Liberty University COM (LUCOM) Discussion Thread 2013-2014

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Everyone I have known that attended medical school had a fairly healthy social life and enough time to go out on weekends or participate in multiple clubs and extracurriculars. Good time management and your ability to absorb the material can drastically alter how much free time you have available. I say this to try and shake you of the mindset you are in before you become entrenched in it. Med school is largely what you make of it, and those that go in with a particular idea of what it will be tend to create a self-fulfilling vision of that idea, from what I have been told by the med students at interviews. If you go in thinking it will be a grind, it will certainly be a grind. The city of Lynchburg itself is fine, and this discussion was not about the city nor its other colleges, but rather LUCOM, which has a value system that is very different from the community at large and this nation as a whole. On the topic of professionalism, to simply ignore the value system of the school you are attending and disregard its consequences is perhaps one of the most unprofessional things one could do. You are essentially saying that the core beliefs of the institution both don't apply to and will not be enforced upon you, that you are "above the law," so to speak, as long as you keep your head low and don't attract attention. Truly, a model of integrity we should all seek to emulate. There might be a future for you in politics, kid.

In any case, good luck to you all. I really do wish you the best in your endeavors.
I'm not a kid, and likely have more medical experience and a better idea of what med school is about than you do.

You've put words in my mouth. I never said I planned on breaking the policies of the institution. I simply said that no one is personally policing the students, so the impetus is on the individual to do the right thing, despite the fact that they would likely never get caught.

Sounds like an excellent principle to instill in med students, as it mirrors many issues you will encounter in medicine everyday. We all make the decision whether or not to drive above or below the speed limit everyday, whether the police officer is watching or not...I personally drive the speed limit, I know many who do not, and very few get tickets...I'm not saying it's right, but it is reality.

I am completing a 1 year SMP at UNTHSC/TCOM, which very closely mirrors the MS-1 curriculum. I did not claim you will have zero downtime, but going into med school with the pre conceived notion that you will have plenty of time for relaxing, dating, etc. Is a recipe for disappointment.

Yeah you have downtime, but your evidence that you base the free time argument on is anecdotal. My evidence is based on personal experience.
 
I spent every weekend with a bunch of my study group buddies in my SMP. It made studying much more enjoyable...we tossed a football around and hit some golf balls for breaks and stuff like that. We all got in to schools, the rest who relaxed more on weekends did not. There are the few, however, that are excellent test takers and can get away with more downtime. And yeah, just spending time with my own girlfriend was rough I can't imagine trying to date new people and discover a love life while in school.
 
I'm not a kid, and likely have more medical experience and a better idea of what med school is about than you do.

You've put words in my mouth. I never said I planned on breaking the policies of the institution. I simply said that no one is personally policing the students, so the impetus is on the individual to do the right thing, despite the fact that they would likely never get caught.

Sounds like an excellent principle to instill in med students, as it mirrors many issues you will encounter in medicine everyday. We all make the decision whether or not to drive above or below the speed limit everyday, whether the police officer is watching or not...I personally drive the speed limit, I know many who do not, and very few get tickets...I'm not saying it's right, but it is reality.

I am completing a 1 year SMP at UNTHSC/TCOM, which very closely mirrors the MS-1 curriculum. I did not claim you will have zero downtime, but going into med school with the pre conceived notion that you will have plenty of time for relaxing, dating, etc. Is a recipe for disappointment.

Yeah you have downtime, but your evidence that you base the free time argument on is anecdotal. My evidence is based on personal experience.
I wasn't posting in response to you, unless you also happen to be scribble. He outright stated he would be breaking their policy on premarital sex and is, from what I gather, much younger than you or I, and far less experienced. You are two very different posters in very different life situations, you can't just grab my response for him and apply it to yourself. So far as experience, I really don't care to compare, but the gist of my experience is six years as an ED and ICU clinician in at a fairly prestigious inner city teaching hospital. I've worked with enough med students and residents to know what we're all getting into.

So far as downtime, it varies greatly depending on school. SMP students also tend to invest more time in their courses than many med students at pass/fail institutions, as you need to not only pass, but pass with high enough grades to land you at the top of the curve. The general consensus at the schools I am most interested in was that, while you can invest your entire life in the material, there was a good deal of room for your personal life, especially after first year, which was considered by everyone to be a much more intense year than second year.

With that, I'm bowing out of the thread. I just came to post the email and ask that everyone give this school careful thought before matriculating. It is a very different place and requires a very different sort of premed.
 
First off congrats to those accepted. I will be attending LUCOM next year and am stoked to have the chance to become a physician. I decided to create an account to keep up with the progression of the school. Anyway, I thought it would be insightful to share some information about a residency match between LUCOM and Mountain State Health Alliance (MSHA) at Johnston Memorial Hospital in Abingdon, VA beginning in 2015. The VP and CMO of MSHA is a good friend of mine. He revealed this to me several weeks ago and it was probably the strongest confirmation for me to attend LUCOM. Although I knew LUCOM was promising, this proved that LUCOM had already confirmed a deal with a good institution for potential residencies. It was a big announcement late last year when VCOM made a partnership with MSHA. This is probably one of many budding relationships currently under the radar between LUCOM and other institutions. Once they get us moving through the first year, I believe this announcement will be made public along with several others.

Does this mean MSHA will offer residency spots to LUCOM grads, or that LUCOM will be the affiliated academic institution? I have zero skin in this game but this stuff has always been very interesting

Your whole line of thinking is centered around wanting to attend what sounds like a medical school not based in reality. Figure out your priorities. I just completed a post bacc, and like the previous poster stated, you can pretty much rule out having much of a social life during first and second year. You'll have time to socialize occasionally, but this idea of going to bars after exams and finding your next love interest is a false expectation, IMHO. Where I did my post bacc, the only thing we had time for after an exam was prepping for our next exam.
With respect IMO your expectation might be misaligned, most med students I know of at various instiutions value both going out to bars and finding their next love interests. What a terrible way to spend med school and life in general, to rule out having a social life in the arguably easiest part of the whole process...
 
I wasn't posting in response to you, unless you also happen to be scribble. He outright stated he would be breaking their policy on premarital sex and is, from what I gather, much younger than you or I, and far less experienced. You are two very different posters in very different life situations, you can't just grab my response for him and apply it to yourself. So far as experience, I really don't care to compare, but the gist of my experience is six years as an ED and ICU clinician in at a fairly prestigious inner city teaching hospital. I've worked with enough med students and residents to know what we're all getting into.

So far as downtime, it varies greatly depending on school. SMP students also tend to invest more time in their courses than many med students at pass/fail institutions, as you need to not only pass, but pass with high enough grades to land you at the top of the curve. The general consensus at the schools I am most interested in was that, while you can invest your entire life in the material, there was a good deal of room for your personal life, especially after first year, which was considered by everyone to be a much more intense year than second year.

With that, I'm bowing out of the thread. I just came to post the email and ask that everyone give this school careful thought before matriculating. It is a very different place and requires a very different sort of premed.
My mistake, I did think you were replying to what I said. My apologies.

I agree, I am probably biased, which is why I will also recuse myself from this particular aspect of the thread.
 
I wasn't posting in response to you, unless you also happen to be scribble. He outright stated he would be breaking their policy on premarital sex and is, from what I gather, much younger than you or I, and far less experienced. You are two very different posters in very different life situations, you can't just grab my response for him and apply it to yourself. So far as experience, I really don't care to compare, but the gist of my experience is six years as an ED and ICU clinician in at a fairly prestigious inner city teaching hospital. I've worked with enough med students and residents to know what we're all getting into.

So far as downtime, it varies greatly depending on school. SMP students also tend to invest more time in their courses than many med students at pass/fail institutions, as you need to not only pass, but pass with high enough grades to land you at the top of the curve. The general consensus at the schools I am most interested in was that, while you can invest your entire life in the material, there was a good deal of room for your personal life, especially after first year, which was considered by everyone to be a much more intense year than second year.

With that, I'm bowing out of the thread. I just came to post the email and ask that everyone give this school careful thought before matriculating. It is a very different place and requires a very different sort of premed.

So we can all agree that in some form or another we will have social lives. I also did not claim I would be breaking any rules but only stated I was dating someone of another religion than Christian. I never even hinted at anything other than that. I was trying to counter your claims that we must all be fearful of our actions everyday when instead we should be mindful of our actions and words at LUCOM and in the community just like any other professional institution. I've read your other posts elsewhere and you kind of come across as the great bearer of knowledge, just saying. Also I have worked many years in the ED as well and it has not been nearly as difficult, not even close, to the level of difficulty of my SMP. The point is to land a residency and that comes with excellent board scores and grades especially from a newer institution, so for me that means less playtime. I am going to defend this school all day so feel free to return.
 
Does this mean MSHA will offer residency spots to LUCOM grads, or that LUCOM will be the affiliated academic institution? I have zero skin in this game but this stuff has always been very interesting.

So what I know is that right now VCOM is the affiliated academic institution beginning in July 2015. MSHA will be offering residency spots to LUCOM students when that time arrives, obviously several years down the road.
 
So what I know is that right now VCOM is the affiliated academic institution beginning in July 2015. MSHA will be offering residency spots to LUCOM students when that time arrives, obviously several years down the road.
how does this interface with the matching process? will it be through a pre-match offer?
 
So we can all agree that in some form or another we will have social lives. I also did not claim I would be breaking any rules but only stated I was dating someone of another religion than Christian. I never even hinted at anything other than that. I was trying to counter your claims that we must all be fearful of our actions everyday when instead we should be mindful of our actions and words at LUCOM and in the community just like any other professional institution. I've read your other posts elsewhere and you kind of come across as the great bearer of knowledge, just saying. Also I have worked many years in the ED as well and it has not been nearly as difficult, not even close, to the level of difficulty of my SMP. The point is to land a residency and that comes with excellent board scores and grades especially from a newer institution, so for me that means less playtime. I am going to defend this school all day so feel free to return.
You can date a non Christian, you just can't have sex, dance, watch most decent movies, or spend the night with one another. And the experience bit was not in relation to school, it was just a note to the other poster that I've gotten my feet wet more than the average premed and have a decent idea of what I'm getting into, much as he does, though he obviously has more experience in the MS1 department. Anyways, as I'd hoped I had made clear, this is in no way an attack on the school but rather an attempt to inform.
 
No alcohol and no sex...... I don't even know what to say about this. Stressed out sober med students with blue balls and the inability to blow off steam or watch porn.. This sounds worse than hell. You couldn't pay me to go to this school. But hey, to each his own. Hopefully it works out for some of you guys. Good luck
lol:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
does anyone find this amusing? touchpause13 didn't apply here but seems to be the most passionate in this thread. me thinks touchpause13 is overly concerned about lucom...touchpause13 cares enough about lucom to comment here. maybe this individual feels threatened by the existence of this school?
I don't think she feels threatened by this school, probably just trying to warn those who aren't religious extremist to stay away from this school.
 
Guys... Why the fighting? Back and forth... come on people. Here is a simple rule to follow: Be an adult and be professional. That will answer most of your questions about any medical school.
I'm sorry, but the outrageous parties that people might hear about from "med students" are typically not true. If so, these guys are probably not the top of the class. If you wanted to party, you should have stayed in undergrad if that is what you are looking for. My wife is a physician... her med school experience was this: wake up, go to classes, go to the library to study, gym, and going to bed between 6-7 pm. My wife is a very bright doctor and hard worker. I doubt, if you really get to the level of medical school, that the first thing you should be thinking about is how much you should party. This is a huge commitment... If no one here has ever worked as a professional in a hospital and taken call, worked weekends, and holidays, you can't possibly know how much time this will take out of your life. I literally worked all day yesterday, took call until 2am this morning and woke up at 6 to do it all over again today... THIS IS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A PHYSICIAN!!! I can't stress how much time you will have taken from your "social life". My wife works, on average 60 hours a week. Residencies will make you do 80 hours a week. I lived it when she went through it. Yes, there are more time friendly residencies, but there is still a lot of effort that needs to be put into oneself to be a good doctor, passing boards, staying up on the latest literature and studies, doing your own publications, keeping track of patients, etc. It is hard work! Keep this in mind before you sincerely think about becoming one.
There is my 2 cents.
 
Are there any nontraditional students with families attending this school in the Fall? Does the environment seem family friendly?
 
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Are there any nontraditional students with families attending this school in the Fall? Does the environment seem family friendly?
I am 29, married, and have 2 kiddos (2 yrs. and 5 months old.)

Like summer said, there were more than a few non trads in our group. The atmosphere seemed extremely non trad and family friendly. This was one of my major factors in deciding to attend.
 
SummerNights23 and WTEngel,

I am really interested in this school. Would you mind sharing your stats, experience, opinions, advice, etc?
Feel free to PM if you don't want to share publicly.
 
Check around page 15. On December 23rd there was a flurry of acceptances and denials, and most people included their stats.

I don't mind sharing, but I think going back to that page and date might provide more info.
 
Hey everyone!

I interviewed today, and just wanted to leave some feedback on Liberty University College of Medicine. One thing that certainly rings true is that the staff at LU COM is phenomenal. Dean Dr. Martin went above and beyond to find an all-star team for his institution. I personally went into the interview with an open mind and open heart regarding the process, and was blown away. Here is a school that is genuinely invested in their students, and who strives to make a large, positive impact within their students' educational experiences.

The day started with a warm welcome from Mrs. Jacqueline Mendez, who shared some of her apple cider with the group. We were then introduced to the rest of the staff, and had a personal introduction from Dr. Martin. Ben then took us on a bus tour of the campus, and even stopped off at the 'snowflex' (an on-site year-round skiing/tubing recreational facility)! Overall, the campus is beautiful nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and offers a variety of activities for its students to enjoy.

The staff was very kind and forthcoming, answering any questions we had over lunch and in additional sessions. They are very transparent about the process, and are enthusiastic to strive for excellence, and choose students who do the same. In closing, I feel that the facilities will allow for a wonderful learning environment, and the staff will truly supplement in the success of LU COM. I am very excited to see the success that will come to LU COM over the next few years!

P.S. For my fellow interviewees, I still did not get a chance to grab a cup of joe with any of you! If I run into any of you at the airport in the AM, coffee is on me! 🙂 Best of luck to all of those who applied!
 
for the people who were accepted, what were ur GPA and MCAT scores?
 
As people get more info on developing rotations and residencies please post as the year goes on. I'm still trying to figure out the possibility of rotating across the state rather than just Lynchburg even though LGH is a great hospital and would be glad to stay in the area as well.
 
I am a late applicant and was wondering if anyone knew of exceptions to the "letter from a DO" as a requirement for admissions. I am kinda late in the application process and would need to get a lor from a DO rather quickly. Wondering if anyone has seen or heard about this. Thanks!
 
I am a late applicant and was wondering if anyone knew of exceptions to the "letter from a DO" as a requirement for admissions. I am kinda late in the application process and would need to get a lor from a DO rather quickly. Wondering if anyone has seen or heard about this. Thanks!

Contact Barry. They seemed pretty strict about it. Luckily I got one from my ER job that I had just started at the time. They will still interview you, however but will not make a final decision until it is in.
 
I don't think they will make any exceptions to the DO letter requirement. You can however interview without it, but they will not let your file go to the review committee until the letter is in. This is what they told us at the interview. They may say different now...
 
Hey everyone!

I interviewed today, and just wanted to leave some feedback on Liberty University College of Medicine. One thing that certainly rings true is that the staff at LU COM is phenomenal. Dean Dr. Martin went above and beyond to find an all-star team for his institution. I personally went into the interview with an open mind and open heart regarding the process, and was blown away. Here is a school that is genuinely invested in their students, and who strives to make a large, positive impact within their students' educational experiences.

The day started with a warm welcome from Mrs. Jacqueline Mendez, who shared some of her apple cider with the group. We were then introduced to the rest of the staff, and had a personal introduction from Dr. Martin. Ben then took us on a bus tour of the campus, and even stopped off at the 'snowflex' (an on-site year-round skiing/tubing recreational facility)! Overall, the campus is beautiful nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and offers a variety of activities for its students to enjoy.

The staff was very kind and forthcoming, answering any questions we had over lunch and in additional sessions. They are very transparent about the process, and are enthusiastic to strive for excellence, and choose students who do the same. In closing, I feel that the facilities will allow for a wonderful learning environment, and the staff will truly supplement in the success of LU COM. I am very excited to see the success that will come to LU COM over the next few years!

P.S. For my fellow interviewees, I still did not get a chance to grab a cup of joe with any of you! If I run into any of you at the airport in the AM, coffee is on me! 🙂 Best of luck to all of those who applied!

This is a very good description! I was also extremely impressed by the campus and staff. You can definitely feel their enthusiasm and dedication to making LUCOM a success. Everyone there makes you feel as if you are a part of the LUCOM family, a very important factor to me that really makes LUCOM a top choice for me.
 
I want to ask you guys your opinion about my friend's situation. He applied early on in the cycle to very few competitive DO schools. He was interviewed, but he was not accepted anywhere. Now he is exploring his options and thinking of applying to more schools. His stats are 3.4/29. I realize that it is getting late in the cycle, but do you guys think he may stand a chance if he applies to LUCOM now? Also, how long will it take for him to receive a secondary once he submit his primary for this school?

Thank you,
 
I want to ask you guys your opinion about my friend's situation. He applied early on in the cycle to very few competitive DO schools. He was interviewed, but he was not accepted anywhere. Now he is exploring his options and thinking of applying to more schools. His stats are 3.4/29. I realize that it is getting late in the cycle, but do you guys think he may stand a chance if he applies to LUCOM now? Also, how long will it take for him to receive a secondary once he submit his primary for this school?

Thank you,
how few schools did he apply to?
 
not 100% sure but 6-8 including MSU, CCOM, PCOM, WesternU, RVU and TUCOM
I think he still has a shot but he needs to add at least 5 schools and be willing to move anywhere. I would consider LUCOM, Touro-NV, Touro-NY, ACOM, AZCOM, LMU, CUSOM, MUCOM, and/or LECOM-SH.

which schools did he interview at and what was the outcome?
 
I think he still has a shot but he needs to add at least 5 schools and be willing to move anywhere. I would consider LUCOM, Touro-NV, Touro-NY, ACOM, AZCOM, LMU, CUSOM, MUCOM, and/or LECOM-SH.

which schools did he interview at and what was the outcome?

rejection from Marian.
 
wow, surprising he did not receive interviews from TUCOM (I assume California) nor COMP. Not surprised about CCOM or RVU, who seem to be rejecting everyone this year. Nor PCOM, which has the most bizarre admissions process in the DO world.

To be fair, he rushed in his application in August and didn't do good job at filling out the secondaries and writing the essays. I'm sure if he applies the next year he will do much better, but he really prefers to start school this year. He is considering SMP's with linkages. I think they are waste of money considering his stats. I advised him to add LUCOM, LMU, ACOM, WVSOM, and CUSOM. However, at this point in the cycle I'm not keeping my hopes up.
 
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ive received an interview at Liberty and I'm honored to have been selected but I was curious what happens to students if the provisional accredited program(which could be any of the schools currently or schools in the future that are provisionlly accredited) they are enrolled in doesn't get fully accredited. for instance if the first class of students are in their fourth year the time when these programs would receive accreditation but dont? the AACOM CIB states COCA has policies and procedures to protect the students educational and financial investments. do younger classes in their first year simply transfer to another DO program
 
ive received an interview at Liberty and I'm honored to have been selected but I was curious what happens to students if the provisional accredited program(which could be any of the schools currently or schools in the future that are provisionlly accredited) they are enrolled in doesn't get fully accredited. for instance if the first class of students are in their fourth year the time when these programs would receive accreditation but dont? the AACOM CIB states COCA has policies and procedures to protect the students educational and financial investments. do younger classes in their first year simply transfer to another DO program

They get transferred to another do school
 
ive received an interview at Liberty and I'm honored to have been selected but I was curious what happens to students if the provisional accredited program(which could be any of the schools currently or schools in the future that are provisionlly accredited) they are enrolled in doesn't get fully accredited. for instance if the first class of students are in their fourth year the time when these programs would receive accreditation but dont? the AACOM CIB states COCA has policies and procedures to protect the students educational and financial investments. do younger classes in their first year simply transfer to another DO program

Has this ever happened before? I guess students at ACOM and CUSOM are in the same boat?
 
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Has this ever happened before? I guess students at ACOM and CUSOM are in the same boat?
Yes, I believe this happened with WVSOM in the past, and those students were transferred to VCOM. A friend of mine was actually one of those transferred students, and she ended up graduating from VCOM.
 
Hello everyone,
I was giving an ii yesterday, scheduled it for 02/04/2014. I'm a cheap guy and I'm looking for hotels right now? Any recommendations? I saw a super 8 close to the interview site - I'm assuming is at the mall or near that area- that seems to be in within a reasonable price. What do you guys recommend? Should I even think about renting a car?

Sec was completed on Dec 18th.
ii = 01/23/14

Thanks for all of the help!
 
Hello everyone,
I was giving an ii yesterday, scheduled it for 02/04/2014. I'm a cheap guy and I'm looking for hotels right now? Any recommendations? I saw a super 8 close to the interview site - I'm assuming is at the mall or near that area- that seems to be in within a reasonable price. What do you guys recommend? Should I even think about renting a car?

Sec was completed on Dec 18th.
ii = 01/23/14

Thanks for all of the help!

I lodged at the extended stay which iirc wasn't much more than the super 8. It's the closest hotel to the mall but you still need to take a taxi/drive. I wish I has rented a car because the campus was unfriendly to walking (lots of construction) and I couldn't get from campus to the downtown area of Lynchburg on foot.
 
Yes, I believe this happened with WVSOM in the past, and those students were transferred to VCOM. A friend of mine was actually one of those transferred students, and she ended up graduating from VCOM.

Interesting. They may have been put on probation considering WVSOM was started many years ago and way before VCOM.
 
Yes, I believe this happened with WVSOM in the past, and those students were transferred to VCOM. A friend of mine was actually one of those transferred students, and she ended up graduating from VCOM.
What year did this occur?
 
Has this ever happened before? I guess students at ACOM and CUSOM are in the same boat?

Check out this link:

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...ccreditation-standards-effective-7-1-2013.pdf

This is from the COCA Accreditation and Procedures Manual (start on page 60 if you want to read for yourself). Basically it states:

An institute on provisional status that has been notified that their provisional status is about to be terminated will be required to form a "teach-out plan." Basically this is an agreement with one or more established osteopathic schools that will receive students from the defunct school, and without penalty, allow them to finish their education. Typically the tuition and fees will remain the same, however if they will change, their must be adequate notice, in writing, so that students may make financial arrangements. It says a lot more than that, but that was the general thrust of the section.

Also, it says that in the event of a school closing without a "teach-out plan" on file, COCA and AOA will work with the USDE to facilitate a transition plan for students to finish their education at another institution.

So it appears that they try their hardest not to leave people hanging out to dry.

The chances of LUCOM not achieving fully accredited status are so remote that I am putting this pretty low on my list of worries, although I do think it is a valid concern. A school failing to achieve full accreditation status looks good on nobody, so all parties involved are highly motivated to make sure everything is on the up and up.
 
Interviewing at LUCOM this week. I am incredibly anxious and nervous about it--any advice from individuals who have already interviewed? Are all the faculty interviewers nice? What sort of questions do they ask? Do they let you know what they think of you after the interview? Thanks!
 
I don't think they will make any exceptions to the DO letter requirement. You can however interview without it, but they will not let your file go to the review committee until the letter is in. This is what they told us at the interview. They may say different now...
I was accepted without a DO letter. It's required to matriculate, however.
 
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