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Zenge142 said:
N1 Results

Place holder until I can properly write this up later today.

Dead is
Samac, who was
Henry Hamilton - Village - Time Donator who could donate her time to extend the life of other players living or dead, past their own expiration date, at the expense of her own life.

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 9:00pm Central Friday 9/30.​
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This sucks, she just got NK'd on N1 of last game.

And her PR sounds extremely weird and cool.
 
kind of unhappy with my play last phase so will be taking a fairly different approach
 
Making note of peak wagons for my own reference

Peak Truenamer wagons [4 each]:
PSV
samac
Nate
Sporty

samac
Sporty
Santy
Clem

Peak Nate wagon [5]:
Empire
JJJ
AM
Santy
Truenamer

Peak Empire wagon [3]:
samac
April
PSV

Peak genny wagon [5]:
Santy
Empire
Clem
samac
JJJ
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I agree.

But why do you feel that way?
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There's been absolutely nothing from AM that's outside of her village meta. Lots of other people sketchier than her right now. I have exactly zero reasons to yeet her except for my historal liking for yeeting her
 
@NateTheLesser now that you've had a chance to settle in a little bit, get current with the game, and experience some of its turbulence live, I'd be interested to know what you think of the gamestate in general and of any reads you feel are most significant.
 
Empire said:
go on
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Nate, true, clem, you, and santy are all below her in my mental reads list right now. Not in any particular order and I don't necessarily have wolf reads on all these. And there might be some like sporty that I put in the same category as AM
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
When reviewing the thread in proper order, these were the dissociations I came up with (i.e., not mafia teammates):

Nate/AM
Truenamer/AM
April/Santy
April/Truenamer
Empire/PSV
Emire/samac
samac/Truenamer

I'd like to continue to build from this set, and I'll take the ones others have proposed into consideration. Thanks to those who've contributed already. The best value of these isn't even to figure out the mafia team, in my opinion -- instead, it's to identify players that fit with too few others and clear them.
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Who else would you think is compatible with Empire besides PSV?
(I'd go through this mental exercise myself but I am now 19 pages behind 😡 missing lots of context)
 
Oh that was a list of incompatibility not compatibility

My question on who you think Empire is compatible with still stands
 
Aprilthearab said:
Nate, true, clem, you, and santy are all below her in my mental reads list right now. Not in any particular order and I don't necessarily have wolf reads on all these. And there might be some like sporty that I put in the same category as AM
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right, i expected myself to be there but the names themselves aren't as important to me as the why. why those people? santy in particular i want to hear about. (i think i have some sense of why you think i'm wolfy so more interested in hearing about the other names, and also because i don't want to debate my alignment with you for hours)
 
@Truenamer where are your reads currently at? I don't need a whole list (if you want to provide one, by all means), but I'm curious of your overall developing views.
 
Empire said:
right, i expected myself to be there but the names themselves aren't as important to me as the why. why those people? santy in particular i want to hear about. (i think i have some sense of why you think i'm wolfy so more interested in hearing about the other names, and also because i don't want to debate my alignment with you for hours)
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Santy isn't an actual wolf read right now, but I'm keeping the option open because I think there's a wolf between you and santy given how last night went down and I need to spend more time contemplating which one I think it is. At this point more than half the thread is unread by me so I'm missing a lot of context and I don't have any quotes to pull from santy that make me feel bad, but I'm going to keep my eyes open as I read.

The last sentence in the above paragraph also applies to nate but nate is further down than santy

I might be losing interest in the True yeet for now but he's still in the red tinted questionables category

I'm not convinced clem is a wolf after what went down last night (for reasons I put in my assorted thoughts before I went to bed last night) but I don't have any real reason to village read him either so he's in neutral below AM. Not interested in his yeet right now
 
gg samac

*I visited samac last night*

Claiming this up front in case there are any trackers/watchers that think they saw something spicy. (If there is a tracker/watcher I would expect they're likely town, and I wouldn't want them to out what might seem like a possible red check on me just to then get me AND themselves killed since they'd have a more helpful power than mine)
 
NateTheLesser said:
gg samac

*I visited samac last night*

Claiming this up front in case there are any trackers/watchers that think they saw something spicy. (If there is a tracker/watcher I would expect they're likely town, and I wouldn't want them to out what might seem like a possible red check on me just to then get me AND themselves killed since they'd have a more helpful power than mine)
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I'm not sure how I feel about this
 
Some spice for your morning while I eat breakfast 😀

I quickly skimmed since SOD, going to actually read now.
 
Santygrass said:
Basically in the shoes of a W!Sporty , I think that they would kill JJJ , me.or another weird kill before Samac, cuz Samac was putting like genuine trust there I feel.
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Not sure I'd put it outside of wolf sporty range though because her packmate(s) could have thought Samac was a good idea

I still think sporty is village though
 
NateTheLesser said:
gg samac

*I visited samac last night*

Claiming this up front in case there are any trackers/watchers that think they saw something spicy. (If there is a tracker/watcher I would expect they're likely town, and I wouldn't want them to out what might seem like a possible red check on me just to then get me AND themselves killed since they'd have a more helpful power than mine)
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Are you interested in saying what you did?
 
Aprilthearab said:
Not sure I'd put it outside of wolf sporty range though because her packmate(s) could have thought Samac was a good idea

I still think sporty is village though
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Yeah , I dont think its hard clearing. But that + My thought that their EoD was fairly villagery makes me feel bettwr about that slot
 
Santygrass said:
Yeah, I dont think AM questions the townread that True gave ln her that way if they are W/W tbh
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AM does not bus but she IS willing to ask potentially pressing questions of packmates. She did it with samac in ggoats. Not "I think this person is wolfy" but she will do a lot of "Why? Explain?" especially if she thinks a packmate made a poor decision on thread
I think AM is village regardless but I don't want this to be the reason for that read
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
@Truenamer where are your reads currently at? I don't need a whole list (if you want to provide one, by all means), but I'm curious of your overall developing views.
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Haven't had time to sit with the vote movement off of Nate and onto Clem, then genny. Not comfortable with the genny pile-on, but samac was V and I still think you're V, which means it could have been a real village-driven mistake instead of something the pack orchestrated. And she was in the bottom part of my reads, so I can't even say that I fully disagreed with the decision, beyond her being a frequent D1 yeet target and me not liking that.

I still don't feel great about Clem, and didn't like the purely self-defensive votes with an hour to go before yeet close. I hope he'll give us a clear vote with rationale earlier this day cycle. The last minute shuffle wasn't necessarily to protect him, but it certainly ended up having that effect.

April is feeling okay but I don't quite know why she's at the top of some reads.

I strongly believe PSV and AM are village.

Was feeling some doubt around Sporty today but I really liked what I saw from her around yeet close, and I don't understand why a wolf would go out of her way to ISO my older games and then say they make her feel better. Feels like it would have been very easy for wolf!Sporty to say "went back and read Assassination Classroom and he feels just like that, yeet true".

I suspect my vote today will be in the pool of Clem, Empire, and perhaps Nate.

Aprilthearab said:
AM does not bus but she IS willing to ask potentially pressing questions of packmates. She did it with samac in ggoats. Not "I think this person is wolfy" but she will do a lot of "Why? Explain?" especially if she thinks a packmate made a poor decision on thread
I think AM is village regardless but I don't want this to be the reason for that read
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100% endorse this, it's not even wolf theater, if she thinks you're being dumb she'll hammer you regardless of alignment 😀
 
People who have meta, can you direct me at stuff that you think never comes from W!AM . Cuz I feel that people whonknow her feel way better about them than what I do
 
i don't see nate making a claim like that as mafia

possible he's an extremely bold/ambitious wolf but most aren't the sort to do make a claim right off the bat without receiving significant pressure (yes am aware there were votes on him but not like there was implied mech etc)

i have vague memories of one of the people from his homesite stoking paranoia about him in MU spec chat but it didn't include actual details of his wolf playstyle so my thought is to say, okay, fine
 
NateTheLesser said:
JJJ is my top town read, and I don't really understand Clem's scum read there. Tinfoil from the people here who are unfamiliar with Jay I would understand since he's new to them and stepping into a town leader role. I've only had one game with him but to me his enthusiasm seems genuine rather than just going through the motions of projecting "town leader Jay". What's looked best on a full read has been that any time there was a thread that I noted as worth pulling, Jay was there pulling it shortly after. An example of this is p#144 where he's tagging Empire to make sure a question from AM gets answered. The only off part in his play so far is that he seemed kind of thrown off-kilter by Clem's scum read.

The rest are leans, roughly-ish ordered:

Lean Town
April
PSV
Santy

Neutral
Samac
Genny
Sporty
Clem
AM

Lean Wolf
Empire
True
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This list feels pretty okay actually, I don't agree with AM's position here but I understand where that would come from for someone who hasn't played with her before

What made you put PSV higher than Samac?

What does your reads list look like now?
 
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