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LetItSnow said:
Hehe.

Sorry! 🙂 I mean, it isn't anything personal. Nothing ever is. I just think I want you lynched.

I've actually been pretty ok with the other lynches. And I'm certainly ok with an allieh or Cyndia lynch. And it's getting time to lynch STL just out of caution.

But for now.... I'm ok with my vote.
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I am getting to the point where I feel like everyone is writing off ceke and crayola as villager because they are so far out there with their theories. I am now trying to pay more attention to their posts to see if I can suss out any good village/wolf feelings among their novels.
 
allieh8607 said:
Ceke is also tequila, we've known that for a long time, so for you to be using that as a reason to lynch me is weird
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So knowing that allie is a wolf, do I put any importance on this post of hers regarding ceke... trying to decide if this should make ceke lean more village to me or not. Anyone else have any input?
 
PrincessButterCup said:
It's interesting that the feels for 3M dissipated so quickly after Kam's tie yesterday. She won lynch (by # players, not by # votes) but there's been little discussion of her today. There are definitely other sketchy players right now, it's just surprising and unsettling how it feels like 3M's skating by.
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Interesting that PBC posted this during the allie lynch... She'd have to be a convert, so not sure if we want to open that can of worms or not, but this was just standing out in reading back through and didn't want it to get lost.
 
Crayola227 said:
Reads
Not much experience with, few reads on
2. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
18. @raf2769
24. @mmmdreamerz

9. @Ceke2002 - Reads like herself. Don't remember if she rode the wolf bandwagons or drove them. I think LIS implied she drove the Allieh one. However, I wonder if LIS riding Ceke everyday is because he is a wolf riding an easy lynch, or they are a pair of wolves working together.

1. @LetItSnow - mentioned in a past post that I had village lean on him, but I also felt like he and DVMD could be in cahoots.
7. @DVMDream - feels off. Less substance. On the same side as LIS, whatever that is
8. @SkiOtter - now a prime conversion target. However, I felt Skiotter, LIS, and DVMD's posts and likes were all of the same mind. That could make me lean village on LIS and DVMD.... but they could easily blend in with village. Confirms in my mind that LIS and DVMD are in cahoots.

6. @Kam325 - Sneaky. Despite the fact that I don't find the tie thing to be compelling, I've had bad feelz on her from the start. Seems she only participated to defend. However, I'm buying into her theory that she was set up to look sketch.

21. @LadyOtheFarm - too quiet for the early village lean feelz to stay. I know she's busy, but that doesn't mean anything.

5. @PrincessButterCup - Always suspicious of a rez. Doesn't matter STL was village, she would be WIFOM type wolf convert choice. Got burned 2 games ago where we trusted the rez.

14. @WildZoo - with STL's death, why has suspicion faded here, besides the night cancel ability? Because we're focusing on Cyndia??

15. @Cyndia - she's contributing posts of substance now, but I honestly don't follow, just cuz I don't.
22. @britzen - besides Ceke, someone thought Britzen's logic was the same as theirs when they wolf.
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I always like being in cahoots with LIS.... especially when I am unaware I am in cahoots with him.

@LetItSnow we need to go break some things or something... because I am not feeling like we have been cahooty enough.
 
Ceke2002 said:
Nope, definitely a villager. LIS's line about there being a definite vanillager after I'd outed your role just sounded off to me, like was he subtly claiming a power role, claiming he was the Vanillager, or does he know because wolves know.

My top 2 feels at the moment are Britzen and LIS. WZ is on my middling list because of night cancel followed by two deaths, but I'd have to go back and re-read to see if I have that right. I have no reason to think you're a wolf, because you seem to be playing the same as I remember seeing you play in some of the lounge games I watched, and you're style is very villager Crayola.
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Why would the kills the next night have anything to do with the night cancel the previous night?
 
Ceke2002 said:
Britzen and Allieh were two who were on the Cyndia lynch vote yesterday. Britzen didn't move off onto the Allieh wolf vote even though as far as I'm aware they were around enough times to do so.

Also interesting that since WZ was forced to reveal her ability we've had two double night kills in a row. With Cyndia and STL both flipping villager its piqueing my wolf feels.
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Britz did move onto allieh, just later on. Easy stuff to confirm or not.



I don't think WZ having to reveal her ability has anything to do with night kills after. Night cancel is usually a one time thing. It happens and that is it. It isn't like it impacts the following nights beyond that one night.
 
LetItSnow said:
Ok, I'm about to spam. Including posts from Kam. I know Kam is dead. Still going to respond.



After more consideration, not as much all over allieh as I thought. So still on my wolf list.
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Still on my list too.


LetItSnow said:
Uh huh. I feel like half the time the people who take the time to celebrate that much are forcing it.
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Agreed.



LetItSnow said:
I would never, ever do that.
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What was this in response to? I can't recall now. Anyway, I don't put anything past you. 😉


LetItSnow said:
WHAT? Wow. This is sketchy as hell. What in the WORLD would make you think that? DVMD has hardly participated! How on earth could you come to that conclusion?

That's ... just .... bizarre. I mean, I could see "LIS and WZ" are in cahoots or something. Or hell, even "LIS and Ceke". But "LIS and DVMD"? That's just ... I can't decide if that's sketchy or just more Cray cray.
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Hey... I have not "hardly participated" I have just been sporadic. 8% of the game are posts made by me... you have actually the exact same number of posts I do or 8% of the game is you posting. (I almost feel sorry for the other players having 16% of the posts being you and me).

The rest though, I agree with, we haven't really been interacting much so not sure how we are "in cahoots". Kind of comical.





LetItSnow said:
haven't gotten any feels off Fern, but for exactly that reason I could vote Fern. Or LotF, who has utterly vanished.

Probably I'd vote LotF. There are certain people I never want to lose to by letting them fly under the radar, and she's one. But just watch - as soon as she accumulates a few votes, she'll mysteriously show up talking about how busy she's been with her kids or goats or whatever, throw a few hand-waving reads, and then vanish again.
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I have some feels about Fern after reading through this past lynch. She only voted for allie once the lynch train was really rolling on. And LoTF is always an odd mystery to me... she is here and then gone. I could vote that way simply to eliminate that question of absent wolf or absent villager, but would hope mods would mod-kill if she is really going to be inactive and not participate or see if there is a way to replace her.



LetItSnow said:
Awwwww. WZ, I really thought you were villager. This really throws water on that. Have you been slinking it wolf-style the whole time? 🙁

But seriously, you're either a wolf or being suddenly dumb. If wolf, ok, fine. But if you're a villager - do you REALLY think I'd kill kam as a wolf when kam has come out hard against me in the last day or two? Sure, it's WIFOM, but *c'mon*.....
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Oh, so much WIFOM. And, actually, yeah, you could/would do that for this exact reason, no one would expect it. I less think you are wolf because of allie's 3 times tracking you. Could she have made those up? Sure. But not convinced she would have as that sounded more like trying to get credit for being a tracker and having that ability pull her out of the lynch. Basically, if she really made up those 3 nights of tracking you, then I would be ok actually losing to that.
 
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The Dead's Unofficial Lynch Tally

britzen (1) - Ceke
LOTF (3) - raf, WZ, Ski
LIS () -
Ceke (1) - LIS

5/12
lynch close in ~ 7 hours
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Reading back...

Having feels on Ceke, BBC, LoTF (simply because nothing to read/evaluate), PBC

Crayola gets her own spot here inbetween wolf and middle because I just really do not know what to think of her reads/posts at this time. (Feel special, cray)

Middle ground- britz, raf, 3m- with britz leaning a bit towards wolf here

More village lean- LIS, WZ, ski

I want to keep @SkiOtter talking, I could have easily not been paying attention but don't recall seeing as many posts from her since she revealed her innocent child thing so want to make sure she doesn't fade into the shadows.
 
Gooood we're just about the leave for Melbourne morning. 😀 Yeah I'm not quite that chipper. :yeahright:

If you guys want an easy lynch, seriously I don't mind at this stage if you want to crack this little egg. No that's not reverse, inverse, multiverse, whatever-verse psychology, I'm just going to be pretty flat chat the next couple of days and it's 50/50 that I'll even be able to sign in. I helped throw suspicion on a wolf (despite waffling), I helped catch chaos and neutral, and I've helped vote a wolf out of the game, at this stage I'm overall happy with my game experience.

Up to you guys, I'm just saying I'm cool if the lynch swings my way.

Wish me safe travels? 🙂
 
DVMDream said:
Not sure. And if they were do you want that person revealing who they are?
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I don't know why one person would have this knowledge, unless they had the power to decide in the event of a tie.

Just seemed like assumptions were being made that could very well not be correct. If someone has reasons to believe they are, I missed them on the thread.
 
I am comfortable with the LoTF vote, but I also am starting to get tinglers about LIS just because he has been ringing village so strongly the entire game (and last time this happened he was howling).

One thing that has really stuck out though is the fact that usually he will jump all over inactive players. "Just because your busy doesn't mean you're not a wolf", and he seems to have mostly ignored or been gentle on LoTF in that regard. I may have just missed it, but the first time I remember him commenting on it was up above. If LotF is a wolf this would get a little more sketchy.

I can't remember what exactly Allie's exact night results were for him, but I can see that as both a) offering excellent cover for a wolf once she realized she was going down and b) fudging her results. She would have already known LIS's role so making up some results is not difficult, and would then play oh so handily into supporting his vanillager role claim.

Will go through and look at his interactions with Allie on the thread before lynch close tonight to see if that sheds any light.

**Notes to myself to do later:
-Look at LoTF and LIS on the vote trackers to see voting record
-Check for thread interactions between Allie/Genny and LIS/LoTF
 
TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo said:
I am comfortable with the LoTF vote, but I also am starting to get tinglers about LIS just because he has been ringing village so strongly the entire game (and last time this happened he was howling).

One thing that has really stuck out though is the fact that usually he will jump all over inactive players. "Just because your busy doesn't mean you're not a wolf", and he seems to have mostly ignored or been gentle on LoTF in that regard. I may have just missed it, but the first time I remember him commenting on it was up above. If LotF is a wolf this would get a little more sketchy.

I can't remember what exactly Allie's exact night results were for him, but I can see that as both a) offering excellent cover for a wolf once she realized she was going down and b) fudging her results. She would have already known LIS's role so making up some results is not difficult, and would then play oh so handily into supporting his vanillager role claim.

Will go through and look at his interactions with Allie on the thread before lynch close tonight to see if that sheds any light.

**Notes to myself to do later:
-Look at LoTF and LIS on the vote trackers to see voting record
-Check for thread interactions between Allie/Genny and LIS/LoTF
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Translation: I want to roll out some suspicions and see if I can get some momentum going that way, but I'm not going to commit to it unless I see other people jumping on it. This post was sketchy as hell. I'll comment more if were quiets down tonight, but this post threw Fern wolf to me.
 
LetItSnow said:
Translation: I want to roll out some suspicions and see if I can get some momentum going that way, but I'm not going to commit to it unless I see other people jumping on it. This post was sketchy as hell. I'll comment more if were quiets down tonight, but this post threw Fern wolf to me.
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Nah just indecisive and trying to see if anyone sees what I saw in that direction. I don't completely trust my reads, especially in respect to you.
 
Even if lotf is a wolf there's certainly another one out there and they're probably the one actually running things since I doubt she would be ghosting the thread entirely if she was checking in on wolf chat.

So who makes most sense as lotf wolf partner?
Inb4 LIS says Ceke 😉
 
can we all discuss ceke's ability of posting gifs in the writeup? seems like a lame wolf ability, which is honestly the biggest reason I have not to vote for her. But I agree that her posts telling us to lynch her are starting to be weird to me, plus all of the other weird things through the game.
 
but I feel like a wolf would have held onto the fact that she has that ability, and potentially try to get us to listen to them and lead us in the wrong direction (not that many of us would listen to anonymous messages, but still)
 
raf2769 said:
but I feel like a wolf would have held onto the fact that she has that ability, and potentially try to get us to listen to them and lead us in the wrong direction (not that many of us would listen to anonymous messages, but still)
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But she has tried to get us to listen to them. And has even tried the "well, if someone has info and they could get that to me, then I could put it in my posts via the mods"...


I could see that ability, if used the right way, being of benefit to a wolf pack. I could also see it being a completely just random/fun village ability too, so it could go either way in my opinion.
 
yeah I can see both ways too. I'm thinking it might be time to actually crack the egg.
I'm super torn.
 
Eh. There's probably only two wolves left. If lotf is one she's not around, and the other isn't gonna come rushing to her defense or anything.

Also half the people haven't checked in today and most if not all of those are gonna be villagers so I don't think the silence is any indication of whether or not it's a good lynch.
 
I'm feeling LOTF and ceke. but I feel like my journey into paranoia land has already begun...
 
raf2769 said:
WZ, what are your thoughts on BBC?
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I can't let go of my early read but there's a decent amount of evidence to say that she's probably village, just based on her actions. She stays in my neutral pile for now. If I'm wrong on lotf and Cray (and I live long enough) she's high on the list of people I'd vote for next.
 
WildZoo said:
I can't let go of my early read but there's a decent amount of evidence to say that she's probably village, just based on her actions. She stays in my neutral pile for now. If I'm wrong on lotf and Cray (and I live long enough) she's high on the list of people I'd vote for next.
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I have BBC up there higher just due to her posts during the allie lynch, they seemed off to me.

But I could go along with BBC, LoTF, Ceke, cray or britz... yup that list is long.

I will leave PBC lower just because I am not ready to hit that level of paranoia yet.
 
I am in the same place with LOTF, cray, ceke, and BBC.
I think I'm sticking with the LOTF lynch and seeing where that gets us.
 
There are some things about BBC that have really put her in my village column (like her knowing that Trilt didn't like that tequila and helping us seal the lynch on Allie with that info), but she still is just making me wonder at this point. Ceke has contributed a lot and we know her role. If she's wolf she's done a good job repeatedly getting us off her case. I feel like she's been a topic of discussion so many times. I feel like cray was excessively talkative in the beginning but has lessened as the game has progressed. I'm not sure how to feel about that. Loft is just kind of a mystery to me.

I still have Britten leaning village at the moment based on what I know about her.

Everyone else is less of a question mark right now.
 
LIS, Dubz, and DVMD all seem so absurdly village that I'm worried I'm trusting them too much. I have BBC as very village, as well.

Ceke has had at least one "that was a strange comment" every day. I'm not sold on her, but I also wasn't sold on Allieh, so that means nothing. Her ability gives me pause - she outed it after her first use, right? That seems like a stupid thing for a wolf to do, though I do buy that it's possible a wolf would have that ability (this is a Trout game).

Lynch Ceke
 
After a few days of distraction, back to egg cracking.

Lynch ceke

Everything I have said before, plus, added from today: The need to state "I'm a villager" over and over again, the need to scream about just how excited!!!! she was to lynch a wolf, openly saying that she changed her play style because it was attracting too much attention to her, continuing to take lots of credit for outing wolves/neutral/chaos even though she throws suspicion at tons of people every day (including like, 1/3 of the remaining players in the last 12 hours), and the "meh, go ahead and lynch" me attitude that followed (seems like it's maybe a ploy to get people to lay off a few days while she's out of town, conveniently letting her glide through most of the remaining game).

Ceke2002 said:
Nope, definitely a villager.
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Ceke2002 said:
YES! Got a wolf! 😀
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Ceke2002 said:
I was the second vote on the list. I haven't been revealing my wolf feels quite as much lately because they just always seem to end up making me look sketchy, but re-reading through Allie's posts I thought she seemed pretty wolfish. The tracking reveal sealed it for me.
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Ceke2002 said:
If you guys want an easy lynch, seriously I don't mind at this stage if you want to crack this little egg. No that's not reverse, inverse, multiverse, whatever-verse psychology, I'm just going to be pretty flat chat the next couple of days and it's 50/50 that I'll even be able to sign in. I helped throw suspicion on a wolf (despite waffling), I helped catch chaos and neutral, and I've helped vote a wolf out of the game, at this stage I'm overall happy with my game experience.

Up to you guys, I'm just saying I'm cool if the lynch swings my way.
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mmmdreamerz said:
There are some things about BBC that have really put her in my village column (like her knowing that Trilt didn't like that tequila and helping us seal the lynch on Allie with that info), .
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But she didn't mention this until after allie was really going down on the lynch train. And a post from her previously during that lynch was kind of in allie's favor.
 
DVMDream said:
But she didn't mention this until after allie was really going down on the lynch train. And a post from her previously during that lynch was kind of in allie's favor.
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I totally agree. It did come off sketch. I just feel like I have conflicting information about her.
 
DVMDream said:
But she didn't mention this until after allie was really going down on the lynch train. And a post from her previously during that lynch was kind of in allie's favor.
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Yup that's why I hesitated on giving her too many points for it yesterday. Because initially when Allie posted her tracking stuff she was like "well I'll keep my vote where it is" (on 3m I think) and it wasn't until other people were grilling allie and switching their votes over that she joined in. So the action looks very village but the timing...eh.
 
DVMDream said:
So you picked Cyndia out of the WZ/Cyndia/STL group because she was the only non-cleared one? When was WZ actually cleared? Are you talking about her using the night cancel?
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She wasn't, I just felt like her ability put her more on the village side of things than Cyndia.
 
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