2012-2013 University of Utah Application Thread

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The admissions office sent me an email this morning warning me about the approaching deadline for secondary completion, which for me is 9/23. I'm an Idaho applicant and will be using my residency verification from UWSOM to meet the Utah requirement. Has anybody had any difficulty getting their status verified in less than two weeks? I'm wondering if I should already be working with the admissions office to make sure I don't miss the completion deadline.
 
Yes, you delete all but what you want to fulfill the requirement, leaving only the required course(s).

Okay, so how do you decide which ones you want to leave (given you have 10-15 that could apply)? Does it matter which ones you choose? Do you go for the classes you got better grades in?
 
Okay, so how do you decide which ones you want to leave (given you have 10-15 that could apply)? Does it matter which ones you choose? Do you go for the classes you got better grades in?

Yeah, I chose the highest division courses with the highest grades that fulfilled the requirement. I also used biochem from the chemistry department to fulfill that requirement even though it's listed under biology.I mean, biochem is biochem, right?

Anyway, it's up to you. As long as it fits the description, you're fine.
 
Me and my buddy got II's!!
Don't know when we were complete, but buddy and I submitted between 8/10 and 8/15. We're IS.
 
I am interviewing here on Friday (9/14). I'll be sure to update afterwards and tell you about my experience.
 
So....in the secondary under research, does "published" only mean manuscript publications? Or can it also include posters and/or oral presentations at conferences?
 
So....in the secondary under research, does "published" only mean manuscript publications? Or can it also include posters and/or oral presentations at conferences?

Did you submit your hypothesis-based research to a medium for rigorous peer-review? Was your written work critically scrutinized by other scientists for citations and other evidence-based claims? Was it then considered for publication after it was thoroughly fact-checked and approved? If you include posters/presentations/conferences as "publications", you'll get laughed out of the room by an interviewer or otherwise heavily grilled into embarassment.
 
Did you submit your hypothesis-based research to a medium for rigorous peer-review? Was your written work critically scrutinized by other scientists for citations and other evidence-based claims? Was it then considered for publication after it was thoroughly fact-checked and approved? If you include posters/presentations/conferences as "publications", you'll get laughed out of the room by an interviewer or otherwise heavily grilled into embarassment.
Point served....and taken. I have several manuscripts published. I get it. I just hate that presenting a first author talk at a national neurosurgical conference is indistinguishable from a college poster presented at local symposia. You know?
 
Point served....and taken. I have several manuscripts published. I get it. I just hate that presenting a first author talk at a national neurosurgical conference is indistinguishable from a college poster presented at local symposia. You know?

If you included that conference (complete with details) in the primary, the interviewer will be able to tell college BS from the legitimate stuff. After talking to my PI I'm getting the impression that the meat of her information is coming from the activities section of the primary.
 
If you included that conference (complete with details) in the primary, the interviewer will be able to tell college BS from the legitimate stuff. After talking to my PI I'm getting the impression that the meat of her information is coming from the activities section of the primary.
Yeah, it just dawned on me that the entire purpose of this section is to ensure we meet their hour requirements. Nevermind. I did include my big stuff in the primary even though it's limited by characters and 15 experiences. So I added a link to my online scientific profile so they could see everything. Thank goodness for the intergoogles.
 
Congrat, when did you submit your secondary? Oos applicant? what's your stat (only if you don't mind sharing). I just submitted mine two days ago.
Sorry it took so long for me to respond. Here is my stats:

In-state
MCAT: 32
GPA: 3.9
Research: Above Ave.
Clinical: Above Ave.
Extracurricular: Above Ave.
Leadership: Above Ave.
Physician Shadowing: Average
Service: Below Average

The two MDs who interviewed me were really nice, although the 4th year student asked several difficult questions based on hypothetical situations. In the end the interviews were a lot better than I expected. Just relax and enjoy the day.
 
Sorry it took so long for me to respond. Here is my stats:

In-state
MCAT: 32
GPA: 3.9
Research: Above Ave.
Clinical: Above Ave.
Extracurricular: Above Ave.
Leadership: Above Ave.
Physician Shadowing: Average
Service: Below Average

The two MDs who interviewed me were really nice, although the 4th year student asked several difficult questions based on hypothetical situations. In the end the interviews were a lot better than I expected. Just relax and enjoy the day.

What were those tough questions??
 
What were those tough questions??
#1 What is your favorite ice cream? Okay, hypothetically speaking, what body part would you give-up if there was only one bowl left on Earth?

#2 If you could buy a toaster, any toaster, what color would it be?

🙂

j/k I'm just trying to be funny to shake off my first rejection, albeit an expected one. I hope I didn't fail too bad.
 
Are there any other MD/PhD applicants out there? Any idea on the time frame for interviews? It looks like last year only one person posted about an interview invite and they didn't receive it until Dec. 31st... I'm hoping it doesn't really take that long.

Also, if anyone has any idea on the stats for MD/PhD students at Utah, please share. Basically, I'll take any information about the program I can get.
 
What were those tough questions??
Say there is a lady who was having a home birth, however, after 24 hours of labor, the midwife decided something might be wrong and sent her to the hospital. She gets there and finds out that the baby's position was causing too much intracranial pressure, which in turn was restricting the blood flow to the brain. After the baby was born it was confirmed that the baby had brain damage. Now let's say you are the obstetrician and you knew that if the midwife would have sent her to the hospital earlier, the baby would have been fine. If the mother looks at you and asks, "was it the midwife's fault that my baby has brain damage?" What would you say?

Then as a follow up question

Let's pretend you said, "Yes, it was the midwifes fault. She should have known better. She is a bad caregiver… etc." and then the midwife hears about it and confronts you. She yells, "Why did you say that about me? I am good at what I do… etc." What would you say back to the midwife?


This was probably the most difficult question and I don't know if anyone else was asked anything similar to this. But you shouldn't worry about it. All you need to do is be honest and use good moral judgment. I personal don't believe physicians should place blame but instead try to cooperate with all members of the healthcare team.

In my opinion, the best preparation you can do for a interview is know yourself. Know your motivations, your experiences that gave you those motivations, and what you have learned about yourself along the way.
 
I was very pleased with my interview day experience. First, it is important that you are there by 7:40 because the orientation starts at 7:45. The orientation was mostly about the admissions process and how competitive it is to get into the U. They explained that after interview day there are no status updates until you get a letter that either says you've been accepted, rejected, or put on the wait list.

After the orientation interviews start at 8:30. You will have 3 interviews during that day. Two of them are with faculty and one is with a 4th year student. It seemed to me that they tailored the interviewers to parts of my application. For example, I have done biochem research during my undergrad, so one of the faculty was a biochem researcher who works at the medical school. I also had quite a bit of international experience, and the second faculty (he was an MD) also had international experience. Overall I feel that the interviewers were fair. I did not have any ethical questions like have been posted above. All of my questions were about my application. The interviewers only get to see your AMCAS personal statement and activities, the U of U Secondary materials, and your letters of recommendation. This means that they do not see your MCAT or GPA, and you are told not to bring them up. Each interviewer did a good job at answering questions that I had. I especially found the 4th year interviewer to be the best at this because she knew more than just the typical admissions information.

After the interviews you are taken on a tour of the new (circa 2005) health science education building. I was very impressed with the facilities and the opportunities available to the students in the new building. After the tour you go to lunch with second year students. This is very informal and you are allowed to ask any questions that you might have. They tell you that this will not effect your application at all, so feel free to ask anything. After lunch, most people in the group were finished because they had all of their interviews before lunch. There were 3 (of 8) who still had one interview after lunch, but it didn't seem to be a big deal.

Overall the interview day was a great experience. The admissions staff is very kind and friendly. They do a good job at helping diffuse any stress, and are willing to help with anything that you might need during the day. The U has a great medical school, and I would love to go there if accepted. Unfortunately I wont find anything out until March. Hopefully this helps those of you who have interviews there soon.
 
Are there any other MD/PhD applicants out there? Any idea on the time frame for interviews? It looks like last year only one person posted about an interview invite and they didn't receive it until Dec. 31st... I'm hoping it doesn't really take that long.

Also, if anyone has any idea on the stats for MD/PhD students at Utah, please share. Basically, I'll take any information about the program I can get.

Fellow MD/PhD applicant here. Scroll back through the thread. We had a discussion about this earlier. Good luck.

Say there is a lady who was having a home birth, however, after 24 hours of labor, the midwife decided something might be wrong and sent her to the hospital. She gets there and finds out that the baby’s position was causing too much intracranial pressure, which in turn was restricting the blood flow to the brain. After the baby was born it was confirmed that the baby had brain damage. Now let’s say you are the obstetrician and you knew that if the midwife would have sent her to the hospital earlier, the baby would have been fine. If the mother looks at you and asks, “was it the midwife’s fault that my baby has brain damage?” What would you say?

Then as a follow up question

Let’s pretend you said, “Yes, it was the midwifes fault. She should have known better. She is a bad caregiver… etc.” and then the midwife hears about it and confronts you. She yells, “Why did you say that about me? I am good at what I do… etc.” What would you say back to the midwife?


This was probably the most difficult question and I don't know if anyone else was asked anything similar to this. But you shouldn't worry about it. All you need to do is be honest and use good moral judgment. I personal don't believe physicians should place blame but instead try to cooperate with all members of the healthcare team.

In my opinion, the best preparation you can do for a interview is know yourself. Know your motivations, your experiences that gave you those motivations, and what you have learned about yourself along the way.
Awesome question, so much better than presenting a clinical conundrum and expecting me to pull a solution out of my butt. I had two physicians do that to me last year. I guess I'm better prepared for those now.

I was very pleased with my interview day experience. First, it is important that you are there by 7:40 because the orientation starts at 7:45. The orientation was mostly about the admissions process and how competitive it is to get into the U. They explained that after interview day there are no status updates until you get a letter that either says you've been accepted, rejected, or put on the wait list.

After the orientation interviews start at 8:30. You will have 3 interviews during that day. Two of them are with faculty and one is with a 4th year student. It seemed to me that they tailored the interviewers to parts of my application. For example, I have done biochem research during my undergrad, so one of the faculty was a biochem researcher who works at the medical school. I also had quite a bit of international experience, and the second faculty (he was an MD) also had international experience. Overall I feel that the interviewers were fair. I did not have any ethical questions like have been posted above. All of my questions were about my application. The interviewers only get to see your AMCAS personal statement and activities, the U of U Secondary materials, and your letters of recommendation. This means that they do not see your MCAT or GPA, and you are told not to bring them up. Each interviewer did a good job at answering questions that I had. I especially found the 4th year interviewer to be the best at this because she knew more than just the typical admissions information.

After the interviews you are taken on a tour of the new (circa 2005) health science education building. I was very impressed with the facilities and the opportunities available to the students in the new building. After the tour you go to lunch with second year students. This is very informal and you are allowed to ask any questions that you might have. They tell you that this will not effect your application at all, so feel free to ask anything. After lunch, most people in the group were finished because they had all of their interviews before lunch. There were 3 (of 8) who still had one interview after lunch, but it didn't seem to be a big deal.

Overall the interview day was a great experience. The admissions staff is very kind and friendly. They do a good job at helping diffuse any stress, and are willing to help with anything that you might need during the day. The U has a great medical school, and I would love to go there if accepted. Unfortunately I wont find anything out until March. Hopefully this helps those of you who have interviews there soon.
Sweet, thanks for the feedback. Good luck!
 
I have a question for you guys.

For in state applicants, how long did it take you to receive an interview invite after you submitted your secondary?

Also, how many of the 8 categories did you guys score above average? I got 5 out of 8...
 
I have a question for you guys.

For in state applicants, how long did it take you to receive an interview invite after you submitted your secondary?

Also, how many of the 8 categories did you guys score above average? I got 5 out of 8...

Around a one month turnaround after completion. But I submitted my primary early and got a secondary completion within days of receiving it. The admissions office is currently being swamped by a buttload of applications. Buddy and I have about the same profile as you: 5-6 above average, everything else average. In other words, we were at least average on all 8 categories.
 
I know of many over-qualified instate students who applied early and were rejected. Even the surgeon I shadowed last winter, who attended Johns Hopkins and was a BYU undergraduate student, was rejected by the U. I also found this information in a presentation PDF file, and I am hoping somebody could confirm.
I have heard this rumor several times about the U rejecting “overqualified” applicants and it has really bothered me. I finally just asked the admission office and here is their reply:

“There is absolutely no truth to the rumor. We want strong applicants to come to our school and not select another one. Everyone who interviews at our school meets our admissions criteria and most of those people are strong applicants. Every year we interview approximately 500 applicants. Unfortunately we only have 82 positions, so there will be approximately 400 people who meet our admissions criteria that we just don’t have enough seats for.

Please feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions.”

I’m sure those who believe they were “overqualified” but were rejected simply had a high MCAT score, GPA and maybe were above average in a few other areas. But as it has been pointed out earlier, the U looks at their applicant’s very holistically. Your personal statement is just as important as your MCAT.
 
Any Idaho applicants care to share how quickly they were marked complete after having their residency verified by the reviewing institution? I'm a bit concerned about meeting the deadline.
 
I have heard this rumor several times about the U rejecting “overqualified” applicants and it has really bothered me. I finally just asked the admission office and here is their reply:

“There is absolutely no truth to the rumor. We want strong applicants to come to our school and not select another one. Everyone who interviews at our school meets our admissions criteria and most of those people are strong applicants. Every year we interview approximately 500 applicants. Unfortunately we only have 82 positions, so there will be approximately 400 people who meet our admissions criteria that we just don’t have enough seats for.

Please feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions.”

I’m sure those who believe they were “overqualified” but were rejected simply had a high MCAT score, GPA and maybe were above average in a few other areas. But as it has been pointed out earlier, the U looks at their applicant’s very holistically. Your personal statement is just as important as your MCAT.

This is truth. Well said. Additionally, applicants with a 38 MCAT and 4.0 GPA but who don't meet minimum criteria in the other categories will be not even be offered an interview. No such thing as "overqualification" at the U.
 
Any Idaho applicants care to share how quickly they were marked complete after having their residency verified by the reviewing institution? I'm a bit concerned about meeting the deadline.
I'm not from Idaho, but I know that you have 10 days after you either submit your secondary app or that deadline you were given to get all supplementary documents in. You should call the admissions office to double check this, but I had a little mix-up with one of my letters which is how I found out. They are usually very helpful.
 
Invitation to interview today! I completed the secondary on 9/4. keep your head up everyone!
 
I'm not from Idaho, but I know that you have 10 days after you either submit your secondary app or that deadline you were given to get all supplementary documents in. You should call the admissions office to double check this, but I had a little mix-up with one of my letters which is how I found out. They are usually very helpful.

Thanks for the info! I knew about the soft deadline given in the secondary, and then the actual deadline 10 days later, but was concerned about the time it would take to the institution that certified my residency to pass that along to the U. Turns out I had nothing to be worried about and am now complete.
 
I have a very powerful experience in a new volunteer program that I didn't mention in my secondary application. Should I update the admissions office regarding this experience, or do I wait for interviews to bring it up (if I receive an interview)? It does add hours to my volunteer work and my diversity experience as well.

I would definitely recommend updating them, since that kind of thing could influence whether or not you even get an interview. Especially with Utah, since they have a broader range of factors they consider significantly in your application than most schools, you want them to have as much potentially positive detail about you as possible.
 
I definitely want to, but I thought I remembered a notice, after submitting the primary, that you were not to update them with any new experiences or whatever.

Ah... I'm not sure on that one. Your best bet would probably be to call the admissions office and ask if they want updates or not.
 
Got II from the U today probably will interview in late October.
 
Hey all UUSOM hopefuls. I though I would share some thoughts about my interview. 3 interviews: 1 MS4 and 2 faculty. My interviews were composed of questions that really aimed at elaboration on concepts I had developed in my applications and in defining things like leadership. Each interview was distinct and focused on different aspects of my application. I also interviewed with a PhD and talked at length about microbiology research I had done. The interviewers promoted a calm, low stress atmosphere and really made the experience enjoyable. There were no bizzare ethical dilemma questions. If you have an upcoming interview, just relax, be yourself, and know your application. Good Luck Everyone! 🙂
 
scratch that I'm interviewing now on Monday the 8th! Man that was fast. I had to call and request it but it looks like its a go.
 
Also, a personal observation, the MD/PhD students in our class are incredibly intelligent and I would suspect have MCAT scores to match. If you are worried about it being competitive its probably not.

I talked to a MD/PhD student at the U. His MCAT was 30 1st time and 32 on retake. Implying that "incredibly intelligent" 36+ MCAT scores (or whatever) is a little goofy. MCAT score =/= Intelligence.

As a physician, you will provide care to many, many, many intelligent people who don't care one iota about the MCAT and who would score poorly if they tried.
 
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Hey all UUSOM hopefuls. I though I would share some thoughts about my interview. 3 interviews: 1 MS4 and 2 faculty. My interviews were composed of questions that really aimed at elaboration on concepts I had developed in my applications and in defining things like leadership. Each interview was distinct and focused on different aspects of my application. I also interviewed with a PhD and talked at length about microbiology research I had done. The interviewers promoted a calm, low stress atmosphere and really made the experience enjoyable. There were no bizzare ethical dilemma questions. If you have an upcoming interview, just relax, be yourself, and know your application. Good Luck Everyone! 🙂

I agree with the statement and had a very similar experience. I think the U has changed a lot of things lately and for the better. Expect a great interviewing day. They are also hopeful to be getting the funding for the extra 20 seats for this years class and said they will find out by February.
 
I agree with the statement and had a very similar experience. I think the U has changed a lot of things lately and for the better. Expect a great interviewing day. They are also hopeful to be getting the funding for the extra 20 seats for this years class and said they will find out by February.

That would be huge! Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.
 
I agree with the statement and had a very similar experience. I think the U has changed a lot of things lately and for the better. Expect a great interviewing day. They are also hopeful to be getting the funding for the extra 20 seats for this years class and said they will find out by February.

They said something similar during my orientation. I hope the legislature grants it this year!
 
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Any new interview stories/updates?
After much hassle with one of my LOR writers neglecting to use letter head and explicitly saying she taught me (/complaining), I just received the notice that my app is being processed and that I'll hear an update in 4 to 6 weeks.
 
I just received an email saying that the MD/PhD committee's next meeting is in January, at which time they'll review my application. I guess they meet according to a different schedule than the regular MD admissions. Any other MD/PhD applicants interview yet?

GL everyone.
 
I just received an email saying that the MD/PhD committee's next meeting is in January, at which time they'll review my application. I guess they meet according to a different schedule than the regular MD admissions. Any other MD/PhD applicants interview yet?

GL everyone.

Was this in response to an email from you or was it an auto email?
 
Correction: The PhD committee will review my application in January, not the MD committee. I guess they're entirely separate committees that communicate with each other.
 
Same here! Got one today as well! Oos (strong state ties). Trying to schedule it for sometime in November

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