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I wonder how these percentages account for the match system? Would it skew the data or is it generally the same?
these stats count matriculants not admissions offers ( and some applicants get more than one offer)
OOS applicants don’t participate in Match
OOS matriculants are limited to 10% of each incoming class.

The stats are totaled up after Match, WL movement, and everything is said and done

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Another question. Do OOS applicants hear back after interview like within a month, or is it much later then Texas applicants in the March system. Couldn’t really see much in previous year threads because of how little OOS interview there.
 
Another question. Do OOS applicants hear back after interview like within a month, or is it much later then Texas applicants in the March system. Couldn’t really see much in previous year threads because of how little OOS interview there.
The earliest you could hear is October 15 (just like AMCAS)
After that small numbers of offers go out regularly after admissions committee meetings.
This year Texas Match Day falls on Feb 14
If OOS people haven’t heard in November-January, some offers will go out on or closely after our Match day.
 
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The earliest you could hear is October 15 (just like AMCAS)
After that small numbers of offers go out regularly after admissions committee meetings.
This year Texas Match Day falls on Feb 14
ok thank you!
 
some of the schools:
According to MSAR, Last year UTSW interviewed 778 people total, 104 OOS, 674 instate. 202 IS A's, 29 OOS A's, so around a 28% chance off rip.

Baylor: 1124 total interviewed, 175 OOS II's, 226 total A's, 39 OOS A's, 22% chance for an A if you get an II as an OOS.

Long: 226 OOS II's, 1101 II'S total. 29 OOS A's, 232 A's total. 12.5% chance (oof)

Mcgovern: 1110 total II's, 114 OOS II's. 12 OO's A's, 240 total A's. 10.5% chance (bigger oof)
(MD-PHD not included for any)

A=Matriculated LOL
The interview numbers seem to be correct but not the acceptances. There should be lot more instate As. OOS As could be more closer since they shouldn't technically accept more than 23 at UTSW and Long. However, some are MD/PhDs and although they count for admissions, they dont count for the 10% quota since they are funded fully and have no relevancy.
 
Looks like UTSW has a pattern of releasing II's on Fridays so will be refreshing my Inbox then!

Also how does UTSW consider earlier applications as newer ones roll in? Will earlier applications be lumped in with the new ones for evaluation? Or the decision is pretty much made when it's initially evaluated?

I was complete mid July with stats around the school average (LM 75), so wasn't sure if not receiving an II by now means it's likely been passed over, or they will continue evaluating it for II consideration even as new applications come in. Hope that makes sense.
 
Looks like UTSW has a pattern of releasing II's on Fridays so will be refreshing my Inbox then!

Also how does UTSW consider earlier applications as newer ones roll in? Will earlier applications be lumped in with the new ones for evaluation? Or the decision is pretty much made when it's initially evaluated?

I was complete mid July with stats around the school average (LM 75), so wasn't sure if not receiving an II by now means it's likely been passed over, or they will continue evaluating it for II consideration even as new applications come in. Hope that makes sense.
As far as I can tell UTSW does the same thing as most schools and keeps every application in consideration until they stop sending interview invites. You can see that last week someone who submitted June 12 just got their II! It ain't over till its over
 
The interview numbers seem to be correct but not the acceptances. There should be lot more instate As. OOS As could be more closer since they shouldn't technically accept more than 23 at UTSW and Long. However, some are MD/PhDs and although they count for admissions, they dont count for the 10% quota since they are funded fully and have no relevancy.
Yea sorry that's only matriculation data, there is definitely more acceptances. (A=matriculated lol)
 
As far as I can tell UTSW does the same thing as most schools and keeps every application in consideration until they stop sending interview invites. You can see that last week someone who submitted June 12 just got their II! It ain't over till its over
Thank you for the reassurance! I do have some II's from other Texas schools but would be ecstatic for one from UT Southwestern given it's in my current hometown 🙂
 
Harder than Baylor's :thinking:?

Idk about Baylor’s but i’m currently drowning here so can corroborate @rocketene ‘s comment 🙃

It's not easy but I don't think anyone heading into med school should expect it to be anything like undergrad; as in a lot more is expected of you on a daily basis. I'm not drowning personally, just busy.

That being said, the MS1 class is doing well according to posted medians/averages and that's before you remember we're a P/F school for pre-clerkship.

100% agree, I think I was just more shocked with the volume of content we had to learn right off the bat, and the consistent studying was also very new to me. We are all hanging in there and doing well, so it’s definitely doable but just a big learning curve for some of us and a lot to get used to.

the reason im asking is because ive been fortunate enough to get an II from baylor and UTSW so I am trying to see how each of their curriculum is like from the students there. only baylor student i've heard from is mcathiccy but that person seems very very biased and skews towards the positive side a bit much, but on the other hand all the other UTSW students ive read from seem to say its very very difficult even as p/f. super small sample size but you know

I think this is a position many applicants find themselves in: seeking unbiased opinions from medical students who have committed their futures to one institution. The reality is, these students are often biased, and they don't have much insight into what it's like elsewhere in most cases. Getting as many perspectives as possible, which it seems you're doing, is a wise approach.

I’m not going to contradict my classmate by saying UTSW has been a walk in the park so far, but for me (and many of my peers), the rigor hasn’t been too big a surprise because we had a good sense of what we were signing up for. When it came down to choosing UTSW over Baylor, I had to weigh the benefits of a pre-match offer from UTSW against the non-pre-match option at Baylor, along with other factors. At the end of the day, it was a very personal choice; as it is for most. If you'd like any more details though, feel free to DM me!

Not sure if you have heard this yet @PolarIceLongLastingFlavor , but there's a saying that the #1 things med students like to do is complain 😉. I could very well be falling into that cadence as a med student now
Med school anywhere is gonna be HARD. However I do think UTSW has a more front loaded curriculum than other schools (I have lots of friends over at Baylor and UTMB etc so I have been keeping up with their curriculums as well). So far though, classes here have been very doable and the admin does whatever they can to help us pass. When I was deciding between BCM and UTSW, I also heavily considered the temple/houston placement which eventually made me decide on UTSW. It really depends on what your priorities are and where you feel you would fit in the best, but I will say that if you got an interview to UTSW then they already believe you can handle the rigor of their curriculum.

What do you mean by front loaded? I have a friend at Mcgovern who mentioned that Mcgovern is super front loaded as well, in that the first semester that's pass fail you get some of your hardest classes, then you lose the P/F after the first semester but the classes get more manageable. Also yes, I agree with the whole houston/temple thing, it's literally the biggest turn off for me, especially as a guy who would want to go to baylor mostly because of its proximity to TMC, MD anderson, and the graduate schools there as I did my masters with them.

I agree with the difficulty thing though, but I'm splitting hairs here so.

MS2 here. What they mean by front loaded is that the first semester is usually packed with multiple classes and required activities that are meant to be the building blocks for the Integrated Medicine (IM) blocks that follow. I do agree with @stere0psis and their take on finding unbiased info on here or reddit. what we can give you is our experience, but your values and that of the school's is what you should focus on during interview and/or visiting the school. For my experience and what others have mentioned, once you have completed first semester, the load of material does not necessarily become less, but it is more manageable during the IM blocks. Less required sessions, but you start to fill in the gaps with more of your interests (extracurriculars, research, shadowing, etc.) so it becomes a time management thing. Simultaneously, you can hone down on your study skills during IM blocks since it is P/F which is a huge plus during pre-clerkships. Feel free to DM if you got any more doubts!
Howdy everybody! The renowned @texasvandy just brought to my attention that me and a few other current UTSW students were answering questions in last year's thread without realizing it. Sorry for the long post but here are those comments.
 
Howdy everybody! The renowned @texasvandy just brought to my attention that me and a few other current UTSW students were answering questions in last year's thread without realizing it. Sorry for the long post but here are those comments.
Thanks for bringing all the messages over from 2023-2024 thread.
 
Will going to UTSW information events make any difference in terms of admissions? They have a lot (10+).
 
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Would you recommend to wear what we would wear at the interview for the Monday session that happens before the real interview?
 
any June submitters still waiting for II?
I was complete mid July and still waiting.

My assumption from reading previous SDN threads is UTSW probably extends the initial II's (August/early September) to no-doubter candidates.... so think extremely high LM's or some trump card extracurricular like D1 football players. And then they will start moving down to send II's to applicants who are still strong candidates perhaps starting now through November. They do seem to wrap up most interviews by Thanksgiving so we still have 2 months left... hang in there!
 
Howdy everybody! The renowned @texasvandy just brought to my attention that me and a few other current UTSW students were answering questions in last year's thread without realizing it. Sorry for the long post but here are those comments.
I agree with most of what @stere0psis and @taco1572 said about the preclinical curriculum.

1. Above all n=1, everyone's experience/priorities/level of pessimism/optimism/everything are different, and no one (that I know of) has been enrolled at both UTSW and Baylor, or any other school, so even if you have friends there, it's all going to be subjective/second hand info.
2. We don't have perspective. Everything we complain about (or like) may or may not be useful to us later on and we'll have no idea until we get there, and even then subjectivity and bias will be impossible to differentiate from objective reality. Unfortunately, that's just life.
3. Our pre-clerkship curriculum is very challenging, often without reason in my opinion (see #2). E.g. we have so many mandatory events that only serve to distract us from studying for our classes, leading to us having to spend more time 'studying' (including all that extra time wasted). I have found it almost imposible to prepare for and/or gain anything from these experiences (pt interactions, standardized pt stuff, "wellness" meetings, etc.). They all sounded cool at the interview day, but I promise you, you will just be thinking "I could be doing Anki right now." And you would be 100% right that it would be a more efficient use of your time (which you absolutely have to maximize in order to not feel stressed out, see #5.). It's made me a bit jaded that we can't even enjoy what is supposed to make medicine special (getting to be a part of a field where we get to genuinely help people). I'm hoping this gets better after this semester, we'll see.
4. I had the notion that med school content wouldn't be much harder than undergrad, and tbh that's kind of true (subjective ofc), but every lecture is about as difficult as the hardest lecture/content you had in undergrad, and there's 3-5 lectures a day (plus pbls, plus dissection, plus meetings, plus etc. etc. etc.) and managing that amount of content/random stuff is difficult and puts a strain on mental health, relationships, etc. You can't truly understand the fire-hose analogy until you've lived it.
5. I had the notion that UTSW's curriculum was "harder "than other schools in part, because the type of students that end up at UTSW '28 are more neurotic than other schools, and that's also kind of true. (at least for me). Everyone I've talk to IRL feels like they are drowning. But most of my classmates and I have done perfectly fine in our classes so far. But the subjective feeling of struggling is immense and widespread. This is somewhat of a curriculum problem as well, e.g. every quiz we take (which matters almost nothing for our grade) is harder than the final exam, which we have to pass to pass the class, which contributes to our stress for sure. And due to our personalities, even when we cognitively know we are doing OK, we still feel very stressed because it feels like we're going to fail. I've had to learn to be OK with not understanding everything 100% and being OK with a sense of impending doom, because I really don't need to study as much as I think I do. If you can master this you might have a life, but it will still be difficult. I didn't want medical school to be my entire life, and at UTSW '28 that's just not realistic imo. You might be able to carve out time for a hobby or two, but you'll be 'behind' and probably stressed out because of it.

Tbh this semester has been a bit of a rollercoaster, and I keep vacilating between 'drinking the koolaid' and embracing the suck, and being pretty jaded and borderline burned out already. Once again, this may or may not be a general medical school thing (I've had some personal stuff that has made things a bit harder than some of my classmates, as far as I can tell).

This is probably more important for ranking than interviewing, so we should revisit this later.

One last thing, I've had at least one faculty team member outright say our pre-clinical curriculum is not what makes UTSW special, but that our clerkships will prepare us to be some of the best physicians in America, which I honestly believe (at least right now lol).
 
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Not sure if this is off topic, might be worth revisting when you guys have to rank/decide. Overall, I'd still pick UTSW 10/10 times though lol.

As always feel free to DM me with more questions.
 
I agree with most of what @stere0psis and @taco1572 said about the preclinical curriculum.

1. Above all n=1, everyone's experience/priorities/level of pessimism/optimism/everything are different, and no one (that I know of) has been enrolled at both UTSW and Baylor, or any other school, so even if you have friends there, it's all going to be subjective/second hand info.
2. We don't have perspective. Everything we complain about (or like) may or may not be useful to us later on and we'll have no idea until we get there, and even then subjectivity and bias will be impossible to differentiate from objective reality. Unfortunately, that's just life.
3. Our pre-clerkship curriculum is very challenging, often without reason in my opinion (see #2). E.g. we so many mandatory events that only serve to distract us from studying for our classes, leading to us having to spend more time 'studying' (including all that extra time wasted). I have found it almost imposible to prepare for and/or gain anything from these experiences (pt interactions, standardized pt stuff, "wellness" meetings, etc.). They all sounded cool at the interview day, but I promise you, you will just be thinking "I could be doing Anki right now." And you would be 100% right that it would be a more efficient use of your time (which you absolutely have to maximize in order to not feel stressed out, see #5.). It's made me a bit jaded that we can't even enjoy what is supposed to make medicine special (getting to be a part of a field where we get to genuinely help people). I'm hoping this gets better after this semester, we'll see.
4. I had the notion that med school content wouldn't be much harder than undergrad, and tbh that's kind of true (subjective ofc), but every lecture is about as difficult as the hardest lecture/content you had in undergrad, and there's 3-5 lectures a day (plus pbls, plus dissection, plus meetings, plus etc. etc. etc.) and managing that amount of content/random stuff is difficult and puts a strain on mental health, relationships, etc. You can't truly understand the fire-hose analogy until you've lived it.
5. I had the notion that UTSW's curriculum was "harder "than other schools in part, because the type of students that end up at UTSW '28 are more neurotic than other schools, and that's also kind of true. (at least for me). Everyone I've talk to IRL feels like they are drowning. But most of my classmates and I have done perfectly fine in our classes so far. But the subjective feeling of struggling is immense and widespread. This is somewhat of a curriculum problem as well, e.g. every quiz we take (which matters almost nothing for our grade) is harder than the final exam, which we have to pass to pass the class, which contributes to our stress for sure. And due to our personalities, even when we cognitively know we are doing OK, we still feel very stressed because it feels like we're going to fail. I've had to learn to be OK with not understanding everything 100% and being OK with a sense of impending doom, because I really don't need to study as much as I think I do. If you can master this you might have a life, but it will still be difficult. I didn't want medical school to be my entire life, and at UTSW '28 that's just not realistic imo. You might be able to carve out time for a hobby or two, but you'll be 'behind' and probably stressed out because of it.

Tbh this semester has been a bit of a rollercoaster, and I keep vacilating between 'drinking the koolaid' and embracing the suck, and being pretty jaded and borderline burned out already. Once again, this may or may not be a general medical school thing (I've had some personal stuff that has made things a bit harder than some of my classmates, as far as I can tell).

This is probably more important for ranking than interviewing, so we should revisit this later.

One last thing, I've had at least one faculty team member outright say our pre-clinical curriculum is not what makes UTSW special, but that our clerkships will prepare us to be some of the best physicians in America, which I honestly believe (at least right now lol).
It's interesting how the mood of the class ebbs and flows throughout the week. There's usually heightened stress and pessimism leading up to an exam (especially on Wednesday and Thursday), which then breaks into an "it wasn't that bad" attitude for many when they comfortably pass the assessment. That's the nature of neuroticism, I suppose, haha.
 
I agree with most of what @stere0psis and @taco1572 said about the preclinical curriculum.

1. Above all n=1, everyone's experience/priorities/level of pessimism/optimism/everything are different, and no one (that I know of) has been enrolled at both UTSW and Baylor, or any other school, so even if you have friends there, it's all going to be subjective/second hand info.
2. We don't have perspective. Everything we complain about (or like) may or may not be useful to us later on and we'll have no idea until we get there, and even then subjectivity and bias will be impossible to differentiate from objective reality. Unfortunately, that's just life.
3. Our pre-clerkship curriculum is very challenging, often without reason in my opinion (see #2). E.g. we so many mandatory events that only serve to distract us from studying for our classes, leading to us having to spend more time 'studying' (including all that extra time wasted). I have found it almost imposible to prepare for and/or gain anything from these experiences (pt interactions, standardized pt stuff, "wellness" meetings, etc.). They all sounded cool at the interview day, but I promise you, you will just be thinking "I could be doing Anki right now." And you would be 100% right that it would be a more efficient use of your time (which you absolutely have to maximize in order to not feel stressed out, see #5.). It's made me a bit jaded that we can't even enjoy what is supposed to make medicine special (getting to be a part of a field where we get to genuinely help people). I'm hoping this gets better after this semester, we'll see.
4. I had the notion that med school content wouldn't be much harder than undergrad, and tbh that's kind of true (subjective ofc), but every lecture is about as difficult as the hardest lecture/content you had in undergrad, and there's 3-5 lectures a day (plus pbls, plus dissection, plus meetings, plus etc. etc. etc.) and managing that amount of content/random stuff is difficult and puts a strain on mental health, relationships, etc. You can't truly understand the fire-hose analogy until you've lived it.
5. I had the notion that UTSW's curriculum was "harder "than other schools in part, because the type of students that end up at UTSW '28 are more neurotic than other schools, and that's also kind of true. (at least for me). Everyone I've talk to IRL feels like they are drowning. But most of my classmates and I have done perfectly fine in our classes so far. But the subjective feeling of struggling is immense and widespread. This is somewhat of a curriculum problem as well, e.g. every quiz we take (which matters almost nothing for our grade) is harder than the final exam, which we have to pass to pass the class, which contributes to our stress for sure. And due to our personalities, even when we cognitively know we are doing OK, we still feel very stressed because it feels like we're going to fail. I've had to learn to be OK with not understanding everything 100% and being OK with a sense of impending doom, because I really don't need to study as much as I think I do. If you can master this you might have a life, but it will still be difficult. I didn't want medical school to be my entire life, and at UTSW '28 that's just not realistic imo. You might be able to carve out time for a hobby or two, but you'll be 'behind' and probably stressed out because of it.

Tbh this semester has been a bit of a rollercoaster, and I keep vacilating between 'drinking the koolaid' and embracing the suck, and being pretty jaded and borderline burned out already. Once again, this may or may not be a general medical school thing (I've had some personal stuff that has made things a bit harder than some of my classmates, as far as I can tell).

This is probably more important for ranking than interviewing, so we should revisit this later.

One last thing, I've had at least one faculty team member outright say our pre-clinical curriculum is not what makes UTSW special, but that our clerkships will prepare us to be some of the best physicians in America, which I honestly believe (at least right now lol).
I could not have worded this better. The curriculum is structured in a way that it takes a lot out of you and kind of makes you think about studying all the time lol but that could also be a personal thing. The in person events and patient interactions take up so much time that I tend to get very overwhelmed the week of exams and I feel like the structure can be a bit unreasonable at times.
BUT I still do have time to do what I love through the week (watch tv, hang out with friends, workout, etc.). I would not let the difficulty of the curriculum deter you from ranking utsw first, it's still a great place to be and I do not regret my decision at all to come here.
 
I was complete mid July and still waiting.

My assumption from reading previous SDN threads is UTSW probably extends the initial II's (August/early September) to no-doubter candidates.... so think extremely high LM's or some trump card extracurricular like D1 football players. And then they will start moving down to send II's to applicants who are still strong candidates perhaps starting now through November. They do seem to wrap up most interviews by Thanksgiving so we still have 2 months left... hang in there!
d1 football? the legend of ACLegan grows
 
Not sure if this is off topic, might be worth revisting when you guys have to rank/decide. Overall, I'd still pick UTSW 10/10 times though lol.

As always feel free to DM me with more questions.
Thank you so much for your insights, but after the previous post I was pretty taken aback by the fact that you would pick UTSW 10/10 times lol, what's the reason for that (yes the implication is over baylor)
 
It's interesting how the mood of the class ebbs and flows throughout the week. There's usually heightened stress and pessimism leading up to an exam (especially on Wednesday and Thursday), which then breaks into an "it wasn't that bad" attitude for many when they comfortably pass the assessment. That's the nature of neuroticism, I suppose, haha.
emphasis on "pass", because p/f lol. Also, I recently attended a forum with some medical students applying to residency and most of them were saying how their at their non p/f preclerkship school that "no one really cares about your pre-clerkship grades" and how it's one of the things least cared about by program directors. Is that kool-aid for a student that didn't go to a p/f school or do you think it's true (i understand none of you all are applying to residency yet lol)
 
emphasis on "pass", because p/f lol. Also, I recently attended a forum with some medical students applying to residency and most of them were saying how their at their non p/f preclerkship school that "no one really cares about your pre-clerkship grades" and how it's one of the things least cared about by program directors. Is that kool-aid for a student that didn't go to a p/f school or do you think it's true (i understand none of you all are applying to residency yet lol)
I wouldn’t imagine that grading is weighted as heavily as it used to be, especially with the growing number of schools implementing p/f grading for pre-clerkship (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). However, I would raise the question of why graded didactics are still used at some schools as there’s likely a reason specific to each institution (eg, class rank or something).

That said, I feel pass/fail helps medical students approach school with a healthier mindset. For years, many of us have had to fight for the best grades, highest scores, and most competitive activities just to get our foot in the door and i'd argue a lot of entering MS1s are conditioned to behave similarly if a curriculum calls for it. It's a bit strange to not have to know every detail for an exam (I'll join @IJUSTWANTOPARTYDOC in that camp), but for many of us here at UTSW, it's a lifesaver for more than just grades. Our class is an amazing group of intelligent and supportive people and having a graded PC would seriously hinder that culture.
 
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I was complete mid July and still waiting.

My assumption from reading previous SDN threads is UTSW probably extends the initial II's (August/early September) to no-doubter candidates.... so think extremely high LM's or some trump card extracurricular like D1 football players. And then they will start moving down to send II's to applicants who are still strong candidates perhaps starting now through November. They do seem to wrap up most interviews by Thanksgiving so we still have 2 months left... hang in there!
UTSW interviews stretch into December and may be early January. @wysdoc maintains invitation dates/may be last interview dates in the first or second post of the texas thread that you can use to check.
 
Sorry, am a boomer and posted on the 23-24 thread w/o realizing -

While we are at it, will add my 2 cents as an MS1.
Firstly, regarding all the required stuff, the majority of it is Ankiable. Granted, you won't be as efficient, but nobody is going to know/care if you are doing Anki during a required zoom session where everyone's cameras are turned off. One of the cardinal rules of medical school is that with the proper will, there is opportunity to Anki at EVERY mandatory event, and the sooner you learn that, the more efficient you will be

Secondly, it kind of ****ing sucks at times. To simply reduce the rate at which I am falling behind (not even to keep up), I have had days start at the crack ass of dawn and go very late into the night, working all day except for spending enough time with my partner to where they won't shoot me.

However, we are learning a lot. Some of it is arbitrary bs, but they did listen to student feedback from last year and cut out some of the arbitrary bs protein names from the curriculum. I would much rather prefer this fate as opposed to diddling around for a month learning about public health and ethics in Houston or Temple in an already hyper-condensed curriculum... The way I see it, it's a bit like having to choose between a salad with a pinch of salt and olive oil and a nice, juicy burger. Obviously, the burger will stimulate your taste buds more and cause a greater release in dopamine that your brain interprets to mean "better," but the salad is much better for you (and your patients).

Will also say that I am in shock and awe of everybody here. 95% of the people that I met are people whom I would entrust to give medical treatment to my mother in ~10 years. The gunner reputation that UTSW has, at least among MS1's is non-existent
 
Sorry, am a boomer and posted on the 23-24 thread w/o realizing -

While we are at it, will add my 2 cents as an MS1.
Firstly, regarding all the required stuff, the majority of it is Ankiable. Granted, you won't be as efficient, but nobody is going to know/care if you are doing Anki during a required zoom session where everyone's cameras are turned off. One of the cardinal rules of medical school is that with the proper will, there is opportunity to Anki at EVERY mandatory event, and the sooner you learn that, the more efficient you will be

Secondly, it kind of ****ing sucks at times. To simply reduce the rate at which I am falling behind (not even to keep up), I have had days start at the crack ass of dawn and go very late into the night, working all day except for spending enough time with my partner to where they won't shoot me.

However, we are learning a lot. Some of it is arbitrary bs, but they did listen to student feedback from last year and cut out some of the arbitrary bs protein names from the curriculum. I would much rather prefer this fate as opposed to diddling around for a month learning about public health and ethics in Houston or Temple in an already hyper-condensed curriculum... The way I see it, it's a bit like having to choose between a salad with a pinch of salt and olive oil and a nice, juicy burger. Obviously, the burger will stimulate your taste buds more and cause a greater release in dopamine that your brain interprets to mean "better," but the salad is much better for you (and your patients).

Will also say that I am in shock and awe of everybody here. 95% of the people that I met are people whom I would entrust to give medical treatment to my mother in ~10 years. The gunner reputation that UTSW has, at least among MS1's is non-existent
You seem to have applied pretty broadly. What made you choose UTSW over all the others?
 
Thank you so much for your insights, but after the previous post I was pretty taken aback by the fact that you would pick UTSW 10/10 times lol, what's the reason for that (yes the implication is over baylor)
TBH I ranked Baylor higher lol, I heard their culture/curriculum was a bit more chill, but now I'm sigma-grindset pilled 💪 - jk... mostly...

However, I ranked UTSW over every other school on my list (including pre-matches and schools I had some ties to, including a medium sized scholarship), and am ultimately glad I ended up here vs. BCM because:
1. The caliber of candidates who come out of UTSW is unmatched in Texas, except maybe by Baylor, and even then, I really do think that UTSW students are more prepared for residency (even if they are less happy lol) - this is mostly based on vibes and what I've heard online/IRL, and ultimately stems from the caliber of our clinical faculty and clerkships (not pre-clinical).
2. It is easier to match into whatever your desired specialty and program is from both UTSW and Baylor, but while UTSW and Baylor compete for the best residencies for every specialty in Texas (and are T20 for many nationally), UTSW has the edge when it comes to adult, non-surgical specialties and some areas of research. This is mostly subjective/vibes based as well, but I know I don't want to do pediatrics, and probably not surgery, which I knew when ranking.
3. Location was better for me. Never lived in Houston, and I'm sure it's great, but Dallas is a lot of fun too (as much fun as it can be when you have little money or time to explore) + family and partner preferences. Tbh I would have been happy at Temple, but the added uncertainty is a bit lame.
4. Can't even lie, the rank swayed me heavily (especially with some PDs ranking UTSW in like the top 10-20 schools in the US).

At the end of the day, I'm happy to be surrounded by the smartest people I've ever met, even if it's hard (and tbh as we've discussed we've kinda put a lot of that stress on ourselves). And the vibe at UTSW is honestly electric - but maybe I'm just be a bit of a clout chaser... I'm certainly not used to the caliber of people, research, education, etc. here.
 
emphasis on "pass", because p/f lol. Also, I recently attended a forum with some medical students applying to residency and most of them were saying how their at their non p/f preclerkship school that "no one really cares about your pre-clerkship grades" and how it's one of the things least cared about by program directors. Is that kool-aid for a student that didn't go to a p/f school or do you think it's true (i understand none of you all are applying to residency yet lol)

PD surveys are the best data we have, but yeah grades aren't super important as far as I can tell (either pre-clinical or clerkship). With class rank being the highest related topic for ranking interviewed applicants (at around 50% if I'm intepreting this correctly). Although it seems to matter a bit more for interview invites

Edit: I'm pretty sure the MSPE has Clerkship feedback summaries (which is basically part of your clerkship performance/grades), but also includes a lot of other stuff. Definitely more important for getting the interview than getting ranked to match based on this data, as far as I can tell. Not too surprising that it matters, but may not matter just a whole ton (I'd have to imagine STEP 2 matters more since its standardized).
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You seem to have applied pretty broadly. What made you choose UTSW over all the others?
Best school that I got into, cheaper than pretty much every other school that I got into (for the specialty that I want to do, Einstein MS4's told me that a research year was necessary to not match at a mid-low tier NY program, so I valued the year that I will get back here more than the extra COA), needed to get the **** out of where I was, partner approved, excellent second visit, one of the best clinical training programs in the country, and I liked the work hard play hard culture. Step 1 P/F also slightly biased my decision since it erodes the ability to write your ticket from wherever. Match list is also really good. Unlike other schools, admin is also really good and pretty universally on our side (got that impression at second look)
 
OOS II today! LM 77 and submitted 6/24. I don’t see an interview tab in my portal or any way to schedule/see an assigned date. Did others’ portals take a while to update?
mine updated immediately.
 
Interview experience was wonderful here! Pre interview day was so informative. The interviews themselves were conversational and really nice. One of mine even went over time because we were having a great convo. Overall would absolutely love to go here! I hope they don't break my heart and reject me as a OOS wannabe Texan.
 
anyone else interviewing for the MSTP program on Friday/saturday? Any tips or things to keep in mind? Seems like the MD interviews are pretty laid back but cant find much on the PhD side of things
 
with 11 interviews you didnt have time anyway. 🙂

What dates are they offering?
Haha yeah, I’m super grateful for the IIs but scheduling has become…a hassle. Great problem to have though, no complaints on my end! 🙂

And I only saw October 9th so far, no other dates.
 
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