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mpmp3233 said:
Does this secondary allow for an optional text box for IAs or allow for updates after submission? To make a long story short, I have pre-written all my secondaries but still waiting for my primary to be reviewed (hopefully in a few more days!), but when I submitted my primary I indicated I had no IAs because what I thought were not violations actually were. After talking to a few admissions departments I have learned my best bet is to 1)email the admissions office and dean of admissions, 2) explain in the optional text box why I did not report it on my primary, and 3)update my application with the details if allowed.

Therefore, does this secondary have an optional text box or allow for resubmission where I would have the opportunity to explain this situation?
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I think there's usually an "additional information" section on the secondary. Make sure you explain it well and take ownership. As long as you've learned from it and convey that, it should be fine 🙂
 
Is there an abbreviation for "Mayo Clinic Alix School of Medicine"? MCASOM?
 
For any current Mayo medical students, for the third-year research experience quarter are you only allowed to do basic science research, or are there opportunities to engage in translational research and/or clinical research?
 
I'm confused about what the "explain how your relationship with your own diversity and diversity of others...." prompt is asking. Like what do they mean by our "relationship with the diversity of others?" Working with people from diverse backgrounds?
 
apoc314 said:
For any current Mayo medical students, for the third-year research experience quarter are you only allowed to do basic science research, or are there opportunities to engage in translational research and/or clinical research?
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Current 4th year. You can pretty much do whatever you want, you just need to write a publication worthy manuscript (you don't have to submit). Basic science research would probably only be do-able if you worked on it longitudinally, or took a research year. Pretty much everyone does a retrospective chart review. Way quicker and fewer resources required. You can satisfy your research requirement prior to third year (accepted manuscript) and use those 12 weeks for whatever.

*edit: I realized I didn't fully answer your question. There are opportunities to do literally any type of research you want. All you have to do is email a consultant that does research in an area you like. If they don't have something for you, they will know someone who does. There isn't any competition for research experiences here.
 
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airbornedude said:
Current 4th year. You can pretty much do whatever you want, you just need to write a publication worthy manuscript (you don't have to submit). Basic science research would probably only be do-able if you worked on it longitudinally, or took a research year. Pretty much everyone does a retrospective chart review. Way quicker and fewer resources required. You can satisfy your research requirement prior to third year (accepted manuscript) and use those 12 weeks for whatever.

*edit: I realized I didn't fully answer your question. There are opportunities to do literally any type of research you want. All you have to do is email a consultant that does research in an area you like. If they don't have something for you, they will know someone who does. There isn't any competition for research experiences here.
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Thank you for the insights!
 
airbornedude said:
Current 4th year. You can pretty much do whatever you want, you just need to write a publication worthy manuscript (you don't have to submit). Basic science research would probably only be do-able if you worked on it longitudinally, or took a research year. Pretty much everyone does a retrospective chart review. Way quicker and fewer resources required. You can satisfy your research requirement prior to third year (accepted manuscript) and use those 12 weeks for whatever.

*edit: I realized I didn't fully answer your question. There are opportunities to do literally any type of research you want. All you have to do is email a consultant that does research in an area you like. If they don't have something for you, they will know someone who does. There isn't any competition for research experiences here.
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This sounds super chill. Glad to hear there's no toxic competition like in premed days lol
 
frenchfries7 said:
I'm confused about what the "explain how your relationship with your own diversity and diversity of others...." prompt is asking. Like what do they mean by our "relationship with the diversity of others?" Working with people from diverse backgrounds?
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Sorry for a late response. It's a needlessly abstract and ambiguous prompt, for sure. The following example is my attempt to make sense of it to answer your question, as I'm also struggling to write this essay:

I lived abroad for a time, in a place where I had hardly any grasp on the language. So, when I later met a patient for whom English was a second language and who was thus apologizing for his limited English, I was able to relate to his struggle. In what hopefully makes sense, my experiences allowed me to empathize with the patient's diversity and what his diversity compelled him to do (apologize), all of which manifested in a personal experience of mine.

Having posted that example here, I will likely not use it in my essay to avoid issues of plagiarism, but hopefully it was insightful.
 
apoc117 said:
I might be misunderstanding your concern, but the way I read the first question is that they want us to focus on "Why Mayo?" more than on why the specific top choice track. So most of your writing would ideally be on the overall Mayo Clinic School of Medicine and then you'd spend a few sentences detailing why you picked their Minnesota campus, Arizona campus, or one of the 2+2 programs.
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Ahaha damn. I just wrote a few sentences for why mayo . Didnt talk about the locations at all
 
does anyone know if you get considered for both campuses or just one? Is the review done separately?
 
What is that second essay question actually asking? Its like the world's worst CARS passage
 
Maybedoc1 said:
What is that second essay question actually asking? Its like the world's worst CARS passage
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I would just answer it like a standard diversity question. I shared some of my experiences and explained how the lessons I learned from those experiences manifest in my interactions with others.
 
Mayo please give II
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All my fellow reapplicants, can I get a heyo for Mayo?
 
still haven't received a secondary (520+/3.9+)...is that bad?
 
For schools that screen, does it indicate particular interest if the secondary app turnaround from primary submission is very quick?

I was already verified as of a week ago and did not send primary to Mayo in my first primary batch? I received a secondary early this morning under 72 hours after my late Friday primary app submission.

For Mayo, and as a general rule, would this situation Indicate extra interest or no?


Thanks
 
blinkblink2 said:
For schools that screen, does it indicate particular interest if the secondary app turnaround from primary submission is very quick?

I was already verified as of a week ago and did not send primary to Mayo in my first primary batch? I received a secondary early this morning under 72 hours after my late Friday primary app submission.

For Mayo, and as a general rule, would this situation Indicate extra interest or no?


Thanks
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I don’t think they care
 
blinkblink2 said:
I explained that badly, lack of sleep. I'm saying THEIR turnaround was unusually fast relative to other apps.
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Sorry, I totally misread. I still don’t think it means anything. I got mine in a similar timeframe and my stats are way below par.
 
I second GalaxyBrain's reply.

All of my secondaries were sent to me extremely quickly, and I am definitely below average for Mayo.
 
Noted. Any thoughts on viability of 74 LM with significant research experience in vaccine design/immunology, but not publications. Otherwise boxes generally checked. White male, non-trad community college transfer to UC.

Looking to take triage on my secondaries....may have applied to a few too many then got dumped on 2/3 in one day.
 
blinkblink2 said:
Noted. Any thoughts on viability of 74 LM with significant research experience in vaccine design/immunology, but not publications. Otherwise boxes generally checked. White male, non-trad community college transfer to UC.

Looking to take triage on my secondaries....may have applied to a few too many then got dumped on 2/3 in one day.
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Your guess is as good as any of ours! Mayo does seem to have more mission-based review compared to some of the other top schools. They don’t having rolling admission, so I would prioritize your schools that do.
 
GalaxyBrain said:
Your guess is as good as any of ours! Mayo does seem to have more mission-based review compared to some of the other top schools. They don’t having rolling admission, so I would prioritize your schools that do.
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They don't have rolling admission??
 
Are they one of those non-rolling admissions, rolling II though? I get a bit suspicious that anything isn't rolling and if such distinctions end up mattering then for the applicant. If one bottleneck step is rolling, is not the entire admissions process effectively?
 
blinkblink2 said:
Are they one of those non-rolling admissions, rolling II though? I get a bit suspicious that anything isn't rolling and if such distinctions end up mattering then for the applicant. If one bottleneck step is rolling, is not the entire admissions process effectively?
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I think all schools have rolling II. Non-rolling just means that all interviewed candidates are offered acceptance at the same time, but applying early still benefits the possibility of II.
 
Agreed. By the way, as a fellow non-trad, I see your LM and WARS cited in your signature.

Do you have an opinion on which is a better indicator for non-trads? I'm generally get into top tier when ECs are included as in WARs, marginal for it purely quantitative indices with 516 MCAT being not quite commensurate with ~4.0 cGPA
 
blinkblink2 said:
Agreed. By the way, as a fellow non-trad, I see your LM and WARS cited in your signature.

Do you have an opinion on which is a better indicator for non-trads? I'm generally get into top tier when ECs are included as in WARs, marginal for it purely quantitative indices with 516 MCAT being not quite commensurate with ~4.0 cGPA
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I think for both, they just predictors. WARS has subjective elements that weaken validity and LM may over/undershoot the value of GPA (depending on whos arguing haha). Mine is fairly comparable for both. I am certainly an average stats and EC candidate — stats you can see in the sig and ECs are average as well (~1000 clinical hours, 800 research (no pubs, thematic posters at bigger national conferences x2, ~1000 volunteer hours).

However, I am a career changer with an atypical first career. Us non-trads (especially those of us in our thirties with families) have a unique perspective and bring qualities to the table that traditional candidates may not.

Mayo is the dream for me. Their commitment to patient care and equity through structured salaried pay motivated my interest in applying even though I am below their median stats. This is anecdotal (from 2019-2020 SDN thread), but current students have previously posted about the weight of metrics after an II is extended. They review holistically and although your 516 MCAT may be below the median, it's above the 25th percentile of matriculated students.

TL;DR - I think both LM and WARS have flaws but WARS likely predicts better for a school like Mayo due to their holistic review.
 
Solid response, thanks. I'm unmarried and still in my late 20s, just had no foundation or record of academic success until I was 19 then built it brick by brick in community college before transferring to major research university. I felt for the longest time MCAT was designed to "expose" me (in fact I still do despite the 516), so that effectively tacked on a few years, obscured by EC padding. Good to hear since holistic review seems relatively common, couldn't but a percentage estimate on it among top schools though. I'm borderline top tier per LM at 74.5, decisively so per WARS.
 
blinkblink2 said:
Solid response, thanks. I'm unmarried and still in my late 20s, just had no foundation or record of academic success until I was 19 then built it brick by brick in community college before transferring to major research university. I felt for the longest time MCAT was designed to "expose" me (in fact I still do despite the 516), so that effectively tacked on a few years, obscured by EC padding. Good to hear since holistic review seems relatively common, couldn't but a percentage estimate on it among top schools though. I'm borderline top tier per LM at 74.5, decisively so per WARS.
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I don’t know if I would say holistic review is necessarily common. Look at the quartiles on MSAR. A school like UPenn has a very narrow and tight boundary around their accepted and matriculated students. Likely not holistic. A school like mayo, is broad. High median, but broad range from 10th to 90th percentile stats. Some “low yield” schools you’ll find the same instance around middle stats. They don’t accept many high stat applicants (LM80+) because they know those students will likely matriculate elsewhere.

good luck this cycle!! Hope you end up where you want!
 
Any IIs here? I saw one pop up on the tracker ...
 
Does anyone understand how the track ranking influences the track you could be invited to interview for?
 
I'm having a hard time grasping what they are asking for the second essay. They're asking for how your relationship with your own diversity and that of others has manifested in your experiences. That's a unique prompt for a diversity essay. Are they asking about the experiences that I have included in my primary and having me write about how those show diversity? Or are they open to writing about other experiences that were not included in the primary?
 
Jaydenmo said:
I'm having a hard time grasping what they are asking for the second essay. They're asking for how your relationship with your own diversity and that of others has manifested in your experiences. That's a unique prompt for a diversity essay. Are they asking about the experiences that I have included in my primary and having me write about how those show diversity? Or are they open to writing about other experiences that were not included in the primary?
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Sorry for the late response but definitely you can write about things that aren't in your primary. It is a weird prompt. I kind of just interpreted it to talk about your own diversity and extrapolate a lesson from it that you can apply to interactions with others.
 
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