2010-2011 Wayne State Application Thread

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Ahmed786 said:
I thought this too, but its actually more like 50-60% for instaters. You have a 78% chance of getting in if you are given an INTERVIEW but after you are waitlisted, the chance drops a little bit. (Assuming trends are the same from previous years)

In the end, it doesnt really matter to dwell on stupid statistics, all that matters is that you get the call.
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Yeah that makes more sense and esp. part about most if it being geared towards Mich residents.

I don't think any school gets through 78% of their waitlist. Most at best get through 33%-50% of it.

But 70-80% of total number interviewed is a different story altogether and makes quite more sense based on what I've seen with other schools.
 
Hey guys, I withdrew my acceptance several days ago. I hope one of you got it! Good luck to everyone who is still waiting. Don't lose hope! OOS btw.
 
Hey guys, I have a question (may be kinda dumb). I noticed that oftentimes when someone withdraws, people ask them if they're IS or OOS. If an OOS withdraws, is that newly opened spot available only to other OOS, or can IS get it too?
 
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Hey guys, I have a question (may be kinda dumb). I noticed that oftentimes when someone withdraws, people ask them if they're IS or OOS. If an OOS withdraws, is that newly opened spot available only to other OOS, or can IS get it too?
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Well I know at UCF they are giving it to another OOSer to maintain a certain level of diversity at the school. Could be the same at wayne too. But it doesn't mean they have to take another OOSer. They can still take an ISer if theya re a better candidate that complements whatever diversity they want in the class.

The whole IS/OOS thing affects OOSers more cuz they can ionly get in if an OOSer drops as most states have limits on how many OOSers are taken at a public state funded school. however, the reverse is not true. If the school wants all ISers they can easily do that. So if they don't think an OOSer is more qualified then a ISer they want then they can easily skip over the next OOSer for an Iser even if the person who dropped is an OOSer.

But like I said, an OOSer cannot get in unless another OOSer drops if the quota for OOS students is met.
 
Can anybody find the 78% thread? I remember reading it a few weeks ago, I should have saved it 🙁
 
I second that. As popular as SDN is, I'm not sure the majority of applicants use it and/or post on it. For all we know, several calls could have been made.
 
too bad calls arent made on the weekends
 
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Hi,
I'm a lurker, but I have learned alot and I figured it was about time I posted. I got off the waitlist thursday morning. I know there was more than just one call because she said "oh your one of my california people arent you".
3.5/30M/OOS lots of EC
I hope this helps anyone that is interested!
 
According to the fb group there are now 241 in the group and before there were 228 and before that when I checked 221. so i wonder what that means either in terms of number of seats filled, number of people taken off the waitlist recently, etc.

I wish I could fastforward time. it would be nice for some sort of closure.
 
I'm starting to lose my patience waiting for a decision. I just hope I can say it was worth it in the end.
 
Received the call on Thursday morning around 10.

3.8 gpa, 29O, oos, lots of experience in the healthcare field
 
Madz99 said:
I'm starting to lose my patience waiting for a decision. I just hope I can say it was worth it in the end.
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Yeah we all hope for the same. Its rough. Its rough to be so close you can feel it but yet so far. Its like going to that exclusive club and waiting in line and getting right there and someone telling you they've filled up the capacity. lol.
 
gujuDoc said:
According to the fb group there are now 241 in the group and before there were 228 and before that when I checked 221. so i wonder what that means either in terms of number of seats filled, number of people taken off the waitlist recently, etc.

I wish I could fastforward time. it would be nice for some sort of closure.
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FYI, not everyone on the FB group is a fall 2011 freshman. There are also random 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years helping to address questions incoming freshmen have, and I've even seen a person who wasn't a medical student and just wanted to advertise for an apartment opening! So, I'd say any speculation based on numbers for that group would be difficult. At best, it may even be positive news for you: despite a count of 221, you now know that not all those members are incoming freshmen. Perhaps that should put you slightly at ease?


gujuDoc said:
Yeah we all hope for the same. Its rough. Its rough to be so close you can feel it but yet so far. Its like going to that exclusive club and waiting in line and getting right there and someone telling you they've filled up the capacity. lol.
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I can totally identify with you. I spent last year's waitlist season agonizing over the question of whether I'd be pulled or not. Every morning I woke up with hope, and every evening, I was disappointed. In the end, I didn't get pulled, and it took me a couple of weeks to really come to terms with it and accept it despite having begun my reapplication process. I waited and hoped for an acceptance all the way up until orientation week, and it didn't come. Just keep your chin up.

Whether you all get in or not this summer, if you truly want to be a physician, I believe you won't let one year stop you. In the grand scheme of our lives, one year (or even a few) is nothing compared to the number of years you could potentially be practicing what you know in your heart to be something which you love. Don't give up! And don't believe the lie that you're not cut out for medical school if you don't get off the list! You made it to the waitlist. That means you are definitely qualified--it's unfortunate that there are many more qualified applicants than medical schools can admit. Sorry if you are already confident about your own competence as an applicant, but this whole process had me wrestling with my own worth sometimes. I hope anyone who needs this message finds encouragement in it.
 
the messenger said:
I can totally identify with you. I spent last year's waitlist season agonizing over the question of whether I'd be pulled or not. Every morning I woke up with hope, and every evening, I was disappointed. In the end, I didn't get pulled, and it took me a couple of weeks to really come to terms with it and accept it despite having begun my reapplication process. I waited and hoped for an acceptance all the way up until orientation week, and it didn't come. Just keep your chin up.

Whether you all get in or not this summer, if you truly want to be a physician, I believe you won't let one year stop you. In the grand scheme of our lives, one year (or even a few) is nothing compared to the number of years you could potentially be practicing what you know in your heart to be something which you love. Don't give up! And don't believe the lie that you're not cut out for medical school if you don't get off the list! You made it to the waitlist. That means you are definitely qualified--it's unfortunate that there are many more qualified applicants than medical schools can admit. Sorry if you are already confident about your own competence as an applicant, but this whole process had me wrestling with my own worth sometimes. I hope anyone who needs this message finds encouragement in it.
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I agree. I did it 3 times. It's not fun and it definitely frustrates you, but in the end you can and will do it.
 
the messenger said:
Whether you all get in or not this summer, if you truly want to be a physician, I believe you won't let one year stop you. In the grand scheme of our lives, one year (or even a few) is nothing compared to the number of years you could potentially be practicing what you know in your heart to be something which you love. Don't give up! And don't believe the lie that you're not cut out for medical school if you don't get off the list! You made it to the waitlist. That means you are definitely qualified--it's unfortunate that there are many more qualified applicants than medical schools can admit. Sorry if you are already confident about your own competence as an applicant, but this whole process had me wrestling with my own worth sometimes. I hope anyone who needs this message finds encouragement in it.
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Thank you for saying this. I couldn't agree more. The whole application/waitlist process is so demoralizing. Ironic that there's an enormous shortage of primary-care physicians but not enough seats in medical schools throughout the country for qualified, competent, humane and passionate people.
 
CrazyCloud said:
Thank you for saying this. I couldn't agree more. The whole application/waitlist process is so demoralizing. Ironic that there's an enormous shortage of primary-care physicians but not enough seats in medical schools throughout the country for qualified, competent, humane and passionate people.
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One of the problems with the medical school system in the US 🙁
 
Leoj said:
One of the problems with the medical school system in the US 🙁
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http://chronicle.com/article/Students-From-Caribbean-Med/125681/

"In the 1980s, when medical educators were warning of a glut of doctors, New York medical schools severely restricted class sizes"

Yes, that was New York, but I also think the upcoming doctor shortage coupled with the limit in medical school enrollment is not coincidental nor an accident.

The question is not whether or not U.S. medical schools have ON THE WHOLE (others, like Wayne and the University of Illinois have increased) limited or decreased enrollment while simultaneously being warned of a serious doctor shortage. That's a given. The real question is why.

Not that this has anything to do with Wayne, anyway. Just some food for thought.

But, like I said: it's still June. Don't lose hope. I would, however, make sure your backup plans are in order and, if you're planning on reapplying, submit your stuff now. Remember, the earlier the better.

It's better to have a head start and then get the call than to be way behind and not get the call.
 
CrazyCloud said:
Thank you for saying this. I couldn't agree more. The whole application/waitlist process is so demoralizing. Ironic that there's an enormous shortage of primary-care physicians but not enough seats in medical schools throughout the country for qualified, competent, humane and passionate people.
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The shortage of Primary care physicians also has to do with the fact that where these shortages are, are the places no one wants to go settle because they are too rural, the fact that primary care is the least paying field and being overrun by PAs and NPs and DNPs, amongst other health professions, the fact that they are some of the most limited in knowledge compared to being able to dig deeper and thus not as interesting to many people, amongst other reasons.

But I don't think opening more med schools will solve the primary care shortage by a long shot.
 
gujuDoc said:
The shortage of Primary care physicians also has to do with the fact that where these shortages are, are the places no one wants to go settle because they are too rural, the fact that primary care is the least paying field and being overrun by PAs and NPs and DNPs, amongst other health professions, the fact that they are some of the most limited in knowledge compared to being able to dig deeper and thus not as interesting to many people, amongst other reasons.

But I don't think opening more med schools will solve the primary care shortage by a long shot.
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I also want to add that our aging patient population will require more physicians, and this contributes to the shortage.

And while many new medical schools are opening up now (reapplicants take note: Oakland University William Beaumont opens this fall, and Western Michigan and Central Michigan will all have medical schools very soon), that only opens up one portion of the medical education pipeline: the government must expand funding of graduate medical education so that teaching hospitals can increase their residency slots and train more doctors. I don't think there will be much use in increasing medical school enrollment unless there is also an increase in residency training slots.
 
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I also want to add that our aging patient population will require more physicians, and this contributes to the shortage.

And while many new medical schools are opening up now (reapplicants take note: Oakland University William Beaumont opens this fall, and Western Michigan and Central Michigan will all have medical schools very soon), that only opens up one portion of the medical education pipeline: the government must expand funding of graduate medical education so that teaching hospitals can increase their residency slots and train more doctors. I don't think there will be much use in increasing medical school enrollment unless there is also an increase in residency training slots.
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And we all know that won't happen because too many doctors would mean what happened with lawyers, no jobs eventually and ess salary.

also we all know that the main point of increasing med spots is to weed out foreign graduates not really increase physicians. lol.
 
So...yesterday (Monday) I was up until 3:48 AM writing an amazing letter to the assistant dean Dr. Norman regarding my situation in which I got accepted to MSUCOM and need a decision fast. I drove all the way to Detroit to hand the letter to the people in person. The lady at the admissions office desk told me Dr. Norman was gone somewhere and wouldn't be back until June 20, which completely defeats the purpose for which I wrote the letter (to show them I'm a good fit for the school, and to try and get an early spot off waitlist). 🙁 The lady was like "does this have anything to do with the alternate list" and I replied yes. She said "they don't even look at them so it won't help." I had a feeling that was the case so I wasn't too surprised. However, last Wednesday I turned in an update/interest letter to the same lady and she didn't tell me this then. It's the same lady I gave a letter to every month and she finally tells me (but at least she's nice about it). You guys may already have known this, but Dawn is currently completely in charge of the waitlist with specific instructions from Dr. Norman on how to handle things. I'm assuming since she was assigned this task by him, she wouldn't be flexible about the same things he might be flexible about.
 
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i spent a hell of a lot of time on my letter.
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arathur said:
So...yesterday (Monday) I was up until 3:48 AM writing an amazing letter to the assistant dean Dr. Norman regarding my situation in which I got accepted to MSUCOM and need a decision fast. I drove all the way to Detroit to hand the letter to the people in person. The lady at the admissions office desk told me Dr. Norman was gone somewhere and wouldn't be back until June 20, which completely defeats the purpose for which I wrote the letter (to show them I'm a good fit for the school, and to try and get an early spot off waitlist). 🙁 The lady was like "does this have anything to do with the alternate list" and I replied yes. She said "they don't even look at them so it won't help." I had a feeling that was the case so I wasn't too surprised. However, last Wednesday I turned in an update/interest letter to the same lady and she didn't tell me this then. It's the same lady I gave a letter to every month and she finally tells me (but at least she's nice about it). You guys may already have known this, but Dawn is currently completely in charge of the waitlist with specific instructions from Dr. Norman on how to handle things. I'm assuming since she was assigned this task by him, she wouldn't be flexible about the same things he might be flexible about.
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Hmm this is interesting. But maybe this is proving the point spankx put up earlier. He did say it was a ranked waitlist so perhaps there is some truth that it is not taken that seriously. I've heard mixed reports too. I wrote a letter of update and intent some time back but a month hasn't even passed so I will wait again til then before writing another in hopes of it helping at any point.
 
It appears Wayne does not really consider materials received after setting their alternate list but does anyone know by chance if they would look at re-applications from the next cycle?
-Former "lurker"
 
"You guys may already have known this, but Dawn is currently completely in charge of the waitlist with specific instructions from Dr. Norman on how to handle things. I'm assuming since she was assigned this task by him, she wouldn't be flexible about the same things he might be flexible about."

i talked to dr norman on the phone MONTHS ago hoping he would remember me ...now i guess that doesnt matter 🙁 writing a letter still sounds like a good idea
 
I was in the same position about MSUCOM, so I wrote a letter about a week before the last decision date. But now that I see that everyone is doing this, I doubt it had any influence over the decision. I'm pretty sure the list is set and ranked numerically, but i could be wrong.
 
Yeah, it's a ranked waitlist. Letters at this point don't really do anything. I'm not saying don't do it; rather, it might be a complete waste of time.

In theory, your rank was given to you when the committee met after your interview. It doesn't change, regardless of what you send in. With all due respect, asking for a spot because you've already been accepted somewhere else and you need to give the other school a decision is . . . how do I say this nicely . . . a little sketchy. There are other students who don't have an acceptance anywhere else.

I'm not sure how full the class is, but as I've said earlier, more likely than not they'll be accepting students up until right before class starts. The best you can do at this point is make sure your contact information is up to date and make plans for next year if you don't get in. Like I said, it's better to be prepared with your back up and get accepted than to not be prepared and not be accepted.

Again, it's the beginning of June. There's still plenty of time.
 
Goblue89 said:
It appears Wayne does not really consider materials received after setting their alternate list but does anyone know by chance if they would look at re-applications from the next cycle?
-Former "lurker"
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Are you asking whether admissions looks at your previous year's application during the upcoming application year? If that's your question: I don't know if they pull up your past file. I know that when I went to meet with Dr. Norman during my reapp cycle last year in October, I had already sent in my secondaries for that time, so he had my old application materials as well as my new. That may be an exception to their general procedures because of my unique situation, though--I was meeting with him to discuss why I didn't get in for my first application cycle, but they were backed up on appointments, so I could only meet with him after I had already applied for this current app cycle.

One thing I have heard for sure is that the person who looked at your file last year and the person who looks at it this time around will be different virtually every time. I kept some of my old essays, made a few tweaks to my personal statement, and updated my work/activities on AMCAS. I got in, so I'm concluding that keeping much of my application the same didn't hurt.

Sorry if I didn't address your question. And congratulations on coming out of the shadows, lurker!
 
If you're waitlisted elsewhere other than Wayne and you spent lots of time and energy composing a letter of intent for Wayne, you could consider using your letter as a template for other letters to other schools. Granted, you must be honest about what you feel and like about the other school(s). Don't let it be an exact copy of your letter to Wayne. Even if the other schools aren't your top choice, write a letter expressing how you desire greatly to be part of their school, etc.
 
the messenger said:
If you're waitlisted elsewhere other than Wayne and you spent lots of time and energy composing a letter of intent for Wayne, you could consider using your letter as a template for other letters to other schools. Granted, you must be honest about what you feel and like about the other school(s). Don't let it be an exact copy of your letter to Wayne. Even if the other schools aren't your top choice, write a letter expressing how you desire greatly to be part of their school, etc.
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I wrote one to Wayne but not to UCF because UCF said they take no stock in such letters and not to bother writing one.

Is it advisable to write in a month if I've heard nothing by the end of this month?
 
gujuDoc said:
I wrote one to Wayne but not to UCF because UCF said they take no stock in such letters and not to bother writing one.

Is it advisable to write in a month if I've heard nothing by the end of this month?
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If the school does accept and review letters and you haven't written anything to them yet, I would just write one as soon as possible. It's waitlist season, so I'd convey to schools as much as possible how much I want to attend. And many schools (not including Wayne) do not rank their lists but rather review files. It would be most beneficial to you if they were able to review your file with a letter expressing continued interest.
 
the messenger said:
If the school does accept and review letters and you haven't written anything to them yet, I would just write one as soon as possible. It's waitlist season, so I'd convey to schools as much as possible how much I want to attend. And many schools (not including Wayne) do not rank their lists but rather review files. It would be most beneficial to you if they were able to review your file with a letter expressing continued interest.
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Sadly the schools I'm waitlisted at are ranked waitlists. So they are of no good to me. One is here at WSU and the other at UCF.
 
I'm not on the list, but I've been keeping up with this thread--something you guys who don't have any acceptances yet may want to consider as a backup plan is this program through Wayne's Med School (the one at U of M is closed for applications now, but Wayne's is still open)

http://gradprograms.med.wayne.edu/program-spotlight.php?id=34

MS in Basic Medical Science. Pretty much everyone who applies gets in. 2 year program. Has a really goo track record of getting people into med school after even 1 year of it. Read on that site somewhere that ~1/3 people who do the program end up matriculating to Wayne (doesn't say total matriculation to all schools after participation in it though). Taught by med faculty, classes with M1s. I'm sure some of you have heard of it, but just a reminder as a backup!
 
SisterDisco08 said:
I'm not on the list, but I've been keeping up with this thread--something you guys who don't have any acceptances yet may want to consider as a backup plan is this program through Wayne's Med School (the one at U of M is closed for applications now, but Wayne's is still open)

http://gradprograms.med.wayne.edu/program-spotlight.php?id=34

MS in Basic Medical Science. Pretty much everyone who applies gets in. 2 year program. Has a really goo track record of getting people into med school after even 1 year of it. Read on that site somewhere that ~1/3 people who do the program end up matriculating to Wayne (doesn't say total matriculation to all schools after participation in it though). Taught by med faculty, classes with M1s. I'm sure some of you have heard of it, but just a reminder as a backup!
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Are you doing that?

I already did grad school and an SMP so that's out for me. But I've been hearing it be discussed a lot by a poster in the postbac forums lately.
 
gujuDoc said:
Are you doing that?

I already did grad school and an SMP so that's out for me. But I've been hearing it be discussed a lot by a poster in the postbac forums lately.
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I mean, couldn't hurt, especially with such a good chunk of people from it matriculating to lots of med schools (IS and OOS). So I wouldn't write it off, even if you've done grad school and an SMP. Showing a continued commitment to education could only help (or perhaps a PhD program would be better for you).

I'll probably be doing it (they haven't accepted anyone yet, and I haven't heard from the U of M program yet, but the U of M program doesn't have the relationship with U of M's med school, so I'd prolly do the Wayne one over the U of M one...)
 
SisterDisco08 said:
I mean, couldn't hurt, especially with such a good chunk of people from it matriculating to lots of med schools (IS and OOS). So I wouldn't write it off, even if you've done grad school and an SMP. Showing a continued commitment to education could only help (or perhaps a PhD program would be better for you).

I'll probably be doing it (they haven't accepted anyone yet, and I haven't heard from the U of M program yet, but the U of M program doesn't have the relationship with U of M's med school, so I'd prolly do the Wayne one over the U of M one...)
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Nah I've talked to some adcoms. There's no point in continuing to do more grad school for me. If I do anything it will be get a research job and what not for a year even if I reapply. I was talking to REL and that's what he suggested. REL = UCF Adcom director. When this is all over I will also talk to Wayne's admissions people out of curiosity to see what they have to say. I get the feeling they'd be more open to talking about such.
 
Yeah, Wayne is pretty open to discussion. I have a meeting with them on the 21st about how to apply to them most successfully.
 
SisterDisco08 said:
I'm not on the list, but I've been keeping up with this thread--something you guys who don't have any acceptances yet may want to consider as a backup plan is this program through Wayne's Med School (the one at U of M is closed for applications now, but Wayne's is still open)

http://gradprograms.med.wayne.edu/program-spotlight.php?id=34

MS in Basic Medical Science. Pretty much everyone who applies gets in. 2 year program. Has a really goo track record of getting people into med school after even 1 year of it. Read on that site somewhere that ~1/3 people who do the program end up matriculating to Wayne (doesn't say total matriculation to all schools after participation in it though). Taught by med faculty, classes with M1s. I'm sure some of you have heard of it, but just a reminder as a backup!
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Yeah, this is a good program especially if you want to go to Wayne. The reason they don't have good statistics for people who end up matriculating at other medical schools after the BMS program is because people forget to tell them or whatever (there's nowhere for them to easily gather that information unless BMS graduates tell them where they are going to med school). It definitely helped me get into programs outside of Wayne too. If you have any questions about the program, let me know.
 
hey acceptees, i have a few questions. Dawn just sent out an e-mail today, giving a checklist of stuff we have to do before orientation.

1) do we have our e-mail addresses yet (in the format of [email protected])?

2) for the Criminal Background Check, it says "Criminal Background Check – Due at orientation. Either through the Certiphi website as provided by WSUSOM or Copy of report completed through Certiphi for another school."

i completed that check online and selected Wayne's med school, does that mean they have the report, or do i still have to print it out and submit it in person to them during orientation?

3) i was able to get stafford subsidized and unsubsidized loans. i completed the loan counselings and MPN 2 weeks ago, yet WSU Pipeline still says "Not Received" for the Stafford Subsidized/Unsubsidized Loan counselings and MPN. Is this normal, or should they have it by now? when i submitted the counselings and MPN, i chose just Wayne State (as instructed by the med school), not Wayne State School of Medicine. and i recall the confirmation page said it would take 24 hours for them to send out the report to the selected school. yet still the "Not Received" as of 6/8.
 
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Iniesta said:
hey acceptees, i have a few questions. Dawn just sent out an e-mail today, giving a checklist of stuff we have to do before orientation.

1) do we have our e-mail addresses yet (in the format of [email protected])?

2) for the Criminal Background Check, it says "Criminal Background Check – Due at orientation. Either through the Certiphi website as provided by WSUSOM or Copy of report completed through Certiphi for another school."

i completed that check online and selected Wayne's med school, does that mean they have the report, or do i still have to print it out and submit it in person to them during orientation?

3) i was able to get stafford subsidized and unsubsidized loans. i completed the loan counselings and MPN 2 weeks ago, yet WSU Pipeline still says “Not Received” for the Stafford Subsidized/Unsubsidized Loan counselings and MPN. Is this normal, or should they have it by now? when i submitted the counselings and MPN, i chose just Wayne State (as instructed by the med school), not Wayne State School of Medicine. and i recall the confirmation page said it would take 24 hours for them to send out the report to the selected school. yet still the "Not Received" as of 6/8.
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1) You should, they should have sent you a letter with your ID # and instructions for setting all that up.

2) I haven't done my background check for Wayne yet so I'm not sure, hopefully someone else can answer this one 🙂

3) You might want to call Dawn or go into the office if you can. If you email her a screenshot of the confirmation page (you can still access it on the website even if you have already logged off after initially completing the counseling) she will mark it as "Received."
 
sedaniel said:
1) You should, they should have sent you a letter with your ID # and instructions for setting all that up.

2) I haven't done my background check for Wayne yet so I'm not sure, hopefully someone else can answer this one 🙂

3) You might want to call Dawn or go into the office if you can. If you email her a screenshot of the confirmation page (you can still access it on the website even if you have already logged off after initially completing the counseling) she will mark it as "Received."
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thanks for your help! for the access ID, i got that set up but it's in the xx1234@wayne format, not the med.wayne.edu format that the current med students have. as far as calling Dawn that seems like a good idea.
 
Iniesta said:
thanks for your help! for the access ID, i got that set up but it's in the xx1234@wayne format, not the med.wayne.edu format that the current med students have. as far as calling Dawn that seems like a good idea.
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Hm, I'd call the tech support office (the one at the med school, not the main campus one). I had some problems with mine but I was assuming it was because I was a BMS student prior to getting accepted.

http://www.med.wayne.edu/msis/
 
for med.wayne.edu email addresses, if you don't have one already (from another med grad program or job) I think we have to wait until orientation. they are supposed to teach us about the patient privacy and all that and how to keep the med.wayne system confidential and things of that nature. I might be wrong, but I know someone who is going to be an M4 and said that's how they did it for that year.
 
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