2010-2011 Stanford University Application Thread

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There is a post by doctorno from 5/01/10 in last year's Stanford thread in which he compiles the number of people who went to admit weekend over the years (it's rather long, so I won't quote the entire thing). Here was the breakdown (no, 2010):

2009: 55 people (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/05_11_09.html#4)
2008: 70 people (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/05_05_08.html#3)
2007: 90 people (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/05_07_07.html#d)
2006: 60 people (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/05_01_06.html#7)
2005: 77 people (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/05_02_05.html)

So the last time there were 90 people at admit weekend was 2007, and that was the year Stanford didn't use its waitlist. Based on what I read in a thread from that year, they had something called First Alternates, who either had first dibs on open spots in the class after May 15 OR were guaranteed a spot in the following year's class. I haven't heard of any such thing happening this year, as far as I know, but it will be interesting to see if anyone ends up getting one of these this coming week. FYI, 2010 had 72 people at admit weekend (http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/archive/04_19_10.html#3). But based on 2007, this situation doesn't look at all promising for people on the waitlist (I hope I will be proven wrong on this).

If they haven't been doing First Alternates all year (which it seems like they have not), there's no reason to suspect they would suddenly start doing it for the last two interview groups. I regret mentioning it in the first place. Depending on how many of them got in that year, it may just mean 15-20 people might get in from the waitlist this year, which would still be better than nothing.

Thanks for compiling this info! How do you know no one was taken off the waitlist in 2007? Maybe it just wasn't reported here on SDN.

Good luck to those still waiting-- hopefully they expand their class size just a little bit this year! I love you, Stanford!
 
Does anyone know how many students total they accepted? (before any waitlist acceptances)
 
Moxche-- are you wait listed?

I would assume they admitted >/= ~110 students...I think this is a general ball park estimate from years past....
 
Thanks for compiling this info! How do you know no one was taken off the waitlist in 2007? Maybe it just wasn't reported here on SDN.

Good luck to those still waiting-- hopefully they expand their class size just a little bit this year! I love you, Stanford!

I was just paraphrasing a post by doctorno, so he/she did most of the work compiling the links 😉. I was basing my conclusion about the 2007 waitlist on the last page of this thread (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=375976&page=8), but, as you said, it's only SDN, so it's inherently limited to only a small part of the entire picture. Ultimately this is all conjecture until May 15, so to all the waitlist people, :luck: and to all the accepted people, congrats but give Harvard or Yale second look a chance this coming weekend (they are really not that bad!).
 
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I was just paraphrasing a post by doctorno, so he/she did most of the work compiling the links 😉. I was basing my conclusion about the 2007 waitlist on the last page of this thread (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=375976&page=8), but, as you said, it's only SDN, so it's inherently limited to only a small part of the entire picture. Ultimately this is all conjecture until May 15, so to all the waitlist people, :luck: and to all the accepted people, congrats but give Harvard or Yale second look a chance this coming weekend (they are really not that bad!).

:laugh:
 
A more accurate estimate would be in the 140-150 range I think.

Moxche-- are you wait listed?

I would assume they admitted >/= ~110 students...I think this is a general ball park estimate from years past....
 
This is not something I know too much about, but I do not think most students just graduate in the fall quarter (that might not even exist as an option) and call it quits. What many do is not enroll as a full-time student during their last spring and instead travel, go home, etc.

It is possible to take off random quarters, but that would extend how long you are at Stanford. Spring quarter, year 2, otherwise known as Q6, is required since you have one class during part of that spring (otherwise it is just fulltime off for boards studying).

It is definitely manageable to graduate by paying for just 13 full quarters (which is a requirement to graduate). Most students reduce the price of those 13 quarters through Med Scholars (for a summer quarter plus 25-50% Med Scholars during their second year quarters). RAships are separate from the Med Scholars program. TAships are another option to lower the cost of attending Stanford Med. On average, Stanford is one of the cheapest private medical schools in the country (comparing average graduating debt to peer institutions).

Clinical clerkships are full-time commitments (don't think about doing TAships or Med Scholars during them). The flexibility comes in terms of scheduling different rotations.

The preclinical curriculum flexibility is as advertised. In addition to core med school classes, you can TA, do research, take electives, go work with a startup, etc.


Can a current student comment on the new tuition structure and how it affects timing of graduation? For example, it seems like if there is a strong incentive to do the minimum 13 quarters at full price (especially if you take a year off and use up your 5 MedScholars quarters), since the terminal rate no longer exists. Therefore, do a lot of people graduate in Fall Quarter during fourth/fifth year and then just leave Stanford? Also, it is possible to take off random quarters, to pursue research of study for boards (such as Spring Quarter Year 2)?

I'm trying to wrap my head around how manageable it is to graduate with just paying for 13 quarters full price (presumably including one summer quarter paid by Med Scholars in those 13 quarters). Also, are RAships different than Medscholars? They made the curriulum (including clinical curriculum) sound really flexible during Second Look, but I'm trying to figure out how the finances work with that.

Any thoughts would be really helpful (on finances and/or if the curriculum is really as flexible as they make it sound)! Thanks!
 
Hey Rajasthan, thanks so much! So in that case, if you wanted to take a year + summer off to do medscholars (which seems somewhat common), it sounds like you couldn't do medscholars during the 2nd year as well (because you can only do 5 quarters maximum)? Is that the correct understanding?

Do you know how RAships differ from Medscholars, and if you could do RAships during the year in addition to summer/year off for Medscholars?

In terms of 13 quarters, it seems like that would only carry you through the Fall Quarter of the 4th (or 5th, if you took a year off) year...which seems pretty early to be done with everything (assuming you had no MedScholars left or something). But can you perhaps take a quarter off for residency interviews or something, then finish in Winter/Spring of the last year? This charging by the quarter system seems sort of strange, so I'm just trying to figure out how people maneuver it without paying for extra quarters. Thanks so much for your insight and clarification!

To an earlier poster - I remember hearing from someone that they accepted ~130 students so far and 90 of them were at SL. But this may have been complete hearsay (I forget if it was from a current student or an admit), so don't hold me to that.


This is not something I know too much about, but I do not think most students just graduate in the fall quarter (that might not even exist as an option) and call it quits. What many do is not enroll as a full-time student during their last spring and instead travel, go home, etc.

It is possible to take off random quarters, but that would extend how long you are at Stanford. Spring quarter, year 2, otherwise known as Q6, is required since you have one class during part of that spring (otherwise it is just fulltime off for boards studying).

It is definitely manageable to graduate by paying for just 13 full quarters (which is a requirement to graduate). Most students reduce the price of those 13 quarters through Med Scholars (for a summer quarter plus 25-50% Med Scholars during their second year quarters). RAships are separate from the Med Scholars program. TAships are another option to lower the cost of attending Stanford Med. On average, Stanford is one of the cheapest private medical schools in the country (comparing average graduating debt to peer institutions).

Clinical clerkships are full-time commitments (don't think about doing TAships or Med Scholars during them). The flexibility comes in terms of scheduling different rotations.

The preclinical curriculum flexibility is as advertised. In addition to core med school classes, you can TA, do research, take electives, go work with a startup, etc.
 
Hey Rajasthan, thanks so much! So in that case, if you wanted to take a year + summer off to do medscholars (which seems somewhat common), it sounds like you couldn't do medscholars during the 2nd year as well (because you can only do 5 quarters maximum)? Is that the correct understanding?

Do you know how RAships differ from Medscholars, and if you could do RAships during the year in addition to summer/year off for Medscholars?

In terms of 13 quarters, it seems like that would only carry you through the Fall Quarter of the 4th (or 5th, if you took a year off) year...which seems pretty early to be done with everything (assuming you had no MedScholars left or something). But can you perhaps take a quarter off for residency interviews or something, then finish in Winter/Spring of the last year? This charging by the quarter system seems sort of strange, so I'm just trying to figure out how people maneuver it without paying for extra quarters. Thanks so much for your insight and clarification!

To an earlier poster - I remember hearing from someone that they accepted ~130 students so far and 90 of them were at SL. But this may have been complete hearsay (I forget if it was from a current student or an admit), so don't hold me to that.

RAships are a little bit more rare. They pay better than MedScholars though, especially under the new system (25% MedScholars= $2500 tuition reduction, 25% RAship= $4500 tuition reduction/$4500 salary). I've personally never heard of anyone doing it, though I could definitely be wrong. In that case, you actually have to find a lab that is willing to pay you and part of your tuition to work there. It's less flexible than MedScholars because it's more of a "job" where you'll be required to be in lab at certain times, etc. The normal MedScholars route is already funded by the MedScholars grant, and I think PIs get a small amount of money for letting your work in their lab. Accordingly, there's not a huge incentive for them to pay you via the RAship route. Thus, most people use MedScholars.

In terms of a 5th year, many students get outside funding (HHMI grant, Doris Duke off campus, pathology fellowship, etc.). If you use say...1.5 quarters of Med Scholars your first summer and second year (as I plan to do) and want to consider a 5th year you have other options (considering you'll only have 3.5 quarters left...leave a half quarter unpaid for). Particularly, a lot of students will end up TAing an easy seminar course one quarter which easily nets them the living expenses they lose with one quarter of 50%. Other times, labs will have extra funds to give to MedScholars researchers to tide them over. There's also small grants available from most specialty associations, i.e. "American Society of [insert specialty name here]" for medical students to conduct research. Overall, more look of it as 5 quarters of full-time MedScholars= ~50,000 total support that can be distributed across 5 years however you want....but won't exceed $50,000. You can have it as a MS2 or in your "fifth year" but it still turns out to be the same amount.
 
Just got an email about this and thought this was pretty cool, especially for anyone interested in global health and journalism. I know our global health program at Stanford is relatively new (and it's not an area I'm particularly interested in), but for those that are....

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Stanford University’s Center for Global Health with the
help of NBC News is debuting a Fellowship in Global
Health Media. This opportunity is open to medical students,
residents and faculty. During a period of 12-months, starting
in June 2011, the Global Health Media Fellow will
apprentice and experiment with media platforms including:
investigative journalism, radio, print, photography,
television and social networking.

This is a competitively paid fellowship program that offers
access to leaders in the global health and media industries
including: NBC News, ProPublica, Ning, the Kaiser Family
Foundation, Stanford University, Journal for Health Affairs
and others. For six months the Fellow will be embedded
with Dr. Nancy Snyderman, Chief Medical Editor for NBC
News and her producer. They will research the ‘news of the
day’ and learn how Nightly News stories are chosen to be
highlighted in the U.S. The Fellow will spend the remaining
six months of the fellowship traveling throughout the U.S.
and abroad, learning global health journalism through other
media modalities.
 
MDEast-- thanks for all this info--

Do you if the Entering Class of 2011 Facebook Group was advertised at Admit weekend? It seems like only 32 people are in that group as of yet and some are current students. So...by this time last year, there were >55 in the group....interesting...I wonder if this does at all reflect how many people would consider themselves 100% sure on coming to Stanford....

Any other predictions/news on whether or not the WL will move?
 
Could any of the current students comment on the role of medical students in the admission process? I know that some MMI interviewers have been current students. Is their rating from the MMI the extent of their participation or do some students sit on the committee and help choose admits?
 
Just sit tight now- the waitlist probably won't move for at least a month.

MDEast-- thanks for all this info--

Do you if the Entering Class of 2011 Facebook Group was advertised at Admit weekend? It seems like only 32 people are in that group as of yet and some are current students. So...by this time last year, there were >55 in the group....interesting...I wonder if this does at all reflect how many people would consider themselves 100% sure on coming to Stanford....

Any other predictions/news on whether or not the WL will move?
 
Most med students who formally got involved (vs. informally at some of interview day lunches, tours, etc.) did so through the MMI interviews. The admissions committee does have student representatives, but they are always 3rd year or older students.


Could any of the current students comment on the role of medical students in the admission process? I know that some MMI interviewers have been current students. Is their rating from the MMI the extent of their participation or do some students sit on the committee and help choose admits?
 
Hey guys,
I was wondering about the ease of taking courses in all different schools at Stanford--are we allotted a certain number a year, etc? How easy is it to fit into the med school curriculum?

Also, how are you guys ranking your preferences for dorms? Which dorms were nicer on the tour during admit weekend?

Thanks a bunch!
 
http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/#9

"On April 7-9th Stanford students, faculty and the Office of Admissions hosted a weekend of information and events for nearly 100 students who have been admitted to Stanford School of Medicine and who elected to return for another visit. According to Dr. Gabe Garcia, Director and Associate Dean for MD Admissions and Professor of Medicine, this was the largest group of returning students for "Admit Weekend" he could remember. This certainly suggests that a large number of our accepted students are interested in attending Stanford."

😱
 
http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/#9

"On April 7-9th Stanford students, faculty and the Office of Admissions hosted a weekend of information and events for nearly 100 students who have been admitted to Stanford School of Medicine and who elected to return for another visit. According to Dr. Gabe Garcia, Director and Associate Dean for MD Admissions and Professor of Medicine, this was the largest group of returning students for "Admit Weekend" he could remember. This certainly suggests that a large number of our accepted students are interested in attending Stanford."

😱

bummmmmmerrrrrrr
 
http://deansnewsletter.stanford.edu/#9

"On April 7-9th Stanford students, faculty and the Office of Admissions hosted a weekend of information and events for nearly 100 students who have been admitted to Stanford School of Medicine and who elected to return for another visit. According to Dr. Gabe Garcia, Director and Associate Dean for MD Admissions and Professor of Medicine, this was the largest group of returning students for "Admit Weekend" he could remember. This certainly suggests that a large number of our accepted students are interested in attending Stanford."

😱

I'm pretty sure there were 87 students at admit weekend, and a few extra if you include significant others. Word on the "street" is still that we accepted more people than normal this year and this year's admit weekend was larger than in past years. I don't know if that realistically has any correlation to what your waitlist chances are.
 
The number of electives you can take at the med school or the other schools at Stanford all depends on credits. You are allotted a maximum of 35 credits / quarter, which means that in your first three quarters, you can take 7, 8, and 15 credits of electives, respectively. Classes for the most part are 1-4 credits each. If you met the pre-requisites, you just sign up on Axess, and that's it- very, very simple. Nicest part is that electives are on the MD grading system (Pass/Fail!).

Depends how you want to use your time, and how your study, time management, etc. habits are. Some of my classmates just take the core med school classes, some load up on electives, extra-curriculars, etc. But it is definitely doable if you chose to do it 🙂.


Hey guys,
I was wondering about the ease of taking courses in all different schools at Stanford--are we allotted a certain number a year, etc? How easy is it to fit into the med school curriculum?

Also, how are you guys ranking your preferences for dorms? Which dorms were nicer on the tour during admit weekend?

Thanks a bunch!
 
Hey all! Do any current students or waitlisted applicants know when they start reviewing waitlist files again? It seems like they must need to sort through them before May 15. Also, would any students waitlisted last year mind sharing their experience in sending updates, etc.? Thanks!!
 
Can any Stanford students speak to whether or not having 15.5 months of clerkships (compared to 18-20 months for most schools?) makes you feel disadvantaged at all (in terms of clinical training or exploring specialties)? It seems like there is a disincentive to do additional quarters under the new tuition system...just wondering if Stanford's short clinical time hurts its students at all, if anyone has any thoughts.
 
Can any Stanford students speak to whether or not having 15.5 months of clerkships (compared to 18-20 months for most schools?) makes you feel disadvantaged at all (in terms of clinical training or exploring specialties)? It seems like there is a disincentive to do additional quarters under the new tuition system...just wondering if Stanford's short clinical time hurts its students at all, if anyone has any thoughts.

Correction: 15.5 months of required clerkship time. You are free to take more months than that and most students do. This just provides flexibility in your last two years. Feel like you might need a break in the middle of clerkships? Take a month off and don't do anything. Or, get paid to work on a mini-research project in the specialty you fell in love with your 3rd year that you never thought of pursuing before. Freaked out about Step 1? Don't start clerkships until August and spend extra time studying. You'll easily still have the time to fill up all the requirements before you need to graduate. Want to not be on rotation when you're interviewing for residency? Great. Take a month or two (or even a whole quarter off and concentrate on those). The requirement is more a flexibility thing than anything else. Having said that, it also means that (under the new tuition system), assuming you do a MedScholars research summer after MS1...you can technically graduate your 4th year paying only 1 quarter of tuition ($14k total) for your last year in med school to fulfill the full clerkship requirement and 15 quarter graduation requirement. Pretty sweet if you're looking to save money.

I can't comment because I'm a pre-clin, but I think most Stanford medical students are trained well for the residency choice in an environment that is traditionally a bit more relaxed than some of our East Coast peers with a very non-competitive grading system.
 
Thanks mdeast! Do you know if you can take electives during the first year of clerkships? It's too bad Stanford doesn't start clerkships a little bit earlier.

Also, if you only pay 1 quarter tuition your last year, you aren't actually saving money compared to other schools right (since each 3 quarters is ~$45K)? Just saving money compared to if you stay longer at Stanford? Their whole tuition/quarter structure seems pretty convoluted. I would hope that graduating that early wouldn't make someone too rusty for residency though, but I imagine most people wouldn't want to pay the extra $15K to do more clerkships...am I understanding this correctly?

Correction: 15.5 months of required clerkship time. You are free to take more months than that and most students do. This just provides flexibility in your last two years. Feel like you might need a break in the middle of clerkships? Take a month off and don't do anything. Or, get paid to work on a mini-research project in the specialty you fell in love with your 3rd year that you never thought of pursuing before. Freaked out about Step 1? Don't start clerkships until August and spend extra time studying. You'll easily still have the time to fill up all the requirements before you need to graduate. Want to not be on rotation when you're interviewing for residency? Great. Take a month or two (or even a whole quarter off and concentrate on those). The requirement is more a flexibility thing than anything else. Having said that, it also means that (under the new tuition system), assuming you do a MedScholars research summer after MS1...you can technically graduate your 4th year paying only 1 quarter of tuition ($14k total) for your last year in med school to fulfill the full clerkship requirement and 15 quarter graduation requirement. Pretty sweet if you're looking to save money.

I can't comment because I'm a pre-clin, but I think most Stanford medical students are trained well for the residency choice in an environment that is traditionally a bit more relaxed than some of our East Coast peers with a very non-competitive grading system.
 
are you guys living on campus? Have you guys decided what to rank for housing yet?
 
Hello,

I was wondering about the Leadership in Health Disparaties Program / Early Matriculation Program. I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons to participating this summer. Are there any current students who would recommend it or care to comment on it? Any other accepted students that have signed on for it or are thinking about it?
I'm interested in health disparities research and would definitely appreciate a primer before diving into med school curriculum. However, does this essentially count as an extra quarter of medical school, financially? That is - and I admit I still do not fully understand the funding structure of Stanford medical school in general - if I was to partake in this program, would it be the equivalent of paying for 14th quarter of medical school in the end (even if there is assistance of sorts associated with LDHP)?

thanks!
 
Any news ANYONE? I thought these wait lists moved faster than this? Last year, movement started on the 18th I believe...any thoughts??
 
I got the call on Tuesday! I was stunned and thrilled, but am actually struggling with the price tag...I'm calling today about financial aid.
 
Megrs--will you accept the offer? Have you decided for sure yes or no? Where else are your other options?
 
I received a call on Tuesday as well. I'm definitely coming to Stanford!!
 
Congrats, mgrs and bionerdette! That's awesome news!!!

Hoping to hear soon :xf:
 
Thanks and congrats!

Sent in my Intent to Matriculate form and deposit. Withdrawing from Colorado this weekend.

I really couldn't be happier; good luck everyone!!
 
Well....someone dropped the facebook group....

Seems this is a very non-lively thread compared to the one they had last year......😕😴
 
Does anyone know if wait list movement is over? Or is there still hope? Any information?
 
Hey guys, I thought I would post on here that I got off the waitlist on Tuesday. I am very excited, Stanford is a great school. Good luck to anyone still waiting.
 
Congrat! Maximus8, may i know your stat. are you URM?
 
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Maximus8, may i know you stat. are you URM?
:laugh: at least congratulate him/her before starting intelligence gathering!

Thanks for posting Maximus8. I hope a few more of us find some encouraging news, because things have been pretty bleak so far. At least now we know the waitlist still appears to have been active recently.
 
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Any other news?? Anyone else getting in? Anyone know if the waitlist is still moving? :luck::luck::xf::xf:
 
Just curious: why are there so few people in the facebook group?
 
Wow!! I'm definitely sold even more than I already was!
 
i received an e-mail from greg vaughn last week, telling me they had filled all 86 spots for this Fall. sorry folks.
 
i received an e-mail from greg vaughn last week, telling me they had filled all 86 spots for this Fall. sorry folks.

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