Madagascar WWildlife (A Basics Game!) - GAME THREAD

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
Ala Mando, Tsingy, Tendrombohitra, Vatohara Day 3 Tally

genny (2) - samac, mkg
Stroganoff (2) - AM, Viscernable
mkg (1) - diff
Pippy (1) - DubZ
DubZ (1) - Pippy
AM (1) - Bob

8/12 voting

Missing: @Stroganoff @Crayola227 @genny @vetmedhead

Mouse Lemur GIFs - Get the best GIF on GIPHY


Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~7.75 hours)
 
Last edited:
This isn't helping you at all. Better hope it's not revealed many of your neutrals flip wolf.
Again, if I don't have at least 1-2 wolves in my neutral or wolflean, then I would be disappointed. What are you saying? That I should have wolves in my villagelean? That I should be 100% on my wolflean. You honestly think I should be 100% correct on wolflean and not have any in my neutral??? You must really respect my play!!! Thank you! Lol (please clarify if I misunderstand what you are saying. And clarify where I should have my wolf reads. And what percentage I must be correct on).

I am comfortable with my effort. I feel like I have been better on my reads this game as far as I can know up to this point. And with less content. Probably b/c I am organizing and tracking my thoughts better (which you were critiquing)
 
Ala Mando, Tsingy, Tendrombohitra, Vatohara Day 3 Tally

genny (2) - samac, mkg
Stroganoff (2) - AM, Viscernable
mkg (1) - diff
Pippy (1) - DubZ
DubZ (1) - Pippy
AM (1) - Bob

8/12 voting

Missing: @Stroganoff @vetmedhead @Crayola227 @genny

Mouse Lemur GIFs - Get the best GIF on GIPHY



Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~7.75 hours)

Just fixing the missings list.
 
Again, if I don't have at least 1-2 wolves in my neutral or wolflean, then I would be disappointed. What are you saying? That I should have wolves in my villagelean? That I should be 100% on my wolflean. You honestly think I should be 100% correct on wolflean and not have any in my neutral??? You must really respect my play!!! Thank you! Lol (please clarify if I misunderstand what you are saying. And clarify where I should have my wolf reads. And what percentage I must be correct on).

I am comfortable with my effort. I feel like I have been better on my reads this game as far as I can know up to this point. And with less content. Probably b/c I am organizing and tracking my thoughts better (which you were critiquing)
No, they should be in your wolf leans. I know for a fact you have two villagers in your wolf leans. Though I truly think at least 3/4 are all village. That's not a good thing and means you need to reevaluate your reads unless the goal is to ensure a wolf win.

If you have wolves in your village leans, that's another reason to make sure you're actually pushing wolves and not defending them.
 
No, they should be in your wolf leans. I know for a fact you have two villagers in your wolf leans. Though I truly think at least 3/4 are all village. That's not a good thing and means you need to reevaluate your reads unless the goal is to ensure a wolf win.

If you have wolves in your village leans, that's another reason to make sure you're actually pushing wolves and not defending them.
The only ones I think I have defended is: diff, zenge, visc, mayo/cray
 
The only ones I think I have defended is: diff, zenge, visc, mayo/cray
Even neutral is a half-defense (particularly if you vote in a way that would allow them to be pressured less). You said you trusted Zenge, but are you aware you're strongly pushing his top village reads instead of people he was unsure about? Doesn't being so incredibly wrong about Lawpy make you worry you're facing the wrong way?
 
I’m highly considering switching back to meats today. I wasn’t planning to out of caution due to seer claim (+ assumption that it’s likely to resolve itself if true and we can revisit it if she’s still alive and acting sus in a day or two) but the more I think about it her play doesn’t make sense for a village seer to me.
Whoa wait she claimed seer?
obviously my attention span is poor.
 
We still don't know if pippy is telling the truth so I think keeping track of her targets makes sense. She doesn't need to say who she saw, if anyone, at this point, since that would be unnecessary PR outting, assuming she's village. But I think the the other data point is fair to ask about.
ineedthisforreactions GIF
 
Even neutral is a half-defense (particularly if you vote in a way that would allow them to be pressured less). You said you trusted Zenge, but are you aware you're strongly pushing his top village reads instead of people he was unsure about? Doesn't being so incredibly wrong about Lawpy make you worry you're facing the wrong way?
True.

I don't follow anyone 100% but that is regardless b/c I like the majority of his. He lost me with his flipping so many times at the end and I didn't understand the flipping. (I am more of a concrete thinker which is why I hate changing votes/waffling/appearing flaky). I don't have Zenge here to follow his thoughts and the one that is making the most sense to me now has been here the least amount of time so I am not sure what to make of that...

I liked his w/w theory and was trying to help and create my own w/w theory at the same time. Lawpy was wrong but I've become accustomed to being wrong! Lol. Feel free to look at all of my yeets for all of my games (or whoever has the time) and see if my next statement is true. I do not believe that I have ever yeeted someone that has wound up being wolf!!!! (Is that even mathematically possible?!?) So yes, I try to reconsider my reads when they are wrong. Also, I try to not jump to conclusion b/c once I am there it is hard for me to reverse my thinking
 
True.

I don't follow anyone 100% but that is regardless b/c I like the majority of his. He lost me with his flipping so many times at the end and I didn't understand the flipping. (I am more of a concrete thinker which is why I hate changing votes/waffling/appearing flaky). I don't have Zenge here to follow his thoughts and the one that is making the most sense to me now has been here the least amount of time so I am not sure what to make of that...

I liked his w/w theory and was trying to help and create my own w/w theory at the same time. Lawpy was wrong but I've become accustomed to being wrong! Lol. Feel free to look at all of my yeets for all of my games (or whoever has the time) and see if my next statement is true. I do not believe that I have ever yeeted someone that has wound up being wolf!!!! (Is that even mathematically possible?!?) So yes, I try to reconsider my reads when they are wrong. Also, I try to not jump to conclusion b/c once I am there it is hard for me to reverse my thinking
He posted one last concrete list before flipping. Have you looked at it?

It's probably worth re-evaluating since you've never yeeted a wolf before and that's the main goal of a villager.
 
He posted one last concrete list before flipping. Have you looked at it?

It's probably worth re-evaluating since you've never yeeted a wolf before and that's the main goal of a villager.
It is the main goal is it??? Thanks!!! You could have saved me a lot of time had you said something sooner. This will be soooo much easier now!
 
Wait when did meats claim seer? I thought she was making a joke.
It was said in a joking way but from the context it looked like it was meant as a serious claim. Dunno why a villager would defend when they’re about to be yeeted with “if you flip me you’re going to see im seer” as a joke
 
unyeet pippy yeet meats

bored

I'm doing this and not sure if we're actually dealing with a low posting wolf pack or if low content villagers are just placing the bar so low that I'm having a hard time reading wolves sketchy over them. Meh.

Leaning woof
genny - really not giving me anything to work with, but may face mod consequences anyway
mk - overall feels lacking in content/engagement, though some posts have seemed too wolfy to be wolf
strog - similar to mk, but worse
meats - i have to go back and look, i know there was a post somewhere that pinged me (not the sear one). Need to see a lot more here too.

Leaning idk
pippy - idk, i was reading her village but hard for me not to consider zenge's read since this was his strongest one. self-resolving slot, though.

Leaning village
bob - seems like normal village bob
AM - broad engagement and questioning, had her fight with mayo as per the usual but was still questioning others and pursuing other leads
Vis - leaning a bit on zenge's read of her here, plus my own impression that this is a different vis than the one i (briefly) wolfed with last game
samac - mentioned yesterday, on the whole her village!samac posts seem to outnumber the others
mayo/cray - interactions with AM felt v/v to me, cray had a solid entrance into the slot as well
diff - seems to be thinking things through and bringing more data to wolfhunting where available
 
Ala Mando, Tsingy, Tendrombohitra, Vatohara Day 3 Tally

genny (2) - samac, mkg
Stroganoff (2) - AM, Viscernable
mkg (1) - diff
Pippy () -
DubZ (1) - Pippy
AM (1) - Bob
meats (1) - Dubz

8/12 voting

Missing: @Stroganoff @vetmedhead @Crayola227 @genny

Mouse Lemur GIFs - Get the best GIF on GIPHY




Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~3 hours)
 
I’m highly considering switching back to meats today. I wasn’t planning to out of caution due to seer claim (+ assumption that it’s likely to resolve itself if true and we can revisit it if she’s still alive and acting sus in a day or two) but the more I think about it her play doesn’t make sense for a village seer to me.
Others have pointed out the problem here - she made a meat joke involving searing, and I think you misread it.

The wine made me do it. But in all seriousness genny has seemed off to me, and I wanted to place my vote somewhere off of Pippy while I panicked about what to do 5 minutes before the day closed
You'd already unvoted Pippy at that point - I guess what I don't get is that if you were planning to rethink/revote before deadline, why put down a "for funsies" vote? And if you had rationale for it, why say otherwise?

Follow up question - do you have any wolfy reads other then me?
my reads on everyone thus far are as follows:


wolf lean
- strog - the "starting from d1 close to lynch" really rubs me the wrong way - it seems like a way of creating an excuse for a "random" vote rather than actually contributing. doesn't help that they've mentioned (multiple times) being around/going to give their thoughts on things and then just disappearing.

village lean
- AM - her fight with pippy this am seemed a little odd, but in general seems to be questioning things and trying to gather info for village
- pippy - also trying to gather info for village, claiming watcher/tracker as a pygmy lemur. That being said, if she doesn't produce any useful info and doesn't get night killed, will reconsider - just can't rule out PRs in this game and don't want to risk losing one of the few if there are. Plus I refuse to believe there are no lemurs in this game.
- vis - wasn't a fan of the late timing of the lawpy vote d1, but has been pretty rational/thinking things out, so inclined to give the benefit of the doubt here
- WZ - also seems to be talking things out, trying to gather info and suss out wolves

not sure
- Bob - originally it seemed like they were dropping votes and posting a lot without clarifying rationale/etc., but they've seemed to be contributing more
- samac - seeming more sketchy after yesterday's kerfuffle to me. claims vanillager but that's an easy claim to make; strange to me that they're acting like it'd be ridiculous to verify. that being said, they did claim a role (common or tailless tenrec) that seems feasible, which is the only reason I'm putting them here and not in the "wolfy" category.
- vmh - their response to vis's lawpy vote d1 was odd, but yesterday made me feel a tiny bit better about them with not voting pippy to self prez given risk of losing PR. I would have slotted them firmly in wolf category if they were claiming seer but pulled that move, though, but they're not.
- cray - didn't have the greatest read on mayo, and tbh their spattering of posts last night didn't really give me much either way on them
- genny - literally have no real read either way because they've been so inactive. may be replaced/modkilled/etc. due to poor activity. seems to be on a lot of wolf-lists for others.
 
What I'm most disgusted with is that I've gotten more content from Cray in 12 hours than Strog in 50+ hours.
Lol I feel like that comparison should never be made because that statement is going to be mostly true 90% of the time for 90% of the roster
 
If Meats claimed seer somewhere, then she needs to be yeeted asap. I highly doubt there would be more than one info gathering role in a game like this and so if she's claiming that, she's lying.
Sigh I don't want to say, hey guys, is this a Pippy claim in case the wolves missed it, but if I caught it I doubt the wolves didn't unless they're not even reading thread, in that case they might miss my post anyway.

I say sigh because it brings up even more of a Pippy conundrum.
 
He posted one last concrete list before flipping. Have you looked at it?

It's probably worth re-evaluating since you've never yeeted a wolf before and that's the main goal of a villager.
Be nice

Edit nvm reading backward and see that Bob himself brought up his own record. Buck up Bob you'll get there. I think I only really peg one wolf a game if I'm lucky. I sus more than that but then again I sus a lot it's bound to happen.
 
No, you say this line every game and have been wrong every time. mayo also has a 100% incorrect read rate on me which is an impressive feat in itself.

Policy yeet is when you need to yeet someone regardless of affiliation if you want any real chance of winning.

Well, look here. You're miraculously still alive so clearly it did nothing to harm you. Nothing harmful comes from sharing wolf reads. Vote earlier today.
Friend, I distinctly remember what you do as a wolf as frequently you're often doing it directly to me.

Otoh, that doesn't mean that I don't sometimes mistake your village play for wolfy. But don't act like I can't recognize your wolf play. I can and I have. Not sussing you wrongly is the real challenge.

Also, @BobLoblaw78 AM is being somewhat facetious. A policy yeet isn't someone you yeet regardless of affiliation to have a chance of winning. It's someone that is so hard to read/resolve by normal means for whatever reason (post analysis, VCA, etc) that the only way you can be sure they aren't a wolf living to endgame is to yeet them before end game. Often this will be inscrutable, chaotic, low posting, diabolical, or otherwise extremely difficult to read players that often somehow manage to be lower yeet priorities for days despite all that.
 
Saving this to look at later. I’m down to vote any of the tied people from yesterday, I feel like there’s a good chance there was a wolf on the board

With all due respect cray you are awful at reading me, do I need to remind you about your reads from WWizards?

Ok sure that could make sense. But no one voting for him thought that, honestly there wasn’t really a clear reason at all, hence why I think the strog vote on D1 was wolfy

The wine made me do it. But in all seriousness genny has seemed off to me, and I wanted to place my vote somewhere off of Pippy while I panicked about what to do 5 minutes before the day closed
Naw in the speed game I think it was obvious you were wolfing. One of the games.

Also given that Paws' defense the whole time she was scum in that one game was declaring how bad I am at reading her, just gonna take any defense that isn't refuting a point but just basically says "your track record for reading me is awful" as 100% first line wolf defense. Try something better.

People didn't say that about Strog but that easily could just be me putting my finger on the problem. Not convinced that was just a wolfy vote.
 
Naw in the speed game I think it was obvious you were wolfing. One of the games.

Also given that Paws' defense the whole time she was scum in that one game was declaring how bad I am at reading her, just gonna take any defense that isn't refuting a point but just basically says "your track record for reading me is awful" as 100% first line wolf defense. Try something better.

People didn't say that about Strog but that easily could just be me putting my finger on the problem. Not convinced that was just a wolfy vote.
giphy.gif
Please dont start twisting and misremembering things. The only speed game I wolfed in was Guardians of the Galaxy, where I got converted at the end, and you had been sus of me the whole time as a villager.
 
Others have pointed out the problem here - she made a meat joke involving searing, and I think you misread it.


You'd already unvoted Pippy at that point - I guess what I don't get is that if you were planning to rethink/revote before deadline, why put down a "for funsies" vote? And if you had rationale for it, why say otherwise?


my reads on everyone thus far are as follows:


wolf lean
- strog - the "starting from d1 close to lynch" really rubs me the wrong way - it seems like a way of creating an excuse for a "random" vote rather than actually contributing. doesn't help that they've mentioned (multiple times) being around/going to give their thoughts on things and then just disappearing.

village lean
- AM - her fight with pippy this am seemed a little odd, but in general seems to be questioning things and trying to gather info for village
- pippy - also trying to gather info for village, claiming watcher/tracker as a pygmy lemur. That being said, if she doesn't produce any useful info and doesn't get night killed, will reconsider - just can't rule out PRs in this game and don't want to risk losing one of the few if there are. Plus I refuse to believe there are no lemurs in this game.
- vis - wasn't a fan of the late timing of the lawpy vote d1, but has been pretty rational/thinking things out, so inclined to give the benefit of the doubt here
- WZ - also seems to be talking things out, trying to gather info and suss out wolves

not sure
- Bob - originally it seemed like they were dropping votes and posting a lot without clarifying rationale/etc., but they've seemed to be contributing more
- samac - seeming more sketchy after yesterday's kerfuffle to me. claims vanillager but that's an easy claim to make; strange to me that they're acting like it'd be ridiculous to verify. that being said, they did claim a role (common or tailless tenrec) that seems feasible, which is the only reason I'm putting them here and not in the "wolfy" category.
- vmh - their response to vis's lawpy vote d1 was odd, but yesterday made me feel a tiny bit better about them with not voting pippy to self prez given risk of losing PR. I would have slotted them firmly in wolf category if they were claiming seer but pulled that move, though, but they're not.
- cray - didn't have the greatest read on mayo, and tbh their spattering of posts last night didn't really give me much either way on them
- genny - literally have no real read either way because they've been so inactive. may be replaced/modkilled/etc. due to poor activity. seems to be on a lot of wolf-lists for others.
Well I wasnt about to spend the last 5 minutes of the day writing a paragraph about my vote choice. I'd like to think you're just a villager thats stuck tunnelling on me but I'm having some issues with your reads list. People like AM, just for example, if she was a wolf she wouldnt be obvious, of course she (or anyone) is going to appear to be wolf hunting and asking questions. But if you think something is off with her tone or interactions, thats pretty important. So with that being said, if you think AM is off, I dont get why shes at the top of your village leans.
 
My only problem with this is I do not understand why a wolf!mkg would come in late yesterday and make a "for funsies" vote on genny. Feels like a too wolfy to be wolf situation.
The more I read the less good I feel about mkg, their votes have been in some weird places and a lot of their pushes are a little milquetoast (I recognize I am the pot calling the kettle black here). I see why the last minute switch is too wolfy to be wolf but that vote close was a ****show and I can see a last minute wolf panic to dive off a thread claimed PR for village cred
 
It was said in a joking way but from the context it looked like it was meant as a serious claim. Dunno why a villager would defend when they’re about to be yeeted with “if you flip me you’re going to see im seer” as a joke

What does this mean, then?
It's a joke... About cooking... You need to sear both sides of a piece of meat when you're cooking it to make it tasty and that generally involves flipping it over at least once?
Oh I’m the only one who just took it as a meat joke?
I feel like I'm bad at cracking jokes now with how much confusion that post caused lol
 
Lawpy said:
I meant MKG's comments on you and WZ were reading a bit hedgy to me

I'm thinking more about you vs alleys that was going on initially

I didn't really notice any MKG and Dubz acrimony. Nothing that set off anything, at least.

Bob said:
I think we have played a couple more than that together :sorry: (my bad if I am wrong- I can barely remember my own games)

I don't remember ever playing with you. Are you new to WW? Welcome!

Alley said:
Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Alley

Bad feels from the few posts I have seen and I don't like the Strog vote

See, I noticed quite a few people switching their votes to Alley. Not just April but some other people waffling onto this successful wagon.

Interesting.

Getting some pings from April, but I'll have to see a bit more.

Zenge said:
Didn’t like these reasonings on AM or WZ, and did not like the deflection when AM called her on it.
Didn’t like the very fast changing of mind onto Stroganoff when his vote is taking off, or her answer to Dubz about it here:
Unyeet Samac
Yeet Pippy

I agree with this. I'm not sure what to make of Pippy. She's been on my ass a bit this game. But she's also tunneled me in past games.
 
I didn't really notice any MKG and Dubz acrimony. Nothing that set off anything, at least.



I don't remember ever playing with you. Are you new to WW? Welcome!



See, I noticed quite a few people switching their votes to Alley. Not just April but some other people waffling onto this successful wagon.

Interesting.

Getting some pings from April, but I'll have to see a bit more.



I agree with this. I'm not sure what to make of Pippy. She's been on my ass a bit this game. But she's also tunneled me in past games.
I’m glad it’s day 3 and you’re sus of someone who died night 1. Helpful.
 
Feeling worse about samac's play

reading diff, bob, and cray more village

Can never interpret am or dubz well but honestly willing to lean them both village based on their general pushing strategies and approach to thread so far

I also frankly have pippy more village - a PR claim on thread is suicidal as wolf or village and she only did it as a last resort, and barring conversion ability (which notifications of often show up in night results - not a guarantee but most Pre-Vet mods do some variation of this) or extra kills there are other options for her to take to try to get out of a vote
 
Feeling worse about samac's play

reading diff, bob, and cray more village

Can never interpret am or dubz well but honestly willing to lean them both village based on their general pushing strategies and approach to thread so far

I also frankly have pippy more village - a PR claim on thread is suicidal as wolf or village and she only did it as a last resort, and barring conversion ability (which notifications of often show up in night results - not a guarantee but most Pre-Vet mods do some variation of this) or extra kills there are other options for her to take to try to get out of a vote
I mean you did vote for me yesterday. The fact that you’re just now being like “your play is sus” after putting me on the chopping block yesterday is interesting.
 
It's a joke... About cooking... You need to sear both sides of a piece of meat when you're cooking it to make it tasty and that generally involves flipping it over at least once?

I feel like I'm bad at cracking jokes now with how much confusion that post caused lol
Also this post isn't meant to be rude to you @Viscernable , I'm legitimately trying to recreate whatever my meat-related thought process was when I wrote that lol.
I didn't really notice any MKG and Dubz acrimony. Nothing that set off anything, at least.



I don't remember ever playing with you. Are you new to WW? Welcome!



See, I noticed quite a few people switching their votes to Alley. Not just April but some other people waffling onto this successful wagon.

Interesting.

Getting some pings from April, but I'll have to see a bit more.



I agree with this. I'm not sure what to make of Pippy. She's been on my ass a bit this game. But she's also tunneled me in past games.
Okay well I have been doing a bad job keeping up on thread but you're making me look amazing in comparison right now
 
Pippy said:
What does this mean?
I agree with this. At least in my experience voting off absentee people has always flipped village. It doesn't necessarily help.

mayo said:
All caught up.

My strongest reaction so far is confusion about the Strog vote. If it's him then hopefully I'm proven wrong, but I don't like it.

Thanks. I think the votes were joke and/or random votes, to be honest.

MirrorTodd said:
I'm not sure how you quoted me on this. Lol

YOOO! I didn't know you were playing! I didn't see you on the roster. Long time no see, man!

Lawpy said:
Thinking

unyeet vissy
yeet MKG

Why MKG?

shorty said:
Means you have to play now 😈

Oh, if people aren't in the game they should use asterisks to encapsulate their posts.

genny said:
Yeet samac
Why samac?

I generally like to see a short blurb in vote posts with reasoning.

Lawpy said:
I'm not opposed to this
Why are you not opposed to a samac vote?
 
I mean you did vote for me yesterday. The fact that you’re just now being like “your play is sus” after putting me on the chopping block yesterday is interesting.
This reminds me, I forgot to reply to your original ping about that vote, but it was based on the most recently posted tally in the chaos of close and I was picking someone who was close enough in votes to me that it could be a reasonable self prez vote who also wasn't pippy

But now I am more sus of you lol. I think strog is worth the flip first though because you at least have been active and contributing
 
Top