2012-2013 Georgetown University Application Thread

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Three things I have noticed about our first year class is that there are a huge number of former student athletes, that everyone has done large amounts of community service, and a large number of students are from schools like BC, ND, Loyola Chicago, and of course Gtown. Curious to see if people with interview invites match this description.

I'm two for three on this list and interviewed Tuesday. One of the students I chatted with said one of their classmates played basketball at UNC and won a national championship...

Has anyone been able to get a student host? Early arrival time and no metro to the school. I've got friends in Rockville, MD and Alexandria, VA that I could stay with, but that'd be quite a rough morning commute.

I would HIGHLY recommend staying with a student host if possible. It was an awesome experience for me. Not only did I save a few bucks, but hanging out with a group of students the night before helped me get my bearings and feel a bit more comfortable going into the interview. They answered any questions I had very honestly, even in the case when it made Georgetown look less than perfect. The email for requesting a host is [email protected].
 
I would HIGHLY recommend staying with a student host if possible. It was an awesome experience for me. Not only did I save a few bucks, but hanging out with a group of students the night before helped me get my bearings and feel a bit more comfortable going into the interview. They answered any questions I had very honestly, even in the case when it made Georgetown look less than perfect. The email for requesting a host is [email protected].

How long before you interview date were you assigned a host? My interview isn't until Oct 22 and they acknowledged they received my request for a host, but I'm just wondering how long I should wait before I go into neurotic mode and email them again?
 
How long before you interview date were you assigned a host? My interview isn't until Oct 22 and they acknowledged they received my request for a host, but I'm just wondering how long I should wait before I go into neurotic mode and email them again?

It took a full month for the hosting service to get back to me with contact info for my host probably because they were transitioning into the new academic year. I would guess that it would take less time for you, given they are settled into a routine now.

I received confirmation that I would be staying with a student two weeks before my interview, but being a very cautious person I had a hotel reservation booked just in case.

If it were me, I would shoot them an email if I had not heard anything three weeks before the interview date.
 
does everyone go to the optional breakfast and class in the morning before the interview day???
 
I keep receiving emails from "GUMC" and getting my hopes up. xD Curse my grad school program for being in the Biomedical department!
 
Interview Invite!! So so so excited about this. Scheduled for Nov 30!!

EDIT: I was complete on 7/27. OOS, 32 MCAT, 3.62 cGPA
 
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II a few minutes ago! sooo hype about this one

OOS (but 30 min away from DC)
3.45cGPA, 30R
 
wOOT!
Interview Invite..scheduled for the 12/10 😀
 
II this morning! Very exciting, I love Georgetown!

OOS, complete 8/27
 
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II this morning! Very exciting, I love Georgetown!

31 MCAT, 3.8, OOS, complete 8/27

Congrats! And welcome to SDN! Come for the helpful posts, stay once you become too neurotic to do anything else :laugh:
 
Congrats! And welcome to SDN! Come for the helpful posts, stay once you become too neurotic to do anything else :laugh:

Heh thanks, I'm a long-time lurker and it's already occupied way too much of my time.
 
Three things I have noticed about our first year class is that there are a huge number of former student athletes, that everyone has done large amounts of community service, and a large number of students are from schools like BC, ND, Loyola Chicago, and of course Gtown. Curious to see if people with interview invites match this description.

I would say I match that description almost exactly. I am a student-athlete from a small catholic undergrad school, and I participated in a large amount of community service. I was invited to interview within a week of submitting my app and I do not have extremely strong numbers compared to many applicants (3.9 31S).

This is interesting that the student body there fits that description. Hopefully this is a good sign I LOVE Georgetown!:xf:
 
Can any current students speak to the student body at GU? Pretty competitive or laid back? Also how are you all graded? I know that can be a pretty big determining factor. Thanks!
 
Can any current students speak to the student body at GU? Pretty competitive or laid back? Also how are you all graded? I know that can be a pretty big determining factor. Thanks!

I woudn't say that students are competitive with one another but as the grading scale is H/HP/P/LP/F and is on a curve a lot of people work really hard. 90% of the class gets a Pass or above and a LP is changed to a Pass on your transcript, and is just an internal standard for the school to judge if a student is struggling. I am not a huge fan of the grading system, although it does probably make me work harder than if I just went to a P/F school. I think this system makes a big difference on boards which Gtown students due really well on. In the end, these are preclinical grades and do not really have any effect on residency as long as you do well on your boards.

The other thing I will note is that the lecturers at Gtown are phenomenal. Out of the 10-15 lecturers we have had so far, I can say there has only been one who has been mediocre.
 
Can any current students speak to the student body at GU? Pretty competitive or laid back? Also how are you all graded? I know that can be a pretty big determining factor. Thanks!

Overall, people are pretty relaxed. Fair amount of people are quite social too. I think really any person would fit in at Georgetown. As others have said, there are a fair amount of athletic people from Catholic schools (my guess is because Ortho is pretty popular).

The grading is H/HP/P/LP/F. As waterpolo said, if you get LP, it doesn't show up on your transcript that way (it shows up as P). It's just an internal marker for the bottom 10% of the class, and if you get too many, the dean's office may call you in and find out what's up and help you out. We are graded against each other and usually looks like this:

2 standard deviations above the mean or top 10%=honors
1 SD above the mean or top 25%= high pass
Middle 50% or so= Pass
1 SD below the mean or about bottom 10%= low pass
2 SD below the mean= fail

However, everyone can pass (and the majority of the class gets a P); it's not like they have to fail a certain number of people. We were told that the only ways to leave school are in a body bag or if you cheat, so don't worry about grades and failing out.

Despite the grading system, I would say that our class is pretty relaxed, and I have not sensed a great amount of competition. Sure, there are people who are aiming for honors (and you can tell), but I really haven't run into the "gunner" who would tear you down. In fact, one of the more intense students actually sent out all their study guides to the class. People share stuff all the time, and we even have googledocs that pass documents among the class and googledocs that are passed down from classes above us. Competition is not really an issue.

Yes, it is difficult if you want to get honors, and you do have to put in a ton of work to do so (usually top 10% of class get honors). Still, it is a pretty good way to distinguish yourself if you are really looking at competitive residencies. But even then, preclinical grades are so far down the list of things on a residency app that getting all P's first and second year isn't going to close any doors if you get a good step 1 score.

I'm not going to lie and say that I love the grading system. I would probably prefer a P/F, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Bottom line, it DOES NOT breed insane competition like people fear. I have never really understood why grading is such a big factor for people. There are so many other more important things to worry about that I think I Georgetown has (curriculum, good clinical training, awesome location, etc). There are so many reasons to choose the school, and the grading system, while not perfect, should be far from a deciding factor.
 
Overall, people are pretty relaxed. Fair amount of people are quite social too. I think really any person would fit in at Georgetown. As others have said, there are a fair amount of athletic people from Catholic schools (my guess is because Ortho is pretty popular).

The grading is H/HP/P/LP/F. As waterpolo said, if you get LP, it doesn't show up on your transcript that way (it shows up as P). It's just an internal marker for the bottom 10% of the class, and if you get too many, the dean's office may call you in and find out what's up and help you out. We are graded against each other and usually looks like this:

2 standard deviations above the mean or top 10%=honors
1 SD above the mean or top 25%= high pass
Middle 50% or so= Pass
1 SD below the mean or about bottom 10%= low pass
2 SD below the mean= fail

However, everyone can pass (and the majority of the class gets a P); it's not like they have to fail a certain number of people. We were told that the only ways to leave school are in a body bag or if you cheat, so don't worry about grades and failing out.

Despite the grading system, I would say that our class is pretty relaxed, and I have not sensed a great amount of competition. Sure, there are people who are aiming for honors (and you can tell), but I really haven't run into the "gunner" who would tear you down. In fact, one of the more intense students actually sent out all their study guides to the class. People share stuff all the time, and we even have googledocs that pass documents among the class and googledocs that are passed down from classes above us. Competition is not really an issue.

Yes, it is difficult if you want to get honors, and you do have to put in a ton of work to do so (usually top 10% of class get honors). Still, it is a pretty good way to distinguish yourself if you are really looking at competitive residencies. But even then, preclinical grades are so far down the list of things on a residency app that getting all P's first and second year isn't going to close any doors if you get a good step 1 score.

I'm not going to lie and say that I love the grading system. I would probably prefer a P/F, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Bottom line, it DOES NOT breed insane competition like people fear. I have never really understood why grading is such a big factor for people. There are so many other more important things to worry about that I think I Georgetown has (curriculum, good clinical training, awesome location, etc). There are so many reasons to choose the school, and the grading system, while not perfect, should be far from a deciding factor.

This is why Georgetown is one of my top choices. I just wish the tuition and housing wouldn't be so expensive...especially since I want to go into pediatrics 🙁
 
There are so many other more important things to worry about that I think I Georgetown has (curriculum, good clinical training, awesome location, etc). There are so many reasons to choose the school, and the grading system, while not perfect, should be far from a deciding factor.

This is a good point to keep in mind while weighing different schools. I tend think there would be a fairly direct correlation between a curved grading system and a competitive student body, and I've been taking it into consideration as I interview at schools. I'd rather get a number grade without a curve. Grading on a curve seems like an unnecessary way to motivate students who have already clearly demonstrated their motivation and commitment.

Anyways, thanks for the insight. Looking forward to seeing Georgetown on Tuesday!
 
Hey, anybody knows the approximate time people hear back from Gtown? I completed on 08/30/12.
 
Hey, anybody knows the approximate time people hear back from Gtown? I completed on 08/30/12.

I think you should hear about an interview soon, as I was complete 8/27 and got an interview invitation on Friday.
 
Does anyone know if the interview is open or closed file? It seems about 50/50 on SDN's interview feedback page...
 
Does anyone know if the interview is open or closed file? It seems about 50/50 on SDN's interview feedback page...

Interviewed here last week. The interviewer has access to only your Personal Statement and AMCAS activities. No letters, no secondary, no numbers
 
Interviewed here last week. The interviewer has access to only your Personal Statement and AMCAS activities. No letters, no secondary, no numbers
Thanks! That's a great way of doing it, actually.
 
Overall, people are pretty relaxed. Fair amount of people are quite social too. I think really any person would fit in at Georgetown. As others have said, there are a fair amount of athletic people from Catholic schools (my guess is because Ortho is pretty popular).

The grading is H/HP/P/LP/F. As waterpolo said, if you get LP, it doesn't show up on your transcript that way (it shows up as P). It's just an internal marker for the bottom 10% of the class, and if you get too many, the dean's office may call you in and find out what's up and help you out. We are graded against each other and usually looks like this:

2 standard deviations above the mean or top 10%=honors
1 SD above the mean or top 25%= high pass
Middle 50% or so= Pass
1 SD below the mean or about bottom 10%= low pass
2 SD below the mean= fail

However, everyone can pass (and the majority of the class gets a P); it's not like they have to fail a certain number of people. We were told that the only ways to leave school are in a body bag or if you cheat, so don't worry about grades and failing out.

Despite the grading system, I would say that our class is pretty relaxed, and I have not sensed a great amount of competition. Sure, there are people who are aiming for honors (and you can tell), but I really haven't run into the "gunner" who would tear you down. In fact, one of the more intense students actually sent out all their study guides to the class. People share stuff all the time, and we even have googledocs that pass documents among the class and googledocs that are passed down from classes above us. Competition is not really an issue.

Yes, it is difficult if you want to get honors, and you do have to put in a ton of work to do so (usually top 10% of class get honors). Still, it is a pretty good way to distinguish yourself if you are really looking at competitive residencies. But even then, preclinical grades are so far down the list of things on a residency app that getting all P's first and second year isn't going to close any doors if you get a good step 1 score.

I'm not going to lie and say that I love the grading system. I would probably prefer a P/F, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Bottom line, it DOES NOT breed insane competition like people fear. I have never really understood why grading is such a big factor for people. There are so many other more important things to worry about that I think I Georgetown has (curriculum, good clinical training, awesome location, etc). There are so many reasons to choose the school, and the grading system, while not perfect, should be far from a deciding factor.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think Georgetown is competitive. Very cut throat. It's the truth don't let anyone tell you different.
 
You are kidding yourself if you don't think Georgetown is competitive. Very cut throat. It's the truth don't let anyone tell you different.

Many of the students I spoke to last week (albeit they were mostly first and second years) did not think it was any worse than the pass/fail institutions their friends were attending. Of course, I doubt they would have been enthusiastically doing tours if they felt like Georgetown was cutthroat.

So from your perspective, is it the grading system or the culture of the school that results in the cutthroat behavior? Do you believe Georgetown is worse than other schools in this regard?
 
Kids that don't really mind getting Passes or have the "P=MD" mentality will tell you its not competitive.

Its an east coast school filled with Georgetown, ND, Columbia and other ivy kids. You do the math.
 
Kids that don't really mind getting Passes or have the "P=MD" mentality will tell you its not competitive.

Its an east coast school filled with Georgetown, ND, Columbia and other ivy kids. You do the math.

Thanks for your perspective! Sometimes interview days are really stacked with fresh-faced first years who haven't had time to understand the true nature of the school they're attending.
 
Thanks for your perspective! Sometimes interview days are really stacked with fresh-faced first years who haven't had time to understand the true nature of the school they're attending.

I found this to be particularly true at Georgetown. We met MS1's and MS2's throughout the day, in the morning before class and on the tour, but never really talked with any 3rd or 4th year students. This was a bit disconcerting since the presentations given during the interview day heavily emphasized the importance of the clinical years in choosing a school...
 
I found this to be particularly true at Georgetown. We met MS1's and MS2's throughout the day, in the morning before class and on the tour, but never really talked with any 3rd or 4th year students. This was a bit disconcerting since the presentations given during the interview day heavily emphasized the importance of the clinical years in choosing a school...

Yeah, our group had the same experience. Didn't come across a single 3rd or 4th year the entire day! Fortunately, my interviewer was a 4th year, so he was able to give some good feedback.
 
Yeah, our group had the same experience. Didn't come across a single 3rd or 4th year the entire day! Fortunately, my interviewer was a 4th year, so he was able to give some good feedback.

3rd and 4th years are busy with rotations. I never see them around the school. Its just the way it is.
 
You are kidding yourself if you don't think Georgetown is competitive. Very cut throat. It's the truth don't let anyone tell you different.

Kids that don't really mind getting Passes or have the "P=MD" mentality will tell you its not competitive.

Its an east coast school filled with Georgetown, ND, Columbia and other ivy kids. You do the math.

What kind of competition are we talking about here? And competitive compared to what?

Of course there is competition. There are always gunners and competitive people. There are always going to be people who ask lots of questions and talk to every professor and do all this research and yada, yada, yada. This will be true at every single med school. Every school I interviewed at said they had these. This is not unique to Georgetown.

And I did say that it is very difficult to do well if you want to do more than just pass. This also isn't unique to Georgetown. That doesn't mean that people are passing out fake study guides or ripping pages out of library books.

Competition to get good grades (which exists) is different than competition by pushing others down (which I have not witnessed).

Might it occur? Maybe. I haven't heard about any in two years. But it's not like everyone is running around, ignoring each other, and glaring at each other. People are friendly and willing to share study guides (and they just might get a 98%).

Everyone should walk into any med school and expect that the vast majority of people are trying to do better then everyone else. That's the nature of the beast. That doesn't mean there can't be a collaborative atmosphere.

And if people don't want to be friendly or collaborative, ignore them. That's life.
 
3rd and 4th years are busy with rotations. I never see them around the school. Its just the way it is.

Understandable. I was just a bit disappointed that we were not given the opportunity to discuss 3rd and 4th year with any students who actually have the necessary context and experience for a detailed response.
 
What kind of competition are we talking about here? And competitive compared to what?

Of course there is competition. There are always gunners and competitive people. There are always going to be people who ask lots of questions and talk to every professor and do all this research and yada, yada, yada. This will be true at every single med school. Every school I interviewed at said they had these. This is not unique to Georgetown.

And I did say that it is very difficult to do well if you want to do more than just pass. This also isn't unique to Georgetown. That doesn't mean that people are passing out fake study guides or ripping pages out of library books.

Competition to get good grades (which exists) is different than competition by pushing others down (which I have not witnessed).

Might it occur? Maybe. I haven't heard about any in two years. But it's not like everyone is running around, ignoring each other, and glaring at each other. People are friendly and willing to share study guides (and they just might get a 98%).

Everyone should walk into any med school and expect that the vast majority of people are trying to do better then everyone else. That's the nature of the beast. That doesn't mean there can't be a collaborative atmosphere.

And if people don't want to be friendly or collaborative, ignore them. That's life.

Exactly. Which you have not witnessed.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match over this. Georgetown is extremely competitive due to the grading system... that's all I will say.
 
What do you guys suggest for low mcat/low gpa OOS student who has very strong extracurriculars and essays? Try it or no? I have the secondary.........and I am waiting for my MCAT score (i think I did better than the 29 I got the first time, but think I got very low verbal...).
 
Exactly. Which you have not witnessed.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match over this. Georgetown is extremely competitive due to the grading system... that's all I will say.

That has not been my experience, and I am not a P=MD person either.

I don't want to get into a pissing match either. I'm sharing my experience, where competition has not been a problem. Yes, it is intense because it is med school, and med students are competitive, but I have not seen anyone screwing anyone else over. I don't doubt that it happens (like it does at schools across the country), but I imagine if it was a huge issue, I would have some inkling of it. Maybe I don't spend enough time in DML.

One of the reasons I responded is because Gtown is consistently being trashed on SDN. I try to balance that out with what has been my very positive experience. If you have a different experience, certainly share it. However leaving short, vague, and negative statements is not extremely productive.
 
What do you guys suggest for low mcat/low gpa OOS student who has very strong extracurriculars and essays? Try it or no? I have the secondary.........and I am waiting for my MCAT score (i think I did better than the 29 I got the first time, but think I got very low verbal...).

My gpa is lower than the accepted median, and my mcat verbal is an 8 (that too on the second try). But I think I have some fairly meaningful and strong extracurriculars and had a strong personal statement to tie it all together. And now I'll be interviewing there in 2 weeks 🙂 So I'd say go for it :luck:
 
Honestly, the competition at georgetown is not too bad, and this is from someone who definately isn't the P=MD mentality. With 10-15% of the class getting honors and 20-25% a HP, that is 35-40% of the class who get a HP or H on each course. People probably work harder at Georgetown because of these distinctions but people always work together and help one another as well. In the end, I think this grading system is really valuable in two ways. It pushes you to work harder and thus do better on the boards, and if you want to try and disinguish yourself in a class this grading scale is an added bonus.

I spent a year at a school notorious for cutthroat pre-med students and can honestly say that the first year class at is really cohesive and not cutthroat in any way. Everyone is smart, and you will have to work your ass off at Gtown if you want to get a HP or H, but the same thing is true at any medical school ifyou want to be near the top of your class.
 
What do you guys suggest for low mcat/low gpa OOS student who has very strong extracurriculars and essays? Try it or no? I have the secondary.........and I am waiting for my MCAT score (i think I did better than the 29 I got the first time, but think I got very low verbal...).

I would give it a shot, but make sure you make it worth the money by making the "why goergetown" essay really really outstanding.
 
does anyone know if reapplicants are at a disadvantage when applying to GT med. does georgetown wait till later on in the application cycle to offers them interviews despite the time they are complete. any knowledge would be greatly appreciated. thanks
 
does anyone know if reapplicants are at a disadvantage when applying to GT med. does georgetown wait till later on in the application cycle to offers them interviews despite the time they are complete. any knowledge would be greatly appreciated. thanks
I'm a reapplicant to Georgetown this year and was offered an interview a week after my complete date. So no, I don't think that reapplicants are at a disadvantage in terms of the interview dates.
 
I'm a reapplicant to Georgetown this year and was offered an interview a week after my complete date. So no, I don't think that reapplicants are at a disadvantage in terms of the interview dates.

+1

I was rejected pre-interview last year, and this year, I was invited to interview quite early in the cycle.
 
just interviewed here, today. loved a lot of things, was surprised (some pleasant, some not so pleasant) by some things, and was left confused about some things. overall a good day.
 
just interviewed here, today. loved a lot of things, was surprised (some pleasant, some not so pleasant) by some things, and was left confused about some things. overall a good day.

Do you mind elaborating a little more?
 
just interviewed here, today. loved a lot of things, was surprised (some pleasant, some not so pleasant) by some things, and was left confused about some things. overall a good day.

I have to admit, I wasn't so keen on G-town initially because they are a Catholic school (I'm atheist), but they really sold me at my interview. What didn't you like? 😕
 
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