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Haha I’m out 5k 🥲
Me too unfortunately =[
Haha I’m out 5k 🥲
Which program is this again?I would not assume they do not look at your application.
For example, my PD looks at every single application even the ones that came in this past couple weeks
OSUWhich program is this again?
Thanks, but don’t you mean, The OSU. Ha ha
lol that's right. shame on meThanks, but don’t you mean, The OSU. Ha ha
It amazes me how random this all feels. Last year, I got six interview invites but unfortunately did not get in. This year, I didn't get a single invite. I had the same letter writers, updated my resume with a research project, and wrote a new mission statement.
Just to add context, I am four years out of school and currently teaching at an AEGD program. I applied to 19 programs and am still holding my breath for 6.
Do you mind sharing which programs you had interviewed at last year? Region wise if names are too specific?It amazes me how random this all feels. Last year, I got six interview invites but unfortunately did not get in. This year, I didn't get a single invite. I had the same letter writers, updated my resume with a research project, and wrote a new mission statement.
Just to add context, I am four years out of school and currently teaching at an AEGD program. I applied to 19 programs and am still holding my breath for 6.
It IS random for most. There isn't ANYTHING systematic/logical about the endo application process.It amazes me how random this all feels. Last year, I got six interview invites but unfortunately did not get in. This year, I didn't get a single invite. I had the same letter writers, updated my resume with a research project, and wrote a new mission statement.
Just to add context, I am four years out of school and currently teaching at an AEGD program. I applied to 19 programs and am still holding my breath for 6.
Thats why I am getting disappointed cause I know people and some program directors and I still didnt get invited! There is no set rule for them who they wanna invite!Same here!! Seems as though only way to get interviews is being connected to the program or knowing someone in the program. Just know that there will be hundreds of highly qualified and talented individuals that won’t get an interview just because there are so many applicants
One of my friends submitted their application yesterday because their ADAT score arrived yesterday after 6 weeks of taking the exam.😆Friend got Washington today for July 12 & 15
If only the deadlines were real and adhered to… 🥸One of my friends submitted their application yesterday because their ADAT score arrived yesterday after 6 weeks of taking the exam.😆
$220 spent totally unnecessarily. Schools should stop accepting applications once invites are sent out. Such a scam! Lol!
The desperation is getting to us hahaAny update for today?!!!
Remember y'all, once interviews start, things can change VERY quickly.
I got an invite from my current program only 2 weeks before the interview (so clearly somebody got in somewhere else and dropped out).
Damn, missed out on both🫡More interview invitations from Albert Einstein and Minnesota came out today!
Also what interview dates/contact method? We gotta update the boardMore interview invitations from Albert Einstein and Minnesota came out today!
the board is correct 🤓Also what interview dates/contact method? We gotta update the board
Hello Everyone,
I am new to this thread and a first time applicant to endo programs. My GPA is 3.86 ( 17/92), have a research in endo with poster presentation at AAE. Not taken ADAT. I graduated in May and will start AEGD in July. Applied a little late submitted primary application on June 6th and most secondaries by June 14th. Overall applied to 11 schools and I did not get a single interview yet. Could you please tell me what I can improve on/ or is a red flag here ?
Which program is that?Most competitive endo applicants will have as good/better GPA and rank than you, plus multiple years work experience. It's not a red flag that you haven't received interviews. It's common knowledge that endo highly values people with at least a PGY-1, if not multiple years of practice experience. My coresidents and I all had at least 3+ years work experience. My program hasn't taken a person straight out of dental school in over a decade.
Not that person’s program but I know a friend who graduated Detroit Mercy endo and said that was their preference, he had 5+ years work exp when he started residency, and all other residents did tooWhich program is that?
I think you are a very competitive applicant, but by the time you submitted your secondaries, some schools have already sent out interview invites, and I assume many schools have already begun/finished sifting through the application, which I imagine must be a very lengthy process given the number of applicationsHello Everyone,
I am new to this thread and a first time applicant to endo programs. My GPA is 3.86 ( 17/92), have a research in endo with poster presentation at AAE. Not taken ADAT. I graduated in May and will start AEGD in July. Applied a little late submitted primary application on June 6th and most secondaries by June 14th. Overall applied to 11 schools and I did not get a single interview yet. Could you please tell me what I can improve on/ or is a red flag here ?
Hello Everyone,
I am new to this thread and a first time applicant to endo programs. My GPA is 3.86 ( 17/92), have a research in endo with poster presentation at AAE. Not taken ADAT. I graduated in May and will start AEGD in July. Applied a little late submitted primary application on June 6th and most secondaries by June 14th. Overall applied to 11 schools and I did not get a single interview yet. Could you please tell me what I can improve on/ or is a red flag here ?
Same. Think it’s an automated one out to everyone.Just got a confirmation email from Buffalo said the application is complete!! Submitted long time ago tho!
This is sad.. I’m sorry for this. Endo is unfortunately a numbers gameIt amazes me how random this all feels. Last year, I got six interview invites but unfortunately did not get in. This year, I didn't get a single invite. I had the same letter writers, updated my resume with a research project, and wrote a new mission statement.
Just to add context, I am four years out of school and currently teaching at an AEGD program. I applied to 19 programs and am still holding my breath for 6.
I am sure so many candidates must be incredibly grateful to hear from someone on the other side! Thank you for contributing!Guys, just to give some perspective from the other side. We have over 270 completed applications this year and can only interview <10% for a few spots. Definitely in increase from a few years ago. We consider people that are out of school, practiced for years, failed NBDE part then passed, pgy1/non pgy1, homegrown/never set foot in our building, applications that weren't marked as completed etc... THERE IS NO SET RULE WHO WE INVITE. Programs want people they think will be a good fit and vise versa. It is tough to narrow down as you all have your strengths and I'm sure are completive in your own right. I will say for those that applied to schools sharing that interview day, there will absolutely be cancellations as you can't be in two places at once.
Something tells me they're about to send out invites soon, just like Texas A&M did.Same. Think it’s an automated one out to everyone.
Not sure about that, I received that email on June 6th.Something tells me they're about to send out invites soon, just like Texas A&M did.
You make good points but there is so many variables in each case. For majority of candidates it comes down to the boxes you check. The more boxes you check, the more likely you are to get interviews. Some luck is involved like in anything. Boxes are in no order class rank, ideally top 20%. Your experience. Not just how many years, but type of experience. Was it working in PG programs, running programs, military, private practice. And for how long. Private practice is least valued in this case. Also it’s your type of endo experience. Just doing root canals in private practice is good, but it doesn’t jump out on paper. Need to be part of AAE, attend, meet people. Need to have good letters of rec. A lot of candidates have these from Endodontists in military setting or academic settings. Those are super valuable because the evaluators don’t owe the candidate anything. And they can be brutally honest. Personal statement is another box. You’d be shocked at the **** people write. Super transparent. Also leadership experience.I am sure so many candidates must be incredibly grateful to hear from someone on the other side! Thank you for contributing!
It is incredibly unfortunate that there is no set rule for who is invited. Essentially it boils down to luck. What I fail to understand is how a fresh grad with 30 endos and excellent letters is considered "a better fit" than a seasoned dentist who does 30 endos a month AND has excellent letters. How is that decided? If there is no set rule who to invite, that just makes it so much worse for candidates reapplying because you never know how to improve your application for the next cycle. How do people with just 2 years (D3 and D4) of supervised clinical experience even know that they want to do this one specific specialty procedure the rest of their life when you haven't even scratched the surface of dentistry as a dental student and how do program directors agree with them?! 🤣 It's not like endo is ortho or OS where operative dentistry is practically nonexistent! I'm not saying that endo should be reserved for people with experience but it really makes you wonder what the PDs are thinking. What did the predocs do so special to be invited for interviews compared to someone with experience?
It all boils down to a sheer lack of transparency and predictability.
I really hope that schools replace dropped interview candidates with new ones because it's terribly cruel on part of schools to NOT do that. Unfortunately many don't.
Sometimes even if it's a box ticking game, it still feels a bit more luck-based than merit-based, which can be a bit demotivating, especially when you get no feedback on why you weren't chosen for even an interview. Not saying PD's have the time to provide feedback or are obliged to do so by any means, but sometimes it's difficult to see how many more boxes you can realistically keep ticking when there's not much left that is feasible and the years keep passing by. I know I want endo, and I know I'll keep trying til I get in no matter where it is, but the state that the applications and admissions process is in is still demotivating in my opinion.You make good points but there is so many variables in each case. For majority of candidates it comes down to the boxes you check. The more boxes you check, the more likely you are to get interviews. Some luck is involved like in anything. Boxes are in no order class rank, ideally top 20%. Your experience. Not just how many years, but type of experience. Was it working in PG programs, running programs, military, private practice. And for how long. Private practice is least valued in this case. Also it’s your type of endo experience. Just doing root canals in private practice is good, but it doesn’t jump out on paper. Need to be part of AAE, attend, meet people. Need to have good letters of rec. A lot of candidates have these from Endodontists in military setting or academic settings. Those are super valuable because the evaluators don’t owe the candidate anything. And they can be brutally honest. Personal statement is another box. You’d be shocked at the **** people write. Super transparent. Also leadership experience.
Do you need to check all these boxes to be a good endodontist or resident, of course not. But plenty of applicants do. So they can choose the cream of the crop.
I had a co-resident a year below me at my program who was right out of dental school. The dude was incredible. Poised, smart, super advanced for his age, and did beautiful endo. 99% of dental students right of school aren’t like that. But they exist and get into programs rightfully so.
I'm not here to tear down other candidates. And like I said, I'm not against fresh grads getting spots. But more is required clinically of an endodontist than just beautiful endo. There are certain skills that only experience, even of just a few years, can teach. Again, not at all to say that fresh grads aren't deserving.You make good points but there is so many variables in each case. For majority of candidates it comes down to the boxes you check. The more boxes you check, the more likely you are to get interviews. Some luck is involved like in anything. Boxes are in no order class rank, ideally top 20%. Your experience. Not just how many years, but type of experience. Was it working in PG programs, running programs, military, private practice. And for how long. Private practice is least valued in this case. Also it’s your type of endo experience. Just doing root canals in private practice is good, but it doesn’t jump out on paper. Need to be part of AAE, attend, meet people. Need to have good letters of rec. A lot of candidates have these from Endodontists in military setting or academic settings. Those are super valuable because the evaluators don’t owe the candidate anything. And they can be brutally honest. Personal statement is another box. You’d be shocked at the **** people write. Super transparent. Also leadership experience.
Do you need to check all these boxes to be a good endodontist or resident, of course not. But plenty of applicants do. So they can choose the cream of the crop.
I had a co-resident a year below me at my program who was right out of dental school. The dude was incredible. Poised, smart, super advanced for his age, and did beautiful endo. 99% of dental students right of school aren’t like that. But they exist and get into programs rightfully so.
what dates? we can update the boardinvites for UNC were sent today
Yah… don’t gocan anyone provide some insight into unc chapel hill program? DM or resply would be greatly appreciated!
Is UNC really in that big of a funk ?Yah… don’t go