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Preliminary Financial aid packages are released in March... does anyone know if that’s typically early or late March? Or does it completely vary?


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Lannister said:
No. P/F with ranking first two years, then H/HP/P/F for the clinical years.
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Okay great, thanks. Planning to attend here in the Fall but saw a post somewhere saying U Cincinnati had grades for pre clinical too.
Crisis averted :clap:
 
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SandyPants said:
Okay great, thanks. Planning to attend here in the Fall but saw a post somewhere saying U Cincinnati had grades for pre clinical too.
Crisis averted :clap:
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They use P/F, but they also keep tabs on grades for class ranking purposes. At least, that’s what I was told at my interview.
 
Klondike the Polar Bear said:
They use P/F, but they also keep tabs on grades for class ranking purposes. At least, that’s what I was told at my interview.
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To what extent does this “defeat the purpose” of getting rid of grades though? I feel like it completely would. But idk bc I’m not a med student yet


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Lannister said:
No. P/F with ranking first two years, then H/HP/P/F for the clinical years.
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Do you think you could speak to how it is with internal ranking grading system? Is it a dealbreaker vs a true P/F? Does it impedes collaboration among your classmates?
 
KdotLB said:
To what extent does this “defeat the purpose” of getting rid of grades though? I feel like it completely would. But idk bc I’m not a med student yet


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Agree that it defeats the purpose in a way. It makes it a little bit better that they only rank you into quartiles, so you don't know your actual numerical rank.

Despite the ranking, I don't feel like Cincinnati is a particularly competitive school.
 
californiapremed21 said:
Do you think you could speak to how it is with internal ranking grading system? Is it a dealbreaker vs a true P/F? Does it impedes collaboration among your classmates?
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I really don't think it impedes collaboration. I want all my classmates to succeed, and I feel like they all want me to succeed as well. People are always sharing resources on our Facebook page and GroupMe.

The only negative I think is that the ranking means you need to focus more on lecture material than board review, because grades still matter. That being said, last year the step 1 average at UCCOM was a 241 which is one of the highest in the country, so obviously it doesn't really affect much in the end!
 
Lannister said:
I really don't think it impedes collaboration. I want all my classmates to succeed, and I feel like they all want me to succeed as well. People are always sharing resources on our Facebook page and GroupMe.

The only negative I think is that the ranking means you need to focus more on lecture material than board review, because grades still matter. That being said, last year the step 1 average at UCCOM was a 241 which is one of the highest in the country, so obviously it doesn't really affect much in the end!
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Not to belabor the point too much, but what is the purpose of this system? Do these quartiles go on your academic record or is it more for personal use to track how you are doing amongst the class?
 
SandyPants said:
Not to belabor the point too much, but what is the purpose of this system? Do these quartiles go on your academic record or is it more for personal use to track how you are doing amongst the class?
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The reasoning I've heard from many people is that Cincinnati does not have a strong enough reputation to do true P/F. It's easy for Harvard or similar schools to do true P/F because program directors can assume that all of their students are outstanding. But for mid tier schools, it is important to be able to distinguish the top applicants from average or below-average applicants. I'm sure there are other reasons, but this is what I've heard.

And yes, your quartiles goes on your academic record and is reported to residency programs.
 
KdotLB said:
Preliminary Financial aid packages are released in March... does anyone know if that’s typically early or late March? Or does it completely vary?


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Piggybacking on this, I was wondering if anyone else doesn’t have the FAFSA box checked on their financial aid page? All of my stuff has been received except that but that’s the first thing I took care of a few months ago
 
dhovaking said:
Piggybacking on this, I was wondering if anyone else doesn’t have the FAFSA box checked on their financial aid page? All of my stuff has been received except that but that’s the first thing I took care of a few months ago
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I asked them about this and they told me not to worry about it. I took their word for it. Lol


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dhovaking said:
Piggybacking on this, I was wondering if anyone else doesn’t have the FAFSA box checked on their financial aid page? All of my stuff has been received except that but that’s the first thing I took care of a few months ago
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Mine is also not checked. But after I emailed my 2016 tax info they said my financial aid application is complete, so I am assuming they’ve received the FAFSA


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Hey current students, how many people are allowed to attend the white coat ceremony? Like if I wanted to bring parents and SO?
 
Also, is it true the MSSP programs are super selective? I was interested in doing one but they only except like 1-3 students depending on the program according to the information I found 🙁 I could have sworn my student tour guide said that as long as you met the requirements you qualified
 
dhovaking said:
Also, is it true the MSSP programs are super selective? I was interested in doing one but they only except like 1-3 students depending on the program according to the information I found 🙁 I could have sworn my student tour guide said that as long as you met the requirements you qualified
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Quoted from the MSSP application:
o Cardiovascular Medicine (accepts 1 M1 students)
o Emergency Medicine (accepts 2 M1 students)
o Geriatrics (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Psychiatry-Behavioral Neuroscience (accepts < 3 M1 students)
o Neuroscience (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Nutrition (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Women's Health (accepts 2 M1 students)
 
SandyPants said:
Quoted from the MSSP application:
o Cardiovascular Medicine (accepts 1 M1 students)
o Emergency Medicine (accepts 2 M1 students)
o Geriatrics (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Psychiatry-Behavioral Neuroscience (accepts < 3 M1 students)
o Neuroscience (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Nutrition (accepts < 8 M1 students)
o Women's Health (accepts 2 M1 students)
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Ah, maybe they were talking about something else then.

Another random question: does UCCOM offer free access to Microsoft Office like some undergrad schools do?
 
dhovaking said:
Also, is it true the MSSP programs are super selective? I was interested in doing one but they only except like 1-3 students depending on the program according to the information I found 🙁 I could have sworn my student tour guide said that as long as you met the requirements you qualified
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It probably depends on the program. I'm interested in the Nutrition MSSP, and a student at my interview told me that it is mildly competitive. On the other hand, I've heard that EM and Women's Health are very competitive.
 
Fossa said:
It probably depends on the program. I'm interested in the Nutrition MSSP, and a student at my interview told me that it is mildly competitive. On the other hand, I've heard that EM and Women's Health are very competitive.
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Yikes, I’m interested in the women’s health one. It looks sooooooooo awesome
 
Will be withdrawing my acceptance, hope it goes to one of you guys on the WL good luck!!
 
dhovaking said:
Hey current students, how many people are allowed to attend the white coat ceremony? Like if I wanted to bring parents and SO?
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You can get plenty of tickets; parents & a SO won't be a problem.

dhovaking said:
Also, is it true the MSSP programs are super selective? I was interested in doing one but they only except like 1-3 students depending on the program according to the information I found 🙁 I could have sworn my student tour guide said that as long as you met the requirements you qualified
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It depends on the MSSP. The peds program works like you were told--if you meet all the requirements at the end of your schooling you are awarded the designation. Other tracks have an application & interview process up-front in M1 year. Some are more selective than others.

dhovaking said:
Ah, maybe they were talking about something else then.

Another random question: does UCCOM offer free access to Microsoft Office like some undergrad schools do?
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Yes.
 
DrDr said:
You can get plenty of tickets; parents & a SO won't be a problem.


It depends on the MSSP. The peds program works like you were told--if you meet all the requirements at the end of your schooling you are awarded the designation. Other tracks have an application & interview process up-front in M1 year. Some are more selective than others.


Yes.
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Awesome, thanks! One last question (hopefully) - does cinci have a dissection lab? Some schools are moving away from dissections and I didn't think to ask at the interview
 
dhovaking said:
Awesome, thanks! One last question (hopefully) - does cinci have a dissection lab? Some schools are moving away from dissections and I didn't think to ask at the interview
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Ask away, happy to help. While there are prosections to see certain specific structures, we primarily learn from hands-on dissections. We dissect in groups of 3 and there are 2 groups to a cadaver. So, for example, you'll work in your group of 3 to dissect the axilla one day and on a different day the other group will dissect the posterior arm/shoulder, and then all 6 of you will get together and each group will teach each other about the anatomy they dissected.
 
I also have some questions!

1. How much dedicated time is given for Step 1? When do students take it?
2. Is there anywhere I can find last year's match list? Not just specialties, but also the programs students matched to? Or, will this upcoming match list be available?
3. How do students go about scheduling interviews during 4th year? Does Cinci give a stretch of time off to attend interviews or are students meant to just request the time off from rotations when they need to attend an interview? If the latter, is the school/rotation directors pretty understanding and flexible about this or do students have to be selective in which interviews they choose to attend?
4. How are grades determined for clinical years? Only based on shelf performance or are evaluations factored in, too? If evals are a part of it the final grade, what is the weight of shelf vs. evals?
 
meddymed said:
I also have some questions!

1. How much dedicated time is given for Step 1? When do students take it?
2. Is there anywhere I can find last year's match list? Not just specialties, but also the programs students matched to? Or, will this upcoming match list be available?
3. How do students go about scheduling interviews during 4th year? Does Cinci give a stretch of time off to attend interviews or are students meant to just request the time off from rotations when they need to attend an interview? If the latter, is the school/rotation directors pretty understanding and flexible about this or do students have to be selective in which interviews they choose to attend?
4. How are grades determined for clinical years? Only based on shelf performance or are evaluations factored in, too? If evals are a part of it the final grade, what is the weight of shelf vs. evals?
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Not sure about the other questions, but here's last year's match list:

https://comdo-wcnlb.uc.edu/emos/studentservices/MatchSummary.aspx
 
meddymed said:
I also have some questions!

1. How much dedicated time is given for Step 1? When do students take it?
2. Is there anywhere I can find last year's match list? Not just specialties, but also the programs students matched to? Or, will this upcoming match list be available?
3. How do students go about scheduling interviews during 4th year? Does Cinci give a stretch of time off to attend interviews or are students meant to just request the time off from rotations when they need to attend an interview? If the latter, is the school/rotation directors pretty understanding and flexible about this or do students have to be selective in which interviews they choose to attend?
4. How are grades determined for clinical years? Only based on shelf performance or are evaluations factored in, too? If evals are a part of it the final grade, what is the weight of shelf vs. evals?
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Great questions, none of which I know the answer to (first year). 🙂 I'll ask around & see if any of my colleagues can help out.
 
DrDr said:
Great questions, none of which I know the answer to (first year). 🙂 I'll ask around & see if any of my colleagues can help out.
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Thank you!!!


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Current M1 here. Feel free to ask any questions!
Unfortunately I don't know the answers to questions about scheduling electives and grades in the clinical years but can answer most other things! 🙂
 
meddymed said:
I also have some questions!

1. How much dedicated time is given for Step 1? When do students take it?
2. Is there anywhere I can find last year's match list? Not just specialties, but also the programs students matched to? Or, will this upcoming match list be available?
3. How do students go about scheduling interviews during 4th year? Does Cinci give a stretch of time off to attend interviews or are students meant to just request the time off from rotations when they need to attend an interview? If the latter, is the school/rotation directors pretty understanding and flexible about this or do students have to be selective in which interviews they choose to attend?
4. How are grades determined for clinical years? Only based on shelf performance or are evaluations factored in, too? If evals are a part of it the final grade, what is the weight of shelf vs. evals?
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Dedicated is 7 weeks (almost everyone takes 1-2 weeks of vacation, but you can use the full time if you want).

You get three months off during M4 to study for step and go on interviews.

As for clinical grades, not 100% sure but I wanna say it's 50-50 shelf and evals. Evals are definitely taken into account but I might be wrong about the percentages.

Edit: Just looked it up, evals are 50% with the other 50% being shelf (25%) and a "physical exam" (15%), which I assume is an OSCE. And then "other assignments" is 10%, whatever that is. Only exception is IM where your eval counts for 60% of your grade.
 
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What does the normal M1/M2 class/daily schedule look like? Classes from when to when? Are all lectures recorded? Is this any small group-type learning?
 
Chemistry18 said:
What does the normal M1/M2 class/daily schedule look like? Classes from when to when? Are all lectures recorded? Is this any small group-type learning?
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M1 Fall:
First responder: first two weeks after orientation. Classes from 8-5 every day, but a very easy class.
Physician and society: three weeks. Classes from 8-12pm. Some mandatory afternoon stuff (LC, etc.)
Fundamentals of molecular: 7 weeks (iirc). Classes from 8-12pm, almost always 4 lectures/day. Afternoons are generally free except for 2 hours of LC on monday or tuesday, and an hour of clinical skills one day/week.
Fundamentals of cellular: 7 weeks. Same schedule as molecular.

M1 Spring:
MSK: 8ish weeks. Classes from 8-12pm but generally fewer lectures than fundamentals. Still have LC and clinical skills in the afternoons, plus Longitudinal Primary Care Clerkship (LPCC) once every other week for 4 hours.
Brain, mind, and behavior: 13 weeks. Classes from 8-12pm, this is the one block where there are a ton of mandatory events (mostly labs). Same afternoon stuff as MSK.

M2 Fall:
Cardio: 8ish weeks. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.
Renal/pulm: 4 weeks of renal, 3 weeks of pulm, 1 week of EOB. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.

M2 Spring:
GI/endo/repro: 13 weeks. 8-12pm. Fewer mandatory things in the afternoons so you can start gearing up for step, but still have LC, clinical skills, and LPCC.
Multisystems: 3 weeks. 8-12pm, still have LC and clinical skills.
Dedicated: 7 weeks.

Lectures are all recorded, with the exception of the review lectures at the end of the week.
Unfortunately they're trying to incorporate more small group stuff per accreditation requirements. We have had like 1 self-directed learning thing for every block that requires us to work in a small group. And LC is small group work of course.
 
Lannister said:
M1 Fall:
First responder: first two weeks after orientation. Classes from 8-5 every day, but a very easy class.
Physician and society: three weeks. Classes from 8-12pm. Some mandatory afternoon stuff (LC, etc.)
Fundamentals of molecular: 7 weeks (iirc). Classes from 8-12pm, almost always 4 lectures/day. Afternoons are generally free except for 2 hours of LC on monday or tuesday, and an hour of clinical skills one day/week.
Fundamentals of cellular: 7 weeks. Same schedule as molecular.

M1 Spring:
MSK: 8ish weeks. Classes from 8-12pm but generally fewer lectures than fundamentals. Still have LC and clinical skills in the afternoons, plus Longitudinal Primary Care Clerkship (LPCC) once every other week for 4 hours.
Brain, mind, and behavior: 13 weeks. Classes from 8-12pm, this is the one block where there are a ton of mandatory events (mostly labs). Same afternoon stuff as MSK.

M2 Fall:
Cardio: 8ish weeks. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.
Renal/pulm: 4 weeks of renal, 3 weeks of pulm, 1 week of EOB. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.

M2 Spring:
GI/endo/repro: 13 weeks. 8-12pm. Fewer mandatory things in the afternoons so you can start gearing up for step, but still have LC, clinical skills, and LPCC.
Multisystems: 3 weeks. 8-12pm, still have LC and clinical skills.
Dedicated: 7 weeks.

Lectures are all recorded, with the exception of the review lectures at the end of the week.
Unfortunately they're trying to incorporate more small group stuff per accreditation requirements. We have had like 1 self-directed learning thing for every block that requires us to work in a small group. And LC is small group work of course.
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One thing to add: in the Physician and Society course in August, you also now have ORSA which is basically surface anatomy
Also, periodically throughout that time and the rest of the year, you'll be visiting your community site. Your small groups are assigned a site to work with and do a project with-the frequency with which you go kind of depends on the group and what project they choose/how involved they want to be
 
Lannister said:
M1 Fall:
First responder: first two weeks after orientation. Classes from 8-5 every day, but a very easy class.
Physician and society: three weeks. Classes from 8-12pm. Some mandatory afternoon stuff (LC, etc.)
Fundamentals of molecular: 7 weeks (iirc). Classes from 8-12pm, almost always 4 lectures/day. Afternoons are generally free except for 2 hours of LC on monday or tuesday, and an hour of clinical skills one day/week.
Fundamentals of cellular: 7 weeks. Same schedule as molecular.

M1 Spring:
MSK: 8ish weeks. Classes from 8-12pm but generally fewer lectures than fundamentals. Still have LC and clinical skills in the afternoons, plus Longitudinal Primary Care Clerkship (LPCC) once every other week for 4 hours.
Brain, mind, and behavior: 13 weeks. Classes from 8-12pm, this is the one block where there are a ton of mandatory events (mostly labs). Same afternoon stuff as MSK.

M2 Fall:
Cardio: 8ish weeks. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.
Renal/pulm: 4 weeks of renal, 3 weeks of pulm, 1 week of EOB. 8-12pm. Same mandatory stuff as spring M1.

M2 Spring:
GI/endo/repro: 13 weeks. 8-12pm. Fewer mandatory things in the afternoons so you can start gearing up for step, but still have LC, clinical skills, and LPCC.
Multisystems: 3 weeks. 8-12pm, still have LC and clinical skills.
Dedicated: 7 weeks.

Lectures are all recorded, with the exception of the review lectures at the end of the week.
Unfortunately they're trying to incorporate more small group stuff per accreditation requirements. We have had like 1 self-directed learning thing for every block that requires us to work in a small group. And LC is small group work of course.
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You're the real MVP for writing all this out- it's so hard to get a clear picture of typical schedules from online resources, and it's super helpful to know. Thank you!!
 
I know this is a little early but if there are any females looking for an apartment in Cincinnati, please message me! I'm looking for a roommate. 10 minute walk to MSB, ~$850/mo (that's the total cost including all utilities), fully furnished.
 
Klondike the Polar Bear said:
Does anyone know if it is common for Cinci to give out institutional financial aid? Other than people who get outside merit based scholarships or military scholarships, does everybody pay full tuition?
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Cincinnati tends to be a little less generous than comparable schools when it comes to merit-based aid. In terms of need-based institutional aid, I'm honestly not sure how many people get those loans.
 
Lannister said:
Cincinnati tends to be a little less generous than comparable schools when it comes to merit-based aid. In terms of need-based institutional aid, I'm honestly not sure how many people get those loans.
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Do you know relatively what percentage of each incoming class receives merit scholarships? Or what the criteria is that the committee uses to award those scholarships?
 
Iloveswimming2196 said:
Do you know relatively what percentage of each incoming class receives merit scholarships? Or what the criteria is that the committee uses to award those scholarships?
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I'm not sure what percentage, but it's small.

In terms of criteria, grades and MCAT usually don't count for much when it comes to merit scholarships. It's more about extraordinary life experiences.
 
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