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agentmichaelskarn said:
Does anyone know what the curriculum structure is going to look like for M1's next year? I know that 2019 and beyond is supposed to be the lecture free, flipped classroom approach, but what will it be like in the mean time? Will 2019 be entirely flipped for M2's as well?
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Right now it is mixed lecture/flipped classroom/small group for both M1 and M2s. Each year becomes less lecture and more team based learning.
 
frizzle87 said:
Anyone know if UVM hosts a "second look day"/preview day before the fall?
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Yeah, they have a second look day in late April or early May if I remember correctly. Right around the time that other schools have theirs.

repepk said:
Right now it is mixed lecture/flipped classroom/small group for both M1 and M2s. Each year becomes less lecture and more team based learning.
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Not to be pedantic, but team-based learning (TBL) is one specific active learning modality in the switch to active learning. Basically they're systematically transferring things that are lectures into the various active modalities, and this will be fully implemented by 2019, so incoming M1s will start out with a heavier active learning load than we did, and then move to 100%. Current M1s (who will by then be M2s) will probably not be affected as far as pre-clinical courses go as they're mostly done with lectures by the end of the fall semester, and then studying for Step 1.
 
Interviewing here next week. Can someone please help me understand the format of the interview? It's MMI with a group station also?
 
MDPedigree said:
Interviewing here next week. Can someone please help me understand the format of the interview? It's MMI with a group station also?
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Everything is very organized, clearly instructed, and there are always moderators around should you have any questions. There is absolutely nothing to worry about.
 
Really enjoyed my interview day here! Sad that I'm going to have to wait till February to hear back though :/
 
SPmasters2010 said:
Really hoping for an interview here, complete early August. Does anyone know how late their interviews go?
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Same....... last year the last interview date was 2/25 and it seemed that they filled that up around early february
 
Waitlisted today from the 9/29 interview day :/
 
For current students, what is the class schedule like for the first semester? Essentially, will we be looking at Monday through Friday 8-4 or 9-5 with classes/small group sessions/etc., or are certain days shorter than others (such as Monday’s or Friday’s)?

Curious to know what typical initial weeks look like.
 
Got am email back about my app/contact update. The fact that the email had the person's preferred gender pronouns made me happy and solidified it ass my #1 school. Now if only I could land an II from them haha.
 
kh1329 said:
For current students, what is the class schedule like for the first semester? Essentially, will we be looking at Monday through Friday 8-4 or 9-5 with classes/small group sessions/etc., or are certain days shorter than others (such as Monday’s or Friday’s)?

Curious to know what typical initial weeks look like.
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It's really variable. Rarely are you going to have scheduled stuff from 8-4/5, but some days are longer, and some days are shorter. Generally things begin at 8 or 9, and go to 12. For the first month or two, since you don't have anatomy, you'd start at 9 and have a lecture, or doctoring skills session, or something. Once anatomy gets going, you might have a dissection block in that morning spot, with a peer-teaching (the opposite half of your anatomy team teaches you about the previous dissection) from 8-9. You could also have a histology lab (digital) in that spot too. So, generally, with anatomy things generally get going at 8am, but some days it starts at 9. Anatomy is a required attendance (duh), but other things are not.

As for the afternoons, that's where most of your lectures, and active learning sessions are held. So lunch is from 12-1, and then on average you'll have two 1-hour lecture blocks, or a longer active learning session from 1-3, and that will often be your day. Once per week we have a small group discussion (just like a human-side-of-medicine thing) from 4-5:30.

To sum up, mornings are pretty constantly scheduled for things, and afternoons are much more variable. We have weeks where there is a lot of information being doled out, and we have class sessions til 3 most days, and then there are weeks where I have something I won't go to in the afternoon on Wednesday, and a free-study block on Friday, so I'm out at lunch. Also, they seem to work to give us Fridays that end early. That's kind of the gist of the first semester. Second semester, the rumor is we just go from 8-12 most days, but the difficulty is ramped up a bit as we get into disease processes.
 
BombsAway said:
What's your opinion of the active learning direction they're taking things? is it all mandatory?
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Honestly, I'm conflicted. I understand what the evidence says, but at the same time some things are much more effectively delivered in a lecture or small series of lectures. Plus, often the variability in quality activity-to-activity (active learning) is much greater than the variability lecture-to-lecture. I think it's going to get better over the years, but right now some conversions from lectures to active learning feel incomplete or underdeveloped.
 
For those of you accepted, have you paid your deposit yet? I heard back just under two weeks ago but havn't received any information on how to send it in. I'm mildly paranoid that I'll accidentally forfeit my spot by missing an email.
 
gj5512 said:
For those of you accepted, have you paid your deposit yet? I heard back just under two weeks ago but havn't received any information on how to send it in. I'm mildly paranoid that I'll accidentally forfeit my spot by missing an email.
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Haha same so I called them. They said they haven't sent out the link to pay the deposit yet and it's fine that I just replied to their email
 
ChronicTraumaticNeuroses said:
Honestly, I'm conflicted. I understand what the evidence says, but at the same time some things are much more effectively delivered in a lecture or small series of lectures. Plus, often the variability in quality activity-to-activity (active learning) is much greater than the variability lecture-to-lecture. I think it's going to get better over the years, but right now some conversions from lectures to active learning feel incomplete or underdeveloped.
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I am a little anxious that it will be 100% lecture free soon! I thought it was cool at first, but now does not seem that great tbh with the volume of medical school stuff
 
kitkat13 said:
I am a little anxious that it will be 100% lecture free soon! I thought it was cool at first, but now does not seem that great tbh with the volume of medical school stuff
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It is certainly not my intent to dissuade you. Ultimately UVM is a great school. Nothing is being done lightly here, and there are a lot of resources for students and faculty to make it work. I, myself, am a lecture person, so I'm a bit sad to see them going. Let me be clear: you're getting all of the same information, just in a different, and more engaged way. The sessions aren't mandatory, so you can always just go your own way if you feel that's how you want to do it. At the end of it all, you're getting the information, and practicing at applying it more before the exams roll around rather than just digesting and absorbing it on your own, pulling your hair out about it all as I'm doing now.

Good luck to everyone interviewing tomorrow!
 
ChronicTraumaticNeuroses said:
It is certainly not my intent to dissuade you. Ultimately UVM is a great school. Nothing is being done lightly here, and there are a lot of resources for students and faculty to make it work. I, myself, am a lecture person, so I'm a bit sad to see them going. Let me be clear: you're getting all of the same information, just in a different, and more engaged way. The sessions aren't mandatory, so you can always just go your own way if you feel that's how you want to do it. At the end of it all, you're getting the information, and practicing at applying it more before the exams roll around rather than just digesting and absorbing it on your own, pulling your hair out about it all as I'm doing now.

Good luck to everyone interviewing tomorrow!
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Right I totally understand that. I had a question about TBL though. Do you guys get prerecorded lectures to watch the day before (like when you are prepping for a TBL session?) or are you expected to a read a chapter or handout and then just dive in the next day? I am a lecture person as well.
 
Im the opposite. No lectures is a huge plus for me. I get to go at my own pace and often use outside resources to supplement my notes. I find lectures to not really do much for me because of my learning style. I usually have to basically reteach everything to myself after class.
 
buckoh24 said:
Im the opposite. No lectures is a huge plus for me. I get to go at my own pace and often use outside resources to supplement my notes. I find lectures to not really do much for me because of my learning style. I usually have to basically reteach everything to myself after class.
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This. I loved my PBL course in grad school.

Vermont, please love me back. 😍
 
Question for current students- what is the grading system? MSAR says pass fail but I've heard there are actually grades? Or the grading system is changing?
 
thisisridiculous said:
Question for current students- what is the grading system? MSAR says pass fail but I've heard there are actually grades? Or the grading system is changing?
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It's completely pass/fail. I think prior to this year the first semester was H/P/F, but they changed it for this year, and I don't see them going back.
 
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but does anyone know if medical school students are able to establish residency in order to lower costs of tuition in later (M3 and M4) years?
 
iamsam93 said:
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but does anyone know if medical school students are able to establish residency in order to lower costs of tuition in later (M3 and M4) years?
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I think this is possible at some schools/states but not at UVM where they require you moving to VT for reasons besides school to get in state
 
iamsam93 said:
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but does anyone know if medical school students are able to establish residency in order to lower costs of tuition in later (M3 and M4) years?
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you pay OOS tuition all four years. the only loophole is joining the VT national guard.
 
In 2 days it will officially be 2 months since my interview. I am not sure how I feel about that. I am really hoping the long wait ends with good news. I really want to attend this school. I would thrive in it. My heart is set on this school. I know that's probably not smart but I can't help it. I am really hoping to hear good news from them soon. I am fairly patient but the wait is making me slightly anxious at this point.
 
Cell Nucleus said:
In 2 days it will officially be 2 months since my interview. I am not sure how I feel about that. I am really hoping the long wait ends with good news. I really want to attend this school. I would thrive in it. My heart is set on this school. I know that's probably not smart but I can't help it. I am really hoping to hear good news from them soon. I am fairly patient but the wait is making me slightly anxious at this point.
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hey I know how you feel. It's only been a bit over the 5th week for me and i am getting a bit stressed. This is also my first choice, and even though there is still time, my heart is telling me this is the place I would like to spend the next 4 years at.

Just hit me up if you wanna debrief or need some support, at times like these being with people and distracting ourselves is best~
 
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