2008-2009 University of Utah Secondary Application Thread

[bufnita]

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Hey guys, I'm interested in taking another look at Utah to get a better idea of the new curriculum and stuff. Does anybody know if there is going to be a second look? I didn't see anything about it in the admissions letter.
Thanks

 

[sabai sabai]

Got my rejection letter today. IS, 33 MCAT, 3.8 GPA, and it's my second year applying. If only they hadn't cut those 20 spots.

Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the 20 spots....I know of 4 people who have been accepted, all IS, all sub 30 MCATs (one had a high of 25 with a much lower gpa than yours etc).....the vagaries of the U's admissions process continues to baffle me

BTW, im in the same boat as you, 2nd year applicant, low 30s mcat, 3.6 gpa, met with the dean, exceeded his suggestions, and still received a rejection

 

[jessicita]

Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the 20 spots....I know of 4 people who have been accepted, all IS, all sub 30 MCATs (one had a high of 25 with a much lower gpa than yours etc).....the vagaries of the U's admissions process continues to baffle me

BTW, im in the same boat as you, 2nd year applicant, low 30s mcat, 3.6 gpa, met with the dean, exceeded his suggestions, and still received a rejection

It makes me really upset that the only medical school in the state makes it so difficult to get in. Do they not realize that by being so tough they are putting Utah residents at a disadvantage? I mean honestly, most state schools make it easier for residents to get in. Utah residents who didn't get accepted to the U (like myself) are at a serious disadvantage at all other state schools because there are very limited spots for nonresidents.

 

[krispiffy3]

It makes me really upset that the only medical school in the state makes it so difficult to get in. Do they not realize that by being so tough they are putting Utah residents at a disadvantage? I mean honestly, most state schools make it easier for residents to get in. Utah residents who didn't get accepted to the U (like myself) are at a serious disadvantage at all other state schools because there are very limited spots for nonresidents.

I totally agree! And now that they have cut the class size, they are really putting Utah students at a disadvantage.

 

[Bingo]

I just got an acceptance letter from the U today! I'm way stoked. I didn't expect to make it off the alternate list this fast at all. I guess I'll throw my stats out there too. 37 MCAT (I did horrible on the writing section but the U doesn't look at that), 3.8 GPA, certified Spanish interpreter with IHC, Idaho resident.
Good luck everyone!

 

[emucansado]

I just got an acceptance letter from the U today! I'm way stoked. I didn't expect to make it off the alternate list this fast at all. I guess I'll throw my stats out there too. 37 MCAT (I did horrible on the writing section but the U doesn't look at that), 3.8 GPA, certified Spanish interpreter with IHC, Idaho resident.
Good luck everyone!

Congrats! but... alternate list?

 

[pietachok]

Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the 20 spots....I know of 4 people who have been accepted, all IS, all sub 30 MCATs (one had a high of 25 with a much lower gpa than yours etc).....the vagaries of the U's admissions process continues to baffle me

BTW, im in the same boat as you, 2nd year applicant, low 30s mcat, 3.6 gpa, met with the dean, exceeded his suggestions, and still received a rejection

I feel your pain. I am an OOS rejectee who had applied two years in a row to the U. I had strong ties to Utah (parents grew up there, I lived there, owned property there, parents went to undergrad and med school at the U). My MCAT was a 34 & I had an Ivy League 3.45 in Engineering. After last year's rejection I spoke to the dean to improve my app. and it's really disheartening to see people w/ truly medicore scores get accepted in lieu of those w/ decent mid-range scores who may not get other reasonable offers (not for lack of their ability but for lack of luck). I don't get it.

At least I can say that I somewhat credit the dean's thorough advice with helping me improve my app and getting me 7 more M.D. interviews this year...I finally got into USC. It will be far pricier and I cannot live in my family home, but at least I will be a doctor 🙄. It's too bad that I hear he's not giving post-interview app reviews this year. I thought it was an excellent personal touch that Utah offered beyond other schools. I think my parents' (and thus many of their alumni peers) devotion to their alma mater has definitely...dwindled...to say the least, after my interactions with the admissions process at the U.

But, DON'T GIVE UP!

 

[waterlilly]

For the few of us going to the U next year...a facebook group has been created: search
University of Utah School of Medicine Class of 2013

YAY!!!

 

[Bingo]

Congrats! but... alternate list?

Yeah, I just got put on it about a week and a half ago.

 

[Siggie223]

It makes me really upset that the only medical school in the state makes it so difficult to get in. Do they not realize that by being so tough they are putting Utah residents at a disadvantage? I mean honestly, most state schools make it easier for residents to get in. Utah residents who didn't get accepted to the U (like myself) are at a serious disadvantage at all other state schools because there are very limited spots for nonresidents.

I kind of feel the opposite. I think the U is one of the easiest state schools to get into (if you are from Utah or Idaho). Their MCAT scores are well below the national average and the diversity at the school is a joke (everyone is a white male from Utah). I'm OOS (from a state without a medical school - not Idaho - and no agreements with other state schools), low 30s MCAT, 3.6 GPA from an Ivy League school - lots of leadership experience (captain of teams) and research. I live and work at the U and got rejected on Saturday. I kind of expected it because of my OOS status. I get kind of pissed when people (from Utah or Idaho) on this forum talk about how hard the U is to get into. At least you have a school with some affiliation. Try applying to a bunch of schools as an OOS applicant - it is much more difficult.

 

[krispiffy3]

I kind of feel the opposite. I think the U is one of the easiest state schools to get into (if you are from Utah or Idaho). Their MCAT scores are well below the national average and the diversity at the school is a joke (everyone is a white male from Utah). I'm OOS (from a state without a medical school - not Idaho - and no agreements with other state schools), low 30s MCAT, 3.6 GPA from an Ivy League school - lots of leadership experience (captain of teams) and research. I live and work at the U and got rejected on Saturday. I kind of expected it because of my OOS status. I get kind of pissed when people (from Utah or Idaho) on this forum talk about how hard the U is to get into. At least you have a school with some affiliation. Try applying to a bunch of schools as an OOS applicant - it is much more difficult.

I agree with you to some degree about how less competitive of a state school the U is. But, have you ever looked at the stats of the people who have been rejected? I personally know of two dozen candidates who were more than amply qualified in stats, extracurriculars, recommendations, and character who were rejected. Some of them went on to other MD programs, a few of them better in my mind than the U. I think the U is difficult to get into because you never know what they are looking for and you have to be exceedingly well-rounded.

 

[forevrundecided]

Waitlisted today-

( >3.9, >35)

How anticlimactic

 

[drumboy]

I kind of feel the opposite. I think the U is one of the easiest state schools to get into (if you are from Utah or Idaho). Their MCAT scores are well below the national average and the diversity at the school is a joke (everyone is a white male from Utah). I'm OOS (from a state without a medical school - not Idaho - and no agreements with other state schools), low 30s MCAT, 3.6 GPA from an Ivy League school - lots of leadership experience (captain of teams) and research. I live and work at the U and got rejected on Saturday. I kind of expected it because of my OOS status. I get kind of pissed when people (from Utah or Idaho) on this forum talk about how hard the U is to get into. At least you have a school with some affiliation. Try applying to a bunch of schools as an OOS applicant - it is much more difficult.

It's not necessarily that the U is hard to get into, but rather, it's the fact that there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to the people that get accepted, more of a crap shoot than anything. I'm IS, high 30s MCAT, 3.95 GPA, well above "average" on research, volunteer work, clinical stuff, shadowing, leadership, blah blah etc...and I'm a white male. I got an early rejection in January - I guess they really didn't want me. Diversity is "lacking" at the U, because most of the applicants aren't "diverse."
I wouldn't say that I've had an amazing application cycle this year, but I am fortunate to have acceptances to schools that many would consider to be better schools than Utah (I realize that "better" is extremely arbitrary and subjective). And while not accepted, I've interviewed and been waitlisted at different Ivy Leagues, which I feel is an accomplishment.

The point being - I don't think I was a bad applicant at all, I was well above standards set by the U, and they rejected me months ago. There are also students on SDN who are applying their 2nd and 3rd times, and even after doing what the Dean told them to improve, they aren't even put on a waitlist (btw, I sure hope you get in somewhere, and don't let the U discourage you!). Without being demeaning of the current students at the U, I know of someone who had mediocre stats, but his hobby just happened to be the favorite hobby of the person interviewing him. The ENTIRE interview, they talked about that hobby. He got accepted. I'm sure the interviewer could see his personality and find out what he was like no matter what they were talking about, but it might cause some to raise an eyebrow or two. There really isn't much of a way to know how "competitive" you are at the U. Just hope you get an interviewer that likes you🙂 Anyway, no hard feelings against the U, I'm really happy to be going where I am, I just feel horribly that people keep getting the run-around when they go above what the Dean tells them they need to do to be more competitive.

As a side note, I think they should get all the applicants in on one day (that meet their ridiculously low minimum requirements), and the top 100 (or 80) blackjack players get an acceptance. At least then people would know WHY those that get in and those that get rejected do.

 

[forevrundecided]

drumboy, where are you going?

 

[UofU2009]

I called the admissions office today to make sure that they had my most current (correct) address on file. I was told by the lady in the admissions office that my letter was sent out on Friday and that I should be receiving it soon, and they did in fact have the correct address.

My question is this: if I am/had been accepted, would my status on the secondary page have changed already? It still just says "Submitted" in the upper left-hand corner.

I have read on this forum that the status changes, but I just wanted to know if this change took place before the letters came, or if it changes once you make a deposit, etc. Also, would it only change if I were to be accepted or does it also change in the case of a rejection/waitlist?

I know that I'm being incredibly impatient here, but I feel like I'm going to explode. I have been waiting 7 months for a result from the U of U! I interviewed in early September! Any advice would be helpful from those who know anything concerning the status page updates.

Thanks! and good luck to everyone!

 

[Siggie223]

As a side note, I think they should get all the applicants in on one day (that meet their ridiculously low minimum requirements), and the top 100 (or 80) blackjack players get an acceptance. At least then people would know WHY those that get in and those that get rejected do.

Haha. I really like that idea. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying the U is easy to get into (clearly because I didn't). All I'm saying is that you don't have to have really impressive stats to get into the U. Unlike other schools they are not all about the numbers - which is good and bad. I think it gives kids who didn't do well on the MCAT a chance - when most other places would write them off.

You cannot deny that the diversity at Utah is very low. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. Utah is a state school and, as such, has requirements for a large percentage of in state acceptance. Since Utah is not a very diverse state – the outcome is inevitable. All I’m saying is that being a white male doesn’t necessarily hurt your chances of being admitted to Utah – where it might at a different (private) school – trying to admit a more diverse student body. When talking about diversity, I’m not solely referring to race. The lack of diversity in backgrounds and experiences was noticeable.

I totally agree with you though – who gets in and who gets rejected really is a crap shoot. I would totally support the blackjack game outcome because as an OOS applicant (with the class size cut) my chances were pretty small from the beginning.

 

[jessicita]

I called the admissions office today to make sure that they had my most current (correct) address on file. I was told by the lady in the admissions office that my letter was sent out on Friday and that I should be receiving it soon, and they did in fact have the correct address.

My question is this: if I am/had been accepted, would my status on the secondary page have changed already? It still just says "Submitted" in the upper left-hand corner.

I have read on this forum that the status changes, but I just wanted to know if this change took place before the letters came, or if it changes once you make a deposit, etc. Also, would it only change if I were to be accepted or does it also change in the case of a rejection/waitlist?

I know that I'm being incredibly impatient here, but I feel like I'm going to explode. I have been waiting 7 months for a result from the U of U! I interviewed in early September! Any advice would be helpful from those who know anything concerning the status page updates.

Thanks! and good luck to everyone!

Your status page does not change if you have been waitlisted or rejected. It only changes if you have been accepted, and it changes whether or not you make a deposit. For reference, see phospho's entry a while back.

 

[UofU2009]

Your status page does not change if you have been waitlisted or rejected. It only changes if you have been accepted, and it changes whether or not you make a deposit. For reference, see phospho's entry a while back.

Thank you for your response. I am very disappointed. I suppose the best I can hope for now is a waitlist spot, but even then I can't imagine that there will be much movement, especially with the reduced class size. It really bothers me that they made me wait 7 months for a rejection - that's really lame to toy with people like that. I just want to go crawl in a hole and never resurface. My family's optimism is going to make it very difficult to let them know that I was not accepted - it really is a hit to one's ego. Good luck to the rest of you and congrats to those who managed to make into this years class.

 

[krispiffy3]

Thank you for your response. I am very disappointed. I suppose the best I can hope for now is a waitlist spot, but even then I can't imagine that there will be much movement, especially with the reduced class size. It really bothers me that they made me wait 7 months for a rejection - that's really lame to toy with people like that. I just want to go crawl in a hole and never resurface. My family's optimism is going to make it very difficult to let them know that I was not accepted - it really is a hit to one's ego. Good luck to the rest of you and congrats to those who managed to make into this years class.

Oh man I completely hear you!!! I have not received my letter, but my page hasn't changed so I am thinking that is bad news. Please, please, please don't give up...reapply next year...and don't go crawl in a hole. You need to reenergize yourself for the next round of applications! Good luck to you

 

[guestdoc]

I kind of feel the opposite. I think the U is one of the easiest state schools to get into (if you are from Utah or Idaho). Their MCAT scores are well below the national average and the diversity at the school is a joke (everyone is a white male from Utah).

I get kind of pissed when people (from Utah or Idaho) on this forum talk about how hard the U is to get into. At least you have a school with some affiliation. Try applying to a bunch of schools as an OOS applicant - it is much more difficult.

Haha. I really like that idea. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying the U is easy to get into (clearly because I didn't). All I'm saying is that you don't have to have really impressive stats to get into the U. Unlike other schools they are not all about the numbers - which is good and bad. I think it gives kids who didn't do well on the MCAT a chance - when most other places would write them off.

I totally agree with you though – who gets in and who gets rejected really is a crap shoot. I would totally support the blackjack game outcome because as an OOS applicant (with the class size cut) my chances were pretty small from the beginning.

There is no doubt that the MCAT scores and entrance averages at Utah aren't particularly competitive, but it's not because their applicant pool isn't. As has been said, there seems to be no way to tell if you have a chance at Utah. Being a Utah applicant to Utah doesn't seem to be a good shot at all, and it's really frustrating to not know if you have a legit chance at your own state school! I have friends that are from Utah and didn't even apply to Utah; they didn't even want to mess with it (and, once again, they are going to supposedly "better" schools, by USNWR rankings at least). Another friend (Utah was a top choice for him) got rejected from Utah way back in January as well, and now he has to "settle" for a half-scholarship at a top-25 medical school. There are many more stories just like this. (ok, I personally only know three more stories like that, but I'd be willing to bet there are many more) 😀 It's what Utah is (somewhat) infamous for, from what I've heard.

So, yeah, the entrance stats aren't intensely competitive for Utah, but some solid Utah applicants talk about how hard it is because it makes little sense to them. I got the rejection from Utah more than a month ago: IS, 35, 3.75. I'm not the perfect applicant, but I thought I'd have a chance at Utah (at least until the last cut), but I didn't. Thankfully, I have other options!!

I wholeheartedly support the blackjack option! Hey, it may even serve to diversify (in terms of hobbies and pastimes at least) the class a bit. To all future Utah applicants: as part of your studying, you better hit up Vegas! 🙂

In conclusion, best of luck to all of you! I hope something/somehow/somewhere works out!!

 

[pietachok]

I suppose that one of the things we can't account for by looking at MDApplicants, etc. is the origin within Utah of the applicants w/ the lowest stats. I will assume that those with the strongest preparation and applications are not from the more rural areas. Someone with a mediocre MCAT and GPA from a lower-ranked school, but who has a family in a rural region, is more likely to return to practice in an area of need than the 3.9 student with the 37 MCAT who left state for undergrad.

Just a thought as to why they are making these seemingly random choices.

I woulda come back from Manhattan to live in glorious Magna 😛, but they still didn't want me. Not quite the type of underserved area they're looking for, hehe.

 

[ute1979]

alternate listed this morning

32O, 3.7, IS

and the rollercoater continues.......

 

[emucansado]

Rejected this morning.

3.73 GPA 38R MCAT...

Oh well, I'm accepted to better schools I liked more anyway. Good Luck everyone going to, or hoping to go to Utah!

 

[LoVEiT]

i will free up a spot for one of you guys on the wait list soon😉 got accepted to U of U...........! will go to RVUCOM instead. call me crazy. U of U is a great school and I have wanted to go there all along my undergrad at the U but it is not the school for me afterall.
Good luck peeps and enjoy!!!

LIVE IT UP!

 

[krispiffy3]

i will free up a spot for one of you guys on the wait list soon😉 got accepted to U of U...........! will go to RVUCOM instead. call me crazy. U of U is a great school and I have wanted to go there all along my undergrad at the U but it is not the school for me afterall.
Good luck peeps and enjoy!!!

LIVE IT UP!

I was waitlisted yesterday. I am IS, 3.8 GPA, and 30S MCAT. Thank you, thank you for giving up your spot. I encourage all of you with multiple offers to give up your spot as well...j/k🙂. But seriously, does anyone know anything about the U's wait list?

 

[DoctorMDPhD]

Perhaps I am late posting, but I heard from the horse's mouth that U of U is accepting 82 students, 61 of which are in state. She couldn't give me the exact price of tuition, but said it increased roughly 15%.

What college did everyone attend that has been accepted? I know of only myself and one other that have been accepted from Utah State University.

 

[DoctorMDPhD]

Also, the last of the letters were sent out March 31. So everyone should hear really soon or already know their status.

 

[Bingo]

I'm from Utah State also. I don't think I know you though.

 

[veaselhaufen]

haha I just called the school of medicine to ask if they've posted their match list online

I was treated as if I were asking for students' social security numbers or something.

The lady in the deans office asked me three times "why do you want to see the match list"

?????????
edit: AAAndd they never sent it to me. They said it was because of privacy issues?

 

[sabai sabai]

haha I just called the school of medicine to ask if they've posted their match list online

I was treated as if I were asking for students' social security numbers or something.

The lady in the deans office asked me three times "why do you want to see the match list"

?????????
edit: AAAndd they never sent it to me. They said it was because of privacy issues?

Perhaps it's because 24 seniors didn't match?

 

[veaselhaufen]

Perhaps it's because 24 seniors didn't match?

No way! Is that true? Please back this up

Does this mean that they went on to research, deferred a year, etc. or did all of these people have to scramble?

 

[phospho]

Perhaps it's because 24 seniors didn't match?

I'm not going to attend the U, but now i'm curious...this is roughly a quarter of the class...

as veaselhaufen mentioned, do you have a reliable source for this information?

 

[sabai sabai]

I'm not going to attend the U, but now i'm curious...this is roughly a quarter of the class...

as veaselhaufen mentioned, do you have a reliable source for this information?

I learned of this through A neurosurgeon at the U. I can't imagine he would be blowin smoke, and the admissions attitude toward Vease's request makes it seem even more realistic. HOWEVER, that's my only source, I've asked 1st year students and nobody seems to know. As for where they all ended up...no idea, but I would guess many scrambled..

 

[cougalum]

No way! Is that true? Please back this up

Does this mean that they went on to research, deferred a year, etc. or did all of these people have to scramble?

No kidding. I want to see this data, too. I am on the waitlist, but if I were to be accepted, this is definitely something that would make me think twice about attending there. 25% of the class not matching, well, sucks, frankly.

 

[veaselhaufen]

I don't think that could be true.

Considering the over-abundance of residency positions, it would take some SERIOUSLY bad advising/mentorship for 24 students to not match. Unless lots of people with 210 step one scores are applying exclusively to ROAD specialties, I don't think it would be possible. I've been surprised by this school before though

 

[sabai sabai]

I think before any conclusions can be drawn, we need more reliable sources. In fact, with only one in hand, I wouldn't have said anything if Vease hadn't brought up the shadiness of their admissions office when he asked to see the list.

 

[pietachok]

I am totally and completely speculating...and haven't looked up any info to check into this:

I would imagine that U of U might always have a low match + high scramble b/c they have one of the highest % of married students (more mormon/non-traditional entry...have young families w/ roots in the region). Such students may not be ranking programs outside of Utah or Utah/Idaho/Wyoming/Nevada at all, simply due to their sense of obligation to family...not at all due to poor advising or bad USMLE scores.

It may usually work out ok, but this year, did the same budget cuts that caused them to cut the M.D. class size also lend to a reduction of residency spots in Utah such that a super restrictive ranking to stay in the Utah area could leave many unmatched?

Just one idea.
Plus, when they show the "match" list, when you interview, I bet they usually have added on those who scrambled...so it'd be difficult retrospectively to figure out how different this year is from usual.

 

[utah3219]

I heard from a third year student that 25 percent of the 2009 Class did not match. Which sucks now that they have to enter the scramble and probably will end up in places unheard of. That's unfortunate. Seems like the Dean has had his hands full lately...

Is it true they are only doing 61 IS acceptances? So 14 of 20 lost seats come from IS?? That is unfortunate...

 

[utah3219]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

 

[phospho]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

naa, step 2 is supposed to be much easier, and the majority of US med students never have trouble with it.

what do you mean by your last statement though? why would he give interviews to rejected people? sorry if i'm reading it incorrectly...

 

[sabai sabai]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

That's correct, no more post-app reviews of your application. In fact, he won't even respond to emails, which is complete BS in my opinion. As DEAN OF ADMISSIONS, I feel it's part of his job to advise students

 

[sabai sabai]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

That's correct, no more post-app reviews of your application. In fact, he won't even respond to emails, which is complete BS in my opinion. As DEAN OF ADMISSIONS, I feel it's part of his job to advise students

 

[sabai sabai]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

That's correct, no more post-app reviews. In fact, he won't even respond to emails, which is complete BS in my opinion. As DEAN OF ADMISSIONS, I feel it's part of his job to advise students

 

[sabai sabai]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

That's correct, no more post-app reviews. In fact, he won't even respond to emails, which is complete BS in my opinion. As DEAN OF ADMISSIONS, I feel it's part of his job to advise students

 

[veaselhaufen]

The U is below average on the USMLE step 1 but they are above average on USMLE step 2 if that counts for anything?

Heard a rumor Samuelson is discontinuing post-app interviews for the rejected. 😱

Utah is below average on both step 1 and step 2 as per http://uuhsc.utah.edu/som/College_Co...uncil%2008.htm

Why would anyone want a post-application interview with Dean Samuelson anyway? It's been mentioned over and over in this thread that his advice doesn't yield acceptances the second and third time around.

I'm still struggling to understand how 25% of the class could go unmatched. I think it's now evident to us that this school is falling apart, but why does it seem to have such a good regional reputation among laypeople in utah? I was a U undergraduate and I often bumped into people who were convinced that the U was one of the top 10 or so med schools in the country.

I wonder what their unmatched rate has been in the past? Have they given out match lists in the past? And does anyone know why they seem to only admit people with <3.5 and <30 if their school's board scores and matching rates continue to suck? It just seems insane to me. This school is the main provider of physicians in our state. I think like 70 percent of physicians in utah did all or part of their training at the U. As a person who has his whole family in utah, this concerns me. What the hell are they thinking? and cutting 14/20 slots in the medical school from IS students? And why the hell are they building a new hospital if they don't have enough funds to continue to produce the already meager number of new physicians for the state.

Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture, but this school seems to continue to make lousy decisions 👎

 

[guestdoc]

Very interesting discussion as of late! 😱 I'd like to know more as people get some info, even though it doesn't apply to me. I guess I like to keep up on how my state is doing before I leave.

Here's something that I found a while back that may be of help to some. It seems to be the match results for Utah from 1995-2007.

http://umed.med.utah.edu/residency/

 

[skirgal16]

I heard from a third year student that 25 percent of the 2009 Class did not match. Which sucks now that they have to enter the scramble and probably will end up in places unheard of. That's unfortunate. Seems like the Dean has had his hands full lately...

Is it true they are only doing 61 IS acceptances? So 14 of 20 lost seats come from IS?? That is unfortunate...

I dunno which 3rd year told you that, but it's not true. From what I've heard from other students, either 14 or 15 did not match. Yeah, I know, it shocked all of us 1st and 2nd years too. However, supposedly 4 of those were trying for radiology, which is extremely hard (so of the 5 that applied for radiology, only 1 matched). I believe some of the others were from derm (I know of atleast one that matched in derm). If I had to guess, I'd almost think that some were from anesthesiology (since 20 4th years were trying for that, and it's also part of that wonderful ROAD to riches), but I missed the anesthesiology match panel yesterday so I can't tell you for sure.

And honestly, don't worry so much about USMLE scores - how well you do depends on how well you study. If you want to get into a tough program, you'll need to study a lot no matter where you go. There are kids at the UUSOM last year that got 260s and 270s because they work hard, and there are kids that failed (most likely because they didn't). IMO, if you don't work hard and study, you won't do well, no matter what the average board score is at your school.

Good luck to everyone, we all look forward to seeing you next year.

 

[pietachok]

what do you mean by your last statement though? why would he give interviews to rejected people? sorry if i'm reading it incorrectly...

They weren't exactly interviews...

They were reviews of your application available to applicants who had been rejected post-interview. It was, in the past, something Dean Samuelson could offer due to the relatively low # of interviewees per seat at Utah compared to most schools. I had one of these reviews last year, and it was a great opportunity to have a candid response to my application from someone other than my pre-med adviser. At the time, I didn't know about SDN, so, I wasn't really getting any helpful feedback. Based on his assistance, I went from having my only interview be from Utah to getting 8 M.D. interviews + 6 D.O. interviews.

I went from 2 yrs of rejections including D.O. rejections to getting into USC! I think that in a state that has had budget cuts that will prevent them from accepting a sufficient # of their own residents, this is a great loss in helping their residents gain admissions elsewhere...b/c frankly, most pre-med advisers dont give as worthwhile advice in years of advising as Dean Samuelson gave in one phone call.

It's a shame.

 

[utah3219]

They weren't exactly interviews...

They were reviews of your application available to applicants who had been rejected post-interview. It was, in the past, something Dean Samuelson could offer due to the relatively low # of interviewees per seat at Utah compared to most schools. I had one of these reviews last year, and it was a great opportunity to have a candid response to my application from someone other than my pre-med adviser. At the time, I didn't know about SDN, so, I wasn't really getting any helpful feedback. Based on his assistance, I went from having my only interview be from Utah to getting 8 M.D. interviews + 6 D.O. interviews.

I went from 2 yrs of rejections including D.O. rejections to getting into USC! I think that in a state that has had budget cuts that will prevent them from accepting a sufficient # of their own residents, this is a great loss in helping their residents gain admissions elsewhere...b/c frankly, most pre-med advisers dont give as worthwhile advice in years of advising as Dean Samuelson gave in one phone call.

It's a shame.

One thing the UUSOM feels responsible for is helping U of U students get accepted to ANY school. I was talking to one of the assistants to Samuelson (seeing how he won't even speak to undergraduates privately anymore) and was told how disappointed they are with the pre-med office at the U. Only 100 students went to medical school for the 2008 cycle out of 260 students. Apparently U students aren't applying early enough, not studying hard enough for the mcat, and not using crucial things like the 15 activities on their application to their benefit.

So from what you have said I guess the post-app review with Samuelson was VERY helpful and it's unfortunate he is discontinuing that...Maybe it has to do with all the rejected students who have gone through the post-app process in the past and still didn't get accepted to the U which I'm sure Samuelson is tired of hearing about 😕

 

[utah3219]

I dunno which 3rd year told you that, but it's not true. From what I've heard from other students, either 14 or 15 did not match. Yeah, I know, it shocked all of us 1st and 2nd years too. However, supposedly 4 of those were trying for radiology, which is extremely hard (so of the 5 that applied for radiology, only 1 matched). I believe some of the others were from derm (I know of atleast one that matched in derm). If I had to guess, I'd almost think that some were from anesthesiology (since 20 4th years were trying for that, and it's also part of that wonderful ROAD to riches), but I missed the anesthesiology match panel yesterday so I can't tell you for sure.

And honestly, don't worry so much about USMLE scores - how well you do depends on how well you study. If you want to get into a tough program, you'll need to study a lot no matter where you go. There are kids at the UUSOM last year that got 260s and 270s because they work hard, and there are kids that failed (most likely because they didn't). IMO, if you don't work hard and study, you won't do well, no matter what the average board score is at your school.

Good luck to everyone, we all look forward to seeing you next year.

Thanks for the info on that! It's still a bit shocking that 15 wouldn't even match to any of their choices. Bummer. The U is still my first choice and whatever problems the SOM is going through I'm sure they will come out of it stronger.