2020-2021 Michigan

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HopeP said:
New numbers 8294 applications, 94 interviews. Scheduled interviews seems odd number as it only went up by 12 from last week 82, but today's tweet states 28 sent out. Not sure if I am adding more neuroticism here.
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People may not have scheduled their interview yet
 
dindjarin87 said:
This is the last one I had in me. I should withdraw, now. Maybe i'll come back here to post "STATS?!?" "WHEN WERE YOU COMPLETE?!?!?!?" for every future MM. RIP :dead:
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Keep your head up king/queen!

But with UMich if we see them send out II to applicants around our complete date and we did not get one then does that mean RIP for the rest of the cycle? Maybe once they review all applicants they'll go back and re-consider those who did not make the first round pick?

First time applicant here so I'm not entirely sure how UMich does it but I would assume that would be the most equal and fair way to review candidates. 1st round picks followed by 2nd round etc until cycle ends.
 
Shine-Dalgarno said:
Keep your head up king/queen!

But with UMich if we see them send out II to applicants around our complete date and we did not get one then does that mean RIP for the rest of the cycle? Maybe once they review all applicants they'll go back and re-consider those who did not make the first round pick?

First time applicant here so I'm not entirely sure how UMich does it but I would assume that would be the most equal and fair way to review candidates. 1st round picks followed by 2nd round etc until cycle ends.
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UMich does not review chronologically (most schools don't). In the past, they have sent II's to highly competitive OOS students first, then shifted focus to IS applicants later in the cycle. Some IS folks have gotten II's this cycle, so it isn't a hard and fast rule but an example of the different ways they stratify applications. An interview for a later complete date doesn't mean your application has been read yet, let alone passed over.
 
TabbyTuxy said:
UMich does not review chronologically (most schools don't). In the past, they have sent II's to highly competitive OOS students first, then shifted focus to IS applicants later in the cycle. Some IS folks have gotten II's this cycle, so it isn't a hard and fast rule but an example of the different ways they stratify applications. An interview for a later complete date doesn't mean your application has been read yet, let alone passed over.
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Good look. Thanks for the clarification and that makes sense. I was not complete until 8/24 so I got a while still.
 
Shine-Dalgarno said:
Keep your head up king/queen!

But with UMich if we see them send out II to applicants around our complete date and we did not get one then does that mean RIP for the rest of the cycle? Maybe once they review all applicants they'll go back and re-consider those who did not make the first round pick?

First time applicant here so I'm not entirely sure how UMich does it but I would assume that would be the most equal and fair way to review candidates. 1st round picks followed by 2nd round etc until cycle ends.
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Equal and fair????? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Who gave you the idea that anything about the process, at any school, would be equal and fair??? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
To everyone worried about receiving interviews and the timing of such invites, I'd just like to remind everyone that interview invites are spread over the next couple months. Review is not based on chronological order and if you receive an interview invite, it could be next week, or it could be in November. Either way, you chances of admission following reception of an interview remain fairly constant throughout the interview cycle. For reference, I didn't receive an interview invite till October of last year and interviewed in December, despite submitting an application at the start of the July. Many of my current classmates were in a similar boat and interviewed in December and January after receiving later interviews. This cycle is long, and unpredictable, but don't let it beat you down! Go Blue!
 
pBar said:
To everyone worried about receiving interviews and the timing of such invites, I'd just like to remind everyone that interview invites are spread over the next couple months. Review is not based on chronological order and if you receive an interview invite, it could be next week, or it could be in November. Either way, you chances of admission following reception of an interview remain fairly constant throughout the interview cycle. For reference, I didn't receive an interview invite till October of last year and interviewed in December, despite submitting an application at the start of the July. Many of my current classmates were in a similar boat and interviewed in December and January after receiving later interviews. This cycle is long, and unpredictable, but don't let it beat you down! Go Blue!
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This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks, bud.
 
Has anyone gotten a pre-II R? Do they typically just place people on hold/soft reject?
 
pBar said:
To everyone worried about receiving interviews and the timing of such invites, I'd just like to remind everyone that interview invites are spread over the next couple months. Review is not based on chronological order and if you receive an interview invite, it could be next week, or it could be in November. Either way, you chances of admission following reception of an interview remain fairly constant throughout the interview cycle. For reference, I didn't receive an interview invite till October of last year and interviewed in December, despite submitting an application at the start of the July. Many of my current classmates were in a similar boat and interviewed in December and January after receiving later interviews. This cycle is long, and unpredictable, but don't let it beat you down! Go Blue!
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I'd like to emphasize this by saying, even though Michigan is a great school and I'd be glad to go there, the hype they try to build for their weekly release of interview invites is unhealthy (and a little silly in my personal opinion, but I concede the school has great spirit).

Try not to obsess over "Michigan Mondays" or else you risk riding an emotional rollercoaster for weeks (or months) to come. Remember that IIs can come as late as the middle of the winter.
 
Also, won’t there not be a Michigan Monday next week?
 
wiswal said:
Also, won’t there not be a Michigan Monday next week?
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Ahh that would be great! A brief moment of respite for my soul from the torrential buffeting that is this application cycle.
 
wiswal said:
Haha, I’m asking if there will not be one this Monday for Labor Day
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I know; I was just trying to be funny!! Since I gave you a hard time, the least I could do to make it up to you is to do the legwork and get you an answer!

According to last year's thread, there was no Michigan Monday Labor Day week, so you guys can take the week off and regroup on 9/14.
 
KnightDoc said:
I know; I was just trying to be funny!! Since I gave you a hard time, the least I could do to make it up to you is to do the legwork and get you an answer!

According to last year's thread, there was no Michigan Monday Labor Day week, so you guys can take the week off and regroup on 9/14.
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Thanks! And no hard feelings haha!

Are you applying next year?
 
wiswal said:
Thanks! And no hard feelings haha!

Are you applying next year?
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To Michigan, or anywhere?

If it's Michigan, I'd love to, but the odds look terrible, so I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. That's one reason I'm following now with interest, to see how you guys make out.

If it's anywhere, I can't keep straight who I told what to! 🙂 Yes -- I was setting up to apply this year, but the interruption to my MCAT and ECs made that seem unwise, so I'm taking the advice of the adcoms I love arguing with so much, and I'm going to wait a year to try to avoid being a reapplicant.

MCAT is now out of the way, but I had to spend time I was planning to spend on secondaries studying, so that messed me up. Also, I have no research and light clinical because of COVID, so I'm going to take an unplanned gap year rather than trying to rush a late application with sub par ECs this year.
 
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Unconditionalloves said:
Is taco Tuesday this coming week.
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Every day is Taco Tuesday if you believe hard enough
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anonymoususer343434 said:
They've actually sent out ~ 75, and they seem to interview 500 a year (based on previous years) but they also have over 7,000 applications to date I believe. 8/24 is relatively late considering how many have already applied, but it is a long process and they will get to it eventually. Best thing to do is not stalk these threads and wait for your own email, but if you're neurotic like me that's impossible 🙂
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Where did you get the 7,000 total applications number? Last year there were 8,000+ so does that mean the cycle will be easier this year due to covid?
 
concernedrona said:
Where did you get the 7,000 total applications number? Last year there were 8,000+ so does that mean the cycle will be easier this year due to covid?
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They publish it on their website. Sorry, not easier this cycle -- it's at 8,294 today! They publish a ton of detailed data, and their historical averages suggest they will receive less than 1,000 additional applications the rest of the way, but they are already above last year and their 5-year average, so no, it's not going to be easier this year due to COVID.
 
babygreenbeans said:
dang just saw their 5 yr snapshot which says they gave only 40 interviews to people complete in august versus 400 to those in june/july....
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A cautionary tale for why applying early is the best advice to give applicants. I love that Michigan is up front and honest about these numbers though, and I wish more schools would publish data like this. Since the application transmission was delayed two weeks this cycle I would think more interviews will be given to applicants who were complete in August.
 
babygreenbeans said:
dang just saw their 5 yr snapshot which says they gave only 40 interviews to people complete in august versus 400 to those in june/july....
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Dang :/ It kind of sucks for people who wait for committee letters tho. I submitted in July but my school took FOREVER to send my letters, which were finally received mid-August :/
 
ya i know a lot of schools that do that. idk how valid it is to technically subtract 14 days from complete date in order to scale to previous years...it couldve been a valid method if there werent even MORE apps this year than any year before lol
 
BJoverTrapper said:
A cautionary tale for why applying early is the best advice to give applicants. I love that Michigan is up front and honest about these numbers though, and I wish more schools would publish data like this. Since the application transmission was delayed two weeks this cycle I would think more interviews will be given to applicants who were complete in August.
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Yet, number of application are increased by 940 and counting, from 5 years average ~7350, about ~13%, which is significant increase.
 
HopeP said:
Yet, number of application are increased by 940 and counting, from 5 years average ~7350, about ~13%, which is significant increase.
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Yeah, but that's not a valid comparison. Add this year to the five year cumulative, drop the sixth year, and tell us what the percentage increase is then. If you want to look at percentage increases, calculate it from last year, where, reportedly, over 8,000 applications were received. It's still up this year, but by nowhere near 13%. Saying applications are up significantly from six years ago is pretty meaningless if they've been going up every year since then, which they have been!!!
 
KnightDoc said:
Yeah, but that's not a valid comparison. Add this year to the five year cumulative, drop the sixth year, and tell us what the percentage increase is then. If you want to look at percentage increases, calculate it from last year, where, reportedly, over 8,000 applications were received. It's still up this year, but by nowhere near 13%. Saying applications are up significantly from six years ago is pretty meaningless if they've been going up every year since then, which they have been!!!
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You can't misinterpret original statement, ~13% increase from 5 years average, as YoY %.
 
HopeP said:
You can't interpret original statement, ~13% increase from 5 years average, as YoY %.
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Yes, we are saying the same thing. Why would you characterize a 13% increase over a 5 year average as significant? One is an average over time, and one isn't!!! Look at this year's 5 year average compared to last year's, or this year's number compared to last year's, but why look at this year's number compared to last year's 5 year average?
 
KnightDoc said:
One is an average over time, and one isn't!!! Look at this year's 5 year average compared to last year's
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That will be stated as 5 year average increase %, which you are free to quote.

KnightDoc said:
but why look at this year's number compared to last year's 5 year average
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Average at least provides more realistic number than any YoY skewing. You can do 10 years or 3 years average too and see where it stands.
 
HopeP said:
That will be stated as 5 year average increase %, which you are free to quote.


Average at least provide more realistic number than any YoY skewing. You can do 10 years or 3 years average too and see where it stands.
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GREAT!!!! But then you have to calculate a new average, before calculating a 5 year average % increase.

Don't worry about me quoting that number. I wouldn't quote that number, because it is meaningless. It's this year's number, quoted as a percentage increase over the average from 2015-16 through 2019-20. So what, who cares? The number has been going up each year. It would show an increase even if applications dropped from last year, in which case it wouldn't just be meaningless, it would also be misleading!
 
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KnightDoc said:
GREAT!!!! But then you have to calculate a new average, before calculating a 5 year average % increase. I wouldn't quote that number, because it is meaningless. It's this year's number, quoted as a percentage increase over the average from 2015-16 through 2019-20. So what, who cares? The number has been going up each year. It would show an increase even if applications dropped from last year, in which case it wouldn't just be meaningless, it would also be misleading!
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KD - I think you are the only one that cares. :happy: The numbers are up - that's really the only point here.
 
KnightDoc said:
It would show an increase even if applications dropped from last year, in which case it wouldn't just be meaningless, it would also be misleading!
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that is a misleading statement as you are assumed dropped number of applicants this year is higher than previous 5 years average. Which is a hypothesis, and can be lower than previous 5 years average, not facts.
KnightDoc said:
I wouldn't quote that number, because it is meaningless.
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You don't want to quote the number, but using it to misinterpret what I stated.
Well feel free to ignore the trend whenever you apply and adopt the number that fits your thought process! Oh well, I forget your law background. 🙂
 
Putkernerinthehall said:
KD - I think you are the only one that cares. :happy: The numbers are up - that's really the only point here.
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The thing is, the numbers are kinda always up - each year, there are more and more applicants, and this year is nothing new. I think the issue KD is trying to describe is that by painting an increase this year or the past 1-2 cycles as something out of the ordinary or incredibly significant, it's bordering on fear-mongering and isn't productive. General fact of the matter is: apps are increasing as normal, COVID didn't make things easier (and TBD how much harder things might be in terms of how many apps schools receive), and we can't exactly do much about it so might as well continue as is without making drastic claims in either direction?
 
Putkernerinthehall said:
KD - I think you are the only one that cares. :happy: The numbers are up - that's really the only point here.
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And, the thing is, I actually don't really care, and, it doesn't matter either way. I'm just pointing out that it's stupid to say apps are up over 13% over a 5 year average, because that metric is very meaningless when apps have been going up every single year during that span. What's the point? And what's the difference? No applicant has a 13% lower chance to receive an II or A over last year, and, even if they did, what could be done about it???

Averages are best used to smooth out volatility when a series of numbers goes up and down somewhat randomly. They do nothing but artificially depress a series when it is increasing consistently each year. What's the relevance of presenting an average of the past 5 years when it has been going up each year? What difference is it to any of us the amount by which this year's applicant pool exceeds the average of the pool from 2015 through last year? It might be interesting to know what this year's pool looks like as compared to last year, but this year compared to an average that includes the class that just graduated? Why??
 
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KnightDoc said:
What's the relevance of presenting an average of the past 5 years when it has been going up each year?
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Well i guess you know better than UMich Medical school that decided to publish and more transparent that way than other SOMs.
 
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