Liberty University COM (LUCOM) Discussion Thread 2013-2014

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You all do realize that in order to be accredited a school has to teach to a standard. A medical school cannot simply teach what it wants. Sure, there are some slight differences between schools in regards to depth of certain subject matter. However, a school cannot pick and choose what to cover. For example, ethical issues such as abortion and end of life care cannot be overlooked, nor can embryology be taught in a manner inconsistent with accepted medical theory.
 
Can any of the past interviewees please tell us if the interview is closed-file or open-file?
 
Interviewees please share your experience and details when it's done! And good luck!
 
Leaving for my interview tomorrow! I will see everyone on October 15th! I think there are only 8 of us.
 
Got my int rescheduled for oct. 28. I hope it's a great one! How did the interview go today ?? Please share everything!
 
Question about this school. So, we only have to take 1 biochem or cell class? I have taken cell, but there is no cell lab at my school. Only lecture. I wonder if it's okay to take cell and biochem lectures only without the lab.
 
Since everyone keeps making wild claims about religion and embryology classes.....Here Is text from the student handbook.....everything will be covered

"Year-One
Phase One (BBHDI-1) comprises the first six weeks of the curriculum in the first year of
osteopathic medical education. BBDHI-1 consists of a single course: Biomedical
Foundations of Osteopathic Medicine (BFOM). Students are introduced to fundamental
principles, concepts, and mechanisms important to the biological consideration of health
and disease. Traditional biomedical science disciplines of molecular and cellular biology,
genetics and developmental biology, histology and anatomy, neuroscience, physiology,
microbiology and immunology, pathology, and pharmacology are considered in an
integrated, interdisciplinary fashion. This course focuses on general principles and
mechanisms that are fundamental and common to the biomedical considerations of health
and disease processes. The BFOM course provides the foundation upon which the
remainder of the BBHDI curriculum and learning is built throughout the preclinical years
of education.
Phase Two (BBHDI-2) extends through the remainder of the OMS-I year and consists of
a series of six courses organized predominantly by body regions/system, and a final
course that introduces and develops concepts and principles of public health,
epidemiology, and clinical research. A study of traditional medical science disciplines
(molecular and cellular biology, genetics, biochemistry, developmental biology and
embryology, histology, anatomy, physiology, microbiology and immunology, pathology,
and pharmacology) are integrated into the system-based courses. This phase emphasizes
normal structure-function relationships and the principles, mechanisms, and processes of
the human body that are important for the maintenance and promotion of health in
individuals as well as populations. In the context of abnormal structure-function
relationships, basic principles and mechanisms of disease processes and the rationale for
approaches to intervention are introduced as well. The final course, Population Based
Medicine, offers an overview and understanding of principles and practice of public
health, classical and clinical epidemiology, general types of clinical research studies..."
 
As far as I know, this is going to be a regular school . I don't care what religious background is... I just want a good education.
 
so , if I'm correct, this school has what it calls a "spiral" curriculum, and it is basically all of the different types of curricula combined? TBL, lecture-based, etc?
 
Since everyone keeps making wild claims about religion and embryology classes.....Here Is text from the student handbook.....everything will be covered

"Year-One
Phase One (BBHDI-1) comprises the first six weeks of the curriculum in the first year of
osteopathic medical education. BBDHI-1 consists of a single course: Biomedical
Foundations of Osteopathic Medicine (BFOM). Students are introduced to fundamental
principles, concepts, and mechanisms important to the biological consideration of health
and disease. Traditional biomedical science disciplines of molecular and cellular biology,
genetics and developmental biology, histology and anatomy, neuroscience, physiology,
microbiology and immunology, pathology, and pharmacology are considered in an
integrated, interdisciplinary fashion. This course focuses on general principles and
mechanisms that are fundamental and common to the biomedical considerations of health
and disease processes. The BFOM course provides the foundation upon which the
remainder of the BBHDI curriculum and learning is built throughout the preclinical years
of education.
Phase Two (BBHDI-2) extends through the remainder of the OMS-I year and consists of
a series of six courses organized predominantly by body regions/system, and a final
course that introduces and develops concepts and principles of public health,
epidemiology, and clinical research. A study of traditional medical science disciplines
(molecular and cellular biology, genetics, biochemistry, developmental biology and
embryology, histology, anatomy, physiology, microbiology and immunology, pathology,
and pharmacology) are integrated into the system-based courses. This phase emphasizes
normal structure-function relationships and the principles, mechanisms, and processes of
the human body that are important for the maintenance and promotion of health in
individuals as well as populations. In the context of abnormal structure-function
relationships, basic principles and mechanisms of disease processes and the rationale for
approaches to intervention are introduced as well. The final course, Population Based
Medicine, offers an overview and understanding of principles and practice of public
health, classical and clinical epidemiology, general types of clinical research studies..."


It is hatred and bigotry that is fueling these comments, not a genuine concern for the syllabus. Ignore them.
 
How have the interviews been?
 
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I interviewed here last week, and I was not the biggest fan of this school. Our tour was basically just seeing where their undergraduate campus was, and just construction everywhere. I did like the area outside the school, and the weather seemed close to what I was used to (nice and warm). Their presentations barely gave any information about the school which everyone in my group was annoyed about. The other 2 girls in my group and I had concerns about safety and it seemed pretty safe based off what they told us. Though I do not know of any schools that make you have anatomy lab for TWO WHOLE YEARS!! If anyone else knows of any do post on here. I do not understand how people can be in lab 5 days a week for the first year and again 5 days a week the second year--that leaves barely any time to study for any class, especially the board exams. I seriously hope they reconsider changing their curriculum. I asked my interviewer about the pass rate they expect to have, they said they expect to fail anywhere between 10 and 20% of the class, where we would have to retake the whole year all over again since there are no summers to retake courses, and that not everyone would be able to sit for the COMLEX or USMLE Step 1 exams since they would be implementing proficiency exams that mimic the board exams, and if you don't pass that they will NOT allow you to take the boards. I think all that is a little scary, especially since they only have a midterm and final exam for each course in each system.

I was also annoyed that you have to attend weekly convocation seminars. No other Christian medical school makes you do this. This was my 5th interview of the cycle, and the least appealing. I thought they would do more to answer my questions and/or provide us with more information.

Also a little ticked you need to take a connecting flight from Charlotte in order to get there. I was waiting for 4 hours from my flight from LA.

Anyone that has interviewed recently please share your thoughts.
 
I interviewed here last week, and I was not the biggest fan of this school. Our tour was basically just seeing where their undergraduate campus was, and just construction everywhere. I did like the area outside the school, and the weather seemed close to what I was used to (nice and warm). Their presentations barely gave any information about the school which everyone in my group was annoyed about. The other 2 girls in my group and I had concerns about safety and it seemed pretty safe based off what they told us. Though I do not know of any schools that make you have anatomy lab for TWO WHOLE YEARS!! If anyone else knows of any do post on here. I do not understand how people can be in lab 5 days a week for the first year and again 5 days a week the second year--that leaves barely any time to study for any class, especially the board exams. I seriously hope they reconsider changing their curriculum. I asked my interviewer about the pass rate they expect to have, they said they expect to fail anywhere between 10 and 20% of the class, where we would have to retake the whole year all over again since there are no summers to retake courses, and that not everyone would be able to sit for the COMLEX or USMLE Step 1 exams since they would be implementing proficiency exams that mimic the board exams, and if you don't pass that they will NOT allow you to take the boards. I think all that is a little scary, especially since they only have a midterm and final exam for each course in each system.

I was also annoyed that you have to attend weekly convocation seminars. No other Christian medical school makes you do this. This was my 5th interview of the cycle, and the least appealing. I thought they would do more to answer my questions and/or provide us with more information.

Also a little ticked you need to take a connecting flight from Charlotte in order to get there. I was waiting for 4 hours from my flight from LA.

Anyone that has interviewed recently please share your thoughts.

What is convocation? And that is strange to have anatomy for two years. What types of questions did they ask? No grilling?
 
The convocation is not mandatory for medical school students or at least that's what we were told at the interview this week!

I interviewed here last week, and I was not the biggest fan of this school. Our tour was basically just seeing where their undergraduate campus was, and just construction everywhere. I did like the area outside the school, and the weather seemed close to what I was used to (nice and warm). Their presentations barely gave any information about the school which everyone in my group was annoyed about. The other 2 girls in my group and I had concerns about safety and it seemed pretty safe based off what they told us. Though I do not know of any schools that make you have anatomy lab for TWO WHOLE YEARS!! If anyone else knows of any do post on here. I do not understand how people can be in lab 5 days a week for the first year and again 5 days a week the second year--that leaves barely any time to study for any class, especially the board exams. I seriously hope they reconsider changing their curriculum. I asked my interviewer about the pass rate they expect to have, they said they expect to fail anywhere between 10 and 20% of the class, where we would have to retake the whole year all over again since there are no summers to retake courses, and that not everyone would be able to sit for the COMLEX or USMLE Step 1 exams since they would be implementing proficiency exams that mimic the board exams, and if you don't pass that they will NOT allow you to take the boards. I think all that is a little scary, especially since they only have a midterm and final exam for each course in each system.

I was also annoyed that you have to attend weekly convocation seminars. No other Christian medical school makes you do this. This was my 5th interview of the cycle, and the least appealing. I thought they would do more to answer my questions and/or provide us with more information.

Also a little ticked you need to take a connecting flight from Charlotte in order to get there. I was waiting for 4 hours from my flight from LA.

Anyone that has interviewed recently please share your thoughts.
 
They told us the convocation is mandatory for medical students on Wednesdays*
 
They told us the convocation is mandatory for medical students on Wednesdays*

Are you telling me the school is requiring that students go to church service ? Lol. What if they are Muslim, Jewish, atheist...?
 
They do not require you to go. They require their undergraduate students to go. They encourage attendance.
 
They do not require you to go. They require their undergraduate students to go. They encourage attendance.

I am not sure who told you this, but we had some conflicting information by the faculty so we decided to ask Dr. Martin (the head dean). He told us medical students are required to attend on Wednesdays--but that it will be streamed for us--we don't have to actually physically attend. It will be after the morning classes and before afternoon labs. The undergraduate students are required to attend Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. I am not sure if they talk about religion during the convocations.

Hope this clears things up.
 
1. They are going to give you Anatomy Lab 5x a week for 2 years...

2. They plan on failing anywhere between 10-20% of the class, and failures = repeat entire year

3. Church gatherings every week.

Nah....I'll pass on it 👎


+1

It all sounds so bad . . .
 
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I hope they realize that their curriculum sounds not so good. Why don't they just copy a model of a successful school?!
 
Wow I don't even understand how 2 years of anatomy would work. For the record DMU is 1 year but I've never heard of 2 years.
 
So to all of you applying. Just in case, do all if you have either biochem or cell with lab? It's required.
 
So to all of you applying. Just in case, do all if you have either biochem or cell with lab? It's required.

I've taken biochem and am currently taking cell physiology, neither with labs. I still got an interview though. I think if you received an II, you should be fine...hopefully.
 
I've taken biochem and am currently taking cell physiology, neither with labs. I still got an interview though. I think if you received an II, you should be fun.

Yea but they still want you to take them before matriculating, and if your school is like mine, only one professor for biochem and it is taught in sequence. Lol so I'm screwed for biochem
 
I am in the same boat with the biochem/cell bio LAB requirement. I have an interview coming up and will ask about it. I think a lot of people have the course, but my school didn't offer an associated lab. I am very excited about the program but also curious as to how I could have it completed before matriculating. Most CC's don't offer it, and it is impossible to gain admission to a university that late in the year for a lab class.
On a side note, I think it would be great to go to a school where you can be a scientist and learn medicine but also be completely open in your FAITH, so bring on the convocation!
 
I am in the same boat with the biochem/cell bio LAB requirement. I have an interview coming up and will ask about it. I think a lot of people have the course, but my school didn't offer an associated lab. I am very excited about the program but also curious as to how I could have it completed before matriculating. Most CC's don't offer it, and it is impossible to gain admission to a university that late in the year for a lab class.
On a side note, I think it would be great to go to a school where you can be a scientist and learn medicine but also be completely open in your FAITH, so bring on the convocation!

+1 Please ask! I had my interview earlier this week and it slipped my mind to ask. I will take biochem next semester, but no lab.
 
Okay to the people who don't have biochem or cell bio lab. I emailed them. If you email a list of the labs you've taken, they may waive that requirement. I think they will take off that requirement once they find out no school has a cell bio lab. Lol. Good luck
 
Okay to the people who don't have biochem or cell bio lab. I emailed them. If you email a list of the labs you've taken, they may waive that requirement. I think they will take off that requirement once they find out no school has a cell bio lab. Lol. Good luck

This really makes me question whether or not this school has done it's homework on medical education in this country.

That and the 2 year anatomy thing
 
Okay to the people who don't have biochem or cell bio lab. I emailed them. If you email a list of the labs you've taken, they may waive that requirement. I think they will take off that requirement once they find out no school has a cell bio lab. Lol. Good luck

Thanks!
 
This really makes me question whether or not this school has done it's homework on medical education in this country.

That and the 2 year anatomy thing

Exactly what I was thinking. Well it's supply and demand... Whatever doesn't work, they know they will have to change. Good news for every class after the first few classes lol
 
Where are you getting the 2 years in anatomy lab thing? In their handbook it states:

"Cadaveric dissection in OMS-II provides a better
juxtaposition of the clinical-pathologic principles students learn through class activities
with genuine examples that can be seen and explored via the cadaveric dissection
experience. LUCOM also uses the second-year dissection of cadavers as an opportunity
to provide valuable near-peer teaching experiences. Because of the alignment of the two
passes through the system-organized courses, second-year students are completing
regional cadaveric dissection while the first-year students are studying the same relevant
body system. OMS-I students can visit the gross anatomy cadaver lab and OMS-II
students are able to present their dissections to their first-year colleagues"

Sounds like OMS1 take an anatomy course w/o lab and OMS 2 is when you actually dissect.

Also, I'm interviewing here on the 21st.
 
Where are you getting the 2 years in anatomy lab thing? In their handbook it states:

"Cadaveric dissection in OMS-II provides a better
juxtaposition of the clinical-pathologic principles students learn through class activities
with genuine examples that can be seen and explored via the cadaveric dissection
experience. LUCOM also uses the second-year dissection of cadavers as an opportunity
to provide valuable near-peer teaching experiences. Because of the alignment of the two
passes through the system-organized courses, second-year students are completing
regional cadaveric dissection while the first-year students are studying the same relevant
body system. OMS-I students can visit the gross anatomy cadaver lab and OMS-II
students are able to present their dissections to their first-year colleagues"

Sounds like OMS1 take an anatomy course w/o lab and OMS 2 is when you actually dissect.

Also, I'm interviewing here on the 21st.

They got it from the interview
 
What is the interview format like, please? The SDN feedback entry hasn't added LUCOM yet.
 
What is the interview format like, please? The SDN feedback entry hasn't added LUCOM yet.

According to the itinerary it's 2 30 minute one on one interviews. Those who have interviewed so far haven't posted much of use..
 
According to the itinerary it's 2 30 minute one on one interviews. Those who have interviewed so far haven't posted much of use..

I'm also interviewing on the 21st and saw that on the intinerary...maybe one is open file and another is closed.
 
Did people receive "complete" emails after they submitted their secondary app? I haven't received one yet and its been a few weeks.
 
According to the itinerary it's 2 30 minute one on one interviews. Those who have interviewed so far haven't posted much of use..

Thanks! When did you get the itinerary?

And it'd be great if anyone could post about their interview experience.
 
Just ask your questions and people who have gone on interviews will let you know. I also would not complain about the lack of feedback as of now, as this is only the 2nd week of interviews the school has ever had. Be patient lol.

First year is just prosection--they have the cadavers already dissected out for us to just observe pretty much. Though the fact of the matter is we still have lab every day first year for 2 hours. And on top of that we will have some days where we have class all day, then OPP lab AND anatomy lab--all in same day. That just seems like overkill to me. I haven't spoken to anyone in my interview group since leaving but I am sure they would all agree with me on this. HopefulSpartan--you honestly cannot go by the handbook for a first year incoming class, first one of the school's history. They said they are still making changes and that NOTHING is set in stone. That is probably why all faculty don't give consistent information because that handbook will be revised multiple times before the first incoming class, and in their first year too.

Rotations--all rotations only in virginia as of now. 3rd year will be in one core hospital somewhere in Virginia. 4th year will be rotating in different hospitals--this is so we have better chances of landing residency offers in one of those hospitals (they really want us in Virginia).

They don't care if we do primary care or not--that was the message it seemed they gave us. Maybe other interview days received different information. I am just saying not everything is consistent from person to person, or even day to day in terms of information.

2 30 min interviews, 2 different people, 1 at a time but back to back. It is open file for both people. They mostly asked stuff regarding the healthcare going on right now and ethical questions regarding healthcare and cheating as well, as well as osteopathic medicine and its history.

I never received a complete email before getting an interview invite--so if you haven't gotten one don't panic.

We were on tour of the undergraduate area for almost 2 hours, but we sat in a bus and didn't really go inside their dorms or buildings.

Any other questions feel free to ask!
 
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