kill one of us you kill both of us, which we can’t afford right now. I’m gonna be real, I’m not going to have reads until tomorrow. I’m sorry I’ve been so absent, I really thought finals would be a bit calmer than this.

 

[_rae_]

If hammer wasn’t so small and there wasn’t at least two scum left I would have kept it to myself for longer

 

[apoptosis09]

I HATE THIS NEW THEME I BLAME SPURS

Beans and I are lovebirds. If you kill one of us you kill both of us, which we can’t afford right now. I’m gonna be real, I’m not going to have reads until tomorrow. I’m sorry I’ve been so absent, I really thought finals would be a bit calmer than this.

Oh boy

 

[apoptosis09]

If hammer wasn’t so small and there wasn’t at least two scum left I would have kept it to myself for longer

How do we know theres two left? 🤔

 

[_rae_]

How do we know theres two left? 🤔

Again, I’m assuming because two night kills we have at least two left

 

[_rae_]

Unless someone village has been holding on to a vig shot which would be a WILD choice

 

[beans2020]

Guys...intrusive shower thought.
What if we vote sleep?

 

[apoptosis09]

Again, I’m assuming because two night kills we have at least two left

But one of those was probably SAR? Who is now dead

 

[_rae_]

But one of those was probably SAR? Who is now dead

If she was night killed could she have successfully killed dubz? What’s the order of operations? I know genny was murdered and also vanillarized shorty but are we 1000% sure SAR killed dubz?

 

[_rae_]

Also, @Clem J , why’d you claim an NK?

 

[Zenge142]

Also, @Clem J , why’d you claim an NK?

I’m sorry, what was this?

 

[beans2020]

If it's so important to share that you shouldn't be hammered, it should just be shared lol

If it's information that mafia having would hurt more than it would help village to have, then you should keep it to yourself either way

See rae's post

 

[apoptosis09]

I’m sorry, what was this?

Here

To whom it may concern:

I'm gonna kill dubz tonight. Don't cross shoot pls and ty

 

[beans2020]

Was he being serious though?

 

[beans2020]

WIFOM would scum Clem say something like that?? Seems out of pocket even for him

 

[Zenge142]

Beans and I are lovebirds. If you kill one of us you kill both of us, which we can’t afford right now. I’m gonna be real, I’m not going to have reads until tomorrow. I’m sorry I’ve been so absent, I really thought finals would be a bit calmer than this.

Do you know for a fact Beans is town?

Like Lover!Mafia would be possible. I’m just wondering if you know for a fact Beans is town

 

[Zenge142]

Do you know for a fact Beans is town?

Like Lover!Mafia would be possible. I’m just wondering if you know for a fact Beans is town

Like I believe you’re town 100% but you could also be lovers with a scum.

Just want to get a sense of what you absolutely know for sure.

 

[Zenge142]

Here

Hmm

Yeet Clem.

@Animal Midwife @Dr. ForgotToFlush

 

[_rae_]

Do you know for a fact Beans is town?

Like Lover!Mafia would be possible. I’m just wondering if you know for a fact Beans is town

I don’t. I was the lovebird and I picked beans. I *think* beans is town based on info they’ve given me.

 

[apoptosis09]

Unvote beans

Until we decide how to handle this lol.

@kaydubs @Animal Midwife

 

[_rae_]

Current thoughts without ISOing

1. @_rae_ - village
2. @Clem J - I *THINK* this is village Clem. Why in the world would Clem say he was gonna kill dubz if not to goad scum into aiming for dubz so they be able to claim that clem did it?
6. @kitzsuna - derp clear village still? Especially recently when she forgot she outed her might action already
9. @beans2020 - 96% village
10. @alissa14 - scum. No explanation, just process of elimination of who is left.
11. @apoptosis09 - I think apop is village here
12. @Zenge142 - I think Zenge is scum, but I think he’s acting alone. He pushed the hell out of PSV so I don’t think he’s werewolf, and the way he’s been solving I don’t think he has a partner.

 

[_rae_]

Guys...intrusive shower thought.
What if we vote sleep?

Then we both die tomorrow night because I decided to save us from hammer lol

 

[apoptosis09]

Then we both die tomorrow night because I decided to save us from hammer lol

Gth would you pick zenge or clem? (Asking for a friend)

 

[_rae_]

Gth would you pick zenge or clem? (Asking for a friend)

GTH I think I’d pick alissa

 

[_rae_]

I’m so excited to see what shorty is screaming in dead chat

 

[_rae_]

God damn it what if everyone is scum

 

[_rae_]

I’M NOT BUILT FOR MULTIBALL ENDGAME IM SPIRALING

 

[apoptosis09]

God damn it what if everyone is scum

Everyone... but you, I assume? 👀

 

[apoptosis09]

I’M NOT BUILT FOR MULTIBALL ENDGAME IM SPIRALING

Boy you're telling me
I made a SPREADSHEET

APOPS BRAIN IS NOT MADE FOR SPREADSHEET

 

[_rae_]

I feel like Samac

Which means I feel like I’m losing it

 

[_rae_]

Also the one time today I have time to pay attention it’s me and apop