FTF's Worst Idea Yet (Game Over)

[Animal Midwife]

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I do agree with your analysis. I have a hard time believing Pippy would choose vanilla townie over a not-so-awful mafia role. Perhaps she was offered something better and even more sinister? I think it’s very possible for her to pick something 3P over mafia though

thoughts on MsP? I think MsP is kinda in the same boat as puppy in regards to she likes, or at least doesn’t mind being scum.

She hasn't posted enough for me to tell. I don't see her discard leaning in either direction.

 

[alissa14]

She hasn't posted enough for me to tell. I don't see her discard leaning in either direction.

Really... hm. I just figured that since green grocer wasn’t the worst role she must’ve discarded it for something more interesting. That’s why I’m yeeting her to find out. Though I’m open to flipping to Pippy if that’s the way the votes are heading.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m more inclined to discuss MsP’s choice. Green grocer isn’t that terrible.. you basically send vegetables every night. Useful? No but are any of the other roles useful? Something must’ve been super tempting to her to pick something else. For this reason, I think I’ll start with

yeet MsP

I'm not really following the logic. There are a lot of roles that would be more useful and exciting, right? And why does being useful and exciting mean wolfy?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Really... hm. I just figured that since green grocer wasn’t the worst role she must’ve discarded it for something more interesting. That’s why I’m yeeting her to find out. Though I’m open to flipping to Pippy if that’s the way the votes are heading.

There are a lot of interesting roles for all affiliations. That's why it's not really meaningful to me.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Really... hm. I just figured that since green grocer wasn’t the worst role she must’ve discarded it for something more interesting. That’s why I’m yeeting her to find out. Though I’m open to flipping to Pippy if that’s the way the votes are heading.

We still have another 8ish hours to go and not even a full page of posts, why would Pippy be "the way the votes are heading"?

 

[alissa14]

Also for the noobs out there who may not know this or if you didn’t read or understand the rules. This game is being played with majority or “maj” rules. Basically that means the vote or yeet is automatically closed if a player reaches majority of the votes. For example, tonight the majority would be 8. The player who reaches this majority is yeeted. If a player never reaches the Maj then plurality takes over, or whoever has the most votes at the end. The final vote placed in order for a player to reach majority is called the hammer vote. As you’ve noticed in the discards, there are many role modifiers in the game that revolve around majority mechanics. Example is the hated modifier. This player would need 1 less than majority for majority to be reached. So for tonight, if a hated player is in the game, they would need 7 votes to be yeeted instead of 8. This mechanic is not common on our forum but it is on other forums. I hope I explained this well. If anyone has anything else to add on feel free

edited to correct spelling

 

[alissa14]

We still have another 8ish hours to go and not even a full page of posts, why would Pippy be "the way the votes are heading"?

I’m not saying she is. That’s why I said if. I just agreed with AM’s quick analysis that it’s a bit surprising to see Pippy discard a mafia role that we both agree that isn’t awful.

I think we can all agree that the majority of the roles are awful, it’s just a matter of “what is less awful”

 

[BobLoblaw78]

There are a lot of interesting roles for all affiliations. That's why it's not really meaningful to me.

But it is safe to assume they chose the favorable role with their personal preferences in mind. If someone discarded the best villager role, it is likely they went with another affiliation. Unfortunately I can’t read ppls preferences much less the favorability of the roles as well as I would like

 

[alissa14]

I'm not really following the logic. There are a lot of roles that would be more useful and exciting, right? And why does being useful and exciting mean wolfy?

There aren’t any roles in this game that I would consider super useful. Sure there are cops and seers and doctors and such, but the majority of them are modified in a way to make them near useless

 

[Animal Midwife]

But it is safe to assume they chose the favorable role with their personal preferences in mind. If someone discarded the best villager role, it is likely they went with another affiliation. Unfortunately I can’t read ppls preferences much less the favorability of the roles as well as I would like

For sure, but we can't be 100% sure what option #2 was enjoyability-wise in comparison to the discarded one. imo any fruit vendor is far from best village role on this list.

 

[alissa14]

@Aprilthearab take for example the Multiple Personality role. At face value, a JOAT (Jack of all trades) is a great role to have. But because the player can’t choose which of the abilities to use on the targeted player, it makes it difficult to gain any useful knowledge from the night results.

second, mason is an option. But only one player can choose the mason. Mason is normally considered a PR because there are two masons in the game. These masons have their own PM together and know each other mod cleared village. But in a game where it’s only possible to have one player be a lone mason, the role is essentially vanilla

 

[alissa14]

For sure, but we can't be 100% sure what option #2 was enjoyability-wise in comparison to the discarded one. imo any fruit vendor is far from best village role on this list.

In your opinion what is the best village role on the list besides vanilla townie?

 

[Animal Midwife]

In your opinion what is the best village role on the list besides vanilla townie?

Mason, insane switch bloodhound, and washing machine.

 

[alissa14]

Mason, insane switch bloodhound, and washing machine.

There’s only one mason so it’s essentially vanilla. Washing machine silences you the next day. And idk exactly what the insane switch bloodhound is

 

[Animal Midwife]

There’s only one mason so it’s essentially vanilla. Washing machine silences you the next day. And idk exactly what the insane switch bloodhound is

Mason is not simply vanilla. It's also a named townie.

Being silenced once isn't bad if you manage your reads well.

Insane switch bloodhound is an investigative role that flips between getting correct affiliation results and complete opposite affiliation results. Hardly an issue if you're patient (or just savvy enough to tell which is real very quickly). Becomes increasingly more powerful the longer you live.

 

[Crayola227]

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What is submeta and hostmeta, and what is the usage that is considered angelshooting? Can you give an example?

Also what is a "trust tell"?

 

[Crayola227]

Its not funny , midwife . My role is town y'know?

You have a 50 percent chance of losing a town member everyday

Not exactly. Pick well and the chances go down.

 

[Crayola227]

Pippy discarding mafia seer lover is interesting.

Can you explain why.

 

[Crayola227]

T

Okay so one of FTF’s post specifically said the best thing Scum can do is fake claim early, and this is by far the fastest role reveal I’ve ever seen so it’s definitely eye popping.
It’s immediately followed up with PR hunting for a doctor.



So worst case scenario this doesn’t look good.

This game is pretty chaotic so I’m getting my bearings still, but I’m definitely keeping an eye on Chaos.

Zenge makes a valid point, however the way he jumped on this and used appeal to authority has me eyeing him as well.

 

[Crayola227]

I have no idea what's going on either 😀

reads wolfy to me

 

[Crayola227]

Ehhhhh, pretty sure she loves chaos if able but I could be misremembering

She is a filthy filthy 3P lover yes true

 

[sunshinefl]

first

Yeet sunshine

Why the Naked BS vote for me in the very first post before I even got to the thread?

Pippy discarding mafia seer lover is interesting.

Is this angle shooting?

y'all are acting like you didn't read the role list warning in signups

I did. But there were 100 and they were crazy. I could barely understand my two options, and then only because they came with some explanation, but I still didn’t really understand the 1 I discarded.

I'm inclined to lean AM village because I don't think she would turn town a village role for a wolf role, knowing how much she hates wolfing. Solid read pending more posting of course

Is this angle shooting?

Also for the noobs out there who may not know this or if you didn’t read or understand the rules. This game is being played with majority or “maj” rules. Basically that means the vote or yeet is automatically closed if a player reaches majority of the votes. For example, tonight the majority would be 8. The player who reaches this majority is yeeted. If a player never reaches the Maj then plurality takes over, or whoever has the most votes at the end. The final vote placed in order for a player to reach majority is called the hammer vote. As you’ve noticed in the discards, there are many role modifiers in the game that revolve around majority mechanics. Example is the hated modifier. This player would need 1 less than majority for majority to be reached. So for tonight, if a hated player is in the game, they would need 7 votes to be yeeted instead of 8. This mechanic is not common on our forum but it is on other forums. I hope I explained this well. If anyone has anything else to add on feel free

edited to correct spelling

Hmmm.... overly helpful?

 

[JustPaws]

alissa, have you been lining your pockets with vulpix fur to lure our AM somewhere cozy?

vote alissa

 

[Crayola227]

I just think it’s interesting that you’re discussing this in general. Mechanics talk isn’t your thing and this isn’t mechanics talk but I feel lot his kind of angling isn’t typical for you

This feels like stretching, because yeah this sounds like AM reasoning

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why the Naked BS vote for me in the very first post before I even got to the thread?

I always start my games this way.

 

[Crayola227]

Really... hm. I just figured that since green grocer wasn’t the worst role she must’ve discarded it for something more interesting. That’s why I’m yeeting her to find out. Though I’m open to flipping to Pippy if that’s the way the votes are heading.

So wolfy, especially the last sentence.

 

[Crayola227]

There are a lot of interesting roles for all affiliations. That's why it's not really meaningful to me.

What isn't meaningful to you? You mean MsPs role discard surely. Not Pips which you called interesting.

 

[Animal Midwife]

What isn't meaningful to you? You mean MsPs role discard surely. Not Pips which you called interesting.

Yes, I mean MsP here.

 

[Crayola227]

Also for the noobs out there who may not know this or if you didn’t read or understand the rules. This game is being played with majority or “maj” rules. Basically that means the vote or yeet is automatically closed if a player reaches majority of the votes. For example, tonight the majority would be 8. The player who reaches this majority is yeeted. If a player never reaches the Maj then plurality takes over, or whoever has the most votes at the end. The final vote placed in order for a player to reach majority is called the hammer vote. As you’ve noticed in the discards, there are many role modifiers in the game that revolve around majority mechanics. Example is the hated modifier. This player would need 1 less than majority for majority to be reached. So for tonight, if a hated player is in the game, they would need 7 votes to be yeeted instead of 8. This mechanic is not common on our forum but it is on other forums. I hope I explained this well. If anyone has anything else to add on feel free

edited to correct spelling

Do you play on other sites? Am I allowed to ask this? Trying to get a sense of your experience level since to me you are a noob

 

[sunshinefl]

T
Zenge makes a valid point, however the way he jumped on this and used appeal to authority has me eyeing him as well.

It was a valid point. It was pretty striking to me as well that chaos just completely role revealed in like the second game post and his first, and also asked for the doctor to put themselves. However, it’s also easy as scum to call out the sus things that villagers inevitably do. Plus, they could both be scum but one is mafia and one is cult? I think we have 2 scum factions if I understood correctly.

 

[Crayola227]

@Aprilthearab take for example the Multiple Personality role. At face value, a JOAT (Jack of all trades) is a great role to have. But because the player can’t choose which of the abilities to use on the targeted player, it makes it difficult to gain any useful knowledge from the night results.

second, mason is an option. But only one player can choose the mason. Mason is normally considered a PR because there are two masons in the game. These masons have their own PM together and know each other mod cleared village. But in a game where it’s only possible to have one player be a lone mason, the role is essentially vanilla

Are they not informed by the mod which action was used after they get the result? Or wouldn't the result itself hint ie "Shorty visited so and so" or "You saw Shorty kill"?

And the second mason role isn't in the list for discard, are you sure it isn't still randomly assigned by the mod?

 

[sunshinefl]

It was a valid point. It was pretty striking to me as well that chaos just completely role revealed in like the second game post and his first, and also asked for the doctor to put themselves. However, it’s also easy as scum to call out the sus things that villagers inevitably do. Plus, they could both be scum but one is mafia and one is cult? I think we have 2 scum factions if I understood correctly.

Doctor to Out themselves* (Since flushy’s rules say we can’t edit)

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Yeet Chaos

 

[JustPaws]

It was a valid point. It was pretty striking to me as well that chaos just completely role revealed in like the second game post and his first, and also asked for the doctor to put themselves. However, it’s also easy as scum to call out the sus things that villagers inevitably do. Plus, they could both be scum but one is mafia and one is cult? I think we have 2 scum factions if I understood correctly.

Pretty sure there could be a bunch of factions? There are a ton on the night result order of action list. SK, mafia, werewolf, goo etc

 

[Crayola227]

alissa, have you been lining your pockets with vulpix fur to lure our AM somewhere cozy?

vote alissa

Can you explain why you think alissa is pocketing AM?

 

[JustPaws]

Can you explain why you think alissa is pocketing AM?

Agreeing, lynching map, general interaction

 

[JustPaws]

Agreeing, lynching map, general interaction

MsP*

 

[Crayola227]

I always start my games this way.

While this is true you usually give a different reason than this when asked.

This is almost a "but it's my meta defense" which in the absence of a more townie reason is almost always a wolf defending their play.

 

[Crayola227]

Yeet Chaos

Feels opportunistic

 

[Crayola227]

Pretty sure there could be a bunch of factions? There are a ton on the night result order of action list. SK, mafia, werewolf, goo etc

But are they listed in the list? I'd have to look

 

[Animal Midwife]

While this is true you usually give a different reason than this when asked.

This is almost a "but it's my meta defense" which in the absence of a more townie reason is almost always a wolf defending their play.

I don't know that I've ever said anything any different. It's just NAI and what I do because I like early voting/pressure.

 

[Crayola227]

##### vote alissa ####

I may not be on too much before close. We'll see I have stuff to go do now

 

[Crayola227]

I don't know that I've ever said anything any different. It's just NAI and what I do because I like early voting/pressure.

You do, but why her to pressure first like this? Why not someone else?

 

[JustPaws]

Feels opportunistic

Is it? Seems easier to jump on the alissa posts

 

[Crayola227]

I just want to hear your reasoning.

 

[Crayola227]

Is it? Seems easier to jump on the alissa posts

Unless alissa is a wolf partner

 

[Animal Midwife]

You do, but why her to pressure first like this? Why not someone else?

Because she was wolf last I played with her.

 

[JustPaws]

Is it? Seems easier to jump on the alissa posts

##### vote alissa ####

I may not be on too much before close. We'll see I have stuff to go do now

Lol my point exactly

 

[JustPaws]

Unless alissa is a wolf partner

Hmm I guess that's a possibility

 

[Animal Midwife]

And the second mason role isn't in the list for discard, are you sure it isn't still randomly assigned by the mod?

There is no more than a single mason. Everything you see in the list is all that can possibly exist in the game.