Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

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Wisp being church goes by the fact that he stated to vouch for Sar in D2 , and I remeber that you also said to know fluff was church?

So I'm guessing that Wisp could vouch for SAR because they would know what the vouch of SAR was about
 
Santygrass said:
Also, a thing I wanted to look at in that EoD is Wisp progression in you?

Because one of my reads is that Wisp is likely to be church too, but I saw him floating an idea of maybe someone from church being wolf anyway,.but then later he is stating to fully trust Fluff/Sar or whatever . So I dont know if I'm being a little too paranoid with Wisp and his perspective of the game that I just cant grasp.

Do you have any thoughts there?


Like, cooling off I think that is possible that your wagon was also, Black-Eagles boosted (Woer outing your faction good idea amirite) , so idk how much of wolves were pushing there really, but also like, if Wisp is really church and he was the one voting you with the perspective of 'the church wolf' even tho he knew that fluff was vouching for you, kinda makes me think that W!Wisp was proyecting? Idk man I'm on drugs amd rambling and not even sure if sharing this read is a good idea, but we seem to be kinda decided on Miranda so might as well throw some tinfoil
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(Wisp's read on me seemed to change on a dime, and I haven't completely unraveled what I think it means. And in general my wagon seemed really stubborn. It mostly built before I was on thread much, which is fine, like if I'm not around much it's not surprising that that'll happen. But then it stayed even when I was doing more. So I definitely ended with the impression that there were probably wolf votes on me somewhere. And personally I don't think I've ever seen a jailer claim result in them getting yeeted harder 🤣
But, if miranda's a hit then there you go. After I claimed they would have wanted me gone for sure.

Also notable re: Poppy that Wisp and Poppy were the votes that put me in the lead when Poppy was in contention earlier in the day.

And random thing that stuck in my brain that I wanted to circle back and ask you and Clem: do you believe that Wisp went and read my champs qualifier game? Seemed like a weird thing to make up, but idk)
 
Viscernable said:
Did she claim that it was specifically the same reason SAR vouched for her?
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justafluff said:
I did and I’m not lying. I don’t know what Zenge is talking about.
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This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Bryan Cranston Mic Drop GIF

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.
 
Zenge142 said:
This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Bryan Cranston Mic Drop GIF

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.
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Hmm I have my thoughts on this, but I want to hear fluff's first
 
side note: tried looking up poppy/miranda messages that were notable to me. I haven't found a ton to be gained from it, but I'll give my thoughts anyway
miranda920 said:
I guess that’s what makes it difficult if you aren’t familiar with the game and lore.
I don’t know what all the roles are, but my role is associated with the location I signed up for. So I imagine the roles (which house or allegiance) are based on your location that you signed up for.
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not much here other than miranda is listed as being from the Garreg Mach Monastery. Tomas is from here. So is Hanneman. Frankly, it seems like a significant portion of characters reside here according to the wiki. like almost all of them? So miranda saying this was not super helpful.

PlumPoppy said:
I feel good about Wondalfy, Dubz, Santy, and AM. Zuri is pretty much clear to me (is he still in the game?). Wiisp scares me a bit, but he seems really committed on wolf-hunting, so I think he's good. Samac seems to have some good insight too for just catching up. Chic I feel ok about, neutral in my mind.

I'm a bit sus on Lawpy for mostly asking others how they feel about others. But this may just be play style.

I haven't seen much from Nate outside of his VanillaIce rp and thorough spreadsheet, but I'm shocked he hasn't contributed more since. Is he quietly lurking?

Idek what to think about genny. Someone mentioned that it could be someone else protecting them but isn't revealing that info. Why would they reveal this so early? I'll need to go back, but seems like 🎣 for a yeet-protector or whatever it might be.

Miranda and mothy have been quiet, which makes me sus.

I'm concerned about fluff but it seems like a weird slip for a wolf to not know they're a wolf? I understand this is a factional/experimental game but I thought the traditional wolf wincon would be pretty straightforward...

Players I don't really have a read on and need to look into more: alley, Zenge, April
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Poppy defended a lot of people I also find more trustworthy, including Poppy defending myself several times. Wondering if poppy was putting other wolves in the more sus category for some reverse psychology or the neutral category.

miranda920 said:
Okie dokie, I think I am more or less caught up

here is where I stand

Fluff - I was suspicious of fluff yesterday for being wolfy, but now I feel maybe less wolf more 3p. Doesn't read town at all for me. I'm weary of them.
Genny - as we don't know why genny didn't die, sus for wolf, but we just don't have enough information. I agree with others, it would be pointless to continue going after her at this time.
PSV - don't have a good read on PSV
April - reads more village to me, just a gut feeling
Nate - He made a spreadsheet and has had a few pop-ins, seems kind of wolfy to me
Wisp - I feel good about them, they seem very dedicated to wolf-hunting
Poppy - I may be biased as she murdered me in cold blood on D2 of our noob game, but Poppy seems to be approaching the game as she had previously, she reads neutral to me

For now

yeet Nate
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Poppy was mentioned by miranda as being trustworthy here. Backed off fluff, claims fluff may be 3p, which is an odd phrase for a faction-based game.

PlumPoppy said:
The only mention I could give was being sus of anyone who didn't think that hunting wolves was the goal. (See genny's comment as the last quote)

I'm sus of anyone who doesn't think wolf hunting is the priority especially on d1. This is really the only info I had to go off.

But I also didn't appreciate their fluffiness and not really seeming pro-village by not wanting to wolf hunt? As I said here, that early in the game all we had were ~vibes~. Apparently someone said genny is fluffy no matter if they're village or wolf?

Zuri seemed like too smart a wolf to reveal so much about his role in my mind.

I also didn't understand the veggie train, so I wasn't voting her either. She gives me village noob vibes

The other main voice of focusing on game mechanics too much was zuri. And I didn't want to vote zuri because he seemed a lot more methodical and less chaotic than his prior wolf play.
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I also want to point this out since plum was a wolf and wanted to focus on wolf-hunting/thought those who wanted to focus on factions were "suspicious." Makes me again think those who wanted to focus on factions are less likely to be wolves.

There's not a ton here so I'm hoping for more thoughts.

*edited for saying "types" instead of "times"
 
NateTheLesser said:
And random thing that stuck in my brain that I wanted to circle back and ask you and Clem: do you believe that Wisp went and read my champs qualifier game? Seemed like a weird thing to make up, but idk)
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I dont know if @Clem J saw this question .

As for myself, I think its... NAI from Wisp? Like, something he can easily do to form a read since its part of his usual progress .
 
Santygrass said:
I need a ELI5 how that proves that fluff is outed :slap:
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As in, from what I am reading, it seems your info is that SAR vouch for Fluff , and Fluff vouch for Nate are different or based on different stuff?
But like... I think its kinda obvious that they both were vouchs based on information/role things that indicated they were the same aff.

Idk if I'm missing something that its a perspective slip that makes them a wolf
 
alleycat03 said:
That's interesting because mine doesn't. It says to eliminate the "nefarious forces"
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Mine does not say Those Who Slither In the Dark either. Mine says "the darkness".

Santygrass said:
The fact that Miranda wrote about PSV possibly redirecting wonda or whatever but didnt address my question about giving reads makes me feel reassured that it's a hit.
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I agree with this. Also, logically speaking, none of this would make sense. PSV is a villager, so I see no reason why he would purposefully redirect unless he believed that the action would be a kill from Wonda. PSV was not sussing on Wonda to my knowledge, and even if so, why would he direct a (assumed kill) onto Miranda? The chances that PSV chose to redirect onto Miranda while Wonda also acted on Miranda (interactions/pairings that were not significantly present during day phase) seems very low. At this point I highly doubt it was a redirect.

Zenge142 said:
I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.
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I am inclined to believe Zenge's role reveal, although this is not enough to clear village for me. A role copy seems like an extremely fun mechanic in the hands of the wolves as it allows for a ton of really fun claims and 5D chess. That said, from the pretty blatant discussion from SAR and Zenge about this role, I guessed SAR had some kind of martyr (idk if this is the actual role name don't @ me) mechanic linking them with fluff, so this reveal all makes sense. SAR and Zenge would have to be doing some pretty intense wolfing to coordinate all this (while at the same time hoping fluff would vouch for SAR).

Fluff has also been stating this entire time that SAR is of her same faction/affiliation, but SAR has not verified or endorsed this at all. It seems that Nate was aware of fluff's affiliation though, so it begs the question of why some supposed members of her affiliation know her identify and some don't. Possibly SAR is not of fluff's affiliation after all?

Idk if I read fluff as wolf necessarily but I am convinced you are an exclusive wincon faction that is not villager-friendly.
 
Santygrass said:
I need a ELI5 how that proves that fluff is outed :slap:
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Here's what I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

SAR states that they do not want fluff to be killed.
Zenge asks for clarification.
SAR specifies that this is NOT due to affiliation, and hints that it is due to role mechanics.
Zenge understands.
Nate/fluff vouch for each other by stating they are of the same affiliation/faction.
Someone asks fluff whether she can also vouch for SAR in the same way.
fluff confirms, says that she is vouching for SAR in the same way she is vouching for Nate (e.g. SAR is her same affiliation). Has leaned hard into this by insisting that yes, SAR is in their affiliation/faction.
SAR never really stated that they wanted fluff kept alive for affiliation reasons.
Zenge just confirmed that SAR/fluff are tied by role mechanics, not necessarily for affiliation reasons.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Also, logically speaking, none of this would make sense. PSV is a villager, so I see no reason why he would purposefully redirect unless he believed that the action would be a kill from Wonda. PSV was not sussing on Wonda to my knowledge, and even if so, why would he direct a (assumed kill) onto Miranda? The chances that PSV chose to redirect onto Miranda while Wonda also acted on Miranda (interactions/pairings that were not significantly present during day phase) seems very low. At this point I highly doubt it was a redirect.
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Quick clarification:
If it was a redirect, then Psv targeted wondalfy and directed them to target who really is Tomas.

So, if Miranda somehow isnt a hit , if we conclude they were redirected we should look into another sus from PSV .

But also AM is right that no one seems to be post restricted, so its highly likely that PSV didnt act
 
Santygrass said:
Quick clarification:
If it was a redirect, then Psv targeted wondalfy and directed them to target who really is Tomas.

So, if Miranda somehow isnt a hit , if we conclude they were redirected we should look into another sus from PSV .

But also AM is right that no one seems to be post restricted, so its highly likely that PSV didnt act
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That makes sense. I had it backwards (targeting the action giver vs. targeting the action receiver).
 
Zenge142 said:
This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Bryan Cranston Mic Drop GIF

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.
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Zenge

This screams of octaves

I can't even explain it exactly but your tone sounds so fake
 
chicandtoughness said:
Here's what I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

SAR states that they do not want fluff to be killed.
Zenge asks for clarification.
SAR specifies that this is NOT due to affiliation, and hints that it is due to role mechanics.
Zenge understands.
Nate/fluff vouch for each other by stating they are of the same affiliation/faction.
Someone asks fluff whether she can also vouch for SAR in the same.
fluff confirms, says that she is vouching for SAR in the same way she is vouching for Nate (e.g. SAR is her same affiliation). Has leaned hard into this by insisting that yes, SAR is in their affiliation/faction.
SAR never really stated that they wanted fluff kept alive for affiliation reasons.
Zenge just confirmed that SAR/fluff are tied by role mechanics, not necessarily for affiliation reasons.
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So I guess that @SARdoghandler could confirm/deny this ?

I mean, I think SAR didnt said nothing against it so I was kinda assuming they were also church lol, so the vouch would be affiliation reasons but using 'role' to not out their aff so early (which they did amyways. #getrektchurch )
 
Santygrass said:
I dont know if @Clem J saw this question .

As for myself, I think its... NAI from Wisp? Like, something he can easily do to form a read since its part of his usual progress .
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(I think it just stuck out to me because I wasn't sure why he was so concerned about my slot that he'd go to that extent, and in hindsight it could have been a way to say "oh he looks different" to justify a vote. But it may be nothing)
 
Wondalfy said:
side note: tried looking up poppy/miranda messages that were notable to me. I haven't found a ton to be gained from it, but I'll give my thoughts anyway

not much here other than miranda is listed as being from the Garreg Mach Monastery. Tomas is from here. So is Hanneman. Frankly, it seems like a significant portion of characters reside here according to the wiki. like almost all of them? So miranda saying this was not super helpful.


Poppy defended a lot of people I also find more trustworthy, including Poppy defending myself several times. Wondering if poppy was putting other wolves in the more sus category for some reverse psychology or the neutral category.


Poppy was mentioned by miranda as being trustworthy here. Backed off fluff, claims fluff may be 3p, which is an odd phrase for a faction-based game.


I also want to point this out since plum was a wolf and wanted to focus on wolf-hunting/thought those who wanted to focus on factions were "suspicious." Makes me again think those who wanted to focus on factions are less likely to be wolves.

There's not a ton here so I'm hoping for more thoughts.

*edited for saying "types" instead of "times"
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ah, I messed up my phrasing here. I'm very tired lol. poppy was not mentioned as being trustworthy by miranda but just "neutral." I think wolves tend to trend other wolves as neutral, no super strong opinions
 
Santygrass said:
I dont know if @Clem J saw this question .

As for myself, I think its... NAI from Wisp? Like, something he can easily do to form a read since its part of his usual progress .
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Reasonably confident I've seen him do it, or at the least claim to do it, as mafia before
 
Some reference posts to the fluff/SAR situation:
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Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

Dis - was this resolved AM got the info but it's unclear because of differing definitions
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Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

everyone had two lives Oh I love that kind of setup hehe
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I said he was neutral. Nothing's pinged me yet but I also don't feel I've seen enough to mark him village yet. :bag: Oh good, then I can watch the battle with more intrigue. You said you're village reading me though, right?
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I'm still stuck on how you're so confident he's not a wolf. Cause I’m not a wolf!
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Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

I'm still stuck on how you're so confident he's not a wolf. Cause I’m not a wolf!
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chicandtoughness said:
Mine does not say Those Who Slither In the Dark either. Mine says "the darkness".
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So what I thought was a genuine slip from Mothy, might've just been the mods using different adjectives in the role PMs.

Wasn't trying to get into angle-shooting territory so mods pls don't smite me. At this point, I doubt Mothy calling the wolves those who slither in the darkness is an actual slip. :shrug: Her response does sound genuine
 
NateTheLesser said:
(When you started playing here and most of their games are uncapped I was like "dear god they don't know what they've unleashed" 😆)
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Post caps are fairly new here, I think we’ve only had a couple games with them

Because some people can’t control themselves.
 
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