FTF's Worst Idea Yet (Game Over)

[JustPaws]

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@viscare you voting me or cray. Time to pick a side

@Viscernable

 

[Viscernable]

I thought it was a worst-case scenario thing.

I’m feeling 85:15 on 2 scum vs just mafia. Neither cray, paws, nor you claimed vig so the only way I see for there to have been 3 kills on N1 with the flips we’ve gotten is if there’s another antivillage killer or if the remaining mafia had an extra kill. Do you know if that’s possible from the rolelist? I’ll check it myself, too, but I’m not confident I’ll definitely catch whether it is.

 

[WildZoo]

I was specifically looking for abilities that activate N2 or D3 that would be useful for mafia, werewolf, or antivillage 3p/would be harmful to village.

I guess I just don’t see that as particularly useful for mafia/detrimental to village, when compared to the chance for village to use the D2 on a threat who wasn’t destined to die the next day. Especially the forcing someone else to kill part. Sure, small chance they’re tracked, but idek if there’s any tracker or watcher roles that haven’t been bastardized into uselessness in this setup.

In the end the point isn't really the usefulness, it's that there was literally a scum role that activated d3 that, if you were looking for n2/d3 things, you would have noticed and it would have made much more sense to at least mention it as a possibility and then say "but, meh" like you did with the roleblocker one than to not mention it at all. Are you saying you looked at the role list specifically for n2/d3 activation and it didn't cross your mind that he might be the d3 mafia treestump?

 

[JustPaws]

@Crayola227 are you around to change your vote or no

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m feeling 85:15 on 2 scum vs just mafia. Neither cray, paws, nor you claimed vig so the only way I see for there to have been 3 kills on N1 with the flips we’ve gotten is if there’s another antivillage killer or if the remaining mafia had an extra kill. Do you know if that’s possible from the rolelist? I’ll check it myself, too, but I’m not confident I’ll definitely catch whether it is.

Didn't chaos have a vig component?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I guess one of the things stopping me is if Vis is mafia, why did Zenge put her in danger of death, knowing his claim would out him the next day and he'd die too?

 

[Viscernable]

Didn't chaos have a vig component?

Yes but it was directed towards his bodyguard target hence killing himself. He was the 4th kill, there were three others: wolf factional, mafia factional, ????

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yes but it was directed towards his bodyguard target hence killing himself. He was the 4th kill, there were three others: wolf factional, mafia factional, ????

Who were the kills again?

 

[JustPaws]

Who were the kills again?

Bob genny chaos msP

 

[JustPaws]

Bob genny chaos msP

Zenge claimed genny but who knows if that's real

 

[WildZoo]

Zenge claimed genny but who knows if that's real

Me, realizing I never considered the possibility of him lying about who he killed 😱

 

[JustPaws]

Me, realizing I never considered the possibility of him lying about who he killed 😱

Not supposed to listen to outed wolfs/mafia remember lol

 

[Viscernable]

In the end the point isn't really the usefulness, it's that there was literally a scum role that activated d3 that, if you were looking for n2/d3 things, you would have noticed and it would have made much more sense to at least mention it as a possibility and then say "but, meh" like you did with the roleblocker one than to not mention it at all. Are you saying you looked at the role list specifically for n2/d3 activation and it didn't cross your mind that he might be the d3 mafia treestump?

Sure it crossed my mind, but the question I was asking myself wasn’t “is Z scum”, it was “is Z scum that it’s dangerous to wait until tomorrow to yeet”. I didn’t see a D3 stumper as a possible threat.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is it possible chaos protected Bob?

 

[JustPaws]

What if genny wasn't his kill and she targeted chaos's bodyguard post and died in blow back? Is that possible?

 

[Animal Midwife]

What if genny wasn't his kill and she targeted chaos's bodyguard post and died in blow back? Is that possible?

I don't think so.

 

[Viscernable]

Is it possible chaos protected Bob?

Wouldn’t that have protected Bob from death? I thought the point of the bodyguard was to redirect kill to the bodyguard, not for the bodyguard to die in addition to the target

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wouldn’t that have protected Bob from death? I thought the point of the bodyguard was to redirect kill to the bodyguard, not for the bodyguard to die in addition to the target

Yeah, but look at Bob's ability.

 

[JustPaws]

Wouldn’t that have protected Bob from death? I thought the point of the bodyguard was to redirect kill to the bodyguard, not for the bodyguard to die in addition to the target

Nope it would have caused bob to kill himself

 

[JustPaws]

So zenge killed genny, genny killed msp (or vice versa), chaos killed himself protecting bob and that made bob kill himself

 

[WildZoo]

So zenge killed genny, genny killed msp (or vice versa), chaos killed himself protecting bob and that made bob kill himself

This is the most absurd thing other than my own role name that I've read all game

 

[JustPaws]

So in my mind I am back to cray or vis and is vis trying to push two scum left to save herself

 

[JustPaws]

This is the most absurd thing other than my own role name that I've read all game

But like that's the point of the game right hahah

 

[Animal Midwife]

So in my mind I am back to cray or vis and is vis trying to push two scum left to save herself

Do you have thoughts on the Vis thing I posted earlier?

 

[WildZoo]

So in my mind I am back to cray or vis and is vis trying to push two scum left to save herself

Yeah but idk why she would go for the "yeet me or dubz" angle unless for the WIFOM or because she would survive the yeet somehow

 

[Viscernable]

Yeah, but look at Bob's ability.

Ooooh I forgot about that. Okay, that is a definite possibility for how there could be just mafia left.

 

[JustPaws]

So in my mind I am back to cray or vis and is vis trying to push two scum left to save herself

And cray hasn't come back to consider "changing" her vote

 

[Animal Midwife]

Although, if Vis is fakeclaiming as last mafia, it would buy her a cycle; not end the game.

 

[WildZoo]

I guess based on VCA and cray making weird posts about me (agreeing with the goo monster who I was pushing, no less...) I'm leaning more that direction? I'll look at the trackers again.

 

[JustPaws]

Do you have thoughts on the Vis thing I posted earlier?

I'm sorry when did you post it. Maybe I missed it

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 are you around to change your vote or no

I am at this very moment

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm sorry when did you post it. Maybe I missed it

It's post #1506.

 

[JustPaws]

Cray is back so we gotta make a decision while she is herw

 

[JustPaws]

I guess one of the things stopping me is if Vis is mafia, why did Zenge put her in danger of death, knowing his claim would out him the next day and he'd die too?

I mean he knew he was dying next day right? So can easily switch off without repercussions on him?

 

[Crayola227]

And cray hasn't come back to consider "changing" her vote

It's this stuff you say that seems scummy. Birthday boy is ridic tolerant of WW is all I can say

 

[samac]

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Just want to note I apparently accidentally liked something as I was reading through, total accident and didn’t even realize I did it until someone told me.
Keep having fun guys 👍
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[JustPaws]

It's this stuff you say that seems scummy. Birthday boy is ridic tolerant of WW is all I can say

Chill. As soon as you came back I said ok let's make something work. I'm just trying to game solve

 

[Animal Midwife]

I mean he knew he was dying next day right? So can easily switch off without repercussions on him?

That would end the game if there are exactly two mafia.

 

[JustPaws]

That would end the game if there are exactly two mafia.

Its wifom, yes?

 

[JustPaws]

I guess based on VCA and cray making weird posts about me (agreeing with the goo monster who I was pushing, no less...) I'm leaning more that direction? I'll look at the trackers again.

Any thoughts?

 

[Viscernable]

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Just want to note I apparently accidentally liked something as I was reading through, total accident and didn’t even realize I did it until someone told me.
Keep having fun guys 👍
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tbh I thought it was a non-strategy-related general approval on principle of mechanics tomfoolery and thought nothing of it lol
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[Animal Midwife]

Its wifom, yes?

It only became wifom because dubz decided not to end eod when she said she would. (Which was also after his claim.)

 

[WildZoo]

Any thoughts?

I haven't found the trackers yet forgot to bookmark

 

[JustPaws]

It only became wifom because dubz decided not to end eod when she said she would. (Which was also after his claim.)

Oh I forgot about that. Hmm

 

[Crayola227]

I guess based on VCA and cray making weird posts about me (agreeing with the goo monster who I was pushing, no less...) I'm leaning more that direction? I'll look at the trackers again.

For the record I wasn't pushing you, and I made a follow up post saying so.

But if Bioshock is anything to go by, And heck I got the superlative best evidence based application of WW theory, it's that if there is a point to make about the dangers of 3P, even inclusive 3P, then I'm going to have to make that point on principle. Not understanding how 3P affects the game dynamics and just thinking somehow true neutral, even one playing for village, doesn't affect game balance, is seriously a peeve of mine and if it comes up I get triggered.

You yourself have admitted that being true neutral has affected your gameplay and you're not following a

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh I forgot about that. Hmm

I only put Zenge in the lead because Pippy decided to go on a kamikaze crusade against me last second, so the trackers are pretty eye-opening on where things were at before that.

 

[JustPaws]

Spoiler: Day 1

sunshine (1) - AM
Cray (1) - chaos
MsP (1) - alissa
alissa (1) - Paws
chaos (1) - Bob
alissa (2) - Paws, Cray
Paws (1) - Pippy
alissa (3) - Paws, Cray, MsP
Pippy (1) - dubz
Cray (1) - Zenge
Paws (2) - Pippy, April
Paws (1) - April
dubz (1) - Pippy
Paws (2) - April, sunshine
alissa (2) - Cray, MsP
Vis (1) - Paws
Bob (1) - chaos
Bob (2) - chaos, Vis
MsP () -
sunshine (2) - AM, genny
Paws (3) - April, sunshine, alissa
Bob (1) - Vis
alissa (3) - Cray, MsP, chaos
Bob () -
MsP (1) - Vis
alissa (4) - Cray, MsP, chaos, Paws

13/14
Missing: dubz

Spoiler: Day 2

dubz (1) - Pippy
Vis (1) - AM
Vis (2) - AM, Zenge
dubz () -
Zenge (1) - Pippy
Zenge (2) - Pippy, Paws
Zenge (1) - Paws
Paws (1) - Pippy
Cray (1) - Vis
Paws () -
AM (1) - Pippy
AM () -
Paws (1) - Pippy
AM (1) - sunshine
Cray () -
Zenge (2) - Paws, Vis
Paws () -
AM (2) - sunshine, Pippy
Vis (1) - Zenge
Zenge (3) - Paws, Vis, AM
Zenge (2) - Paws, Vis
sunshine (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Paws
Cray (1) - Vis
Zenge () -
Pippy (1) - Paws
Vis () -
Pippy (2) - Paws, Zenge
AM (1) - Pippy
Pippy (3) - Paws, Zenge, sunshine
Cray () -
sunshine (2) - AM, Vis
AM () -
Paws (1) - Pippy

6/8
Missing: Cray, dubz

@WildZoo

 

[Crayola227]

For the record I wasn't pushing you, and I made a follow up post saying so.

But if Bioshock is anything to go by, And heck I got the superlative best evidence based application of WW theory, it's that if there is a point to make about the dangers of 3P, even inclusive 3P, then I'm going to have to make that point on principle. Not understanding how 3P affects the game dynamics and just thinking somehow true neutral, even one playing for village, doesn't affect game balance, is seriously a peeve of mine and if it comes up I get triggered.

You yourself have admitted that being true neutral has affected your gameplay and you're not following a

As closely.

 

[WildZoo]

For the record I wasn't pushing you, and I made a follow up post saying so.

But if Bioshock is anything to go by, And heck I got the superlative best evidence based application of WW theory, it's that if there is a point to make about the dangers of 3P, even inclusive 3P, then I'm going to have to make that point on principle. Not understanding how 3P affects the game dynamics and just thinking somehow true neutral, even one playing for village, doesn't affect game balance, is seriously a peeve of mine and if it comes up I get triggered.

You yourself have admitted that being true neutral has affected your gameplay and you're not following a

Yes cray but I CANNOT VOTE and other than giving my thoughts and telling people to take them with a huge grain of salt, I have not put much energy into this game at all. So it was a weird comment to make when I am literally just existing and the one person I pushed at all was the goo.

And if anything the 3p in Bioshock villaged harder than the village did so I'm not sure what lesson about neutrals you think was taught there.

 

[Viscernable]

I’m still at:
- if there’s just the one mafia left, it’s probably cray
- if there’s two scum, the only chance for a village win and the most interesting scenario is killing me or Dubz and seeing what they do tonight. But if AM would still prefer to try to kill the remaining mafia than to kill a neutral 3p for a slim chance of a village win then I’m also fine with that, since I would win by surviving.