Official 2012-2013 Help Me Rank Megathread

[gutonc]

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Interested in research and specializing (maybe heme/onc, maybe GI, maybe pulm, very much undecided atm). Having spent much of my life in smaller cities/college towns, I'm ready to try out a big city but wouldn't want this to jeopardize good training/fellowship match, etc. With that in mind, I'd appreciate any advice on the following:

1-3: Yale, Weill Cornell and UChicago... I can't decide on the order....
4. Duke-- awesome training but Durham is just so quiet and small, and 30hr q3 call is insane.... but given my career goals, is it worth moving this one up?
5-6. Penn vs. Northwestern?
7-10. UNC vs. BU vs. Pitt vs. Mt. Sinai?

Thanks!!

I'll answer this two ways. First, I'll leave the groups intact and rank them that way. Second, I'll rank them the way I would (ignoring your initial ranking...which of course, you're free to ignore). Note that with this list you're going to be in a good place no matter what happens in the Match.

Your Hem/Onc options from any of those places (except possibly BU) will be great...but if your dream is to go MSKCC, Cornell wins by a mile. For GI, Sinai is tops (with Pitt being the kind of hepatology if that's your thing). For Pulm/CC, again, lots of good options.

UC
Cornell
Yale
Duke
Northwestern
Penn
Mt Sinai
UNC/Pitt
BU

(Now my list)
Sinai
NW
UC
Pitt
Cornell
UNC
Duke
Penn
Yale
BU

 

[gutonc]

Not Cornell?

From the Match list thread. It seems pretty... awesome.

U Chicago hasn't posted a publicly available match list since 2010 but that one was just as impressive:

MSKCC
MSKCC
UChicago
Stanford
Hopkins

So I don't think Cornell is that much better than UC on that single measure. Also, almost half of those matches were research pathway which basically means that MSKCC accepted them for fellowship as M4s. Those people were going to get to go wherever they wanted, regardless of residency location.

 

[TCR255]

Gutonc, I'm curious why you rank Penn so low on the above ranklist, especially for someone interested in heme/onc? I was under the impression that Penn is generally considered one of the top 8 for IM and just a half notch below MSKCC/Dana Farber/MDACC for heme/onc fellowship?

 

[CanIMakeIt]

Interested in general medicine...
1. UCSF
2. University of Washington
3. Brigham
4. Hopkins
5. Columbia
6. Duke
7. Northwestern
8. MGH
9. UChicago
10. UCLA
11. Vandy
12. Stanford
13. WashU
Anyone else interested in GM have thoughts?

With this list, UW will not be on my list @ #2. It would have to UCSF, MGH, Hopkins; unless you have family ties
- if you really like UW/Seattle, you can always go there after residency.
- Agree with others that look at the whole list (more than likely you will wnd up in top 3 but should be prepared)

 

[kjamess]

Gutonc, I'm curious why you rank Penn so low on the above ranklist, especially for someone interested in heme/onc? I was under the impression that Penn is generally considered one of the top 8 for IM and just a half notch below MSKCC/Dana Farber/MDACC for heme/onc fellowship?

Wait, so there is a top 8 now? I dunno, that sounds like some BS that someone started on this forum.

 

[gutonc]

Gutonc, I'm curious why you rank Penn so low on the above ranklist, especially for someone interested in heme/onc? I was under the impression that Penn is generally considered one of the top 8 for IM and just a half notch below MSKCC/Dana Farber/MDACC for heme/onc fellowship?

LOL at "Top 8."

I didn't like Penn...the end. I'm not going to argue that it's not an awesome program with great opportunities, but, if I'd gone there, I probably would have put a bullet in my head. So...not a great program for me.

That's why I qualified my suggested rank list as MINE.

 

[FutureDOCdiva]

Here is my rank list so far. I am really torn between my top 4.

I am interesed in rheum or public health. I loved DC for GW. Grady at Emory seemed like the perfect learning environment, but it is Grady so I'm afraid of getting overworked and lost there. Bayview you have access to Hopkins faculty, but the pathology isn't as great.

I'm so lost you guys! I would love your input.

1. Emory
2. GW
3. Bayview (Hopkins)
4. USF
5. VCU
6. CMC
7. MUSC
8. UAB
9. Baylor

 

[TCR255]

My apologies for "Top 8". I did in fact get it from this forum (in the inevitable rankings post). I just meant it's a program that is usually grouped with places like Columbia, Michigan and Duke (but below MGH, Brigham, Hopkins and UCSF) in rankings threads.

Given that it tends to be found so high on those lists, why does it seem to fall so low on so many peoples' individual ranks? I interviewed there and didn't come away with a strong impression in either direction (although I thought it felt a lot stronger than Northwestern). Now I'm wondering if I missed something...

 

[wesssley]

Not sure what I want to do, maybe GIM, maybe Pulm/CC, maybe Cards, maybe something else...any advice? The top of the list sounds great but I figure they are very competitive so I should focus on the middle part. Thanks in advance

1-2-3: UCSF, Penn, Brigham in some order
4: MGH
5: Columbia
6: U of Chicago
7: Northwestern
8: Hopkins
9: Cornell
10: Mt Sinai
11: Beth Israel-Deaconess

 

[HarryGary]

My apologies for "Top 8". I did in fact get it from this forum (in the inevitable rankings post). I just meant it's a program that is usually grouped with places like Columbia, Michigan and Duke (but below MGH, Brigham, Hopkins and UCSF) in rankings threads.

Given that it tends to be found so high on those lists, why does it seem to fall so low on so many peoples' individual ranks? I interviewed there and didn't come away with a strong impression in either direction (although I thought it felt a lot stronger than Northwestern). Now I'm wondering if I missed something...

There is no such thing as a Big 8. Someone posted it as a joke to annoy a pretentious resident from Hopkins, who went by the screen name Moonglow. Somehow it has carried on through SDN, and has become an example of why these boards are dangerous. People start posting fraudulent things, in this case deliberately as an attempt at humor, but other people read it out of context and suddenly things are taken as fact.

 

[HarryGary]

Not sure what I want to do, maybe GIM, maybe Pulm/CC, maybe Cards, maybe something else...any advice? The top of the list sounds great but I figure they are very competitive so I should focus on the middle part. Thanks in advance

1-2-3: UCSF, Penn, Brigham in some order
4: MGH
5: Columbia
6: U of Chicago
7: Northwestern
8: Hopkins
9: Cornell
10: Mt Sinai
11: Beth Israel-Deaconess

If you match at your 11th choice, you can take comfort in that you'll be training at one of the top IM programs in the country. Goes for 4-10 as well.

You have nothing to worry about. Just rank by where you and your family think you'll be happiest and everything will take care of itself.

 

[Greentea9]

I would move Case and Mayo up to #1 and #2 (interchangeable, in my mind) due to great balance of clinical training, research opportunities, and fellowship placement. USC has improved significantly in the past few years, bringing in new faculty to bring up the boards pass rate significantly, and it has great in-house fellowship placement, but I think it still has a ways to go.

Regarding Loma Linda, I get the sense that they care for the well-being of the residents and the residents seemed pretty happy there (sample size n = 1, who is my friend). I think you'd get solid training, but it's middle tier for the LA area. I don't think you'd have as many research opportunities at Loma Linda as you would at USC.

Regarding fellowship placement, it largely depends on what you're planning to subspecialize in and where you'd like to do it. Community programs like Olive View and CPMC are feeders into their affiliated programs UCLA and UCSF, respectively. Scripps Green is known as a "cush" program in the LA/SD area and honestly, the clinical training is not as well-respected as that of Olive View, Harbor-UCLA, Cedars, UCLA, USC, etc. I think their in-house fellowship match is great, but I think you'd have a hard time matching at top tier places coming from Scripps Green without significant research.

You have some great programs on your list, especially Mayo, Case, and Dartmouth. GI is quite competitive and these three programs will give you the most options in terms of an excellent fellowship match. The rest of the programs are all fine as well but you may have a tougher time with fellowship (not necessarily matching but having broader options).

Thanks a lot for your advice, SillyGiraffe and docsaab. It is very much appreciated!

 

[Bill Swa]

Lets go, I'm struggling with these three because they were all great. Would like input from anyone, want to work hard/ play hard.

EDIT: Looking at Cards and PCC

 

[gutonc]

Lets go, I'm struggling with these three because they were all great. Would like input from anyone, want to work hard/ play hard.

EDIT: Looking at Cards and PCC

Merged with the megathread where it belongs.

 

[Bill Swa]

Merged with the megathread where it belongs.

Thanks. Haven't looked at this site in awhile didn't even notice that.

 

[doobiedoobah]

My list looks pretty pathetic to everyone else's, but any help is appreciated. I'm interested in GI, and would like to stay in the northeast.

1. University of Rochester strong memorial
2. Pennsylvania hospital
3. UConn Farmington
4. UMDNJ-RWJ
5. UMass
6. Wayne State DMC
7. Lahey Clinic
8. Drexel
9. Bay state
10. University of Hawaii
11. Umdnj-njms
12. St. Elizabeth's Boston
13. Albert Einstein Beth isreal
15. New York hospital queens
16. UF Jacksonville
17. Cleveland clinic Florida
18. Einstein Philly
19. Maine med
20. Lehigh valley
21. Christiana

 

[gutonc]

My list looks pretty pathetic to everyone else's, but any help is appreciated. I'm interested in GI, and would like to stay in the northeast.

1. University of Rochester strong memorial
2. Pennsylvania hospital
3. UConn Farmington
4. UMDNJ-RWJ
5. UMass
6. Wayne State DMC
7. Lahey Clinic
8. Drexel
9. Bay state
10. University of Hawaii
11. Umdnj-njms
12. St. Elizabeth's Boston
13. Albert Einstein Beth isreal
15. New York hospital queens
16. UF Jacksonville
17. Cleveland clinic Florida
18. Einstein Philly
19. Maine med
20. Lehigh valley
21. Christiana

Your 4, 5 and 6 should be 1, 2 and 3 (although not necessarily in that order...you went there, I didn't, you decide). Strong should be 4, the rest how you like them.

 

[gutonc]

Lets go, I'm struggling with these three because they were all great. Would like input from anyone, want to work hard/ play hard.

EDIT: Looking at Cards and PCC

You will work hard at all of those places (although Vandy>UM>WashU).

As for play? Nashvegas sucks a lot less than St. Louis. If you like the college life, Ann Arbor's probably the best, but if you're even marginally an adult that would probably get old quickly.

You'll be fine fellowship-wise coming from any of them.

 

[disorder]

thinking cards, maybe. the top three are tough and almost interchangeable, but personal life tends to put west coast on top. gut feelings at all three were roughly the same; residents were fantastic at all of them. i think 2 and 3 are harder to rank than 1. i want equal balance between work/life and reputation/fellowship placement. research and mentorship are important to me. a strong supporting PD/aAPD's are also important. thanks in advance and good to be done!

1. UCSD (probably the most well rounded, but an overtone of "we work hard")
2. MSSM (fellowship match was outrageous, but a tad stuffy)
3. OHSU (3+1, you kidding me? everywhere needs this. portland is a question mark.)
4. UCD (solid for the most part, but sac... don't know if i'll ever grow to love the place)
5. USC

i'll worry about the bottom half of my list later.

 

[gutonc]

thinking cards, maybe. the top three are tough and almost interchangeable, but personal life tends to put west coast on top. gut feelings at all three were roughly the same; residents were fantastic at all of them. i think 2 and 3 are harder to rank than 1. i want equal balance between work/life and reputation/fellowship placement. research and mentorship are important to me. a strong supporting PD/aAPD's are also important. thanks in advance and good to be done!

1. UCSD (probably the most well rounded, but an overtone of "we work hard")
2. MSSM (fellowship match was outrageous, but a tad stuffy)
3. OHSU (3+1, you kidding me? everywhere needs this. portland is a question mark.)
4. UCD (solid for the most part, but sac... don't know if i'll ever grow to love the place)
5. USC

i'll worry about the bottom half of my list later.

I didn't interview at UCSD so can't comment. But it's in SD...what time you have outside of the hospital will have incredible weather.

OHSU and MSSM were my 1 and 2 and I would likely make the same choice again today (although I'd perhaps flip them...or not). Interestingly, both programs have had changes at the top in the last few years. Not sure how it's working out at Sinai but it seems pretty good at OHSU. As for the city thing, having lived in both Portland and NYC, you either love them or you hate them. After 11 years, I wasn't sad to leave NYC and can't imagine going back.

WRT your 4 and 5, I'd swap them but that's probably splitting hairs.

 

[whoknows2012]

I have a geographic preference (GF who I live with works in NY and just got a new job) and would prefer to train in NY. So I do realize that I may be ranking higher quality programs slightly lower.

1. Monte
2. NSLIJ
3. UMDNJ-RWJ
4. Tufts
5. Maryland
6. Brown
7. BU
8. BI (NY)
9. Lenox Hill

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

 

[gutonc]

I have a geographic preference (GF who I live with works in NY and just got a new job) and would prefer to train in NY. So I do realize that I may be ranking higher quality programs slightly lower.

1. Monte
2. NSLIJ
3. UMDNJ-RWJ
4. Tufts
5. Maryland
6. Brown
7. BU
8. BI (NY)
9. Lenox Hill

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

Meh...there are no programs on that list that are head and shoulders above Monte so I don't think you're doing yourself a disservice with your list the way it is. I'd personally put Brown above Tufts (which I'd put after BU) but reasonable people can disagree about that.

 

[whoknows2012]

Meh...there are no programs on that list that are head and shoulders above Monte so I don't think you're doing yourself a disservice with your list the way it is. I'd personally put Brown above Tufts (which I'd put after BU) but reasonable people can disagree about that.

what if I told you my interest is hem/onc....I know monte is considered relatively strong (I think?)

 

[gutonc]

what if I told you my interest is hem/onc....I know monte is considered relatively strong (I think?)

Did you not understand my post? Your rank list is fine the way it is (or the way I adjusted it). Again, none of those programs are dramatically better than Monte or anything, including hem/onc.

 

[jsr52]

Having trouble deciding between BU and Jeff. Want to do GI in northeast eventually.

Felt like I fit in with residents at both places and both places seemed to match equally well in GI.

I'm from NY so I feel like philly and boston are pretty similar cities. Not sure what else to base decision on my gut isn't pushing one over the other.

 

[Chemist0157]

Thinking ID, maybe Nephrology.

1. UAB
2. UVA
3. UTSW
4. Wake
5. VCU
6. Brown
7. Louisville
8. MUSC

Things that have led me to making my list this way: 1) my wife and I both liked Charlottesville, 2) only I went to Birmingham, but I think she would like the city, 3) wife not psyched about living in Dallas but it is a great program so 🙂, 4) new baby incoming so ranked Brown lower than what it might deserve given how far away it is from home (and help). Plus, I'm happy with the south.

Thoughts? I'm more interested in what you all think about top 4-5.

 

[gutonc]

Thinking ID, maybe Nephrology.

1. UAB
2. UVA
3. UTSW
4. Wake
5. VCU
6. Brown
7. Louisville
8. MUSC

Things that have led me to making my list this way: 1) my wife and I both liked Charlottesville, 2) only I went to Birmingham, but I think she would like the city, 3) wife not psyched about living in Dallas but it is a great program so 🙂, 4) new baby incoming so ranked Brown lower than what it might deserve given how far away it is from home (and help). Plus, I'm happy with the south.

Thoughts? I'm more interested in what you all think about top 4-5.

Solid top 6. No real argument with the way you've ranked them. UTSW is probably a stronger program than UVA (but also probably a lot more work FWIW) but I'd choose C'ville over Dallas too.

 

[wadecounty]

Could anyone please help me rank these programs (I know they're mostly middle of the road programs) in terms of opportunities, training, etc? Would be interested in cards/GI potentially. I really appreciate all the help in advance guys.

Dartmouth
Iowa
Wake
Ohio State
UMD
Scripps
Wisconsin-Madison
USC
JHU Bayview
RWJ
UF
Georgetown
Case
Rush
Loma Linda
Loyola

 

[OCallag]

Solid top 6. No real argument with the way you've ranked them. UTSW is probably a stronger program than UVA (but also probably a lot more work FWIW) but I'd choose C'ville over Dallas too.

Agree with gutonc's assessment.

UVA has a top-notch ID department and fellowship, so I would take that into account. UTSW > UVA, but you may hate your life between the hours and Dallas. From when I interviewed at UAB I felt like it was a great program and their nephro and ID departments were strong. A word of advice - may want to get your wife to see the city before making the decision. I took my wife with me when I interviewed there and she was less than impressed. It has great parts but it's not for everyone.

 

[Chemist0157]

Solid top 6. No real argument with the way you've ranked them. UTSW is probably a stronger program than UVA (but also probably a lot more work FWIW) but I'd choose C'ville over Dallas too.

Thanks!

Agree with gutonc's assessment.

UVA has a top-notch ID department and fellowship, so I would take that into account. UTSW > UVA, but you may hate your life between the hours and Dallas. From when I interviewed at UAB I felt like it was a great program and their nephro and ID departments were strong. A word of advice - may want to get your wife to see the city before making the decision. I took my wife with me when I interviewed there and she was less than impressed. It has great parts but it's not for everyone.

Not possible unfortunately.

 

[rsingh46143]

Thanks in advance for helping me out ~~~

I'm a 5th year MD/MBA. Interested in EP/Interventional at this moment vs hospital administration/entrepeneurship post-Residency or fellowship (depends on how I feel during/after IM residency)

I absolutely loved UTSW and they recently sent me an e-mail expressing "how competitive I was as an applicant." I really like the strong clinical training/fellowship opportunities they have and what Dallas offers as a city.

Duke offers a specialized leadership/management track in conjunction with their IM program (+1 year). The name speaks for themselves and graduating from that program would open a lot of doors for me from a fellowship standpoint and/or business standpoint.
I received a hand-written note from the interview and e-mail from PD but not as much engagement/interest as from UTSW

right now

1) Duke
2) UTSW
3) Washu
4) UoMich
5) Emory
6) Case
7) IU

help/guidance/reflection/commentary would be appreciated ~~

 

[gutonc]

Could anyone please help me rank these programs (I know they're mostly middle of the road programs) in terms of opportunities, training, etc? Would be interested in cards/GI potentially. I really appreciate all the help in advance guys.

Dartmouth
Iowa
Wake
Ohio State
UMD
Scripps
Wisconsin-Madison
USC
JHU Bayview
RWJ
UF
Georgetown
Case
Rush
Loma Linda
Loyola

Is this how you're planning to rank them?

 

[gutonc]

Thanks in advance for helping me out ~~~

I'm a 5th year MD/MBA. Interested in EP/Interventional at this moment vs hospital administration/entrepeneurship post-Residency or fellowship (depends on how I feel during/after IM residency)

I absolutely loved UTSW and they recently sent me an e-mail expressing "how competitive I was as an applicant." I really like the strong clinical training/fellowship opportunities they have and what Dallas offers as a city.

Duke offers a specialized leadership/management track in conjunction with their IM program (+1 year). The name speaks for themselves and graduating from that program would open a lot of doors for me from a fellowship standpoint and/or business standpoint.
I received a hand-written note from the interview and e-mail from PD but not as much engagement/interest as from UTSW

right now

1) Duke
2) UTSW
3) Washu
4) UoMich
5) Emory
6) Case
7) IU

help/guidance/reflection/commentary would be appreciated ~~

Frankly, there's more reflection and useful commentary in your own post than any random stranger on the intarwebz could ever provide. You seem to know what you want and how you can get it (which is rare in this thread). If you drop to #5 on your list (which is unlikely but not impossible) you'll still be in good shape for doing whatever you want in 3 years.

As for gauging program interest, forget it. Rank them how you like them. Some programs engage in the same bull***t middle school behavior that applicants do, others try to act their age. Don't let that kind of thing sway you.

 

[wadecounty]

Is this how you're planning to rank them?

No, just was looking for advice in terms of how to rank these programs. Thanks!

 

[thierryhenry]

I have a geographic preference (GF who I live with works in NY and just got a new job) and would prefer to train in NY. So I do realize that I may be ranking higher quality programs slightly lower.

1. Monte
2. NSLIJ
3. UMDNJ-RWJ
4. Tufts
5. Maryland
6. Brown
7. BU
8. BI (NY)
9. Lenox Hill

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

If you want to stay in NYC why not move BI up to 4 or even 3 pretty good match for H/O in house and matched someone to Stanford this year pretty impressive and you can't beat the location.

 

[NYknicks44]

Hey everyone,

Thanks for your help in advance. I would like to stay in the Northeast. I am interested in cardiology. Any advice on my rank list would be appreciated, particularly regarding residency training and fellowship placement.

1. Montefiore
2. NS-LIJ
3. Jefferson
4. RWJ
5. Temple
6. NJMS
7. Winthrop
8. Beth Israel
9. St.Luke's-Roosevelt
10. Downstate
11. StonyBrook
12. Albany

 

[gutonc]

Hey everyone,

Thanks for your help in advance. I would like to stay in the Northeast. I am interested in cardiology. Any advice on my rank list would be appreciated, particularly regarding residency training and fellowship placement.

1. Montefiore
2. NS-LIJ
3. Jefferson
4. RWJ
5. Temple
6. NJMS
7. Winthrop
8. Beth Israel
9. St.Luke's-Roosevelt
10. Downstate
11. StonyBrook
12. Albany

Looks about right to me. I'd probably bump Albany and Stony Brook above Winthrop but it's not that big of a deal.

 

[235009]

Hey everyone,

Thanks for your help in advance. I would like to stay in the Northeast. I am interested in cardiology. Any advice on my rank list would be appreciated, particularly regarding residency training and fellowship placement.

1. Montefiore
2. NS-LIJ
3. Jefferson
4. RWJ
5. Temple
6. NJMS
7. Winthrop
8. Beth Israel
9. St.Luke's-Roosevelt
10. Downstate
11. StonyBrook
12. Albany

the bottom part of your list is very strange. i will admit i know nothing about albany so no comment on that. otherwise in terms of reputation stony brook >> SLR = BI > Winthrop

 

[NYknicks44]

the bottom part of your list is very strange. i will admit i know nothing about albany so no comment on that. otherwise in terms of reputation stony brook >> SLR = BI > Winthrop

I just liked winthrop and felt a good vibe from the residents during my interview day. My winthrop interviewer sold me well on the program in terms of career goals.

I guess, you are correct in the terms of reputation. I liked the location of SLR and BI over stonybrook, but I will re-evaluate things. thanks for your input.

 

[marie14]

Sooo here's my rank list thus far, appreciate the input! Priorities are a good balance of quality of life with strong clinical training, research opportunities and an established global health program. Most likely will sub-specialize in future but not sure in what yet.

1. Stanford or OHSU (absolutely loved the feel and atmosphere of OHSU's program but would like to be in the Bay Area long term and felt very comfortable on my IV day with Stanford)
3. UCSD (have heard the usual rumors about overworked residents, interview did not dispel them but love SD) vs Univ of Colorado
5. UCI (pleasant but questionable rep?)
6. Scripps Green
7. USC
8. Cedars-Sinai

 

[gutonc]

Sooo here's my rank list thus far, appreciate the input! Priorities are a good balance of quality of life with strong clinical training, research opportunities and an established global health program. Most likely will sub-specialize in future but not sure in what yet.

1. Stanford or OHSU (absolutely loved the feel and atmosphere of OHSU's program but would like to be in the Bay Area long term and felt very comfortable on my IV day with Stanford)
3. UCSD (have heard the usual rumors about overworked residents, interview did not dispel them but love SD) vs Univ of Colorado
5. UCI (pleasant but questionable rep?)
6. Scripps Green
7. USC
8. Cedars-Sinai

1/2: Stanford for rep. OHSU for QOL. Move to the Bay area once you have a real salary.
3/4: Mountains or ocean? That's as good a decision point as any.
5/6: USC or Scripps
7: Cedars
8: UCI

 

[umean2tellme]

Hey. Thanks in advance. My list now is:

1. UPMC
2. Mayo Clinic (Mn)
3. Northwestern
4. Case Western
5. UF Gainesville
6. Dartmouth
7. Emory
8. Loyola
9. UVermont
10. MGH (Really didn't like it there, but I might as well rank it since I spent my money to go there)

As far as career interests, I'm not really sure. Maybe cards, maybe nephro/ccm, but I will probably change my mind a million times this calendar year. Just mainly looking for a place where I can get a great experience but not be broke for the next 3-7 years should I decide to stay.

 

[CanIMakeIt]

thinking cards, maybe. the top three are tough and almost interchangeable, but personal life tends to put west coast on top. gut feelings at all three were roughly the same; residents were fantastic at all of them. i think 2 and 3 are harder to rank than 1. i want equal balance between work/life and reputation/fellowship placement. research and mentorship are important to me. a strong supporting PD/aAPD's are also important. thanks in advance and good to be done!

1. UCSD (probably the most well rounded, but an overtone of "we work hard")
2. MSSM (fellowship match was outrageous, but a tad stuffy)
3. OHSU (3+1, you kidding me? everywhere needs this. portland is a question mark.)
4. UCD (solid for the most part, but sac... don't know if i'll ever grow to love the place)
5. USC

i'll worry about the bottom half of my list later.

With that in mind (and if you like Portland) my list would be
OHSU - UCSD - MSSM - UCD - USC (I can't live in NYC).

I was most impressed by OHSU during my interview tour. Dr Cooney was PD then I think or may be I am recalling it in error. UCSD is going to be very hard core (going by the reputation - didn't really interview there) and difficult to maintain the work/life balance. OHSU just seemed like every attending I met that day wanted to teach and the attendings brought the articles for residents to read! may be it was just my day - I interacted with Dr Watnick for report (it seems people who go into renal academics, want to teach) and I think Dr Anderson was my rounding team attending.

Good Luck

 

[buzios03]

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[gutonc]

I was most impressed by OHSU during my interview tour. Dr Cooney was PD then I think or may be I am recalling it in error. UCSD is going to be very hard core (going by the reputation - didn't really interview there) and difficult to maintain the work/life balance. OHSU just seemed like every attending I met that day wanted to teach and the attendings brought the articles for residents to read! may be it was just my day - I interacted with Dr Watnick for report (it seems people who go into renal academics, want to teach) and I think Dr Anderson was my rounding team attending.

Talk about an all-star day. If only you'd rounded with Pete Sullivan on the IM floor or Jeff Gold in the MICU.

 

[icaruswalks]

How involved are the applicants during rounds and report on interview day at OHSU? Seems like a lot from CanIMakeIt...

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[gutonc]

How involved are the applicants during rounds and report on interview day at OHSU? Seems like a lot from CanIMakeIt...

I don't know how it's organized any more but in the past, interviewees always went to either MR or noon conference (these have been combined now) and also briefly rounded with a team. How involved you get is up to you.

 

[jbz24]

thinking cards, maybe. the top three are tough and almost interchangeable, but personal life tends to put west coast on top. gut feelings at all three were roughly the same; residents were fantastic at all of them. i think 2 and 3 are harder to rank than 1. i want equal balance between work/life and reputation/fellowship placement. research and mentorship are important to me. a strong supporting PD/aAPD's are also important. thanks in advance and good to be done!

1. UCSD (probably the most well rounded, but an overtone of "we work hard")
2. MSSM (fellowship match was outrageous, but a tad stuffy)
3. OHSU (3+1, you kidding me? everywhere needs this. portland is a question mark.)
4. UCD (solid for the most part, but sac... don't know if i'll ever grow to love the place)
5. USC

i'll worry about the bottom half of my list later.

I think you should pick which coast you prefer before even looking at anything else. Otherwise, I would argue to rank MSSM as your first choice if you're thinking cards. Stronger faculty, led by Fuster who you may get the chance to work with, and lots of in-house matches (5 per year for the last 2 years). Not your typical NYC program (pretty cush intern year) and the new PD is very supporting. Of course, if the west coast is the preference, then I would argue for you to drop MSSM to the end of your list.

 

[krps85]

Hi guys, mid-tier list here and would appreciate some help. Interested in heme/onc, what are your thoughts about this rank order?

Wisconsin
Case Western
Harbor-UCLA
Baylor
Utah
BU
Dartmouth
Cedars-Sinai
Rochester

Also, I'm kinda hoping to do fellowship somewhere in the west if possible. Would the two LA programs be the best in terms of purely west coast fellowship opportunities? Thanks 🙂

 

[CanIMakeIt]

How involved are the applicants during rounds and report on interview day at OHSU? Seems like a lot from CanIMakeIt...

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Well I was told that as an applicant, talking during MR was a no no and could be seen as d-bag move. On my interview day, I was pretty much sleep deprived having driven for 14-15 hrs to get to Portland. Dr Watnick was so engaging and no one else was answering and I had just come off of Renal consults and it was a good renal case and we just went back and forth for good 15-20 mins over that case. Well, I know it is a no-no but I was having a great day and she is a great teacher. After the MR, she came up to me and asked if I wanted to do renal. During the medicine rounds, it was engaging as well but less so given it was just me and the team, so I was a little bit more conscious (and a bit more awake) of what I was doing.

But if you haven't been there, you will love it.