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I just sent in my app to NYIT. My stats are 3.45/3.35/27. I have one interview to an MD school so far. No rejections, just lots of silence. It is completely my fault because I was on the late side of applying. I was complete at most of my schools mid-October to early November.
 
I am trying to stay positive. I feel like my stats are decent enough along with the direct patient contact experience over the past couple of years. It is great that I have applied to 18 schools with no rejections, but I would like to get a couple more II's soon.
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
If you don't get it this year don't give up. The reason I have a master degree is because of my failures to get into a school. Turned out to be a great learning opportunity and I'm glad I have the degree. Had to keep telling myself the only sure way to get where you want to go is to be going the right direction. So if you don't get in just increase your EC's or get a master degree. Whatever it takes.
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Thank you for the kind words. With this school starting to accept applications in the middle of the cycle, especially being a new school, I feel like I might have a chance here. Not that I do not have a chance at other schools, but I would expect the stats to be a bit lower for the first year.
 
Does anyone know if we'd have to complete the NYIT secondary? Isn't it 80 dollars?
 
I'm on one waitlist and have two more interviews this cycle. I'm deciding if I should apply.
 
Is the interview in Arkansas or in NY?
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
skype
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Did you work that out for other interviews too? Interested in which schools permit this. I was under the impression none allowed it.

DoNoHarm14 said:
It's via web cam because the school is in New York.
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Right.

DoNoHarm14 said:
This is a New York school.
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Hence the name. Yeah.

DoNoHarm14 said:
It's saving me lots of money not to have to fly out and get a hotel.
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This applies to the vast majority of schools. And most schools frankly expect us to shell out for travel/lodging to go interview with them. I'm really surprised they let you do this.

But that's to give you perspective on why that other person is like "wut." It is by no means considered status quo that one can simply skype for interviews. Otherwise I'm sure most of us would be doing it.
 
Since it is a branch campus of a well-known school, it makes it much less sketchy given the circumstances.
 
any idea of where the core rotation sites for this school be, arkansas or new york?
 
depolarization5 said:
any idea of where the core rotation sites for this school be, arkansas or new york?
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There will definitely be sites in Arkansas. They have established some residencies already in Jonesboro. However, not sure if students can share rotation spots in New York. Remains to be seen.
 
Advice needed: Should I apply to this school with a 3.6 cumulative, 3.5 science, 490 mcat, lots of EC's, shadowing and healthcare experience?
 
jlang2323 said:
Advice needed: Should I apply to this school with a 3.6 cumulative, 3.5 science, 490 mcat, lots of EC's, shadowing and healthcare experience?
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We don't really know a whole lot about this school but I'd imagine a 490 (~18) would get screened out just as it would at most other DO schools.
 
I got an e-mail with an II for this school. I didn't reply since I wasn't interested, and today they called me asking if I could schedule an interview type over Zoom. I declined, and the lady on the phone asked me to reply to the e-mail stating that I was declining the II. I wonder if they're having a hard time getting II's from people for the Arkansas campus.
 
I got all my stuff submitted yesterday so it will be interesting to see their turn around on offering II's for people who specifically applied for consideration at the Arkansas campus.
 
I'm so attempted to apply to this school as its just an hour drive for me.

I know the first year of any program will be rocky but can we take any solace that its an extension NYIT??
 
Prairiepalmeri said:
Actually. This whole thing is extremely sketchy and no one should apply *tisk tisk*
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It would be hilarious if this were secretly a troll thread and there is no NYIT-Arkansas. The following page was set up by a 6 year old Russian hacker just to mess with us. http://www.nyit.edu/medicine/about/nyitcom_arkansas/

Nontheless I expressed my interest candidly.

Hey,

I wanna get into Arkansas. My strengths are I'll actually move to Arkansas if you accept me. My weaknesses are I haven't been accepted anywhere.

k tanks.

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Any chance they accept international students?
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
don't apply ?
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@cliquesh is a resident physician who is just speaking his opinion on the new school. Hopefully he doesn't have to apply to med school again.

Taking a look at their website, I roll my eyes at the fact that they describe their labs as if they are something extraordinary. "Simulation robotics, OMM, anatomy, exam rooms for SP's!" These are essentials for all DO schools.
 
Userneedmoreinfo said:
I have a theory that these medical schools specifically DO are growing in a rapid rate in order to decrease the stigma between their md coworkers. Currently 1/4 medical students are rising DOs. There fore over the next 20-25 years their will be somewhere between 30-50 percent of medical students are DOs. Especially after the merger this could lead to something similar to dentistry. Overall the biggest hit is foreign graduates. I believe the merger will help dos greatly.
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A few things:

This growth of DO students is NOT looked upon well by our MD counterparts, especially with the way we are going about it by opening up schools near hospitals with essentially no resident teams (meaning all preceptor based training for at the minimum the first two to three entering classes) until the school actually puts work behind their words and successfully opens up those FM and IM residencies at the iddy bitty community hospital nearby.

Quantity does not equal quality.

Another thing: the merger was in no way shape or form a way to "help DO's". It was a threat to the AOA that their residency standards were subpar and it was being noticed by PD's and Chairs of ACGME fellowships (as compared to DO/MD graduates of ACGME residencies). Essentially, if the AOA did not accept ACGME's help to get their act together (AKA accreditation), ACMGE was simply going to bar off any graduate of an AOA residency program to be eligible to apply for any ACGME fellowship. Things were discussed and voila, AOA accepted it's fate and allowed ACGME to step in to accredit programs. Now the overhaul the AOA programs to ACGME is in many cases a double edged sword. On one hand, DO graduates can sigh a sigh of relief that they are getting high quality residency training. On the other hand other AOA programs will now cease to exist (because they can't meet ACGME standards either through staff employment to handle the residency or faculty-to-residency physician ration), making the once big "safety" net for DO's to drop into if they wanted to easily match a bit smaller.
 
Anyone who interviewed at nyitcom in ny already this cycle get an interview for arkansas?
 
What mcat score are people being accepted here with? Taking the mcat in Jan. reapplying this upcoming summer. I was a 2014 applicant. 3.4 gpa 3.5 sGPA with 24 on Mcat 6,9,9. I am taking the new mcat and now in graduate school for a masters in Pharmacology with a 3.5 gpa my first semester. I had gotten into St. Georges my first application but still looking for that US acceptance. Anyone know what I'll need on the mcat?
 
DocsRocks21 said:
What mcat score are people being accepted here with? Taking the mcat in Jan. reapplying this upcoming summer. I was a 2014 applicant. 3.4 gpa 3.5 sGPA with 24 on Mcat 6,9,9. I am taking the new mcat and now in graduate school for a masters in Pharmacology with a 3.5 gpa my first semester. I had gotten into St. Georges my first application but still looking for that US acceptance. Anyone know what I'll need on the mcat?
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500+ is almost the rule, 502+ is pretty decent, 505+ is climbing into the "safe zone," and 510+ is a definite qualification if we are speaking of just the MCAT portion with respect to DO schools. Aim high, though.
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
If you don't get any other offers this year and really want to stay in the U.S. I would defer St. George. Maybe being nearly done with your gradute degree could help your chances for next year too. Plus you'd be starting the app cycle with an acceptance. Hope it works out for you this year though.
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Why did you quote me? Lol. Also, I would never refer someone to accepting an offer from any of the Carribean schools. Never.
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
sorry clicked the wrong button haha. You can have a fine career going to the Caribbean. It's a bit more difficult, but by no means impossible. Obviously anyone would take U.S. over going out of the country, but I woulnd't say its a bad plan if it's your only offer.
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It's a bad plan. Period. You might get lucky, but it's akin to aiming for a soft place to land when your parachutes fail. I mean, it's a plan...
 
DoNoHarm14 said:
sorry clicked the wrong button haha. You can have a fine career going to the Caribbean. It's a bit more difficult, but by no means impossible. Obviously anyone would take U.S. over going out of the country, but I woulnd't say its a bad plan if it's your only offer.
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Finecareer? The 50% of grads who end up unmatched don't have a fine career, they have NO career with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt on their back. When you are a US citizen going to a Caribbean medical school you've placed a red flag on your app because 1) you're an external applicant to ERAS meaning you'll be simply screened out of the process 2) PDs will wonder what went wrong, that's the FIRST thing they'll think about your application.

So, 50% shot and landing a so so residency in the middle of no where? (Fwiw the grads who do match into decent places are from canada or are actually previous doctors in foreign countries). It's a bad plan.

Go look at the Residency forum and see how many Carib grads there are who ask "I applied to 100 spots and still went unmatched, what's going on?"
 
AlteredScale said:
Finecareer? The 50% of grads who end up unmatched don't have a fine career, they have NO career with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt on their back. When you are a US citizen going to a Caribbean medical school you've placed a red flag on your app because 1) you're an external applicant to ERAS meaning you'll be simply screened out of the process 2) PDs will wonder what went wrong, that's the FIRST thing they'll think about your application.

So, 50% shot and landing a so so residency in the middle of no where? (Fwiw the grads who do match into decent places are from canada or are actually previous doctors in foreign countries). It's a bad plan.

Go look at the Residency forum and see how many Carib grads there are who ask "I applied to 100 spots and still went unmatched, what's going on?"
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And that 's 50% of those who actually make it to that stage. 50% of Caribbean students never get that far, so ultimately there is a 25% chance of landing what will likely be an undesirable residency.
 
Okay clearly I am not in favor of Carribean schools And do not want to drag this convo but can someone explain to me why st George's residency placement looks pretty good? I just checked the 2015 one out and it's impressive. Also the attending I am working with right now ( I'm a scribe) went to Sgu and he said if u want to do internal medicine. Family medicine or Peds you will have no problem, but if you want to do surgery than that's when you have shut the doors for many programs.

I have not applied and will not be applying to any Caribbean med schools but was always so curious why they get bashed when people tend to match ( even if it's just family internal or Peds )
 
F#&$#^&&@theMCAT said:
Okay clearly I am not in favor of Carribean schools And do not want to drag this convo but can someone explain to me why st George's residency placement looks pretty good? I just checked the 2015 one out and it's impressive. Also the attending I am working with right now ( I'm a scribe) went to Sgu and he said if u want to do internal medicine. Family medicine or Peds you will have no problem, but if you want to do surgery than that's when you have shut the doors for many programs.

I have not applied and will not be applying to any Caribbean med schools but was always so curious why they get bashed when people tend to match ( even if it's just family internal or Peds )
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Probably because your interpretation of the placement is misinformed. And that's okay. Hell I used to do that too with looking at the match lists for a lot of DO schools ("Oh look Mayo Clinic in Arizona for IM that's top tier!")

I'll run down some of the placements. Let's look at their IM placement. At first glance you see Cleveland Clinic and think "oh wow that's amazing". But it's CC in florida. Not even comparable to CC in ohio. And moreover CC isn't a university program, it's a community hospital.

Albert Eintstein is a university med center but I see no matches to their main flagship hospital which is Montefoire, oh wait I see one who matched there but...it's PRELIMINARY..so not a real IM residency, a one year gig). It's similar to someone saying they matched to UCLA for IM and it's Harbor (a smaller less competitive hospital compared to their main flagship which is Ronald Reagan). Icahn School of Medicine is also at the smaller hospital programs...not their main hospital. Stamford (NOT Stanford) is the same. Their Thomas Jefferson match is preliminary. Their UCSF match is at UCSF Fresno (not even comparable to the main UCSF medical center).

There's a quite large mistake on their Yale IM matches in that they are BOTH Yale-Waterbury. Again not even close to Yale New Haven IM (where the residents their come from top-tier MD schools), it's a communiveristy program. I just combed through Yale New Havens IM roster and see no one from St. Georges.

Their surgery placement? Almost ALL of the matches at University MC's are PRELIMINARY. Aka not a real surgery residency. It's a one year gig.

Good for those who matched IM, FM, Peds, Psych, and PM&R but the kicker here is: how many of those SGU grads who matched prelim/transitional years at "amazing academic medical centers" will go on to get a real categorical residency and how many will end up unmatched an working as a Research Assistant afterwards because they need a way to keep paying their loans from private banks who do no give them any forgiveness plan or grace period?
 
AlteredScale said:
Probably because your interpretation of the placement is misinformed. And that's okay.

I'll run down some of the placements. Let's at their IM placement. At first glance you see Cleveland Clinic and think "oh wow that's amazing". But it's CC in florida. Not even comparable to CC in ohio. And moreover CC isn't a university program, it's a community hospital.

Albert Eintstein is a Uni Medical Center but I see no matches to their main flagship hospital which is Montefoire (and of the one's who say they match on their list...it's PRELIMINARY..so not a real IM residency). It's similar to someone saying they matched to UCLA for Medicine and it's Harbor (a smaller less competitive hospital compared to their main flagship which is Ronald Reagan). Icahn School of Medicine is also at the smaller programs...not their main hospital.

SUNY is not that impressive. Stamford (NOT Stanford) is the same. Their Thomas Jefferson match is preliminary. Their UCSF match is at UCSF Fresno (not even comparable to the main UCSF medical center).

There's a quite large mistake in their Yale IM matches in that they are BOTH Yale-Waterbury. Again not even close to Yale New Haven IM (where the residents their come from top-tier MD schools), it's a communiveristy program.

Their surgery placement? Almost ALL of the impressive ones at University MC's are PRELIMINARY. Aka not a real surgery residency. It's a one year gig.
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Yes that cleared up a lot thanks! Although at the end of the day they did match and those programs aren't all that bad. I feel like my understanding is still not there because it still seems impressive. Maybe this list includes people who haven't matched in the past?
 
F#&$#^&&@theMCAT said:
Yes that cleared up a lot thanks! Although at the end of the day they did match and those programs aren't all that bad. I feel like my understanding is still not there because it still seems impressive. Maybe this list includes people who haven't matched in the past?
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Glad it helped!

https://postgrad.sgu.edu/ResidencyAppointmentDirectory.aspx?year=2015

Well that little link above is not just for one year of grads. No way.

See I'm not impressed because any MD or DO school will match most of their students into real residencies with maybe 4-5 (at DO schools at least) doing prelim or transitional to get into an advanced residency like Derm. As a SGU student you have a 50-60% shot at matching with a good chance you'll match a prelim year..and that's it. It's essentially not matching at all.

What are some other things that are impressing you about the SGU match??
 
AlteredScale said:
Glad it helped!

https://postgrad.sgu.edu/ResidencyAppointmentDirectory.aspx?year=2015

Well that little link above is not just for one year of grads. No way.

See I'm not impressed because any MD or DO school will match most of their students into real residencies with maybe 4-5 (at DO schools at least) doing prelim or transitional to get into an advanced residency like Derm. As a SGU student you have a 50-60% shot at matching with a good chance you'll match a prelim year..and that's it. It's essentially not matching at all.

What are some other things that are impressing you about the SGU match??
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After reading that 50-60 percent of grads get residency ... Nothing lol!! ( is that on their website just curious )
 
F#&$#^&&@theMCAT said:
After reading that 50-60 percent of grads get residency ... Nothing lol!! ( is that on their website just curious )
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LOL honestly it's no big deal. If you look at any match list for the first time you see some big names and are wow'ed. I do it still.

Also for what its worth, I saw some grads match into Surgery at SUNY. SUNY is one of those places where it's much harder for a DO to match than a carib grad. So there's that...but IMO not worth the chances.

No SGU would never report that they only had a 60% chance of matching lol. What I did was looked at the list on the link above and you can categorize the type of match by categorical vs prelim. I used that chunk of data mixed with the fact that not everyone even makes it through to graduation (add to that that SGU or any carib grad has no obligation to keep you in their class unlike DO/MD programs that are watched by accreditation orgs) and estimated that number.
 
AlteredScale said:
LOL honestly it's no big deal. If you look at any match list for the first time you see some big names and are wow'ed. I do it still.

Also for what its worth, I saw some grads match into Surgery at SUNY. SUNY is one of those places where it's much harder for a DO to match than a carib grad. So there's that...but IMO not worth the chances.

No SGU would never report that they only had a 60% chance of matching lol. What I did was looked at the list on the link above and you can categorize the type of match by categorical vs prelim. I used that chunk of data mixed with the fact that not everyone even makes it through to graduation (add to that that SGU or any carib grad has no obligation to keep you in their class unlike DO/MD programs that are watched by accreditation orgs) and estimated that number.
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Got it well thanks and all the best to you!
 
Just stopping by to let everyone know what I know about this school. I actually live in Jonesboro (where the new campus is located) and was initially pretty excited about this. Jonesboro is a pretty nice city as far as Arkansas goes and it is growing rapidly. Arkansas State is also a bourgeoning school so the addition of a medical school should make the city and school that much better. I applied to NYIT along with 11 other schools in September knowing that eventually NYIT would allow its applicants to apply to its new school. Anyways, got an interview request the next day after the announcement of the school's opening and accepted it. Did the interview via Zoom which was just a 1 on 1 with a physician, although there was another physician from Jonesboro watching the interview as well. I wasn't a fan of the online interview b/c I feel that the lag and other various tech issues made me seem stupid. Also the physician interviewing me seemed to be kind of downplaying me like I was a homely southern boy, but I could've misinterpreted that. Regardless, got an acceptance via snail mail mailed from the original school in NY about a week later. The acceptance package is simple and asks that I send back a letter with my commitment via snail mail to NY and they will update me with further "terms of admission". No mention of a deposit fee or tuition. Although I know NYIT charges $1500 for a deposit and have also read that NYIT-Arkansas will have the same tuition as NYIT which is kind of insane. Still lingering on this decision as they gave me till the end of the month to reply. Already accepted a spot at ATSU-KCOM and waiting to hear from UAMS in Little Rock. I believe this will be a good school, but they are rushing too quickly to start it up and tuition is absurdly high for a new school that will likely have a lot of tele classes. The residency placement for a new school also makes me wary, but NYIT has a pretty good track record with that so maybe it will follow through in Arkansas. Bottom line for me: if I had no better options I would gladly commit to this school. It's in a good college city and shows promise, however with an acceptance from a more established school like ATSU-KCOM and a potential acceptance at UAMS (with 1/2 the tuition cost) I just don't think it would be wise for me to hop on board the NYIT-Arkansas train. Best of luck to those applying here though and I'm sure you'll do well!!
 
Marc Gasol said:
Just stopping by to let everyone know what I know about this school. I actually live in Jonesboro (where the new campus is located) and was initially pretty excited about this. Jonesboro is a pretty nice city as far as Arkansas goes and it is growing rapidly. Arkansas State is also a bourgeoning school so the addition of a medical school should make the city and school that much better. I applied to NYIT along with 11 other schools in September knowing that eventually NYIT would allow its applicants to apply to its new school. Anyways, got an interview request the next day after the announcement of the school's opening and accepted it. Did the interview via Zoom which was just a 1 on 1 with a physician, although there was another physician from Jonesboro watching the interview as well. I wasn't a fan of the online interview b/c I feel that the lag and other various tech issues made me seem stupid. Also the physician interviewing me seemed to be kind of downplaying me like I was a homely southern boy, but I could've misinterpreted that. Regardless, got an acceptance via snail mail mailed from the original school in NY about a week later. The acceptance package is simple and asks that I send back a letter with my commitment via snail mail to NY and they will update me with further "terms of admission". No mention of a deposit fee or tuition. Although I know NYIT charges $1500 for a deposit and have also read that NYIT-Arkansas will have the same tuition as NYIT which is kind of insane. Still lingering on this decision as they gave me till the end of the month to reply. Already accepted a spot at ATSU-KCOM and waiting to hear from UAMS in Little Rock. I believe this will be a good school, but they are rushing too quickly to start it up and tuition is absurdly high for a new school that will likely have a lot of tele classes. The residency placement for a new school also makes me wary, but NYIT has a pretty good track record with that so maybe it will follow through in Arkansas. Bottom line for me: if I had no better options I would gladly commit to this school. It's in a good college city and shows promise, however with an acceptance from a more established school like ATSU-KCOM and a potential acceptance at UAMS (with 1/2 the tuition cost) I just don't think it would be wise for me to hop on board the NYIT-Arkansas train. Best of luck to those applying here though and I'm sure you'll do well!!
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Will federal loans be available to its students?
 
Teioh said:
Will federal loans be available to its students?
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Not super educated on that topic, but it seems like both the Stafford and Grad plus loan should be available. Grad plus allows more than enough to pay for it. There is also talk of more scholarships available at NYIT-Arkansas than the original NYIT, but no one I've talked to has been able to tell me much about that. The best scholarship I know of NYIT offering is 7k.
 
I feel a little sick. I gave up on SDN since it was depressing me and I figured there was nothing productive here for me anymore. However I just stumbled unto this a month after it was posted. I have contacted NYIT admissions and I hope they send my app to Jonesboro. I am not desperate but I am desperate to get in anywhere at this point. All I need is someone to give me chance.
 
Buzzlightyear33 said:
I feel a little sick. I gave up on SDN since it was depressing me and I figured there was nothing productive here for me anymore. However I just stumbled unto this a month after it was posted. I have contacted NYIT admissions and I hope they send my app to Jonesboro. I am not desperate but I am desperate to get in anywhere at this point. All I need is someone to give me chance.
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Care to explain your situation? I personally don't know about this school, but it doesn't set well with me. Tele-classes, rushing their first class recruitment, located in Jonesboro, building is renovated and rushed, and honestly there will be a better school opening in Fort Smith by next application cycle (I would apply there if you wanna be in Arkansas).
 
I got a reply today. If your app is complete at NYIT it's automatically considered for the Arkansas campus too, no additional steps necessary. Hope that helps.
 
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