Game Thread: Meats's Reading List: WWhat I Read in 2019

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Why it's felt off. Was there one particular post? I'm getting that a lot of people think Ms P is suspect but no one has really said why beyond feels. So I'm curious d

I've been going back and forth with MsP a bit about that, including quoting some of her posts and why they pinged me.

Let me know if that's not enough and next time I'm at my computer I can quote some other posts and put together a larger scale argument
 
Given how wrong I usually am as a villager, it's probably better if I say enough to be read as village, but not enough to lead the village to certain doom.
And if someone ever comes out with Awwards results, I expect to have a shiny new "Most Likely to Choke" badge to back it up.
 
I've been going back and forth with MsP a bit about that, including quoting some of her posts and why they pinged me.

Let me know if that's not enough and next time I'm at my computer I can quote some other posts and put together a larger scale argument
I feel like she sounds fine. I was worried at the start of day 1, but then she said things that sounded more like her village self in that they were terrible for defense and made her more likely to get lynched.
 
I've been going back and forth with MsP a bit about that, including quoting some of her posts and why they pinged me.

Let me know if that's not enough and next time I'm at my computer I can quote some other posts and put together a larger scale argument
I would love more quotes thank you, I'm just not seeing it personally, but I could totally be blinded by that shiny village read she has on me. It sparkles
 
Interesting observations but I raise you this question. Since people can easily learn from past mistakes and change their tone, do you think alissa would act so similarly to her speed-game self? I'm not sure I'm reading her the same way you are, but I didn't like the feel of her lynch wagon yesterday either, which is why I didn't jump on it. Just the timing of the votes, they pilled up consecutively, it gave me the bad vibes.
Hmm, good question. I'm not sure. I would say that while people might easily learn from their past mistakes, I wouldn't think that it would be equally as simple to change their tone, especially for someone with less experience. It's one thing to say "ah yes I was too excitable as a wolf" and another thing to actually put that into action.
 
Speaking of the public library...

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Hmm, good question. I'm not sure. I would say that while people might easily learn from their past mistakes, I wouldn't think that it would be equally as simple to change their tone, especially for someone with less experience. It's one thing to say "ah yes I was too excitable as a wolf" and another thing to actually put that into action.
So how solid of a read do you think you have on Alissa?
 
Reeread quickly to try to give some structure to my POE and, without considering pack alignments, I'm at

Wolves for sure among:
nav
miz
jmoose
barks

And perhaps among:
BC
alissa
MsP

Which is funny because that's kind of the order I had them in already now that I look back 🤣
I'm very uncomfortable with miz right now, concerned that the nav/miz interaction was a setup as others have mentioned.
I would like to see a summary of reads (preferably with reasoning) from @Navilly (lol as if that will happen) @mizchiefmanaged and @Barkley13.

I'd kind of like one from @PippyPony @Coopah @WonderingStudent and @Animal Midwife too for calibration
 
Let me know if that's not enough and next time I'm at my computer I can quote some other posts and put together a larger scale argument
Im getting similar vibes from MsP. I’d love to see this from you. Definitely would make me feel better about you
 
I’m not even wolfreading doggo. I know I have to submit a lynch vote and she’s the one most sus to me right now. I honestly feel like I suck at this game and can’t read for s*** 🙁
First, you definitely don’t suck!
Second, this post made me feel a little better about you
Agreed. Sounds frustrated villager.

Consequently this post gives me good feels for you.
Something in this progression made the hair stand up on the back of my neck when I read it sequentially

That was an odd kill choice considering she was second up.
Post like this always ping my radar after that one time pip was a convert and made a really bizarre kill and then came on thread and talked about how bizarre it was

Bare with me I still have a few more reads to get out, but I feel like there's definitely a wolf between the older (in terms of WW) vets.
You keep saying veterans and such but who among the veterans are you actually looking at? There are a few of us here.

Current reads after consulting with the voice in my head:

Wolfie
Barks, Wondering, BC, Miz

Neutral leaning wolfy
Nav, Pippy

Neutral (Unknown)
Genny, alissa, SAR

Neutral leaning village
MsP, dolphin, WZ

Village
AM, Coop
Can I get reasoning with these?
 
dubz - more village
Wondering - slight village
genny - neutral to village
miz - neutral to villlage leaning
Barks - I've got nothing
MsP - neutral
SAR - I keep swinging on my opinion of her
dolphin - too quiet
alissa - her lynch felt gross but her play didn't feel better
jboo - ??? not much there tbh
BC - she's moving more neutral after that conversation
Nav - ??? I have no idea what to think of his reaction test
Pippy - she's just doing the stirring pot thing that she does
 
So you disagreed with my Nav vote on D1 even though he's also near the bottom of your list?
It's more the context surrounding it that I disagree with in this case. D1 push of him turned into sitting on an alissa coutnerwagon by D2. Outside of all this, he's also done next to nothing for the game state so he's that far down for not contributing.
 
Already over my 5 min break limit from reading posts but....
Current reads after consulting with the voice in my head:

Wolfie
Barks, Wondering, BC, Miz

Neutral leaning wolfy
Nav, Pippy

Neutral (Unknown)
Genny, alissa, SAR

Neutral leaning village
MsP, dolphin, WZ

Village
AM, Coop
Did I show up on the neutral leaning wolf list after making one comment about one of your comments? What about the fact that I am voting for Nav?
I don't think the silencer has been playing it very village imo. Possibly extremely biased because I hate silencing but silencing the discussion drivers is not super village. I feel like a little bit of why it was so quiet yesterday was because I couldn't talk. I'm not sure how I feel about them silencing Miz. I suppose if they had both me and Miz on their wolf list it would make more sense of a villager. Welcome to my thinking out loud session -- pippy will call it wolfy
I don't know why you think I would call this wolfy when it is extremely similar to comments I made yesterday about the silencing. I do not like silencing, I think silencing vocal players handicaps the village, and I was whining all day yesterday about how it was overly quiet.
No but seriously who said last time they feel pippy would control the thread more as a wolf. I don't even care if it's true I want to remember who said that.
Are you even listening to yourself? "I don't even care if it's true"...? You don't care if you're using real evidence or not, you just want someone to jump in and agree with you that I'm the wolfiest player everrrrrr? Stop looking for validation on bad reads, because wolves are going to give it to you.

The comment I made before where I said I was annoyed and you said "wtf" was because I feel like you immediately jump on me in every single game and never revise your read based on information, especially if literally anyone else in the game thinks I'm even slightly wolfy.

And yes -- I know I also jump on you in early game all the time, but there is a major difference in that I'm able to use your responses to that aggressive questioning to make some situational determinations about your affiliation. Whereas you seem to want to agree with everyone who thinks I'm a wolf, even when it's wolves who are leading you around like a puppy following a bacon treat.

Nooooo

Possible Wolves
Miz, Nav, Barks, silencer (more to be added). Since I think the silencer is a wolf I'll be taking future silences with a grain of salt.

Neutral to wolfy
Pips

Village
Coops, BC, AM

I can't even:
Dubz

Neutral
Alissa
Everybody else
I don't think you can consider future silencing as evidence of being village because 1) wolves are perfectly capable of changing their behavior based on feedback and 2) it could still very well be a villager who is doing the silencing, and they therefore don't know jack about the affiliation of their targets aside from their own reads.

I didn't have you as sitting in my wolfy pile until this post, because I don't understand how "possible wolves" "neutral to wolfy" "I can't even" and "neutral" describe different categories, because they are all variations on "dunno"

However -- I felt a little better after hearing the explanations in here:
BC is a double vote and I kinda think that leans village. Coop because of PM, silence, etc. Pippy I feel like her, Nav and miz don't make that much sense when you look at NKs so far. I'm still on the miz/nav tinfoil so I'm cool with moving pippy down. I have a problem viewing the wolf pack as OG heavy given the choice of kill. I kinda think they're being picky about who they kill which makes me think there's at least two OGs there. The killerleaf kill seemed like they didn't want to go after other OGs too quickly and were avoiding killing certain people. Add that to the whole being picky about killing previous mods and the NKs thus far kinda points to at least two OGs.
Can't even for dubz means can't even bother cause she could easily be either and I wouldn't know the difference (thought I did eons ago). She could easily go to neutral.
Alissa moves to neutral because I feel she's calmed down since yesterday. It could be OG wolves telling her to chill, but I'm feeling slight better about her today.
BUT THEN...
OG (people who have played forever) compared to others like BC, wondering and alissa. I'm thinking 3-4 wolves. What do you mean which people are being avoided?! The kills aren't exactly targeting the talkative! I mean killerleaf seriously?! Heck that kill benefited village! I would have thought it village vig if it weren't so clearly wolf! Let's be honest the wolves aren't exactly targeting who they should be scared of (the present and talkative) which makes you wonder. They seem to be "silencing" the talkative if anything.
I also didn't like this post. Why so many exclamation points??!?!

But seriously this felt like an over the top comment about something that is insanely WIFOMy. You know who can explain night kill choices with any true level of accuracy? Wolves. And mods. And that is it.

Perhaps one wasn't silenced 🤔 Or the silencer doesn't know what they're doing :shrug:
We know both were silenced because THEY PLACED VOTES IN PM THAT SHOWED UP IN TALLIES

And I don't know why people are having trouble with that concept
I'd go for the later, Miz and I aren't the sort of people to be able to keep our mouths shut, especially when people start insulating things about them that I would have otherwise corrected. I'm sure I could do it if necessary, like endgame. But I'm not one to plot this out in such early game. I doubt Miz would either, but if it was Nav or someone hell yeah that's be suspect. Miz is the type of wolf to be right up there with the fake claims and making you put her village and pocketing you so far you can't tell it wasn't your idea in the first place. But this isn't her style. Not saying she's not a wolf, just saying I HIGHLY doubt she'd fake a silence for... what exactly would she gain in this scenario?
For what it is worth, I agree with all of this except for the part where Coop is saying what she herself would not do as a wolf. But the Miz assessment feels valid based on my experience wolfing with her.

Why is anything due on a Sunday?
Most of our homework/take home exams are due on the weekends.


And on that note, now I'm like 35+ min over my 5 min break
 
dubz - more village
Wondering - slight village
genny - neutral to village
miz - neutral to villlage leaning
Barks - I've got nothing
MsP - neutral
SAR - I keep swinging on my opinion of her
dolphin - too quiet
alissa - her lynch felt gross but her play didn't feel better
jboo - ??? not much there tbh
BC - she's moving more neutral after that conversation
Nav - ??? I have no idea what to think of his reaction test
Pippy - she's just doing the stirring pot thing that she does
Wait so who are your wolves?
 
dubz - more village
Wondering - slight village
genny - neutral to village
miz - neutral to villlage leaning
Barks - I've got nothing
MsP - neutral
SAR - I keep swinging on my opinion of her
dolphin - too quiet
alissa - her lynch felt gross but her play didn't feel better
jboo - ??? not much there tbh
BC - she's moving more neutral after that conversation
Nav - ??? I have no idea what to think of his reaction test
Pippy - she's just doing the stirring pot thing that she does
smh
 
Any and all that you have reasoning for, even if the reasoning is just feels
Wolfie
Barks-some posts have felt off, feeling like he‘s playing under the radar more than usual
Wondering-voting pattern is weird + feels
BC-not great voting pattern + feels
Miz-Nav weirdness + some tonal changes from the last few games I’ve played with her

Neutral leaning wolfy
Nav-it’s Nav + the miz weirdness
Pippy-mostly feels, though I admittedly suck at reading her

Neutral (Unknown)
Genny, alissa, SAR: none of them have said or done anything to make me lean one way or another

Neutral leaning village
MsP, dolphin, WZ: couple posts from these guys have made me shake my head in agreement

Village
AM, Coop: solid questioning and reasoning thus far
 
I don't know why you think I would call this wolfy when it is extremely similar to comments I made yesterday about the silencing. I do not like silencing, I think silencing vocal players handicaps the village, and I was whining all day yesterday about how it was overly quiet.
You're misinterpreting... again. The implication being that every time I think out loud you tend to call it wolfy. We simply have different play styles and it was a comment on that
 
Are you even listening to yourself? "I don't even care if it's true"...? You don't care if you're using real evidence or not, you just want someone to jump in and agree with you that I'm the wolfiest player everrrrrr? Stop looking for validation on bad reads, because wolves are going to give it to you.
No, "I don't care if it's true" was not in any form asking for evidence to use against you, I just wanted to know who said it. I never said anything that would imply that's a justification for lynching you. Why would I ever use that argument and start it with "I don't even care if it's true"? Come on now, you're just seriously taking everything so personal.
 
The comment I made before where I said I was annoyed and you said "wtf" was because I feel like you immediately jump on me in every single game and never revise your read based on information, especially if literally anyone else in the game thinks I'm even slightly wolfy.

And yes -- I know I also jump on you in early game all the time, but there is a major difference in that I'm able to use your responses to that aggressive questioning to make some situational determinations about your affiliation. Whereas you seem to want to agree with everyone who thinks I'm a wolf, even when it's wolves who are leading you around like a puppy following a bacon treat.
Oooook, look dude, we never see eye to eye, but I'll have you know I basically never start these long drawn out debates we have. You're saying it's cool you go after me every damn game but no worries because once I "prove myself" you can change your mind? No, sorry that's not how this works. Every damn game I start with an open mind, yes even about you. Then you pick at things I say that you would not give any consideration to if I were anyone else and say ridiculous things about how I'm crazy wolfy. So yeah, I usually find that strange as hell. Especially considering you love doing that as a wolf. You tried to get me lynched as a freaking mason when you were a wolf. Anyways rant over, I'm dropping this. Permanently
 
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