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excitedfuturedoc said:
Do you guys know when in January of last year people were notified about post-II acceptances, waitlists and rejections?

I feel like Dean Rivera said during my interview day that we would hear back about final decisions in “mid-January” but I was just wondering if anyone had any sense of a more specific date? 😊🙏 Thanks so much!!!
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I’d look at past SDN threads!
 
excitedfuturedoc said:
Do you guys know when in January of last year people were notified about post-II acceptances, waitlists and rejections?

I feel like Dean Rivera said during my interview day that we would hear back about final decisions in “mid-January” but I was just wondering if anyone had any sense of a more specific date? 😊🙏 Thanks so much!!!
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It was Friday, January 3rd last year (you can see they tweeted it out that morning that that would be the final release date). But it seems like this year will probably be delayed and Dean Rivera said they like doing Friday decisions, so my guess would be Friday, January 15th.
 
proudofmykids said:
Tell those people recommending Harvard, that your starting salary won’t be any different at the end of the journey, and you would gladly go there if they picked up the $250K difference.
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Not everything is about money though. You may have slight edge in getting competitive specialty by going to Harvard/JHU/UCSF and in getting first job.
 
EdgeTrimmer said:
Not everything is about money though. You may have slight edge in getting competitive specialty by going to Harvard/JHU/UCSF and in getting first job.
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Sure, if you can pay it in cash and money is no object to you. $250K is a massive difference and especially if you're taking out loans, the unquantifiable "slight edge" seems pretty risky to me. Just by the compounding effect that $250K is going to be equivalent to around $350K by the time you're an attending. Most likely your education will be what you make it no matter which top school you go to. Save the money imo.
 
housemdtypedoc said:
Sure, if you can pay it in cash and money is no object to you. $250K is a massive difference and especially if you're taking out loans, the unquantifiable "slight edge" seems pretty risky to me. Just by the compounding effect that $250K is going to be equivalent to around $350K by the time you're an attending. Most likely your education will be what you make it no matter which top school you go to. Save the money imo.
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I agree if you are taking loans I won't advocate for giving up free tuition. Some say that $250K is worth couple of millions by the time you retire.
 
housemdtypedoc said:
Sure, if you can pay it in cash and money is no object to you. $250K is a massive difference and especially if you're taking out loans, the unquantifiable "slight edge" seems pretty risky to me. Just by the compounding effect that $250K is going to be equivalent to around $350K by the time you're an attending. Most likely your education will be what you make it no matter which top school you go to. Save the money imo.
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Not to mention, the "slight edge" is absolute BS when you are talking about T10. Just ask anyone who is actually inside and knows what they are talking about.

These are all very prestigious schools, with amazing research, great reputations and awesome opportunities. Everyone who posts something related to slight theoretical differences is just mesmerized by insignificant differences in ranking, and is discounting the fact that the student still has to perform, and that performance is ultimately much more significant than whether your school is ranked #1 or #6.

This is why people from low ranked schools sometimes match to very competitive specialties while some people from Harvard or UCSF end up in family medicine. No one good enough to be accepted by Harvard/JHU/UCSF is going to be handicapped at all, even slightly, coming out of NYU. By the way, the market has spoken on this, as NYU's yield has jumped from 33% to 66% in the two years since it went tuition free. This isn't the result of a bunch of otherwise extremely intelligent people pissing away their futures chasing a few bucks that could be easily recouped after taking advantage of the so-called "slight edge in matching to a competitive specialty and in getting first job"! 😎
 
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EdgeTrimmer said:
Not everything is about money though. You may have slight edge in getting competitive specialty by going to Harvard/JHU/UCSF and in getting first job.
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It wouldn’t make up the difference of $250K invested during medschool.

The question of NYU vs Harvard, JHU, Penn or any other is only insignificant to those that don’t or wouldn’t ask the question in the first place! Who are typically full financial aid recipients, or those where a couple million dollars (250k invested) wouldn’t make a difference.
 
EdgeTrimmer said:
Didn't understand what you were saying.
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Please allow me to translate 😎 -- the only people to whom a $250K tuition difference is irrelevant in making a decision between one T10 school and another are those who aren't paying the $250K because they are receiving full need-based scholarships OR those who have so much money (millions in liquid assets) that $250K is insignificant. For everyone else, there is no discernible benefit to be gained by spending $250K more for one T10 over another.

If this doesn't apply to you, then congratulations, you are the n=1 exception to this rule!! 😎 Before you go too far out on a limb here, you might want to wait and see what your kid's final options are, since, right now, you are arguing against exactly what you did for UG, with no adverse impact on your kid!!!! Why do you think T10 med schools are so, so different from T20 UGs with respect to opportunities and outcomes?
 
KnightDoc said:
Please allow me to translate 😎 -- the only people to whom a $250K tuition difference is irrelevant in making a decision between one T10 school and another are those who aren't paying the $250K because they are receiving full need-based scholarships OR those who have so much money (millions in liquid assets) that $250K is insignificant. For everyone else, there is no discernible benefit to be gained by spending $250K more for one T10 over another.

If this doesn't apply to you, then congratulations, you are the n=1 exception to this rule!! 😎 Before you go too far out on a limb here, you might want to wait and see what your kid's final options are, since, right now, you are arguing against exactly what you did for UG, with no adverse impact on your kid!!!! Why do you think T10 med schools are so, so different from T20 UGs with respect to opportunities and outcomes?
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For 250k, I totally agree. The question is where to draw the line. Is the H-bomb worth an extra 100k, 80k, 50k, 10k, 5k? We’ve all got big egos here, or at least I do. The H-bomb is powerfully tempting, if we are lucky enough to have a choice.
 
doctorBsquared said:
For 250k, I totally agree. The question is where to draw the line. Is the H-bomb worth an extra 100k, 80k, 50k, 10k, 5k? We’ve all got big egos here, or at least I do. The H-bomb is powerfully tempting, if we are lucky enough to have a choice.
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again loans vs no-loans, what do you value (prestige vs compounded money) and what specialty are you aiming for. With no loans and high paying specialty you can recover 250K quickly. Given step 1 P/F, how much prestige matters is in the future is up in the air.
 
EdgeTrimmer said:
again loans vs no-loans, what do you value (prestige vs compounded money) and what specialty are you aiming for. With no loans and high paying specialty you can recover 250K quickly. Given step 1 P/F, how much prestige matters is in the future is up in the air.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes -- prestige definitely matters, TO A POINT. Harvard will get you further than CNU. Further than NYU?? Let's wait and see, but there is honestly absolutely no reason to think so. You are studying match lists like they are revelations from above, providing the secrets of happiness and success.

I love my chicken and egg theory of everything, and truly, deep in my soul, believe that Harvard is Harvard because of its resources and who it attracts. All T10s have comparable resources, although some schools are certainly considered more prestigious and attract slightly more talented student bodies than others. Your kid proved pure prestige isn't the be all and end all determining successful outcomes.

NYU apparently has sufficient resources to provide a tuition free education to all, something the great Harvard/Stanford/JHU/Penn, etc. lack. Feel free to keep studying prior years' match lists to make a decision. My feeling is that the people turning down full pay at Harvard/JHU/Penn, etc. to go tuition free at NYU are going to take their prestigious, highly competitive specialty matches with them (just like your kid did at his T20 UG with his med school cycle 🙂), and the NYU match list a few years from now is going to look pretty f***ing good compared to any of them. THEN what will the @EdgeTrimmer of 2026 have to say about match lists and prestige?????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: All of a sudden, NYU will be the new Harvard. It already is in terms of scoring an II or A. This is no coincidence or accident. It is the entire rationale behind what NYU did in going tuition free.

Loans vs. no-loans is meaningless. Money is money, whether it is sitting in the bank, Tesla stock, home equity, or a loan balance.
 
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doctorBsquared said:
For 250k, I totally agree. The question is where to draw the line. Is the H-bomb worth an extra 100k, 80k, 50k, 10k, 5k? We’ve all got big egos here, or at least I do. The H-bomb is powerfully tempting, if we are lucky enough to have a choice.
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In a few years, it won't be an issue. The H bomb will no longer be the H bomb if they don't step up and compete with peer institutions offering merit money to top candidates. They think they have no peers. The movement of top candidates away from them and toward Geffen, JHU, Penn, NYU, etc. in response to big money offers will prove otherwise over time. Once reality sets in, even those with egos needing to be fed will gravitate towards NYU (and other top schools offering merit money) as they become widely recognized as being harder (and consequently, more "prestigious") to get into.

As @proudofmykids intimated, over time Harvard will become the preferred destination of very wealthy and very needy students, as well as folks with no T10 merit scholarship opportunities. The loss of the other students will surely cost them in the prestige department in the intermediate term. Once this starts happening, my prediction is that Harvard will step up to the plate, but it will take years to play out. JMHO.

Harvard will always be great, but not nearly as great as it has been historically as more and more upper middle class students come to the realization that opportunities are fantastic at all T10s, and the Harvard name has no monetary or career opportunity value over other T10s, outside impressing their circle of friends and families.
 
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KnightDoc said:
In a few years, it won't be an issue. The H bomb will no longer be the H bomb if they don't step up and compete with peer institutions offering merit money to top candidates. They think they have no peers. The movement of top candidates away from them and toward Geffen, JHU, Penn, NYU, etc. in response to big money offers will prove otherwise over time. Once reality sets in, even those with egos needing to be fed will gravitate towards NYU (and other top schools offering merit money) as they become widely recognized as being harder (and consequently, more "prestigious") to get into.

As @proudofmykids intimated, over time Harvard will become the preferred destination of very wealthy and very needy students, as well as folks with no T10 merit scholarship opportunities. The loss of the other students will surely cost them in the prestige department in the intermediate term. Once this starts happening, my prediction is that Harvard will step up to the plate, but it will take years to play out. JMHO.

Harvard will always be great, but not nearly as great as it has been historically as more and more upper middle class students come to the realization that opportunities are fantastic at all T10s, and the Harvard name has no greater value over other T10s outside their circle of friends and families.
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The question is - how much time? For now, NYU is known as “the free one” and not for any of its other opportunities or students’ reputation. I’ve talked with current medical students and docs about schools, and few of them know much about NYU.
Just as a disclaimer, I am having fun with this conversation and don’t have my mind set either way. It’s an incredible privilege to be in at NYU, and I’ll be happy even if I don’t get in anywhere else.
 
doctorBsquared said:
The question is - how much time? For now, NYU is known as “the free one” and not for any of its other opportunities or students’ reputation. I’ve talked with current medical students and docs about schools, and few of them know much about NYU.
Just as a disclaimer, I am having fun with this conversation and don’t have my mind set either way. It’s an incredible privilege to be in at NYU, and I’ll be happy even if I don’t get in anywhere else.
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Are you in??? Congratulations!!!!!!! It's my dream school, and I actually thought I'd have had a decent shot before the scholarship, but I don't think I have a shot now, so I'm just projecting here! 😎

How much time? I dunno -- the yield moved pretty damn quickly! The class that entered in 2018 wasn't impacted, since they learned about the scholarship during their White Coat Ceremony. The first class reflecting the paradigm shift is the class of 2023. I'm predicting they will have measurably better outcomes than those who came before. That, plus the fact that it is probably already the toughest school in the country to get into with 100+ seats, simply has to lead to impressions changing.

People crapping all over NYU are either those receiving comparable money elsewhere or those who don't have an A. Show me someone here claiming to be willing to spend $100K for any school over NYU, and I'll show you a liar. For relatively smaller amounts, sure, people might want to go elsewhere because it is close to support systems, where they want to practice, they're not huge NYC fans, etc. But everyone has a number that means something to them, and it's less than $100K for most people. With respect to theoretical, potential better opportunities elsewhere, I'm not a med student, so I can't say anything from experience, but, within T10s, that just sounds like it has to be total BS, since they ALL have such great reputations, programs, opportunities, etc.
 
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KnightDoc said:
Are you in??? Congratulations!!!!!!! It's my dream school, and I actually thought I'd have had a decent shot before the scholarship, but I don't think I have a shot now, so I'm just projecting here! 😎

How much time? I dunno -- the yield moved pretty damn quickly! The class that entered in 2018 wasn't impacted, since they learned about the scholarship during their White Coat Ceremony. The first class reflecting the paradigm shift is the class of 2023. I'm predicting they will have measurably better outcomes than those who came before. That, plus the fact that it is probably already the toughest school in the country to get into with 100+ seats, simply has to lead to impressions changing.

People crapping all over NYU are already either those receiving comparable money elsewhere or those who don't have an A. Show me someone here claiming to be willing to spend $100K for any school over NYU, and I'll show you a liar. For relatively smaller amounts, sure, people might want to go elsewhere because it is close to support systems, where they want to practice, they're not huge NYC fans, etc. But everyone has a number that means something to them, and it's less than $100K for most people. With respect to theoretical, potential better opportunities elsewhere, I'm not a med student, so I can't say anything from experience, but, within T10s, that just sounds like it has to be total BS, since they ALL have such great reputations, programs, opportunities, etc.
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I am, thank you <3

No one has crapped on it that I know. But in my conversations with an M4 at Harvard and a doctor who went to JHU, neither of them paid much attention when I mentioned NYU, at least not nearly as much as when I mentioned a Harvard interview. I think among current applicants, the perspective is already quite different.

did you apply this cycle? Good luck wherever you’re at in the application cycle- they definitely wouldn’t have to ask you “why NYU” haha
 
doctorBsquared said:
I am, thank you <3

No one has crapped on it that I know. But in my conversations with an M4 at Harvard and a doctor who went to JHU, neither of them paid much attention when I mentioned NYU, at least not nearly as much as when I mentioned a Harvard interview. I think among current applicants, the perspective is already quite different.

did you apply this cycle? Good luck wherever you’re at in the application cycle- they definitely wouldn’t have to ask you “why NYU” haha
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No, I held off at the last minute due to EC and MCAT interruptions in the spring. I am ready to go next cycle, and don't quite know how to frame my "I was perfect for you before but now I'm not worthy" pitch, but I'm working on it! 😎

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Unless you are in a position to receive significant merit money elsewhere, or totally hate NYC, this is a no-brainer for you. My experience in talking to people mirrors yours, but that reflects a reality prior to Fall 2018. See who is among the 50 people turning down an A at NYU each year nowadays. You'll invariably find it's people receiving big money elsewhere. Nobody is paying an extra $250K based on Harvard's 2020 match list, no matter what anyone here thinks. They're paying the extra $250K because they are fortunate enough to have the Harvard A and don't have one from NYU.

No matter what anyone says on SDN, no one actually spends six figures of their own money on one T10 over another due to location or match lists. In fact, based on the way people chase As at brand new schools offering free tuition, if given the opportunity, the vast majority of people would choose an unranked free tuition school over a full pay T10. 😎 The 66% yield tells you all you need to know about what people are actually doing when the time comes.

Full tuition at a T10 can really only be compared to full tuition at other T10s, EVEN Harvard and Stanford. They'd have you believe otherwise, but the fact that Penn, UCLA, JHU, etc. are stepping up betrays that lie. An A at NYU is a golden ticket to money at other schools, or, at a minimum, a fantastic free medical education, along with all the opportunities that come with a T10 MD. Again, congratulations!!!!
 
KnightDoc said:
No, I held off at the last minute due to EC and MCAT interruptions in the spring. I am ready to go next cycle, and don't quite know how to frame my "I was perfect for you before but now I'm not worthy" pitch, but I'm working on it! 😎

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Unless you are in a position to receive significant merit money elsewhere, or totally hate NYC, this is a no-brainer for you. My experience in talking to people mirrors yours, but that reflects a reality prior to Fall 2018. See who is among the 50 people turning down an A at NYU each year nowadays. You'll invariably find it's people receiving big money elsewhere. Nobody is paying an extra $250K based on Harvard's 2020 match list, no matter what anyone here thinks. They're paying the extra $250K because they are fortunate enough to have the Harvard A and don't have one from NYU.

No matter what anyone says on SDN, no one actually spends six figures of their own money on one T10 over another due to location or match lists. In fact, based on the way people chase As at brand new schools offering free tuition, if given the opportunity, the vast majority of people would choose an unranked free tuition school over a full pay T10. 😎 The 66% yield tells you all you need to know about what people are actually doing when the time comes.

Full tuition at a T10 can really only be compared to full tuition at other T10s, EVEN Harvard and Stanford. They'd have you believe otherwise, but the fact that Penn, UCLA, JHU, etc. are stepping up betrays that lie. An A at NYU is a golden ticket to money at other schools, or, at a minimum, a fantastic free medical education, along with all the opportunities that come with a T10 MD. Again, congratulations!!!!
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Thanks very much, Knight! I do have some personal reasons why Boston might be a preferable city for me, and I really like Columbia’s Bassett program, which also has pretty good aid. But I can truly relax knowing that NYU would be phenomenal. And if the difference in cost comes out to 6 figures, I won’t have much to think about.

I’m convinced you may be Dean Rivera, but I’ll assume not for now haha. Sounds like you made the right move waiting until next cycle. Better to do it once when you’re sure things are ideally situated than to rush it. I hope it all works out in your favor.
 
applicant1010 said:
Has NYU completed all interviews? Anyone hear back after being placed on hold after interviewing? Last year it seems like final decisions came out on January 3rd and I'm just wondering if the timeline might be similar this year.
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Oh no, could it be this Monday? I'm not ready for this.

But I hope it's before the 3 year program essay deadline
 
applicant1010 said:
Has NYU completed all interviews? Anyone hear back after being placed on hold after interviewing? Last year it seems like final decisions came out on January 3rd and I'm just wondering if the timeline might be similar this year.
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All interviews were finished mid-Dec
 
Were we supposed to send letters of interest post hold? NYU seems to be too good but I also don't want my inaction to be the reason why...

Congrats to those accepted! Hope you celebrate with your loved ones 🙂
 
Are they calling all the As? Assuming they should wrap up pretty much today or tomorrow...
 
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eelsauce said:
Were we supposed to send letters of interest post hold? NYU seems to be too good but I also don't want my inaction to be the reason why...

Congrats to those accepted! Hope you celebrate with your loved ones 🙂
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I think during interview Dr Rivera alluded that they don’t mean much to admissions process.
 
waking up to kanye and jeffree and now seeing we are expecting post-hold R any minute.... i cant
 
ysu1213 said:
waking up to kanye and jeffree and now seeing we are expecting post-hold R any minute.... i cant
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Don't lose hope! On last year's thread someone posted that there were 110+ people in the facebook group on the day before they released post-II Rs and WLs... As of right now there are only 72 people in the fb group not counting admins so there are probably still some acceptances rolling out (or maybe that's just wishful thinking haha)
 
Mcath8er said:
I don’t think they’re done yet. Last year final results seemed to be released all at once (As/WL/Rs) so it doesn’t seem to be over at all. I think folks extrapolated too much from 1 tweet lol
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Last year they released all the WLs and Rs at once via email, but the last reported A was before that date via call.
 
Has anyone else who was previously on hold heard back today? And do we think that today is the last day that holds will be offered acceptances?
 
I got the acceptance call this afternoon!! I think I was the last person Dean Rivera called for the day. I interviewed 9/17 and got placed on hold shortly after. I wasn't expecting anything after this long! By the way, Dean Rivera said they still had a few more acceptances to give out and expected they'd finish by next week.
 
Their FB group grew from 77 people to 83 today... I'd say they probably have another 15-20 As to hand out assuming there are like 10-15 current students/admin in the mix and like 5-10 As prob don't use FB.
 
parametz said:
Their FB group grew from 77 people to 83 today... I'd say they probably have another 15-20 As to hand out assuming there are like 10-15 current students/admin in the mix and like 5-10 As prob don't use FB.
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I was accepted to the MSTP like a month ago and I haven't heard about the FB group (and I'm guessing other MD/PhD applicants haven't either)... so like the 10-20 of us aren't included either I guess lol 🙁
 
for hold people, is it a super bad time to send an update letter now? Apparently they are already releasing decisions for holds, so I assume they already made up their mind about us and an update letter wouldn't change anything... should I wait until I get my decision?
 
ysu1213 said:
for hold people, is it a super bad time to send an update letter now? Apparently they are already releasing decisions for holds, so I assume they already made up their mind about us and an update letter wouldn't change anything... should I wait until I get my decision?
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It doesn’t hurt, so why not? The only reason I wouldn’t is if you don’t have a significant update rn
 
definitely_chondria said:
I was accepted to the MSTP like a month ago and I haven't heard about the FB group (and I'm guessing other MD/PhD applicants haven't either)... so like the 10-20 of us aren't included either I guess lol 🙁
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I think someone from admissions saw this and added all of us this morning lol thank you!
 
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