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Fruit more likely to deepwolf than me
Fruit Explode GIF by VaynerSpeakers
 
EXACTLY

You will be dead and have flipped village and the other villager in f3 with me (let's be real, it probably would be samac which is horrible) will be all paranoid about me because you couldn't see reason.


And I'm saying that you keep saying I am a deepwolfing possibility but what deepwolf in their right mind throws away the cred they would have gotten by hopping off their packmate's vote at the last minute when they're going over anyway.

This isn't about meta.
I would have believed you voting kitz as a oh **** d1, not a deep wolf and guilt driving you off but you wouldn’t have been so happy with a wasp yeet d2. You would have protected wasp.
Thats why I have you in the lock.
 
i don't know what toby was doing
This is too real tbh, the more I see toby's posts the more I'm like WHAT and I still don't understand how Zenge caught him lol

Like all the arguments made sense after looking at them, along with what you and samac said after Zenge said to reconsider him, but that initial impetus to even look there. Whew.
 
every time a deepwolf fruit is suggested, a fruit somewhere in the world cries out in agony before being swiftly eaten or exploded...
You big deep wolf
You go to end game won’t you buckaroo!
I see it!
You and beans go!
Dubz and I should be killed!
 
(thank you fruits for having “only” 6 pages 🥹)

RNG dartboard: Clems, moons, Santy, genny

yeet moons
Rng fail
kcalbs tonally feels alright but there are a few times where it comes across as trying too hard to look villagey (e.g., the really strong repeated instances of asserting samacs is so strongly village which looks a bit forced)
First read of the game D1, seems legit
wasps content posts so far

nothing really leans them one way or the other

wasps isn’t sure of anyone yet except maybe agreeing with moons’ reasoning why spurs is villagey
Pulling attention on wasp
i feel like kcalbs looks purish but i’m still getting forced/tryhard feelings in her posts

i dont have issues with snapreading people, it’s the doubling down on existing reads, specifically the samacs village read, that’s pinging me

i’m not village reading samacs that strongly or even at all, i think some of samacs inquiry looks good but i know a couple of games ago she wolfed and ended up awkwardly bussing her packmate while following zenges leads which threw me off

i dont think samacs inquiring people is enough to get village read so i’m wary

and i’m wary of anyone really hard village reading her and doubling down on it
Another poke on kcalb
wasps and moons i think
First scum read on wasp, D1
unyeet moons
yeet kitz

@Animal Midwife
D1 kitz vote
i think the wagon is mostly village but i hesitate to say entirely

i don't think beans, kcalbs, santy are wolves from the way the votes went. obviously not moons either. kitz sort of got bulldozed there so the early voters have the strongest claim to being villageread

that said, samacs and spurs probably look good too for independent reasons
Backing off of kcalb for the kitz vote; makessense for the gamestate. No others mentioned
oh toby's village too but he's a bit of an unknown who claims to be good at wolfing and fooled AM few times

so... i don't think i can rule out toby deepwolfing here...
Tr toby kinda, but the first to suggest a deepwolf of him
actually i want to

unyeet SAR
yeet Waspy

@Animal Midwife
Yeet on wasp
i want to hone in on SAR/Wasps

well waspy fits since i really doubt spurs is a wolf

Yes maybe waspy dies
Toby response to fruits read on wasp
Clems, genny, Waspy, SAR, WZ, +/- queeqy is what i’m thinking for wolves
First time I appear on a sus list
unyeet waspy
yeet genny

@Animal Midwife
Flip to genny
WZ voting waspy is making me pause, will need to think further

possible that waspy may be a misdirection, and striking directly at SAR, genny, WZ would be productive
Backing off wasp
toby pls i just stick with queeqs

vampy and raes already gave me nightmares from last game
Me again
unyeet genny
yeet waspy


while i think

@Animal Midwife
Wasp again
oh wait nvm

unyeet waspy
yeet genny

@Animal Midwife
Flip again
unyeet Genny
Yeet The Wasp
Bruh
wait i have no reason to village read queeqs either

queeqs could very well be a wolf too
Up on the wolf read a 3rd time
spurs - voted kitz late then ultimately switched to SAR; went with SAR again
samacs - voted kitz late but buried waspy early --> village
beans - buried kitz early --> village
Clems - compatibility is high with kitz and waspy
Zenges - buried waspy early --> village
WZ - i guess voted waspy early but known to deepwolf in the past, so need to look contextually which so far looks alright, so on the edge of POE
raes - i don't really have any reason to village read her + compatibility is good
queeqs - like with raes, i don't have any reason to village read her + compatibility is good
toby - buried kitz very strongly; deepwolf is possible but impractical given current gamestate
genny - compatibility is possible but waspy breaking the tie in favor of genny end of day 2 is unusual, so on edge of POE
kcalbs - buried kitz early --> village
tr on toby again, keeping genny in the poe-ish
you think toby is deepwolfing?
toby deepwolf push
this is what toby said in response to kitz:




toby then followed up with a vote, late or otherwise

this looks like deepwolfing if toby is a wolf here given his independent attack on kitz

kitz wasn't in danger when toby attacked them like that

also toby attacked waspy too
first connection of bussing between both
toby's handling of waspy is weird though

toby thinks waspy and kitz being paired is too obvious and doesn't want to believe they're paired but votes waspy anyways before santy vetoes the waspy wagon

ok fine, perhaps we disagree on semantics

unyeet raes
yeet toby

@Animal Midwife
Yeet on toby
ok i think genny is probably village from the way waspy handled her
Switches genny to tr
clems, queeqs, toby for POE
Toby and I up again
queeqs sounds villagey to me
Now i’m back to village
unyeet toby
yeet Clems

@Animal Midwife
Off the toby yeet
unyeet Clems
yeet Toby

@Animal Midwife
Nvm
unyeet Clems
yeet queeqs

@Animal Midwife
Bruh
i actually feel queeqs is village
Wait I’m village again
clems > spurs > apop > WZ is what i'm thinking
Now i’m sus again
not yeeting genny ever, waspy and toby attacked her way too strongly
Genny is now towncore
it’s a coin flip between clems and spurs

if clems is yeeted and is wolf, we win!

if clems is yeeted and is village, shoot spurs

if spurs is wolf, we win!

if spurs is village, well we’ll discuss apop and WZ
Now WZ is in the sus pool despite earlier discussion of genny and kcalb
the strategy to bury kitz to the ground D1 when santy and sar were getting more attention and traction is too self defeating even for deepwolfing

clems, spurs, apops, WZ, samacs, genny, raes, kcalbs, beans
Again wz and samacare above the others for some reason
I guess we’re on kcab again
this is a prime bussing spot
Makes a good point
i'm going after kcalbs if apops is village
Are you tho
anyways, back to the game

i think yeeting apops today would be the ideal move

but if apops is village, we'd need to seriously consider deepwolfing

and i think kcalbs would be the deepwolf candidate

i'm thinking about toby deepwolfing by ambushing genny like that.. but this would also imply waspy was also deepwolfing for burying genny as well

to think two deepwolves got eliminated quickly while their packmate actively being deepwolfed upon survives is a... wolfing strategy to say the least
Kcalb up as deepwolf again. Contrasts bussing between toby/wasp/genny

Then recently dubz came up later.


Overall this feels like a town fruits progression. Way too many opportunities to stick to their guns and load up on misyeets, and bussing started earlier than I’d expect without fruits being the one being bussed.
 
Pretend I’ve already flipped village, can I get GTH reads for kcalb v genny?
 
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KC: once again this is only looking at KC's posts in regard to the wolves, not the wolves' thoughts on kc.
So the trend I'm seeing with KC is that they share their thoughts (like putting kitz/wasp in neutrals, being happy to vote kitz, moving wasp to POE) without really explaining why. They don't have a thought seemingly on Toby at all until he was an active point of contention with zenge bringing him up. I don't know if this full on makes KC wolfy but it is making me squint. It reads like following the thread consensus and trying to lay low.
 
KC: once again this is only looking at KC's posts in regard to the wolves, not the wolves' thoughts on kc.
So the trend I'm seeing with KC is that they share their thoughts (like putting kitz/wasp in neutrals, being happy to vote kitz, moving wasp to POE) without really explaining why. They don't have a thought seemingly on Toby at all until he was an active point of contention with zenge bringing him up. I don't know if this full on makes KC wolfy but it is making me squint. It reads like following the thread consensus and trying to lay low.
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Wolves' thoughts on KC: so like collectively none of the wolves ever said much of anything about kc other than they seem village/pure. (exception of wasp putting kc in POE and then moving them up to village lean without much explanation).
This doesn't look great for them.
 
Wolves' thoughts on KC: so like collectively none of the wolves ever said much of anything about kc other than they seem village/pure. (exception of wasp putting kc in POE and then moving them up to village lean without much explanation).
This doesn't look great for them.
If I got pocketed by 2 champs as wolves I’m so screwed in champs lol
 
wolf, if you're not apop and the game will continue tonight, just kill me 😭
thanks
 
I would have believed you voting kitz as a oh **** d1, not a deep wolf and guilt driving you off but you wouldn’t have been so happy with a wasp yeet d2. You would have protected wasp.
Thats why I have you in the lock.
I'm going for non-meta arguments here but indeed both are on my side 😛
 
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soft village: samac, spurs, kcalb, zenge, rae, fruit

neutrals/NAI: wasp, toby, SAR, santy, clem, genny, squee

squinting: moon, kitz

haven't checked in: dubz

This reads are way to right for a D1, if anything moons is the only wrong one.

I kinda wanted to make isos but work has been a ****ing rollercoaster and I'm behind on everything so what Im gonna do is

List of why each one is town

1- Samac actively pushed in D1 and D2 for wasp, overall collaborative
2- Genny was actively pushed not only by Wasp but by Toby until the day of his death
3- Fruit doesn't buss wolfmates (meta)
4- beans sussed kitz but wasnt the first to vote her, she teased it a few times
5- Dubz, everyone says is town
6- Apop is trying with the isos but everyone is way to clean in his eyes as a town

Now onto votes

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Santy (4) - Clem 13, rae 34, Zenge 58, kitz 26
fruit (1) - genny 20
beans (1) - Dubz 82
SAR (2) - Wasp 14, Spurs 119
kitz (7)
- Kcalb 49, beans 38, fruit 30, Santy 102, samac 84, toberto 42, moon 54

15/17
Missing: mrsqueequeg 8, SAR 37

Final Day 2 Yeet Tally
SAR (7)
- kcalb 67, beans 39, Clem 68, fruit 54, Mrs Queequeg 58, samac 173, Spurs 152
genny (4) - Santy 96, Zenge 108, Toby 55, Wasp 29
Clem (3) - SAR 15, Dubz 132, genny 65

14/15
Missing: rae 25

Final Day 3 Yeet Tally
Clem (3) - Spurs 88, kc 45, Toby 47
Toby (6)
- Zenge 64, Dubz 56, Clem 34, rae 56, genny, beans
Spurs (1) - fruit 41

10/12
Missing: QQ 19, samac 120
Final Day 4 Yeet Tally
Clem (6)
- fruit 38, beans 27, Spurs 94, apop 38, rae 41, Clem 39
apop (1) - kc 40
Spurs (1) - genny 30
Dubz (1) - samac 94
samac (1) - Dubz 65

If genny wolf (-3)

- Pushed for the countwerwagon of her.packmate (Santy) (+1)
- Was pushed but two of her teamates two days in a row (Toby and Wasp) (-2)
- Pushed for Clem (Easy missyeet/her Counterwagon before SAR/ reads? Need to check) (NA since it was her counterwagon)
- Yeeted her packmate (Toby) (one of the last few votes so it really didn't affect much nor give her cred) (-1)
- Didn't vote for Clem (need to check if for reads or to avoid hammer)

If fruit wolf (+2)
- Pushed for his teamate, making her a viable yeet option, gaining cred (-1)
- Yeeted a town and the third vote making her a viable wagon like with kitz (SAR) (+1)
- Didn't vote for his packmate (Toby) but also didn't helped him with his counterwagon (+1)
- Yeeted a second town (Clem) (+1)

If beans wolf (-1)
- Starter of.the kitz suspicions but not the kitz wagon although joined (-1)
- Yeeted a town (SAR) (+1)
- Last vote in Toby, non cred gained and kind of reluctant (-1)
- Wasn't yeet candidate at any point of the game

If dubz wolf (-1)
- Pushed a 3rd random D1 wagon, didn't help kitz but didn't yeet her either (0)
- Pushed Clem over SAR (NA since both were towns)
- Second vote over Toby, jumping quite easily on the Zenge train and not moving from there (-1)
- Didn't vote for Clem (need to check but I think it was to avoid hammer)

If apop wolf (+2)

- Pushed only for the SAR and Clem missyeets. I can attribute this to the afk of her predecesor but it's a rough spot (+2)

If samac wolf (+1)
- Pushed kitz wagon (-1);
- One of.the last votes in SAR missyeet (+1)
- Didn't joined on Toby's wagon (+1)
- Avoided hammer on D4

So anyways

Apop (+2) - fruit (+2) - Samac (+1) - dubz/beans (-1) - genny (-3)

Just regarding votes, it's not a read list but it really helped me to clear my dubz read nice

I'll go for apop, an then idk, looks like samac is over dubz/beans why :--: and genny. Fruit the only thing in favor is his plot armor (the meta read)
 
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Okay so here is where I remind myself that this post exists

And usually I would be like "wtf there's no way a wolf makes their packmates their only two reads"

But hey I don't know Wasp, and maybe this is how she likes to do things. This pack didn't exactly shy away from talking about each other, though direct interactions are interestingly a bit more sparse. Up to this point on d1 none of the known pack had said anything about QQ, despite the fact that she'd popped in. I just find that a bit odd that none of them had mentioned her - makes me lean more village on that slot.

Toby in particular made a point of talking about Wasp despite saying he was going to look into the top "consensus" scum, which Wasp was not at the time as far as I can tell (just had the one vote from samac on the board and she hadn't given a reason yet).

So like on balance I think this pack was more likely to talk about each other than to leave each other out of the conversation. I can't see them all just forgetting QQ existed up to this point.
I know theres no way you can know this before I die, but that Wasp post is extremely hillarious for.me since she just swapped our aligment with kitz. And it's quite funny
 
This reads are way to right for a D1, if anything moons is the only wrong one.

I kinda wanted to make isos but work has been a ****ing rollercoaster and I'm behind on everything so what Im gonna do is

List of why each one is town

1- Samac actively pushed in D1 and D2 for wasp, overall collaborative
2- Genny was actively pushed not only by Wasp but by Toby until the day of his death
3- Fruit doesn't buss wolfmates (meta)
4- beans sussed kitz but wasnt the first to vote her, she teased it a few times
5- Dubz, everyone says is town
6- Apop is trying with the isos but everyone is way to clean in his eyes as a town

Now onto votes




If genny wolf (-3)

- Pushed for the countwerwagon of her.packmate (Santy) (+1)
- Was pushed but two of her teamates two days in a row (Toby and Wasp) (-2)
- Pushed for Clem (Easy missyeet/her Counterwagon before SAR/ reads? Need to check) (NA since it was her counterwagon)
- Yeeted her packmate (Toby) (one of the last few votes so it really didn't affect much nor give her cred) (-1)
- Didn't vote for Clem (need to check if for reads or to avoid hammer)

If fruit wolf (+2)
- Pushed for his teamate, making her a viable yeet option, gaining cred (-1)
- Yeeted a town and the third vote making her a viable wagon like with kitz (SAR) (+1)
- Didn't vote for his packmate (Toby) but also didn't helped him with his counterwagon (+1)
- Yeeted a second town (Clem) (+1)

If beans wolf (-1)
- Starter of.the kitz suspicions but not the kitz wagon although joined (-1)
- Yeeted a town (SAR) (+1)
- Last vote in Toby, non cred gained and kind of reluctant (-1)
- Wasn't yeet candidate at any point of the game

If dubz wolf (-1)
- Pushed a 3rd random D1 wagon, didn't help kitz but didn't yeet her either (0)
- Pushed Clem over SAR (NA since both were towns)
- Second vote over Toby, jumping quite easily on the Zenge train and not moving from there (-1)
- Didn't vote for Clem (need to check but I think it was to avoid hammer)

If apop wolf (+2)

- Pushed only for the SAR and Clem missyeets. I can attribute this to the afk of her predecesor but it's a rough spot (+2)

If samac wolf (+1)
- Pushed kitz wagon (-1);
- One of.the last votes in SAR missyeet (+1)
- Didn't joined on Toby's wagon (+1)
- Avoided hammer on D4

So anyways

Apop (+2) - fruit (+2) - Samac (+1) - dubz/beans (-1) - genny (-3)

Just regarding votes, it's not a read list but it really helped me to clear my dubz read nice

I'll go for apop, a then idk, looks like samac is over dubz/beans why :--: and genny. Fruit the only thing in favor is his plot armor (the meta read)
I DONT LIKE HAMMERS SO I VOTED TOBY IN SPIRIT BUT NOT IN TALLY
 
If game still going and I’m still alive I promise to put in more effort. I just don’t know what to do at this point because I feel like wheels are spinning but all to land back on the same conclusion.
If fruit, beans or Dubz are that deep gg I guess.
 
We are 1v6 which means we still have

D5 - 1v6
D6- 1v4
D7 - 1v2

3 misslinchs available, I'm down to dying for the cause, if that gives you the best reads regarding apop/genny
 
We are 1v6 which means we still have

D5 - 1v6
D6- 1v4
D7 - 1v2

3 misslinchs available, I'm down to dying for the cause, if that gives you the best reads regarding apop/genny
Oops missyeets (?
 
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And if someone is deepwolfing in my blocc

Fruit / Samac / beans / dubz

Ill highly argue it'll be beans since their only points on favor is the kitz early vote (could've gone out of hand) and the toby vote (which th3y made.reluctanly)

I don't think is either fruit nor dubz and if samac was actively against 3 of her teammates well gg mate
 
AH AND IF ITS GENNY

I make a formal petition to join the wolfchat I'm way to interested smnskskslsms
 
This game is so weird why are we all AGREEING WITH EACHOTHER
Yeah…. Wheels spinning and everything ended the same. I’ve only experienced this when it’s locked that I can remember but heh
 
Not sure the last hour of d1 is actually all that helpful since QQ and genny were not around and KC was already on kitz at that point but here are some thoughts.

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 26, rae 33, Zenge 50
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 23
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 68, Spurs 108
Dubz (1) - toberto 33
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (1) - Santy 70
kitz (3) - Kcalb 39, beans 38, moon 44

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~28 minutes

I can join you. Can you refresh my memory why not beans?

Unyeet @beans2020
Yeet @SARdoghandler

@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

@Santygrass where is the Clem wagon???

Ty moon for the updated votes. Just earned you some village cred Unyeet moon @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

We are all…very spread. I’m getting war flashbacks

Santy has been a bit pushy for my nerves so I’m going to hop on that wagon though I was ruminating on Clem while swimming as well yeet santy @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

Apparently champs is the stakes I needed to unlock kitz effort mode why am I sitting in the parking lot typing lmao
Kitz's awkward should have been self pres but tried to justify it post - contextually it was Santy: 4, Moon: 2, SAR: 2, kitz: 3 and a few others at 1 vote when she made this swap

VOTE BETWEEN CLEM OR SAR . I WILL NOT BE VOTING ANYONE ELSE
So at this point in my mind wolves should be like yay, it's Santy, Clem, or SAR today

I HARDCLAIM TOWN PR

VOTE BETWEEN CLEM OR SAR . I WILL NOT BE VOTING ANYONE ELSE


MAYBE KITZ I see them as potential but would rather yeet clem before them since I see them more paired
Of course Santy did say maybe still kitz.

And I can move back

Unyeet kitz
Yeet SAR

This place moves fast, in a good way! I'm very sorry for being slower! Following along on this conversation Santy is reading Townie to me after the last page and change of talk about SAR. Personally I agree the makes sense and I will

Yeet SAR
Wasp does the thing that makes sense, avoids the contentious Santy wagon and votes for SAR, which puts SAR up to 4, and now kitz is down to 2 votes, I think Santy was still at 4 but can't quite remember if SAR had left the vote yet or not

HOWEVER TOBY
I don't like this

it just looks clear that you want to swap to Santy so you give a weak reasoning to unvote moon and you hop on Santy... when you are four pages behind and haven't got context

you could have just said self pres
First to throw shade at kitz for her reasoning to vote Santy. Bringing her back to the forefront again when she might have been safe otherwise. On the surface, this is not really helpful for current solving, but I am thinking through whether it makes sense for toby to put kitz in even more danger when kcalb was already voting there. To me it almost makes more sense for him to have done this because other villagers were on her case. If kcalb is a wolf then toby knows it's really only moon and beans authentically sussing kitz, and moon has just moved to SAR, so really it's just beans. If kcalb is village, toby might be thinking the writing is on the wall, things might swing towards kitz again anyway, and he might be thinking about going for the bus (note he didn't actually vote there until later so definitely could have been testing the waters a bit).

unyeet moons
yeet kitz

@Animal Midwife
Fruit then moves to kitz and toby continues to talk about kitz as a possibility but is holding out on voting
I'd vote personally vote between Wildzoo, Sars, or Klitz

let me look at Clem because I have no opinion on that slot
 
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