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Patagonia_123 said:
I’m on top tier and I wonder if I’ll get pulled off of it in Feb? Very unlikely but we shall pray.
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I’m assuming Jan 4 offers that weren’t taken by feb 4 will go to existing WL.
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mr.medical said:
Hey how do loans work with this school again?
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All private. They have some collective bargaining that they've done but you are required to qualify for and get your own private loan.

One of my biggest concerns and one of the biggest issue with this school.
 
econpremed said:
You mean they will move up in the WL?
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Probably.

They will see how many offers weren't accepted. Give those to the next in line.

Reevaluate the WL and maybe move things around pending new grades, MCAT etc.

Then give a new WL that will be used up until orientation.

They could reevaluate first and then give offers.

Hahaha i feel bad for the soul who does the nest Faculty Friday. THEY WILL GET SLAMMED with questions about the WL haha.
 
Cptoveur said:
That’s what I’m hoping for. Pull from t25, Then sending another A wave from Jan interviewees as well.
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Would make sense. Where are you on the WL?

I think there will be multiple WL waves that will get smaller until about mid July.
 
tennis2222 said:
Are you implying that those placed on the WL be considered for acceptance before those who just interviewed In January or was this said somewhere?
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Not necessarily, I’m just guessing they did something like this. Dec interviews got 30-45 A’s in Jan, then in Feb those that didn’t secure a seat, the WL gets pulled from the top and also another 30-45 A’s go out for Jan interviewees.
They did say that those that interview later would have an equal chance, but this can only go on so long.

This is also Partially wishful thinking on my part as I’m t25 and eager as everyone else to see WL movement sooner rather than later, so hoping to hear something after Feb 4 since that is after 30 days from the first A wave.

Also they did indicate a WL re-eval nlt mid feb so this lines up with that.
 
I really need to know if going to a new school hurts your chances of matching into a specialized residency programs like gen surgery, ortho, derm the first time you apply or if we need to wait a year after graduation for the school to get accredited. I have no doubt that Noorda will get accredited, but We need to know if we will be able to submit residency applications in the fall or wait a year for Noorda to get accredited. I have no doubt Noorda will get accredited , but it would not be until the following summer (after first graduating class) and by that time students will already match before Noorda is accredited.. How would it work for the first graduating class of any med school?
 
27SDtauras said:
I really need to know if going to a new school hurts your chances of matching into a specialized residency programs like gen surgery, ortho, derm the first time you apply or if we need to wait a year after graduation for the school to get accredited. I have no doubt that Noorda will get accredited, but We need to know if we will be able to submit residency applications in the fall or wait a year for Noorda to get accredited. I have no doubt Noorda will get accredited , but it would not be until the following summer (after first graduating class) and by that time students will already match before Noorda is accredited.. How would it work for the first graduating class of any med school?
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Sounds like you have 2 questions here. Let me try and break it down.

1. Going to a DO school, especially a new DO school, that no residency programs no of, no students have done Sub-Is from that is frankly unknown is always a challenge. DOs match in all specialties but it is more challenging to match into Derm, plastics, optho, ortho then from MD programs. It will be even harder from a DO school. That being said there will be students who match in sub specialties from Noorda year 1. They probably won't get Stanford IM or Harvard GS but people will get variety.

The competitiveness of specialties you listed is different. GS is not as competitive as Ortho or Derm. Depends on what you want. It is possible to get those it will just be more challenging coming form an unknown. With Step 1 going P/F and the COMLEX going P/F this will most likely put DOs (especially DOs from new or not well known programs) at a disadvantage. The residency merger has made this more complicated as well and I don't think people fully understand what the new reality is. There will always be an exception where someone gets a spot but a singular person does not constitute the norm. By and large sub specialties will be much more challenging from a new DO school then somewhere like Des Moines, KCU, WesternU or an MD program.

2. Noorda will be able to match and start residency their first year. Accreditation will not be a problem and students will match their first year. BCOM placed people in a variety of specialties their first year and everyone started that same time. There should be no delay.
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
Sounds like you have 2 questions here. Let me try and break it down.

1. Going to a DO school, especially a new DO school, that no residency programs no of, no students have done Sub-Is from that is frankly unknown is always a challenge. DOs match in all specialties but it is more challenging to match into Derm, plastics, optho, ortho then from MD programs. It will be even harder from a DO school. That being said there will be students who match in sub specialties from Noorda year 1. They probably won't get Stanford IM or Harvard GS but people will get variety.

The competitiveness of specialties you listed is different. GS is not as competitive as Ortho or Derm. Depends on what you want. It is possible to get those it will just be more challenging coming form an unknown. With Step 1 going P/F and the COMLEX going P/F this will most likely put DOs (especially DOs from new or not well known programs) at a disadvantage. The residency merger has made this more complicated as well and I don't think people fully understand what the new reality is. There will always be an exception where someone gets a spot but a singular person does not constitute the norm. By and large sub specialties will be much more challenging from a new DO school then somewhere like Des Moines, KCU, WesternU or an MD program.

2. Noorda will be able to match and start residency their first year. Accreditation will not be a problem and students will match their first year. BCOM placed people in a variety of specialties their first year and everyone started that same time. There should be no
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OsteoHopeful1 said:
Sounds like you have 2 questions here. Let me try and break it down.

1. Going to a DO school, especially a new DO school, that no residency programs no of, no students have done Sub-Is from that is frankly unknown is always a challenge. DOs match in all specialties but it is more challenging to match into Derm, plastics, optho, ortho then from MD programs. It will be even harder from a DO school. That being said there will be students who match in sub specialties from Noorda year 1. They probably won't get Stanford IM or Harvard GS but people will get variety.

The competitiveness of specialties you listed is different. GS is not as competitive as Ortho or Derm. Depends on what you want. It is possible to get those it will just be more challenging coming form an unknown. With Step 1 going P/F and the COMLEX going P/F this will most likely put DOs (especially DOs from new or not well known programs) at a disadvantage. The residency merger has made this more complicated as well and I don't think people fully understand what the new reality is. There will always be an exception where someone gets a spot but a singular person does not constitute the norm. By and large sub specialties will be much more challenging from a new DO school then somewhere like Des Moines, KCU, WesternU or an MD program.

2. Noorda will be able to match and start residency their first year. Accreditation will not be a problem and students will match their first year. BCOM placed people in a variety of specialties their first year and everyone started that same time. There should be no delay.
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Wow thank you so much. I understand that we all have to do well on the board exams and how being from a brand new school places a greater barrier on students. I just wasn’t sure about the timelines when applying to residency’s. At Noorda, I truly believe they have something special brewing and with all the clinical partnerships they have, there will be so many doctors with connections to help students match (just my humble opinion)
 
27SDtauras said:
Wow thank you so much. I understand that we all have to do well on the board exams and how being from a brand new school places a greater barrier on students. I just wasn’t sure about the timelines when applying to residency’s. At Noorda, I truly believe they have something special brewing and with all the clinical partnerships they have, there will be so many doctors with connections to help students match (just my humble opinion)
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100% there is always a chance. Just a few more hoops from a new school.

I think they have some fantastic things coming as well. It will just take some growing pains. It will be interesting to see how those conections work. Important to note that most of their sites are community without residency programs.

Have you interviewed?
 
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I'm feeling pretty good about coming out of Noorda fairly competitive for residency spots. Most DO schools are built around getting their students into primary care and don't have a lot of options when it comes to research, most specialized DO's I've talked to said that that was their greatest weakness at residency interviews, was the lack of research. One school I interviewed with talked about their research opportunities, but when I asked my interviewers about it, the response left me feeling like their original research inclusion hype was mostly talk. I actually think my interest in including research may have prevented an A at that school lol.

Especially with STEP and COMPLEX going P/F, I think that with Noorda building some of these opportunities into their curriculum they will be successful at matching students into competitive residencies. I understand it's a gamble with the unknowns, but I'm feeling these odds!

P.S. I gotta find a distraction until Feb, the anticipation is driving me crazy haha
 
Luav said:
I'm feeling pretty good about coming out of Noorda fairly competitive for residency spots. Most DO schools are built around getting their students into primary care and don't have a lot of options when it comes to research, most specialized DO's I've talked to said that that was their greatest weakness at residency interviews, was the lack of research. One school I interviewed with talked about their research opportunities, but when I asked my interviewers about it, the response left me feeling like their original research inclusion hype was mostly talk. I actually think my interest in including research may have prevented an A at that school lol.

Especially with STEP and COMPLEX going P/F, I think that with Noorda building some of these opportunities into their curriculum they will be successful at matching students into competitive residencies. I understand it's a gamble with the unknowns, but I'm feeling these odds!

P.S. I gotta find a distraction until Feb, the anticipation is driving me crazy haha
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I agree. Noorda doing research is HUGE! Single biggest thing that has held DO schools back. THIS IS AWESOME.

That being said it being a new school poses challenges.

You on the WL currently? Which tier? Tell me about it. Hard not to be neurotic during the unknown wait hahaha.
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
100% there is always a chance. Just a few more hoops from a new school.

I think they have some fantastic things coming as well. It will just take some growing pains. It will be interesting to see how those conections work. Important to note that most of their sites are community without residency programs.

Have you interviewed?
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Yes. Received the A
 
hopefulmdtobe said:
I think they said early Feb
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i want it now parks and recreation GIF
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
I agree. Noorda doing research is HUGE! Single biggest thing that has held DO schools back. THIS IS AWESOME.

That being said it being a new school poses challenges.

You on the WL currently? Which tier? Tell me about it. Hard not to be neurotic during the unknown wait hahaha.
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I definitely agree as well.

The staff are also from a variety of institutions as well. They’re not new to the med school game.
 
stardocscream said:
I definitely agree as well.

The staff are also from a variety of institutions as well. They’re not new to the med school game.
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I foresee Noorda's first match being similar to how BCOM's first match was this past year. Had people who matched into uber specialties and an impressive match list but also had 25% of the class not match.
 
bobsaywhat said:
I foresee Noorda's first match being similar to how BCOM's first match was this past year. Had people who matched into uber specialties and an impressive match list but also had 25% of the class not match.
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I think that's reasonable. There are always challenges at new schools.

The Urology and Ophthalmology from BCOM were pretty wild. The 25% unmatched is bad. Unfortunately that is a reality.
 
bobsaywhat said:
I foresee Noorda's first match being similar to how BCOM's first match was this past year. Had people who matched into uber specialties and an impressive match list but also had 25% of the class not match.
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That 25% not matching kind of concerns me.

Of course, it is up to the student to maximize himself / herself and succeed. There is no more hand-holding in this realm.
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
I think that's reasonable. There are always challenges at new schools.

The Urology and Ophthalmology from BCOM were pretty wild. The 25% unmatched is bad. Unfortunately that is a reality.
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25% unmatched??? Holy...
Please tell me there’s a new school with a better match record. That’s very concerning
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
I agree. Noorda doing research is HUGE! Single biggest thing that has held DO schools back. THIS IS AWESOME.

That being said it being a new school poses challenges.

You on the WL currently? Which tier? Tell me about it. Hard not to be neurotic during the unknown wait hahaha.
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Haha definitely me. I’m currently on the high tier WL, waiting on that WL movement.
 
DrThanos said:
BCOM had a 100% placement rate. However, their inaugural class had a 75% completion date. So of the students that made it to 4th year, they all matched.
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Which is good the 4th years matched but normal class attrition is 2-5%. This is why new schools are a gamble, just cause they have everything looking good on paper, it can take months or years to get curriculum and faculty to gel.
 
Thanks for the correction. I should have looked at the state myself.
Great insights!
 
so i had updates that I sent to all of the schools I applied for, but I didnt send one to noorda because I already had an II, so how long after the interview would it be appropriate to send my update letter? or do I just not ?
 
precariousapp said:
Can you expand on this? I haven't researched their rotation sites that much but with all their big hospital connections I assumed rotations would perhaps be there? I've heard horror stories of some schools sending their students off to tiny rural clinics that aren't equipped to teach students and was hoping that wouldn't be our fate!

I recall adcoms on SDN saying BCOM had the lowest board scores of all schools last year and its low match rate was shocking and extremely worrisome, so I think it's safe to assume that BCOM is an outlier even among new DO schools. Goro put it on his "bad boys list" for this reason I believe (to be fair he's skeptical of all new schools until they prove themselves by matching a class but BCOM's scores/attrition rates speak for themselves).

I feel the same, I found it super refreshing that Noorda doesn't seem to have a mission centering specifically around rural primary care, which seems to be the case at many super established DO schools. It's an excellent mission to have but since it's not my main interest I was grateful to find DO schools that didn't push rural med or primary care on their students 🙂
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Sure. So Utah County is a college town with BYU and UVU. That being said Noorda is the only medical school in Utah County and one of 3 in the state. The University of Utah is an MD program with its own hospital so we obviously do not do rotation there.

The biggest hospital in Utah County is Utah Valley Hospital. It is a teaching hospital but ONLY has a Family Medicine Residency. All of the other hospitals are community hospitals WITHOUT residency programs, to my knowledge. So if you were on an Surgery rotation you would be with attending who generally do not probably teach other than when they have FM residents rotating through. That being said the preceptors will have signed up so you hope they actually teach and just don't use you as a shadow.

This differs from say Oklahoma State, WesternU, University of Utah because all of these are either attached too or have affiliations with teaching hospitals that are academic centers and have med students in all sorts of specialties. Even the largest hospital in the Intermountain System (INTERMOUNTAIN MEDICAL CENTER) is not filled with residents. The negative of community centers is it makes getting SubI locations a HUGE deal. You want to apply to residency with SUBIs from academic centers NOT community centers with NO residency programs.

I imagine this will all play out well but there will be implementation and growing pains with med students beginning to rotate. I do believe Rocky Vista has some students rotating through there as well so they may be the better source of info. Most DO schools have issues getting rotations at BIG academic centers, that is just a negative of DO clinical curriculum. MD programs are able to send their students to rotate with attending who literally love to teach and took a job to teach. DO's don't get that luxury so it is more hit and miss.

* This is just my understanding of Noorda and DO schools. Again this doesn't make Noorda a bad school but it is important to be aware of. It will be harder to get GREAT rotation sights at Noorda vs. WesternU, Des Moines etc.


As for BCOM. I think a lot of new schools struggle with initial board scores and failure rates. There really is no way of knowing how that will play out. That is why Goro and others generally advise against them vs. known schools ie. DMU, KCU, WesternU, KCOM etc.

I agree. I think the willingness of Noorda to try and get students into all specialties is great and refreshing to hear as so many DO schools don't and it kind of pigeon holds them into rural primary care.
 
OsteoHopeful1 said:
Sure. So Utah County is a college town with BYU and UVU. That being said Noorda is the only medical school in Utah County and one of 3 in the state. The University of Utah is an MD program with its own hospital so we obviously do not do rotation there.

The biggest hospital in Utah County is Utah Valley Hospital. It is a teaching hospital but ONLY has a Family Medicine Residency. All of the other hospitals are community hospitals WITHOUT residency programs, to my knowledge. So if you were on an Surgery rotation you would be with attending who generally do not probably teach other than when they have FM residents rotating through. That being said the preceptors will have signed up so you hope they actually teach and just don't use you as a shadow.

This differs from say Oklahoma State, WesternU, University of Utah because all of these are either attached too or have affiliations with teaching hospitals that are academic centers and have med students in all sorts of specialties. Even the largest hospital in the Intermountain System (INTERMOUNTAIN MEDICAL CENTER) is not filled with residents. The negative of community centers is it makes getting SubI locations a HUGE deal. You want to apply to residency with SUBIs from academic centers NOT community centers with NO residency programs.

I imagine this will all play out well but there will be implementation and growing pains with med students beginning to rotate. I do believe Rocky Vista has some students rotating through there as well so they may be the better source of info. Most DO schools have issues getting rotations at BIG academic centers, that is just a negative of DO clinical curriculum. MD programs are able to send their students to rotate with attending who literally love to teach and took a job to teach. DO's don't get that luxury so it is more hit and miss.

* This is just my understanding of Noorda and DO schools. Again this doesn't make Noorda a bad school but it is important to be aware of. It will be harder to get GREAT rotation sights at Noorda vs. WesternU, Des Moines etc.


As for BCOM. I think a lot of new schools struggle with initial board scores and failure rates. There really is no way of knowing how that will play out. That is why Goro and others generally advise against them vs. known schools ie. DMU, KCU, WesternU, KCOM etc.

I agree. I think the willingness of Noorda to try and get students into all specialties is great and refreshing to hear as so many DO schools don't and it kind of pigeon holds them into rural primary care.
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Also important to note that the rotation sites for Noorda vary from Large (Utah Valley Hospital) to rural. A large hospital though does not indicate an academic center. This is important because Letters of Rec, Rotations, and SubIs generally hold more value and water when done at ACADEMIC centers. For example if you wanted to do Internal Medicine a letter of rec from a physician at the University of Utah IM program would be better than one from Lehi Community Hospital where the physician is an employee of private practice group with privileges. This is why many DO students will do MORE SubIs out of state and away.
 
precariousapp said:
Can you expand on this? I haven't researched their rotation sites that much but with all their big hospital connections I assumed rotations would perhaps be there? I've heard horror stories of some schools sending their students off to tiny rural clinics that aren't equipped to teach students and was hoping that wouldn't be our fate!
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Utah has very few residency programs. Most of them are associated with the University of Utah which is pretty unfriendly to DOs in general. so most of your rotations will be 1 on 1 with preceptors. This is not a bad thing but in order to be licensed a school must have at least one rotation with a residency program.

As far as BCOM their performance was bad but that is around the norm for new schools, so expect something along those lines.
No DO school forces their students into rural care, but you have to realize by attending a DO school there is about 60-75% chance you end up in primary care regardless of the school you attend.
 
drstranger said:
Utah has very few residency programs. Most of them are associated with the University of Utah which is pretty unfriendly to DOs in general. so most of your rotations will be 1 on 1 with preceptors. This is not a bad thing but in order to be licensed a school must have at least one rotation with a residency program.

As far as BCOM their performance was bad but that is around the norm for new schools, so expect something along those lines.
No DO school forces their students into rural care, but you have to realize by attending a DO school there is about 60-75% chance you end up in primary care regardless of the school you attend.
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Well said. You'll be traveling for SubIs for sure.

KCOM, and ATSU-SOMA are the only 2 that I'm aware of that will actively try and not get you to specialize, per what I've heard.
 
precariousapp said:
Thank you both for the thorough explanations. I guess I always considered getting accepted to be the "hard part" and once I was a med student the rest would all just fall into place and play out as it should even if I went to a DO or a new school, but it looks like there are a lot more hurdles in place as far as rotations/residencies than I ever even wanted to think about. If we all end up matriculating here I sincerely hope the school admin is able to support us in figuring out decent rotations/recs/etc if we want to specialize. I don't blame Noorda as I know this is part of growing pains for all new schools, and it seems like DOs are in a precarious position currently with Step 1 P/F and residency mergers but fingers crossed we'll all be able to do residencies in fields we want!
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You bet. We're all trying to figure it out haha.

Getting in is hard. Life is just harder at certain places haha. I would imagine they will do all they can. However, at the end of the day you need to make it work for you.

Keep us posted and good luck!
 
azizi_az said:
so i had updates that I sent to all of the schools I applied for, but I didnt send one to noorda because I already had an II, so how long after the interview would it be appropriate to send my update letter? or do I just not ?
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I would not, per their emails thus far

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azizi_az said:
Okay nice, I haven't gotten any sort of decisions yet though but I emailed them and they told me the same thing (to use aacomas) but they said if I wanted to send an update letter, I could.
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Ah, well then I guess it doesn’t hurt if you have it all ready to go 🙃
 
If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been any acceptances sent out for January interviewees. I just interviewed yesterday and I'm wondering what to expect... I wonder if they are going to lump us all January folk into a couple waves of As, WLs and Rs at the turn of the month, or go in order of interview dates.

Inquire minds want to... speculate - lol
 
Boulette said:
If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been any acceptances sent out for January interviewees. I just interviewed yesterday and I'm wondering what to expect... I wonder if they are going to lump us all January folk into a couple waves of As, WLs and Rs at the turn of the month, or go in order of interview dates.

Inquire minds want to... speculate - lol
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I know this isnt the answer youre looking for lol but how was the interview, any tips?
 
Boulette said:
If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been any acceptances sent out for January interviewees. I just interviewed yesterday and I'm wondering what to expect... I wonder if they are going to lump us all January folk into a couple waves of As, WLs and Rs at the turn of the month, or go in order of interview dates.

Inquire minds want to... speculate - lol
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From reading this thread looks like they send out One Wave of As, Then a Wave of WL and Rs.

This will probably happen next month.
 
tavatar01 said:
I know this isnt the answer youre looking for lol but how was the interview, any tips?
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Honestly, previous assessments in this thread are very accurate. The interview was a mix of nice & conversational, and more challenging questions with rebuttals. The interviewers were very friendly.

Be yourself, truly, and dress for success. Even if they can’t see all your attire, studies show dressing the part makes people feel more confident (My random tip of the day, you’re welcome, lol!). I wish I could tell you more but ultimately, the NDA prevents me from giving you too many specifics, and how one prepares for an interview can be pretty individual. 🙂

You got this!!! Good luck!
 
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