same feeling here bruvSoooo, these guys have left me on pre-II Hold... I'm guessing that I'm done?
same feeling here bruvSoooo, these guys have left me on pre-II Hold... I'm guessing that I'm done?
Seconding this. Too many complaints from current students about lack of student-professor accessibility, unclear curriculum structure, and being overshadowed by the other med schools for for med student opportunities in Philly.
For those that have asked, these were pretty much the issues raised by the MS3. I think he also had some issues with guidance and support from the administration as well, and pointed out that it'll only get worse as Drexel is planning on increasing matriculation another 40 students next cycle.
In addition to the above, I found the the facilities pretty run down and decrepit and just overall depressing. Even though I have one so it's not a big deal, I was annoyed that all the exams are taken on iPads which aren't provided to students. Just seemed kind of ****ty and symbolic of the disregard the admin seems to have for the students. Overall the program felt like a very disorganized cash grab.
To address the other stuff, If you like Drexel and it's a good fit for you, great. It's an MD school with a good match list and if you're happy to work within its constraints, awesome. Personally I feel like med school is already tough enough and I want every opportunity to succeed, I may not need and probably won't need more support and attention than Drexel can provide, but I'd prefer a school where that option is there in case I do.
Did they give you specific examples or were these that particular student’s feelings? Getting research opportunities was a snap, I got involved with my PI’s project last August almost as soon as I became a med student. Many people in my class picked up research in Cards, EM, Ortho, etc. without much pushback. The one field I know someone struggled to find something was Ophtho.Seconding this. Too many complaints from current students about lack of student-professor accessibility, unclear curriculum structure, and being overshadowed by the other med schools for for med student opportunities in Philly.
I agree with you that managing 240 students is a burden on any administration, but I have yet to hear of a student who hasn’t found a mentor in some way, shape, or form. People are always willing to make time to get to know students who show the initiative to email first and say “hey i’d like to meet with you for some help/guidance/just to chat.” Even the faculty member who put my white coat on me at the white coat ceremony pulled a classy move and slipped her card into the white coat.For those that have asked, these were pretty much the issues raised by the MS3. I think he also had some issues with guidance and support from the administration as well, and pointed out that it'll only get worse as Drexel is planning on increasing matriculation another 40 students next cycle.
In addition to the above, I found the the facilities pretty run down and decrepit and just overall depressing. Even though I have one so it's not a big deal, I was annoyed that all the exams are taken on iPads which aren't provided to students. Just seemed kind of ****ty and symbolic of the disregard the admin seems to have for the students. Overall the program felt like a very disorganized cash grab.
To address the other stuff, If you like Drexel and it's a good fit for you, great. It's an MD school with a good match list and if you're happy to work within its constraints, awesome. Personally I feel like med school is already tough enough and I want every opportunity to succeed, I may not need and probably won't need more support and attention than Drexel can provide, but I'd prefer a school where that option is there in case I do.
Hi . It sounds like you are s current student ? What year are you? Do you think I could talk to you offline ? I wanna ask more detailed questions (Drexel is one of my 3 choices , and I think it is becoming a top choice ).Did they give you specific examples or were these that particular student’s feelings? Getting research opportunities was a snap, I got involved with my PI’s project last August almost as soon as I became a med student. Many people in my class picked up research in Cards, EM, Ortho, etc. without much pushback. The one field I know someone struggled to find something was Ophtho.
The school has interest groups for every field, and they send out monthly schedules for students to sign up to shadow physicians.
Did this student mention what kinds of opportunities they felt like they were being passed up for? There’s a good chance they tried to get into an exclusive lab somewhere and were snubbed due to lack of experience or the like. That happens all the time and it’s not a reflection on the school.
I agree with you that managing 240 students is a burden on any administration, but I have yet to hear of a student who hasn’t found a mentor in some way, shape, or form. People are always willing to make time to get to know students who show the initiative to email first and say “hey i’d like to meet with you for some help/guidance/just to chat.” Even the faculty member who put my white coat on me at the white coat ceremony pulled a classy move and slipped her card into the white coat.
Ciestar already pointed this out, but the additional 40 students is at another campus.
Sure they can give you an iPad, but they can also increase tuition another $1000 to cover it. That’s what Jefferson and Temple do, so you’re paying for one either way. IDK what Penn’s policy is on that.
The anatomy lab and bone room just got redone last summer. The research labs are in great condition. The micro anatomy rooms are pristine. There’s one room we call “the dungeon” in the basement that can get a little musty but even then, it’s not “decrepit.” If you have specifics about what part of the building you felt this in, I’d be glad to hear you out. Otherwise lay off using words like “cash-grab” or “decrepit” to bash schools.
The anatomy lab and bone room just got redone last summer. The research labs are in great condition. The micro anatomy rooms are pristine. There’s one room we call “the dungeon” in the basement that can get a little musty but even then, it’s not “decrepit.” If you have specifics about what part of the building you felt this in, I’d be glad to hear you out. Otherwise lay off using words like “cash-grab” or “decrepit” to bash schools.
i am pretty sure ive read a few days ago that someone was offered interview after hold....Does anyone know exactly what a hold means? There are people who have been rejected pre-II. so is there a chance with a hold? Thanks
Everything in your first paragraph; completely valid. I take no issue with what you said and appreciate you actually clarifying what exactly informed your opinion.I understand the inclination to take anything derogatory about a school personally, it's not my intention to bash Drexel or its students, I have nothing against the school. I was excited to get the invite and was aware that Drexel has a "reputation" but dismissed it and went in with an open mind to decide for myself. I think I've made it clear my opinions and my experiences are just those of one person, and the interaction I related just the opinion of that particular student and not necessarily representative. That said, Drexel seems a lot like LECOM in that there aren't too many other schools which year after year have current students and prospective students showing up to "bash" them. Sure, there are a lot of Philly natives and a natural rivalry between all the Philly schools which may contribute. I'm not from Philly, and have no horse in that game. Except for Penn, I went in seeing the other 3 Philly schools as roughly equal. I saw the anatomy lab and the bone room, both seemed clean, bright and modern. I did not see the micro-anatomy lab, but I'm sure it's also very nice. From my exposure during the roughly 2 hours of time I had to wander around by myself to whatever that main building is at QL is called, decrepit meaning "worn out because of age or neglect" feels apt. I just felt there was an air of dinginess and lack of maintenance and care about the whole thing, I didn't check to see if the payphone outside the admission office worked, but I'd probably only give it a 50/50 shot. One of the things I really appreciate about Drexel is it's history having absorbed MCW, but that can only carry you so far.
In-state tuition at Drexel is almost $6K more than Temple, and $1K more than Jeff. So they're not just rolling in the cost of an iPad. There's no real reason they couldn't find an app that would run on iOS and Android, or use a laptop based lockdown program for testing, or just own and maintain iPads that are passed out for exams like they did for the essay portion of the interview. Requiring all students to buy a device that they might only use for taking exams just feels like a **** you from the admin.
They seem to run a lean, rather sloppy and disorganized ship at Drexel more concerned with maintaining and increa$ing an already high enrollment without increasing their investment in the facilities, faculty, or the students. Again, just my gut feeling and one person's experience. But that's why I feel "cash-grab" is apt. None of that detracts from the quality of student at Drexel, the quality of the education they'll necessarily receive, or the success their graduates will have. I don't doubt there are many happy students, yourself and some of the other supporters in this thread included, but it's also telling that there are enough unhappy ones and ones unhappy enough to make a stink about it to prospective applicants that it's now a "thing".
Everything in your first paragraph; completely valid. I take no issue with what you said and appreciate you actually clarifying what exactly informed your opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I was pushing you to elaborate so that I myself could understand where this "reputation" comes from. Most of the complaints I've heard are pretty vague. I'm trying to nail down, if not for everyone at the very least myself, what it is that turns people off from Drexel.
What makes something a critical review v.s. bashing is whether or not there's some concrete reasons behind their opinion. Now that you've elaborated that it was your perception of the school based on a feeling from a payphone; I see where you're coming from.
The school isn't in shambles, there's not leaking roof tiles and trash everywhere. Things are clean, neat, and orderly. Nothing is in disrepair. Hell even the pool table gets re-felted every summer. Its not as bad as you make it out to be from your 2 hours there.
How is that any more a slap in the face than being told "Hey, here's an iPad, but you're paying for it in your tuition anyway!" This is a perception thing from your end, nothing the administration is doing.
but in any case you've made it quite clear that there's not much you can point to, to substantiate your opinions, or the negative opinions of others you've heard from.
At the end of the day, a shiny new building is not going to make or break someone's medical education, but if its a priority for an applicant then it's an important factor. I'd just hope its not the only factor that makes someone choose school x over school y.
I understand the inclination to take anything derogatory about a school personally, it's not my intention to bash Drexel or its students, I have nothing against the school. I was excited to get the invite and was aware that Drexel has a "reputation" but dismissed it and went in with an open mind to decide for myself. I think I've made it clear my opinions and my experiences are just those of one person, and the interaction I related just the opinion of that particular student and not necessarily representative. That said, Drexel seems a lot like LECOM in that there aren't too many other schools which year after year have current students and prospective students showing up to "bash" them. Sure, there are a lot of Philly natives and a natural rivalry between all the Philly schools which may contribute. I'm not from Philly, and have no horse in that game. Except for Penn, I went in seeing the other 3 Philly schools as roughly equal. I saw the anatomy lab and the bone room, both seemed clean, bright and modern. I did not see the micro-anatomy lab, but I'm sure it's also very nice. From my exposure during the roughly 2 hours of time I had to wander around by myself to whatever that main building is at QL is called, decrepit meaning "worn out because of age or neglect" feels apt. I just felt there was an air of dinginess and lack of maintenance and care about the whole thing, I didn't check to see if the payphone outside the admission office worked, but I'd probably only give it a 50/50 shot. One of the things I really appreciate about Drexel is it's history having absorbed MCW, but that can only carry you so far.
In-state tuition at Drexel is almost $6K more than Temple, and $1K more than Jeff. So they're not just rolling in the cost of an iPad. There's no real reason they couldn't find an app that would run on iOS and Android, or use a laptop based lockdown program for testing, or just own and maintain iPads that are passed out for exams like they did for the essay portion of the interview. Requiring all students to buy a device that they might only use for taking exams just feels like a **** you from the admin.
They seem to run a lean, rather sloppy and disorganized ship at Drexel more concerned with maintaining and increa$ing an already high enrollment without increasing their investment in the facilities, faculty, or the students. Again, just my gut feeling and one person's experience. But that's why I feel "cash-grab" is apt. None of that detracts from the quality of student at Drexel, the quality of the education they'll necessarily receive, or the success their graduates will have. I don't doubt there are many happy students, yourself and some of the other supporters in this thread included, but it's also telling that there are enough unhappy ones and ones unhappy enough to make a stink about it to prospective applicants that it's now a "thing".
Did they give you specific examples or were these that particular student’s feelings? Getting research opportunities was a snap, I got involved with my PI’s project last August almost as soon as I became a med student. Many people in my class picked up research in Cards, EM, Ortho, etc. without much pushback. The one field I know someone struggled to find something was Ophtho.
The school has interest groups for every field, and they send out monthly schedules for students to sign up to shadow physicians.
Did this student mention what kinds of opportunities they felt like they were being passed up for? There’s a good chance they tried to get into an exclusive lab somewhere and were snubbed due to lack of experience or the like. That happens all the time and it’s not a reflection on the school.
I agree with you that managing 240 students is a burden on any administration, but I have yet to hear of a student who hasn’t found a mentor in some way, shape, or form. People are always willing to make time to get to know students who show the initiative to email first and say “hey i’d like to meet with you for some help/guidance/just to chat.” Even the faculty member who put my white coat on me at the white coat ceremony pulled a classy move and slipped her card into the white coat.
Ciestar already pointed this out, but the additional 40 students is at another campus.
Sure they can give you an iPad, but they can also increase tuition another $1000 to cover it. That’s what Jefferson and Temple do, so you’re paying for one either way. IDK what Penn’s policy is on that.
The anatomy lab and bone room just got redone last summer. The research labs are in great condition. The micro anatomy rooms are pristine. There’s one room we call “the dungeon” in the basement that can get a little musty but even then, it’s not “decrepit.” If you have specifics about what part of the building you felt this in, I’d be glad to hear you out. Otherwise lay off using words like “cash-grab” or “decrepit” to bash schools.
Now that you've elaborated that it was your perception of the school based on a feeling from a payphone; I see where you're coming from.
How is that any more a slap in the face than being told "Hey, here's an iPad, but you're paying for it in your tuition anyway!" This is a perception thing from your end, nothing the administration is doing.
At the end of the day, a shiny new building is not going to make or break someone's medical education, but if its a priority for an applicant then it's an important factor. I'd just hope its not the only factor that makes someone choose school x over school y.
+1, from a post-II holdWithdrawing here, good luck everyone!
👍 I've accepted your opinion and arguments, I get nothing from trying to convince you to change them nor was that ever my goal. I am genuinely glad that you've found a school that fits you whether or not it was Drexel. Time to move on.Again, I can understand why you're defensive and take it personally, I have nothing against Drexel as a school. I was simply relating an experience I had at your school. An MS3 (may have been MS4) took the time to stop what he was doing and walk with us for a few minutes in the opposite direction to offer up his experience and opinion that he wouldn't choose to go to Drexel if he had to do it again. I had already gotten an acceptance that day and already decided that Drexel wasn't a good fit for me so I didn't really pay too much attention to all of his issues, and in fact I split off from the group part way through his spiel to offer a ride to another applicant who was walking to the station. I remember him complaining about the poor staff/faculty to student ratio, how he'd had issues with them being unresponsive to problems, and he and classmates had difficulty with getting clinical rotations. He also mentioned that he expected the situation to not improve when enrollment increased to 300 students the next cycle. IIRC he might have also said something about the Kaiser Permanente relationship dissolving and that not being an option for students in the future (I could also be making that up). While I think it says a lot that someone would do that I would have been more inclined to take it with a bigger grain of salt had I not already encountered other current students with issues in other places.
I didn't offer my opinion until I was asked for it, as it was just that my personal impression and opinion, based on nothing than a general gut feeling. The place felt kind of run down and dingy, I wandered around for a couple of hours and didn't get one smile or friendly hello -- a stark contrast to a lot of the other schools I visited, IIRC that re-felted pool table was in a room with a couple of broken arcade machines and as applicants we initially waited near the entrance by what looked like a couple of broken massage chairs. I never said the payphone was a problem, but it certainly felt symptomatic. If you're sitting at home watching lectures on 2x I'm not sure it makes an iota of difference. No, it's nothing concrete, I never claimed it was, but I left glad I had other options and thinking that I'd get depressed if I had to spend even a year there. That's just me, it wasn't a fit. Nothing wrong with the school, but if I can go somewhere else for $6K less, why wouldn't I?
I wasn't aware Temple gave you an iPad, but if they want to throw one in and charge me $6,000 less a year? Sign me up. Not only will I take that iPad, I'll also take the $6K x4 + interest savings and buy one of those fancy tablets that come with a Tesla 3 wrapped around them when it's all said and done. And again, the option isn't binary: charge the students in tuition, or make them buy an iPad. Plenty of other schools do allow students to use their own laptops, or school provided laptops/computers, or allow android and ios tablets for exam taking.
Yup. At the end of the day the facilities may not matter, accessibility to clinical rotation sites may not matter, responsiveness to issues by faculty and admin may not matter, and any individual student may not even run into issues, but if I can go somewhere else with an equally impressive match list where I have less concern about having to make do for less money than the most expensive (non-ivy) med school in the state, why wouldn't I? You and other students have clearly had a great experience, but from what I've seen in other places the student who approached us isn't alone in his criticisms either.
I am genuinely glad that you've found a school that fits you whether or not it was Drexel.
HahahahaWell thank god that’s over. Can we all just be supportive and happy that we got in now? Glad you have choices but try not to ruin the fun for other people.
Congrats to everyone who’s gotten in. Meet in the broken down arcade
room for drinks??
LOOL thanks, just spit my drink out everywhere
just a question here... If AAMC's new traffic rules mandates that med schools accept as many students as they expect in their incoming class does that mean since drexel's next release date in march 25th they've already accepted a whole class worth of students?
I wonder if that means they accept exactly 250 (their M1 class) students or they accept the amount they EXPECT to give to drexel (250*2 roughly) i’m thinking the latterjust a question here... If AAMC's new traffic rules mandates that med schools accept as many students as they expect in their incoming class does that mean since drexel's next release date in march 25th they've already accepted a whole class worth of students?
I wonder if that means they accept exactly 250 (their M1 class) students or they accept the amount they EXPECT to give to drexel (250*2 roughly) i’m thinking the latter
I wonder if that means they accept exactly 250 (their M1 class) students or they accept the amount they EXPECT to give to drexel (250*2 roughly) i’m thinking the latter
They explained it in the interview. They interview 1400ish, and accept a bit over 700. IIRC they indicated they might be a little more conservative this year, but those numbers will roughly hold up as they've worked for how ever many years they've been doing this and they can squeeze a few more in if necessary (the number 265 sticks out as an upper limit they stated). Accepting ~2-3x enrollment is pretty standard across the board.
I wonder if that means they accept exactly 250 (their M1 class) students or they accept the amount they EXPECT to give to drexel (250*2 roughly) i’m thinking the latter
FYI there are ~170 members on the accepted students page.
Not everyone has a fb or joined the group, but there should be more acceptances going out- good luck!
FYI there are ~170 members on the accepted students page.
Not everyone has a fb or joined the group, but there should be more acceptances going out- good luck!
just a question about this since each med school's accepted students page is different. does drexel's page request everyone who was accepted/has a facebook or those accepted add themselves?
good luck, guys!!!! fingers crossed for you!!!Hi friends, I just logged on to the portal and saw this update. Looks like those of us still waiting decisions might hear back next week!!
who sends the invitation? i wanna join too 🙂)))I received an invitation to join the page!
who sends the invitation? i wanna join too 🙂)))
FYI there are ~170 members on the accepted students page.
Not everyone has a fb or joined the group, but there should be more acceptances going out- good luck!
Hi friends, I just logged on to the portal and saw this update. Looks like those of us still waiting decisions might hear back next week!!
Not all heroes wear capes 🙂))You’re a true hero. Thank you!
You’re a true hero. Thank you!
I have never felt more supported <3Not all heroes wear capes 🙂))
hey, we are all in this together!! I am a true believer in "support each other" approach.I have never felt more supported <3
I got mine but was accepted in Nov. I think it takes a second to get it. I have 2 "to do" items and still got itTo those accepted- Are we supposed to have gotten the finaid package yet? I was accepted in January and there's nothing in the discover drexel portal but also no outstanding "to do" items for me either.
I just got an email from them saying that scholarships, if awarded, will be announced by April 15th.To those accepted- Are we supposed to have gotten the finaid package yet? I was accepted in January and there's nothing in the discover drexel portal but also no outstanding "to do" items for me either.
what is in your financial package now, - just the financial aid (the loan) information, or there is more?I got mine but was accepted in Nov. I think it takes a second to get it. I have 2 "to do" items and still got it
Just the loan, expected COA, and a work study (which I dont remember signing up for but seems like most people dont take it)what is in your financial package now, - just the financial aid (the loan) information, or there is more?
I got that e-mail too and it says finaid "may" be on the portal already. I'm taking that to mean not to worry if its not there yet!I just got an email from them saying that scholarships, if awarded, will be announced by April 15th.
That being said, - you should already have the student loan amount there, - the regular financial aid.
I have the loan and COAJust the loan, expected COA, and a work study (which I dont remember signing up for but seems like most people dont take it)
I got one 3 days ago and when I scheduled there were multiple open dates in April as still. I scheduled mine for this month though.I am assuming they are done sending interviews right?
Oh dang we got a deferred --> acceptance! There's hope!Accepted about an hour ago! Interviewed 10/27 and was deferred 12/18.. so pumped!