Class of 2021 . . . how ya doin?

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Do you not do everything yourself and someone else takes the patient for diagnostics and you start a second appointment???
For certain services and appointments, yes. For example, most of the equine sports medicine patients are there for a recheck ultrasound, so they get sent over to ultrasound to do that after the sports med clinician does a physical and longes them in the ring. The appointment slots for the primary service aren't necessarily reflective of how long the patient stays in the hospital. On some rotations, we follow the outpatients the whole time.

It really depends a lot on what service it is, what the appointment is for, how many faculty and residents are running appointments simultaneously on a given day, yada yada.
 
All of these people who say they have/had days with zero patients... that's in-patients, right?

The most I've had so far is 12 in one day -- 4 in-patients (3 existing, one transfer) and 8 appointments. I've literally never had a day where I have had none. A few rotations have minimal paperwork (ambulatory, ophtho, anesthesia, diagnostic imaging) but that doesn't mean no cases.

I can't even imagine a day without patients on something like Small Animal Medicine. There are typically 8-10 new overnight transfers a day from ER, and that doesn't include appointments or long-term in-patients who are being transferred from other students when the rotation ends.


What's even the point of being there if there are no patients to see?
I had my first day without a patient on Thursday. I'm on cardio and its procedure day on Thursdays. Due to COVID rules, only a limited number of people could be in the OR. We have 6 people on cardio at my school. So the student with the dog and a student with a camera were in the OR. The rest of us were in the rounds room, watching the surgery and chit chatting all day.

It just really depends. We have 133 students in our class, and probably 30 island students from there. Some services only have 4-6 students (onco, cardio, neuro for me) and that's a good number to see a lot of cases. Others have 7-10 (anesthesia, surgery, and internal med for me) and some times 7 isnt enough students cause we get so slammed. @SportPonies had the neuro block before me, and they were drowning. When I was on neuro, we didnt get called in a single night, and only had 2 surgeries the whole block. There have been 3 transfers for soft tissue surgery every day this week. We didnt have a single transfer the entire time I was on soft tissue.

Covid has drastically changed things cause we simply cannot be as efficient and therefore cant physically see as many patients. Only half the surgery students can be in the hospital at a time, and they switch out at 12 or 2 (soft tissue vs ortho). So if your surgery time changes due to emergencies or literally any reason, you can potentially go through all of surgery without scrubbing in once. Happened to my best friend last block.

Regardless, there has to be something to do in a hospital instead of sitting in the lobby for 12 hours at a time? Check on a patient, hold a dog for a classmate, help someone write their discharges, read an article and talk to a resident about it, stand in ER by the lab machines and offer to run blood work, etc etc.
Most of these arent an option for us cause of COVID policies or because of other appointments going on. Because of how strict the university is with COVID, they are trying to limit the number of people present within the hospital if at all possible. So some services you only do half days or are sent home early/come in late if your appointments allow for that. There is absolutely no mixing of services beyond what is necessary (which is limited to begin with due to the interconnectedness of our hospital). And while we may only have 1-2 appointments, our house officers have 4-6. So our didactic rounds are limited as they have 2-3x as much appointments and paperwork as we do.

To a certain extent, it can be a make your own adventure, but its limited here. Our clin path lab runs all blood work except NOVAs, which are run by ER. Consults (mostly) can only have 2 students, one from each service involved. Services do allow for teamwork, but it only takes 2 people for a physical exam.

It's an unfortunate situation of luck of the draw/fate. I dont really think there is an overarching solution for those of us that have those days where we have zero patients or the blocks we dont have a high case load.
 
How many patients do you guys see on average? I am always hearing about students in certain rotations that have multiple days of 0 patients and have to just sit in the lobby doing nothing for 12 hours. My roommate started IM on Monday and has had 1 yesterday and 1 today, but 0 Monday.

It just seems so wrong
When I was on internal, most of the time you had 1 per day of a new appointment. Sometimes 2 if one was a recheck. I usually had at least one impatient as well. But like, you aren’t just sitting around even if you just have one. You are doing paperwork, running them around the hospital to get all their diagnostics, helping classmates with theirs, etc. IM patients are pretty involved and you aren’t just sitting around.

The only rotation I ever really had nothing to do at times was community practice. Cause those are basic outpatient things and when you have 30-35 patients that day split between 4-5 students, you’re gonna have some down time. Every other rotation if I didn’t have something to do with my own patients, I either was helping my classmates or working on paperwork or researching my cases.
 
NAVLE is done
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Happy Holidays everyone. Holy moly it's been awhile since I posted. I take NAVLE on Wednesday and I hope I'm not the only one that didn't prepare nearly as much as I planned to. Hearing all these people say "Yea, I finished VetPrep!" or "I got through 85%" truly made me feel like a slacker.

Congrats to all of you that have finished and passed. I hate you.

Jk 😊
 
Just here to say how absolutely thrilled I am that I got called in on my last ISO/ER/ICU shift for a parvo puppy and that I had to hunt down the student to get rounded on this patient.

To future fourth years: if someone is taking care of your patient for you (whether its by choice or because of school policies), you find them to give them the low down. Its not their responsibility to hunt you down to get info.

End 1:30 am grumbling
 
Just here to say how absolutely thrilled I am that I got called in on my last ISO/ER/ICU shift for a parvo puppy and that I had to hunt down the student to get rounded on this patient.

To future fourth years: if someone is taking care of your patient for you (whether its by choice or because of school policies), you find them to give them the low down. Its not their responsibility to hunt you down to get info.

End 1:30 am grumbling
On a similar note, please make sure your records are thorough and up to date when your patient gets transferred to another service. Very frustrating to be the student who acquires a patient with an incomplete record.
 
ugh I’m stressing!


Classmates of mine didn't hear back until closer to 12-1 PM for the results release last month. Just for those of you with results anxiety. Good luck, all! :happy:
hello that is me

I’m on swing shift for ER and supposed to be sleeping but every like hour my body wakes up like “what about now?”
 
Ah, but didn’t anyone tell the ICVA people...

Best of luck, y’all!!
Don’t worry someone did tell ICVA it’s supposed to be today
Someone in my class emailed ICVA and was told to watch email closely this week. And apparently our dean already has our scores....
 
All of these people who say they have/had days with zero patients... that's in-patients, right?

The most I've had so far is 12 in one day -- 4 in-patients (3 existing, one transfer) and 8 appointments. I've literally never had a day where I have had none. A few rotations have minimal paperwork (ambulatory, ophtho, anesthesia, diagnostic imaging) but that doesn't mean no cases.

I can't even imagine a day without patients on something like Small Animal Medicine. There are typically 8-10 new overnight transfers a day from ER, and that doesn't include appointments or long-term in-patients who are being transferred from other students when the rotation ends.


What's even the point of being there if there are no patients to see?
Given that administrations answer to budget short falls is adding more out of state students, I imagine it is just going to get worse here.
 
ugh I’m stressing!



hello that is me

I’m on swing shift for ER and supposed to be sleeping but every like hour my body wakes up like “what about now?”
Is it just not happening today ??😭
 
Congrats to those getting the NAVLE beast outta your hair!!! If anyone did not and does not wish to speak up, know that there are plenty of very capable vets out there that took one or two more tries and there are people even here who can give advice and lend an ear. Never feel you are alone in your struggles.

Much love, c/o '21!! Hang in there and just know you're about to be on the other side, and even though it is scary, it's so much better. haha
 
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