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I think it’s very reasonable to be concerned about the effect of the curriculum change, but I think the doomer esque nature of that post overstated it.
Woah we had very different groups of students on interview day. All of mine were very confident about Step etc, very dismissive of that post, and just emphasized the importance of being self motivated to get the work done. I don’t think this curriculum issue will impact the guidance given around matching though, this is a really really great school
Yeah one of my medical students said that UCLA has a very "work hard, play hard" kinda culture in the sense that a lot of the learning falls on you as a student. Obviously every med student has different learning styles and so everyone is going to have different experiences but my med student was a first gen student and talked about he struggled a lot his first year. UCLA-DGSOM used to be my top school and I'm really grateful to have gotten A's elsewhere but I won't be super upset if I don't get off the waitlist tbh

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I don't think this is accurate.

The reason the guy posted it is because there was a news article that reported 50% of ucla students failing at least 1 shelf exam and 50% of students not taking Step 1 by some point in their third year. From what I understand, these are both true, unfortunately. I think the reason for these issues is most likely due to the new curriculum being implemented poorly. There has been drastic changes in student enrollment (see this reddit post: ), and I think some folks are trying to correlate the two (again, I think it's prob mostly due to the new curriculum).

Alright, this one may get deleted later.

Asians still comprise the largest group of students at DGSOM per MSAR.

DGSOM has 60%+ low SES students. Compare this to 6% at NYU. Most Schools have closer to 20%. You can check the data on admit.org excel document on rankings and see where this is pulled from.

People are always trying to figure out why DGSOM has slightly lower metrics on average. I promise you that the SES stats above are more correlated than race. There are also a lot of people that do not get into DGSOM as it has a huge applicant pool. Many of these people are Asian because the reality is that there are public high schools in greater LA where 70% of the student body is Asian. This can lead to a lot of frustration, but Asians still comprise the majority of the class.

People also love to attribute "poor performance" with having "less asians." The reality is that if someone wants to perpetuate the "school in crisis" stuff, it would be because the school and newest admission team is committed to their interpretation of equity and that has meant taking more low SES kids than nearly anywhere else. This can be understandably be a little rocky when you also have a shortened and student-friendly new curriculum and there were probably some minor issues. They seem to be trying to update the curriculum to address some of this.

If you want to base an argument on a school taking too many poor kids now, feel free. The uniqueness of a DGSOM class compared to other schools primarily stems from this, in my opinion. By the way, there are also low SES Asians! And my guess is they are more represented at DGSOM than nearly anywhere else. Do you think these students can become outstanding physicians at the same clip as people that have had more foundational opportunities? That can be debated. I think it is gutsy for a school to do what DGSOM does because as the SES data will tell you that is the true outlier with the student body. It is also kind of cool, compared to a peer institution with 6% low SES being the one with free tuition for all but also the highest stats with lowest SD.

I know a lot of people here are young, but try and have some agency and be a little less insecure. Even my words are just words on a forum. If this same perpetuated crisis rumor and instagram videos are enough to make you reconsider DGSOM and wish you were going to a different admit weekend, I do not think you are approaching this the right way. Medical school is for adult learners and you determine what you get out of your education and what opportunities are available to you regardless of where you go. If you can't get into a residency that you like while tied to the biggest healthcare system in LA (UCLA Health), it is on you, not the school and its reputation.

I also have worries, admittedly (that school in crisis article just annoys me). This next match list in march/april will be the first one with the new curriculum. We may find out if any residency directors are susceptible to rumors and I do not put it past them. But I also doubt it, and UCLA home programs are largely fine and they want to keep their students. Another thing is I also think that something odd is going on with their financial aid post Geffen scholarship and we will see what happens with that. I get the feeling they are low on donors, which is a shame. I also think that they are a bit nontransparent and "wishy washy" is not a bad way of describing their admin offices as someone else put lol.

But at the end of the day, only pre-meds could find a way to not see the value of going to the best medical school tied to the largest healthcare system in LOS ANGELES 😂😂 if you want to go to gunner-culture school where you can freeze half the year and work your ass off to make sure you dont feel in crisis feel free lol. UCLA is one of the best gigs in the country, if you do not have to pay an arm and a leg for it (and maybe even if you do), and it ALWAYS will be because LA is an extremely desirable and diverse place. I currently plan on passing on two T10s with full ride/tuition off if DGSOM can even approximate that amount of aid/ COA (which sadly, may not be the case based on last year's thread).

To anyone worried about the caliber of student that is considering DGSOM or goes to DGSOM, look at where else the students got in. Most of the time, it will include multiple acceptances to elite schools.
 
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Alright, this one may get deleted later.

Asians still comprise the largest group of students at DGSOM per MSAR.

DGSOM has 60%+ low SES students. Compare this to 6% at NYU. Most Schools have closer to 20%. You can check the data on admit.org excel document on rankings and see where this is pulled from.

People are always trying to figure out why DGSOM has slightly lower metrics on average. I promise you that the SES stats above are more correlated than race. There are also a lot of people that do not get into DGSOM as it has a huge applicant pool. Many of these people are Asian because the reality is that there are public high schools in greater LA where 70% of the student body is Asian. This can lead to a lot of frustration, but Asians still comprise the majority of the class.

People also love to attribute "poor performance" with having "less asians." The reality is that if someone wants to perpetuate the "school in crisis" stuff, it would be because the school and newest admission team is committed to their interpretation of equity and that has meant taking more low SES kids than nearly anywhere else. This can be understandably be a little rocky when you also have a shortened and student-friendly new curriculum and there were probably some minor issues. They seem to be trying to update the curriculum to address some of this.

If you want to base an argument on a school taking too many poor kids now, feel free. The uniqueness of a DGSOM class compared to other schools primarily stems from this, in my opinion. By the way, there are also low SES Asians! And my guess is they are more represented at DGSOM than nearly anywhere else. Do you think these students can become outstanding physicians at the same clip as people that have had more foundational opportunities? That can be debated. I think it is gutsy for a school to do what DGSOM does because as the SES data will tell you that is the true outlier with the student body. It is also kind of cool, compared to a peer institution with 6% low SES being the one with free tuition for all but also the highest stats with lowest SD.

I know a lot of people here are young, but try and have some agency and be a little less insecure. Even my words are just words on a forum. If this same perpetuated crisis rumor and instagram videos are enough to make you reconsider DGSOM and wish you were going to a different admit weekend, I do not think you are approaching this the right way. Medical school is for adult learners and you determine what you get out of your education and what opportunities are available to you regardless of where you go. If you can't get into a residency that you like while tied to the biggest healthcare system in LA (UCLA Health), it is on you, not the school and its reputation.

I also have worries, admittedly (that school in crisis article just annoys me). This next match list in march/april will be the first one with the new curriculum. We may find out if any residency directors are susceptible to rumors and I do not put it past them. But I also doubt it, and UCLA home programs are largely fine and they want to keep their students. Another thing is I also think that something odd is going on with their financial aid post Geffen scholarship and we will see what happens with that. I get the feeling they are low on donors, which is a shame. I also think that they are a bit nontransparent and "wishy washy" is not a bad way of describing their admin offices as someone else put lol.

But at the end of the day, only pre-meds could find a way to not see the value of going to the best medical school tied to the largest healthcare system in LOS ANGELES 😂😂 if you want to go to gunner-culture school where you can freeze half the year and work your ass off to make sure you dont feel in crisis feel free lol. UCLA is one of the best gigs in the country, if you do not have to pay an arm and a leg for it (and maybe even if you do), and it ALWAYS will be because LA is an extremely desirable and diverse place. I currently plan on passing on two T10s with full ride/tuition off if DGSOM can even approximate that amount of aid/ COA (which sadly, may not be the case based on last year's thread).

To anyone worried about the caliber of student that is considering DGSOM or goes to DGSOM, look at where else the students got in. Most of the time, it will include multiple acceptances to elite schools.

But yeah some of you sound like you are trying to get people to give up their spot with how you are writing in this thread lol. I feel bad for people that did not get in too! But come on guys, like if we are classmates lets be the reason the reputation stays strong. It is not the school's responsibility to get us to work hard when they are giving students the privilege of flexibility.
Not 100% sure what your point is here but I generally agree with what you're saying. To your point, if they only cared about stats, they could easily have a 520+ average, but they emphasize other parts of the application.

As a public school, I do think they should trying to help uplift people from lower income backgrounds, at least at a rate higher than private unis. My post was trying to give context as to why that instagram video was posted.

Generally, if you can get in, you can probably be self-disciplined enough to do very well here. I doubt the recent worries will have a drastic impact on how graduates are perceived (although only time will tell). That said, if people are going to spend hundreds of thousands of $$ and 4 years, they should learn about all the goods and bads of a school.
 
Happy hour with current UCLA students will be in 20-ish mins. It will be a great time to ask questions and get input about this curriculum issue. Let us know what they say (would be great for those of us who can’t attend)
Yes please!!
 
Alright, this one may get deleted later.

Asians still comprise the largest group of students at DGSOM per MSAR.

DGSOM has 60%+ low SES students. Compare this to 6% at NYU. Most Schools have closer to 20%. You can check the data on admit.org excel document on rankings and see where this is pulled from.

People are always trying to figure out why DGSOM has slightly lower metrics on average. I promise you that the SES stats above are more correlated than race. There are also a lot of people that do not get into DGSOM as it has a huge applicant pool. Many of these people are Asian because the reality is that there are public high schools in greater LA where 70% of the student body is Asian. This can lead to a lot of frustration, but Asians still comprise the majority of the class.

People also love to attribute "poor performance" with having "less asians." The reality is that if someone wants to perpetuate the "school in crisis" stuff, it would be because the school and newest admission team is committed to their interpretation of equity and that has meant taking more low SES kids than nearly anywhere else. This can be understandably be a little rocky when you also have a shortened and student-friendly new curriculum and there were probably some minor issues. They seem to be trying to update the curriculum to address some of this.

If you want to base an argument on a school taking too many poor kids now, feel free. The uniqueness of a DGSOM class compared to other schools primarily stems from this, in my opinion. By the way, there are also low SES Asians! And my guess is they are more represented at DGSOM than nearly anywhere else. Do you think these students can become outstanding physicians at the same clip as people that have had more foundational opportunities? That can be debated. I think it is gutsy for a school to do what DGSOM does because as the SES data will tell you that is the true outlier with the student body. It is also kind of cool, compared to a peer institution with 6% low SES being the one with free tuition for all but also the highest stats with lowest SD.

I know a lot of people here are young, but try and have some agency and be a little less insecure. Even my words are just words on a forum. If this same perpetuated crisis rumor and instagram videos are enough to make you reconsider DGSOM and wish you were going to a different admit weekend, I do not think you are approaching this the right way. Medical school is for adult learners and you determine what you get out of your education and what opportunities are available to you regardless of where you go. If you can't get into a residency that you like while tied to the biggest healthcare system in LA (UCLA Health), it is on you, not the school and its reputation.

I also have worries, admittedly (that school in crisis article just annoys me). This next match list in march/april will be the first one with the new curriculum. We may find out if any residency directors are susceptible to rumors and I do not put it past them. But I also doubt it, and UCLA home programs are largely fine and they want to keep their students. Another thing is I also think that something odd is going on with their financial aid post Geffen scholarship and we will see what happens with that. I get the feeling they are low on donors, which is a shame. I also think that they are a bit nontransparent and "wishy washy" is not a bad way of describing their admin offices as someone else put lol.

But at the end of the day, only pre-meds could find a way to not see the value of going to the best medical school tied to the largest healthcare system in LOS ANGELES 😂😂 if you want to go to gunner-culture school where you can freeze half the year and work your ass off to make sure you dont feel in crisis feel free lol. UCLA is one of the best gigs in the country, if you do not have to pay an arm and a leg for it (and maybe even if you do), and it ALWAYS will be because LA is an extremely desirable and diverse place. I currently plan on passing on two T10s with full ride/tuition off if DGSOM can even approximate that amount of aid/ COA (which sadly, may not be the case based on last year's thread).

To anyone worried about the caliber of student that is considering DGSOM or goes to DGSOM, look at where else the students got in. Most of the time, it will include multiple acceptances to elite schools.

But yeah some of you sound like you are trying to get people to give up their spot with how you are writing in this thread lol. I feel bad for people that did not get in too! But come on guys, like if we are classmates lets be the reason the reputation stays strong. It is not the school's responsibility to get us to work hard when they are giving students the privilege of flexibility.
I agree everything except for the last part. I think it’s a bit invalidating to assume that anyone who voices concerns about the school is “trying to get people to give up their spot”. Saying that silences applicants (who for the most part have very legit concerns).
 
I agree everything except for the last part. I think it’s a bit invalidating to assume that anyone who voices concerns about the school is “trying to get people to give up their spot”. Saying that silences applicants (who for the most part have very legit concerns).
I will remove that, given that I do not mean to invalidate.
 
Not 100% sure what your point is here but I generally agree with what you're saying. To your point, if they only cared about stats, they could easily have a 520+ average, but they emphasize other parts of the application.

As a public school, I do think they should trying to help uplift people from lower income backgrounds, at least at a rate higher than private unis. My post was trying to give context as to why that instagram video was posted.

Generally, if you can get in, you can probably be self-disciplined enough to do very well here. I doubt the recent worries will have a drastic impact on how graduates are perceived (although only time will tell). That said, if people are going to spend hundreds of thousands of $$ and 4 years, they should learn about all the goods and bads of a school.
It is cherry picked data that can easily be attributed to natural fluctuations in a class. Respectfully, I find most of what is on that post you linked to be sensationalist disinformation. You seem to be able to parse through this, but impressionable people read that headline and the named dropped dean and run with it. It is the type of thing that explodes on social media. That is why the post is popular and why the med-influencer brings these types of ideas up.

DGSOM med students address most of these headlines and concerns in the original "school in crisis" post in a very thorough way. But it is clear that people do not read that far or closely, so posting these types of things ends up feeling more disinformative than anything else.
 
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I don't think this is accurate.

The reason the guy posted it is because there was a news article that reported 50% of ucla students failing at least 1 shelf exam and 50% of students not taking Step 1 by some point in their third year. From what I understand, these are both true, unfortunately. I think the reason for these issues is most likely due to the new curriculum being implemented poorly. There has been drastic changes in student enrollment (see this reddit post: ), and I think some folks are trying to correlate the two (again, I think it's prob mostly due to the new curriculum).

My bad, I was unaware of that article. I read what the atlantic cited (no paywall) and if all those quotes by the dean are true, yikes.
Some of those stats are surprising, and I hope adjusting the curriculum will help address whatever lapses have formed. (I really hope people who were able to go to the happy hour have been asking about this, especially shelf performance!!)

I also can’t help but wonder how the decline in performance might be related to the pandemic, if at all
 
For those that couldn’t make it: Brown Bag/Student Happy Hour was about student life, they asked us to refer to the previous happy hour that was centered on the curriculum for those types of questions (they said it’s recorded, I couldn’t find it when I looked briefly but someone said to email admissions).

As far as that surgeon's video, this reads to me as obvious click/rage bait. Physicians aren’t immune from having poorly researched and/or intentionally inflammatory takes, especially when they’re trying to be TikTok famous like he is. That’s what gets clicks. He posted another video right after on his TikTok with the title “this top medical school had 50% of their students fail this test 😳” emoji and all. this isn’t serious journalism try not to let it get to you.

I’m on the WL but I’d encourage everyone lucky enough to be holding an A to seek out current students, ask about/check the match results when they come in, and use admitted students day to ask well thought out, specific questions to admin and currents students.

You’re right to be discerning about the next four years but don’t let TikTok man get ya down. For what it’s worth the students at my interview day had overwhelmingly positive things to say about the school.

Have a great night y’all!
 
got it thanks. not invited to admitted students bc on top of WL rip but would rly appreciate an update once u guys find out!
For another school, my friend said that she's invited to their Second Look even though she's on the WL

Anyone from 'top of the WL' asked if we could go? Might be helpful for candidates who would seriously consider this school if we'd get off of the WL haha
 
tbh I feel like I have read similar things about most schools regarding step 1 performance (and even worse from students of certain HBCUs). Now how much of that is school specific and not the influx of curriculum changes that followed the pass/fail trend? Idk about anything else but as someone who is low SES and URM, I've had to go through "low tier" systems (dont really believe them to be low tier but we live in stratification) and make my way through them to get to my goals. I've never felt supported at any part of this process and I have done fine. I think a lot of us regardless of social classification have this experience also. The fears are valid, but you'll probably encounter it in other spaces and in various other ways. Make the choice that best suites you! Im picking UCLA and hope to see some of yall either in school or in the field !! 😉
 
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Submitted my secondary in July with no news. Followed up with adcoms recently, was told if I have heard no news then "you are still being considered". Given previous cycle track data doubt any interviews will be going out. Unfortunate reality of med admissions.
 
again, DID everyone who didn't get an A post interview get WL'd? I'm starting to worry that the WL has like 700 students on it given the fact that they interview 1000
 
Can any top of the WL applicants confirm if under the "Waitlist Decision MD" tab in the AMP portal, it reads: "Candidates from the alternate list will be offered admission should class spaces open prior to the start of classes in August 2025."

The email they sent me mentioned I was near the top of WL, but the decision tab contains the wording of a regular WL...
 
Can any top of the WL applicants confirm if under the "Waitlist Decision MD" tab in the AMP portal, it reads: "Candidates from the alternate list will be offered admission should class spaces open prior to the start of classes in August 2025."

The email they sent me mentioned I was near the top of WL, but the decision tab contains the wording of a regular WL...
yes, same here and for others
 
Can any top of the WL applicants confirm if under the "Waitlist Decision MD" tab in the AMP portal, it reads: "Candidates from the alternate list will be offered admission should class spaces open prior to the start of classes in August 2025."

The email they sent me mentioned I was near the top of WL, but the decision tab contains the wording of a regular WL...
Same here!
 
how is that possible? is that not like 90 percent of the class being made up of WL applicants alone?
People who get off the waitlist reject their offer because at that point, they have no financial aid left over, especially in the post-David Geffen Scholarship era.
 
How does the financial aid work for accepted waitlist students? Is there really no aid left over? What about need-based aid?
Going back to last year's thread, it appears the financial aid they give out is mainly in the form of loans (which to me, isn't really aid). But you may possibly get need-based aid if funds open up. It is unlikely to get a significant grant or scholarship above 10k; I believe tuition is around 100k a year, including the summer quarter. But don't give up hope, maybe they will get more donor funds at the last minute, who knows?
 
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