Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

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Santy isn't an actual wolf read right now, but I'm keeping the option open because I think there's a wolf between you and santy given how last night went down and I need to spend more time contemplating which one I think it is. At this point more than half the thread is unread by me so I'm missing a lot of context and I don't have any quotes to pull from santy that make me feel bad, but I'm going to keep my eyes open as I read.

The last sentence in the above paragraph also applies to nate but nate is further down than santy

I might be losing interest in the True yeet for now but he's still in the red tinted questionables category

I'm not convinced clem is a wolf after what went down last night (for reasons I put in my assorted thoughts before I went to bed last night) but I don't have any real reason to village read him either so he's in neutral below AM. Not interested in his yeet right now
when you say how last night went down, you mean the last minute wagon on genny, correct?

you're giving me a lot of the how you feel about players but i'm more interested in the why. it's fine if you don't necessarily have answers right away because your feelings are unclear and you want to reread/find quotes but i'd like a little elaboration on the ideas.

like, what has you suspicious of nate?
 
Haven't had time to sit with the vote movement off of Nate and onto Clem, then genny. Not comfortable with the genny pile-on, but samac was V and I still think you're V, which means it could have been a real village-driven mistake instead of something the pack orchestrated. And she was in the bottom part of my reads, so I can't even say that I fully disagreed with the decision, beyond her being a frequent D1 yeet target and me not liking that.

I still don't feel great about Clem, and didn't like the purely self-defensive votes with an hour to go before yeet close. I hope he'll give us a clear vote with rationale earlier this day cycle. The last minute shuffle wasn't necessarily to protect him, but it certainly ended up having that effect.

April is feeling okay but I don't quite know why she's at the top of some reads.

I strongly believe PSV and AM are village.

Was feeling some doubt around Sporty today but I really liked what I saw from her around yeet close, and I don't understand why a wolf would go out of her way to ISO my older games and then say they make her feel better. Feels like it would have been very easy for wolf!Sporty to say "went back and read Assassination Classroom and he feels just like that, yeet true".

I suspect my vote today will be in the pool of Clem, Empire, and perhaps Nate.


100% endorse this, it's not even wolf theater, if she thinks you're being dumb she'll hammer you regardless of alignment 😀
....I made a clear vote very early yesterday? Lol? You're acting like my only vote the entire day was for self prez, and like self prez is bad, and neither of those things are true
 
Vote: nate

will reassess with full claim otherwise parking here lol
 
....I made a clear vote very early yesterday? Lol? You're acting like my only vote the entire day was for self prez, and like self prez is bad, and neither of those things are true
You self-prezzed quite early after coming back from a lot of radio silence, and then in the time leading up to vote close you were not being particularly cooperative or helpful.
 
I am given pause about Nate. I think that catchup post is at least good enough that I’m not going to sit silently on this wagon without reconsidering. I do need Nate to complete his catchup quickly, because time is limited this phase. @NateTheLesser

If I don’t vote Nate, the first names in my head right now are Clem and genny as alternates.
Hmmm

I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of your focus on these three people, though the willingness to switch off of Nate is interesting at least

What are your opinions on Nate and Clem right now?
 
You self-prezzed quite early after coming back from a lot of radio silence, and then in the time leading up to vote close you were not being particularly cooperative or helpful.
There was like an hour to eod and I wasn't sure of my availability, that isn't very early lol
 
Nate should still claim to be clear, but it isn't as automatic as it might otherwise be
 
Hmmm

I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of your focus on these three people, though the willingness to switch off of Nate is interesting at least

What are your opinions on Nate and Clem right now?
Clem I had concrete suspicion of. genny was pretty null and I had some vague gut concerns. I was trying to sort things out, and frankly I wasn't very sure.

I don't think Clem is mafia now. He's wrong and that'll just have to annoy me for the time being, but I don't think he's mafia. I view Nate as a suspect.
 
This list feels pretty okay actually, I don't agree with AM's position here but I understand where that would come from for someone who hasn't played with her before

What made you put PSV higher than Samac?

What does your reads list look like now?
I think I was keeping Samac in neutral at that point in reaction to the paranoia from ppl that have played with her about how good her wolf game is.
 
Normally this woild be correct but given samac flip its entirely possible they died due to their role rather than being nked
I do not think she used her role. She likes playing and the way it's phrased sounds like she would have basically traded her "Alive" status to a dead player, which didn't happen.

I might be misinterpreting how the mods described the role, of course. But it seems like she was the NK.
 
@Santygrass - in case you missed it because of the forum, i would like some words on why you believe nate to be a wolf
PoE is biggest factor. Thats why I said until reeval. But like, I got some villa pings from True too in EoD. But not so much from them.

Until reeval its cause I want to kinda rework on reads on slots and maybe shift a bit, but idt I should be doing today cuz I need to study wowee
 
I think we'll know soon enough if samac used her role. The only dead target was genny, so if genny starts talking then there you go. It looks like samac could also target living players, which might mean they can be become stump-esque and talk after they die (to be determined later).
 
I think I have a very clear view of the game if Nate is mafia. It'd be this:

AM
Empire
Santy
Sporty
Clem

April
PSV

Truenamer
Nate

If Nate is NOT mafia, then I am currently clueless and still working it out.
 
I think we'll know soon enough if samac used her role. The only dead target was genny, so if genny starts talking then there you go. It looks like samac could also target living players, which might mean they can be become stump-esque and talk after they die (to be determined later).
I read it as more of a doc type role
 
I think I have a very clear view of the game if Nate is mafia. It'd be this:

AM
Empire
Santy
Sporty
Clem

April
PSV

Truenamer
Nate

If Nate is NOT mafia, then I am currently clueless and still working it out.
Do you see me as paired with Nate?

I will recommend you brainstorm alternative pairs.
 
I think I have a very clear view of the game if Nate is mafia. It'd be this:

AM
Empire
Santy
Sporty
Clem

April
PSV

Truenamer
Nate

If Nate is NOT mafia, then I am currently clueless and still working it out.
Also very curious as to why Empire is this high, I don't have a good feel for him.
 
Also very curious as to why Empire is this high, I don't have a good feel for him.
That's exclusively a list for Nate is mafia universes, and if that's the case I don't think Empire fits with him. Nate's treatment of him is not the stuff of teammates in my view.
 
Do you see me as paired with Nate?

I will recommend you brainstorm alternative pairs.
Yes, I think you two fit together very cleanly. Again, that's only meaningful if Nate is mafia per the list, but I think you do. There are a number of micro-moments that point that way (e.g., in the GTH reads you had the exact same reads except for your reads on each other, and when you town read Nate in that exercise it came with a hedge).
 
I find myself wondering if Nate killed samac, and the mafia team has reason to believe there's a tracker (maybe they have a ninja on the team), so they agreed to have Nate jump right out and claim the visit to get in front of it.
 
Yes, I think you two fit together very cleanly. Again, that's only meaningful if Nate is mafia per the list, but I think you do. There are a number of micro-moments that point that way (e.g., in the GTH reads you had the exact same reads except for your reads on each other, and when you town read Nate in that exercise it came with a hedge).
Hm. But he was happy to wolfread me, and I (think?) voted for me at some point yesterday.

How willing is he to throw heavy mud on D1?
 
I find myself wondering if Nate killed samac, and the mafia team has reason to believe there's a tracker (maybe they have a ninja on the team), so they agreed to have Nate jump right out and claim the visit to get in front of it.
If they have a ninja, I'm not sure why they wouldn't go ahead and have the ninja do the N1 kill.

Unless the ninja had a different PR they wanted to use? But this is getting unhelpfully speculative.
 
I suspect my vote today will be in the pool of Clem, Empire, and perhaps Nate.
I haven't invoked player salad in a while since it's pretty much dead on The Syndicate, but I doubt anyone has brought it here. So. Player salad!

The Syndicate champion Sloonei long ago said:
How to Make Player Salad: A Guide

Player Salad is the signature dish of The Syndicate. Those of you who have been following this tournament closely may have seen one of our head chefs, JaggedJimmyJay, teach the recipe to his fellow townies in Game 6. Player Salad is a dish which can sometimes confound people, but it's really quite simple. The basic recipe is this: "I could lynch Player X, Y, or Z. Maybe W." I am not one to rigorously argue for "mafia tells", but for whatever reason this one has an unusually high success rate. I suppose the above-mentioned configuration suggests that the player lacks conviction, and simultaneously feels a need to compensate for that lack of conviction by lumping several players together in an indistinguishable blend of suspicion: A salad, if you will.
 
Hm. But he was happy to wolfread me, and I (think?) voted for me at some point yesterday.

How willing is he to throw heavy mud on D1?
Never seen him as mafia, so I couldn't say. As town he seemed reasonably reserved.
 
gg samac

*I visited samac last night*

Claiming this up front in case there are any trackers/watchers that think they saw something spicy. (If there is a tracker/watcher I would expect they're likely town, and I wouldn't want them to out what might seem like a possible red check on me just to then get me AND themselves killed since they'd have a more helpful power than mine)
What'd you do?
 
Basically in the shoes of a W!Sporty , I think that they would kill JJJ , me.or another weird kill before Samac, cuz Samac was putting like genuine trust there I feel.
Why would you be a weird kill? I feel like most are village reading you.
 
I haven't invoked player salad in a while since it's pretty much dead on The Syndicate, but I doubt anyone has brought it here. So. Player salad!

Well, after this game you'll have a counterexample. I lack conviction due to having no idea who to yeet. Wolf games are much easier on me.
 
If they have a ninja, I'm not sure why they wouldn't go ahead and have the ninja do the N1 kill.

Unless the ninja had a different PR they wanted to use? But this is getting unhelpfully speculative.
depends heavily on setup design meta here which i'm in no position to comment on
 
i don't see nate making a claim like that as mafia

possible he's an extremely bold/ambitious wolf but most aren't the sort to do make a claim right off the bat without receiving significant pressure (yes am aware there were votes on him but not like there was implied mech etc)

i have vague memories of one of the people from his homesite stoking paranoia about him in MU spec chat but it didn't include actual details of his wolf playstyle so my thought is to say, okay, fine
I've seen many wolves get ahead of the kill on SDN so I'm not going to clear him just for being forthcoming.
 
i'm unhappy with santy's fallback on "poe" as justification for his nate vote. in my experience he has no trouble articulating his wolf reads as a villager. probably need to dig deeper there when i'm not at work.
 
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