Official 2012-2013 Help Me Rank Megathread
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Interesting list. Put them in the order you like them and we'll get back to you.
Please don't throw lists up here "in no particular order." You obviously have some sort of idea of how you want to rank programs. Tell us so we can figure out what matters to you. Otherwise you're going to wind up with virtually useless information.
it is in the order I like them; maybe CCF = NSLIJ
Alright then...here we go:
Honestly, it's hard to fault your list the way it is. I would personally put OSU first and UAB lower, but that's only because I have an anaphylactic allergy to the South. I'd also drop CCF to the bottom but that's unlikely to be relevant, you're probably going to match above there anyway.
Here is my rank list in order. I'm 99% sure I want to do GI in the NYC area, but open to east coast for residency.
NYU (did GI away here loved it, best fit for me, young social bunch)
Jefferson (similar feel to NYU, they just matched 10 into GI)
BU = Monti (think i'd fit better at BU, but does monti give me a leg up for NYC GI fellowship? Hardest decision so far is this one and the one below.
NSLIJ = TUFTS (both great fits, not sure what gets me GI in NYC area, NS only has a few match/yr but they match in NYC areal, tufts has maybe 5-6/yr but seem to be in boston region
GW (would be happy here, but GI match is 1-2/yr)
RWJ (did not clique with them, cant live in Central Jersey)
BROWN (did not clique with them, cant live in providence)
DREXEL
Also deciding on interviewing at UMD but may cancel any thoughts on that program would be appreciated.
NYU (did GI away here loved it, best fit for me, young social bunch)
Jefferson (similar feel to NYU, they just matched 10 into GI)
BU = Monti (think i'd fit better at BU, but does monti give me a leg up for NYC GI fellowship? Hardest decision so far is this one and the one below.
NSLIJ = TUFTS (both great fits, not sure what gets me GI in NYC area, NS only has a few match/yr but they match in NYC areal, tufts has maybe 5-6/yr but seem to be in boston region
GW (would be happy here, but GI match is 1-2/yr)
RWJ (did not clique with them, cant live in Central Jersey)
BROWN (did not clique with them, cant live in providence)
DREXEL
Also deciding on interviewing at UMD but may cancel any thoughts on that program would be appreciated.
for what its worth, step 1 243, 4 first author GI abstracts, 2 book chapters, and second author on 4 abstracts.
Looks pretty reasonable, IMHO!
Mayo/Vanderbilt/Emory => These are arguably the reputation winners. Vandy and Emory will work you hard. Mayo is pretty chill, from what I've heard.
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Colorado/Wake/Brown => I would put these next. Brown residents seemed very happy IMHO.
Don't know too much about the Cali programs, unfortunately, except to say that the ones you've listed aren't in the "top 30" I don't think. Thus, some of these could be in the Wake/Brown/Colorado tier by reputation. That said, you've gotta look at the fellowship match lists to see if they'll suit your needs.
Good luck! You've got a great list there!
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Colorado/Wake/Brown => I would put these next. Brown residents seemed very happy IMHO.
Don't know too much about the Cali programs, unfortunately, except to say that the ones you've listed aren't in the "top 30" I don't think. Thus, some of these could be in the Wake/Brown/Colorado tier by reputation. That said, you've gotta look at the fellowship match lists to see if they'll suit your needs.
Good luck! You've got a great list there!
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Hey all,
I'm not playing with any big shot schools 🙂 but wanted your input as im a clueless IMG:
cook county
univ at buffalo
cooper
jersey shore
I'm not playing with any big shot schools 🙂 but wanted your input as im a clueless IMG:
cook county
univ at buffalo
cooper
jersey shore
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I might humbly suggest that Mayo might be your winner if you can stand the location. Definitely not a place that needs resident labor to support itself (so you could work harder than is expected of you). Treats its residents well. Does pretty well in terms of placement in fellowship. Hopefully others can chime in, as well, though.
Cook County - Gritty program but very well trained, in-house fellowships, and Chicago.
Buffalo
Cooper
Jersey Shore
gutonc, is there any particular reason why you put Dartmouth above Brown? Just curious...
Because it's a better program. More research, better fellowship prospects, phenomenal PD. It also has a bigger referral base than Brown which has to fight with the Boston behemoths. It's got it's issues (being stuck out in the middle of the woods and the ancient VA being the two that I remember) but it was one of my favorite programs.
thierryhenry, docsaab, gutonc, thank you for your input! 🙂
Thanks again gutonc!
bump thanks
Is this your preliminary rank order? Do you have specific questions between the programs?
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OHSU
U. of Wisconsin
U. of Utah
UNC
U of Maryland
Brown
Dartmouth
Montefiore (NY)
For a career in heme/onc, how would you rank these programs? I like all of them for some reason or another, on the fence about UMD, and I like Brown but wasn't sure how possible it was get into a good heme/onc program from Brown.
Thanks!
U. of Wisconsin
U. of Utah
UNC
U of Maryland
Brown
Dartmouth
Montefiore (NY)
For a career in heme/onc, how would you rank these programs? I like all of them for some reason or another, on the fence about UMD, and I like Brown but wasn't sure how possible it was get into a good heme/onc program from Brown.
Thanks!
Looks like you've got a pretty good list as it sits. If your goal is do GI in NYC or thereabouts, you need to put Monte and NSLIJ higher than BU and Tufts. Not that you couldn't potentially get GI in NYC from a Boston program, but your chances will be much higher from the NY programs.
That's almost exactly how I'd rank them. I'd move Dartmouth up above UMD and put Brown at the bottom but otherwise I like it.
One little "inside baseball" thing about OHSU to be aware of. There is a bizarre departmental bias on the part of the GIM/Hospitalist faculty there against Hem/Onc. It's a long, ridiculous, story involving people being all butthurt by things long past (and people who haven't worked there in years). As such, your exposure to Hem/Onc as a resident will be minimal unless you seek it out. If you do seek it out (electives, research, etc) you will be warmly welcomed.
But Jeff as my 2 is ok? Looked to me like they matched GI all over.
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I am looking for a "benign" program; resident friendly, family-friendly, good training. Plan on doing Endocrinology
UAB
UF-Gainesville
USC-Greenville
Wake Forest
UT-Knoxville
MUSC
UVA
University of Kentucky
University of Cincinatti
Mercer in Macon
UAB
UF-Gainesville
USC-Greenville
Wake Forest
UT-Knoxville
MUSC
UVA
University of Kentucky
University of Cincinatti
Mercer in Macon
Michigan = Wash U = Vandy
Mayo = UCSD
OHSU = Wisc
I would argue here that the difference between Tiers 1 and 2 is not very big.
Where would you put Utah?
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UAB
Montefiore (assuming you are talking about NY city)
OSU
You could move CCF even lower as that is totally a fellow-run hospital. At least in CCU, the only things a resident will do are orders, notes - that's my 1 day experience @ CCF
rest in same order
Thanks in advance for your input, SDN sages. Here goes:
Interested in academic P&CCM and cardiology. Also have some interest in medical education research and curricular reform. No geographic ties--I'm down for an adventure.
01. Duke
02. U Chicago
03. Northwestern
04. Wash U in St. Louis
05. Colorado-Denver
06. UAB
07. Beth Israel Deaconess
08. UNC Chapel Hill
09. Emory
10. UVA
11. U Wash - Haven't been yet
I am 100% sure about #1. Less sure about #2 vs #3. Regarding #7, no, I am not crazy. Just a little underwhelmed.
Interested in academic P&CCM and cardiology. Also have some interest in medical education research and curricular reform. No geographic ties--I'm down for an adventure.
01. Duke
02. U Chicago
03. Northwestern
04. Wash U in St. Louis
05. Colorado-Denver
06. UAB
07. Beth Israel Deaconess
08. UNC Chapel Hill
09. Emory
10. UVA
11. U Wash - Haven't been yet
I am 100% sure about #1. Less sure about #2 vs #3. Regarding #7, no, I am not crazy. Just a little underwhelmed.
Not a sage, but I interviewed at #2,4,8,9 (UChicago, WashU, UNC, Emory) and that's the order I am most likely ranking them. I was impressed with UWash Seattle, and that one would be ahead of UChicago.
WashU St. Louis was the only place on my interview trail that still will not be converting to all EMR next year.
WashU St. Louis was the only place on my interview trail that still will not be converting to all EMR next year.
This is not true. The deadline is Oct 2013 to have everything converted from paper to electronic by then and one of the campus is already 100% electronic and it is being rolled out department/floorwise on the main campus.
Haven't heard much about this institution's EMR situation. So are they still doing paper notes and orders on the inpatient services? Or have they just not fully transitioned in the outpatient arena?
How is UVM regarded? I noticed it had some open positions in the past few years and not sure why. Really liked it when I visited.
Other places I am considering include Mayo, Dartmouth, Colorado, Utah, Alabama, UVA, Michigan, OHSU. I also have some "safer" places as well that will be ranked.
May cancel UAb and UVA. How does UVM compare to these?
Other places I am considering include Mayo, Dartmouth, Colorado, Utah, Alabama, UVA, Michigan, OHSU. I also have some "safer" places as well that will be ranked.
May cancel UAb and UVA. How does UVM compare to these?
I will put Wash U @ 2. Move Emory after UAB and move BID below UNC - I agree BID is no where near MGH or BWH and as long as you are not swayed by the name and are more worried about education, I would put UNC, Emory, and UW over BID.
Outpatient = 100% electronic
Inpatient = daily notes are pre-printed with all vitals, medications, labs - You have to put in physical exam and plan. H/Ps are still dictated. Discharge summaries are electronic now. Orders are 100% electronic. Everything will be electronic by Oct 2013. Doesn't affect your education in anyway.
I guess EMR is one thing that still needs some work.
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UAB has a very strong medicine dept. IMHO it will be a mistake to cancel this interview. I don't know much about UVA or UVM.
Agree that washu probably is better regarded than the Chicago programs. I really loved it on my visit. That said, I was highly impressed with nw and Chicago on my visits as well and both are pedigree programs IMHO.
that said, between the two, I thought they were very different. My hunch is that Chicago may indeed be a better fit for you given that duke is your number 1 and I thought they had similar feels. I was surprised how well respected Chicago is at my school for a smaller residency program -- really first class training, apparently.
My feel is that Colorado is bit high on your list, but if you liked it than go for it. Certainly a good program.
The word on sdn and at my school is that uw has less happy residents but of course you'll see for yourself when you go!
As for bid, I have also spoken to several classmates who have been underwhelmed, but of course it's still Harvard! Apparently residents are very happy, though.
You've got a sweet list -- I foresee you getting duke based on all the great interviews you've scored. If not, you've definitely got some solid choices!
Def do not cancel UVA unless the location is a deal dealer. Fantastic training, great match list, happy residents IMHO. And Charlottesville is a great town!
My list so far:
NW
WashU
UVA vs Pitt
Yale vs UNc vs Mayo vs Ohsu
Penn
Michigan
Duke
Chicago
Brown
Jeff
I'm trying to rank lifestyle, training, and reputation about equally. Want more nurturing places with a night float (ideally). Quality of clinical training is of course still key. Fellowship placement is key as well. Do not want to be burned out after residency, though.
Feel free to (1) tell my I'm nuts for putting three biggies so low (I may listen if you make a good case) or (2) to help me sort UVA vs Pitt (my most key question) and the row below that.
As to why UVA an Pitt are so high -- seemed like good quality of life, great match list (esp UVA), both places with education and service balanced well. Liked UVA location a smudge better.
Esp look forward to the regulars chiming in if they don't mind.
NW
WashU
UVA vs Pitt
Yale vs UNc vs Mayo vs Ohsu
Penn
Michigan
Duke
Chicago
Brown
Jeff
I'm trying to rank lifestyle, training, and reputation about equally. Want more nurturing places with a night float (ideally). Quality of clinical training is of course still key. Fellowship placement is key as well. Do not want to be burned out after residency, though.
Feel free to (1) tell my I'm nuts for putting three biggies so low (I may listen if you make a good case) or (2) to help me sort UVA vs Pitt (my most key question) and the row below that.
As to why UVA an Pitt are so high -- seemed like good quality of life, great match list (esp UVA), both places with education and service balanced well. Liked UVA location a smudge better.
Esp look forward to the regulars chiming in if they don't mind.
Duke might be a tad tougher than some of the programs higher on your list, but their rank list has been amazing as of late, and they have a great reputation for providing strong teaching and clinical exposure. I think Duke and Penn would be outstanding opportunities and should be in your top 3. While Wash U seemed to have a reputation of being cush in the past, I don't necessarily think it would be any easier than Penn and Duke. While Wash U is amazing too, Penn and Duke probably give you a slight leg up on fellowship match, and imo are better locations than St. Louis. I think leaving NW as first is fine, because it probably makes up for anything in lacks by being good for lifestyle and being in a great city, albeit the weather sucks.
