Basics 2.0: The Hubris of the Champions - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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I don’t get why you are doing it this way though with how you are voting, as it’s going to influence decisions in a way that will not be beneficial in endgame.

Beneficial for who? Lol

 

[dolphin106258]

Why does it make you look at me more? I did the exact same thing with multiple people last game. Dolphin just has the misfortune of playing multiple in a row with me where I find her sketchy

Idk if you should bring up last game did that Barks argument really work that well.

 

[Navilly]

Idk if you should bring up last game did that Barks argument really work that well.

The barks one? Decently well, gave my my day two reads list which was pretty good for day 2. The you lurking? Less well, but it helped move you down on my list the more you talked. The more you talk this game, the higher you have gone, which is different from last game

 

[cubsrule4e]

I am going to vote for miz. @WildZoo, you as well?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Official Day 3 Lynch Tally
genny () -
Pippy () -
miz (1) - Pippy
dolphin (2) - miz, Nav

3/7
lynch close in ~3 hours

 

[dolphin106258]

The barks one? Decently well, gave my my day two reads list which was pretty good for day 2. The you lurking? Less well, but it helped move you down on my list the more you talked. The more you talk this game, the higher you have gone, which is different from last game

Yes but just saying someone talking more or less doesn’t really equate to anything. Like I’m sorry I have more time this game to play and respond than last time. But I think overall my play this game has not been wolf-y and I’ve yet to see anyone articulate what about it is bothering them.

Plus if we’re gonna keep playing the past game and dead chat discussion didn’t you say based on that Barks thing D1 Paws couldn’t possibly be a wolf...and well she was. That’s all I’m saying. You aren’t full proof in your thinking and for you to continue to act like you are is the opposite of being helpful.

 

[Navilly]

If we lose this game that is essentially won right now, I will point back to this moment as to why we lost, and specifically blame pippy for it, since she knows why this is mechanistically bad (voting dolphin over miz). With that I am out for awhile, going out to dinner with the wife.

 

[Navilly]

Clarification: voting dolphin over miz is the correct m, voting miz over dolphin is incorrect.

 

[cubsrule4e]

If we lose this game that is essentially won right now, I will point back to this moment as to why we lost, and specifically blame pippy for it, since she knows why this is mechanistically bad (voting dolphin over miz). With that I am out for awhile, going out to dinner with the wife.

Even if miz is incorrect, we cant lose in one day, and can always lynch dolphin tomorrow, no?

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Please everyone just keep ignoring the things I’m saying that make actual sense.

 

[Navilly]

Yes but just saying someone talking more or less doesn’t really equate to anything. Like I’m sorry I have more time this game to play and respond than last time. But I think overall my play this game has not been wolf-y and I’ve yet to see anyone articulate what about it is bothering them.

Plus if we’re gonna keep playing the past game and dead chat discussion didn’t you say based on that Barks thing D1 Paws couldn’t possibly be a wolf...and well she was. That’s all I’m saying. You aren’t full proof in your thinking and for you to continue to act like you are is the opposite of being helpful.

Mechanistically, I can be close to fool proof with my approach. Reads nah, everyone is fallible, but if I go in with “this person may be a wolf” doesn’t have the same ring to it or force behind it. I am strong in everything I say or do, you get a feel for it after awhile. But I congratulated paws on great play multiple times in dead chat.

Mechanics are a different story. If I have wolves mechanistically in checkmate, and people f that up, then I get mad. And going out now, see you all in a bit, don’t mess this up.

 

[WildZoo]

I am going to vote for miz. @WildZoo, you as well?

I haven't decided yet and am waiting for her to respond

 

[WildZoo]

I don't get this mechanics argument so unless it's explained more or I'm given a better reason to trust it I'm gonna have to ignore it lol

 

[Navilly]

I don't get this mechanics argument so unless it's explained more or I'm given a better reason to trust it I'm gonna have to ignore it lol

Pippy is stopping me from explaining it, but pippy is well aware of it, and knows it partially involves her as well. A full explanstion will be posted tomorrow morning at 9:59:59 to avoid any changes in strategy. But wolf loses if dolphin is lynched, regardless of if dolphin is wolf

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

I haven't decided yet and am waiting for her to respond

What would you like responded to? At the point I have laid out how my game play from day 1 has been the antithesis of anti-wolf play. I’ve also laid out logically how there is a pool of 2-3 people that houses the remaining wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

What would you like responded to? At the point I have laid out how my game play from day 1 has been the antithesis of anti-wolf play. I’ve also laid out logically how there is a pool of 2-3 people that houses the remaining wolf.

I mean, I asked questions in my post...

 

[WildZoo]

Pippy is stopping me from explaining it, but pippy is well aware of it, and knows it partially involves her as well. A full explanstion will be posted tomorrow morning at 9:59:59 to avoid any changes in strategy. But wolf loses if dolphin is lynched, regardless of if dolphin is wolf

Who is the wolf if it's not dolphin?

 

[dolphin106258]

Pippy is stopping me from explaining it, but pippy is well aware of it, and knows it partially involves her as well. A full explanstion will be posted tomorrow morning at 9:59:59 to avoid any changes in strategy. But wolf loses if dolphin is lynched, regardless of if dolphin is wolf

But I don’t want to be lynched thanks very much. I have no reason to believe you’re for sure village so I don’t understand why you think everyone should follow suit.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

That's not how bus driver works silly. It's not redirection. I thought you designed this game?

Anyway, the reason it probably looks odd based on reads is I was expecting the opposite result.


I'm confused why you're so mad about something that netted a wolf


Did she though?


Coop's not stupid. Well within her abilities t mention her wolf partner as sketch while not actually voting for them or really putting them in danger.


Those look pretty hedgey to me


Mentioning as sketchy =/= bussing
I agree the wolf pair was unlikely to really be pushing each other, but complete ignoring is also unlikely imo

Again, why are you so mad about something that netted a wolf?

I’m not angry in the slightest that it netted a wolf. It appears I misunderstood how the bus driver role actually worked. I’m less upset about the logic behind that now.

Coopah was on my case for a large majority of yesterday, pretty much calling everything I did half baked or not well thought out and continued to antagonize all of the logic I put out there. That on top of putting me in her top 3, when she wasn’t under any suspicion whatsoever, is what leads me to say that. Regardless of Coopah, my actions on the first day of game play are not at all consistent with wolf play. I’ve wolfed before and I’m a lot more careful as a wolf and try not to draw attention to myself. I essentially put a spotlight on myself on day one because I have nothing at all to hide.

And yes, Coopah did throw a lot of shade at Nav yesterday. I’m on phone, can get quotes eventually.

 

[Navilly]

Cubs, if you want more information feel free to pm me as you are cleared, can answer pms in code on the main thread, just make sure you provide a code decryptor in the pm. Getting seated for dinner now, will respond after

 

[WildZoo]

About to see Detective Pikachu so...

It basically comes down to whether coop decided to defend her partner (she called dolphin her most village read) or not quite bus, but at least throw shade (miz or nelly).

I'm inclined to believe the latter, on top of the fact that I've been reading dolphin village.

I liked miz's response, plus after reading over some of coop's posts and their interactions again I'm more ok with her.

I don't really like how nelly has come out trying to direct things as if he's cleared and everyone should just trust what he says. Also got a bad feel from his response to night results.

lynch nelly

 

[PippyPony]

If we lose this game that is essentially won right now, I will point back to this moment as to why we lost, and specifically blame pippy for it, since she knows why this is mechanistically bad (voting dolphin over miz).

That's not what I meant by improving your pocketing attempts 😉

Clarification: voting dolphin over miz is the correct m, voting miz over dolphin is incorrect.

I think I will vote for who I think the most likely wolf is, thanks

Mechanistically, I can be close to fool proof with my approach.

Mechanics are a different story. If I have wolves mechanistically in checkmate, and people f that up, then I get mad. And going out now, see you all in a bit, don’t mess this up.

This is allllmost enough to make me swap you with Miz. Finally, there is the Ultimate Powerwolf attitude, thank you for finally showing up to play.

Pippy is stopping me from explaining it, but pippy is well aware of it, and knows it partially involves her as well. A full explanstion will be posted tomorrow morning at 9:59:59 to avoid any changes in strategy. But wolf loses if dolphin is lynched, regardless of if dolphin is wolf

Real talk I actually have no clue what you are raving about right now, and I'm not sure how I am stopping you from explaining anything that you really shouldn't be explaining anyhow lol.

I repeat: I'm voting for who I think the most likely wolf is based on a combination of mechanics and reads. I don't see how that's "mechanistically bad."

 

[genny]

If we lose this game that is essentially won right now, I will point back to this moment as to why we lost, and specifically blame pippy for it, since she knows why this is mechanistically bad (voting dolphin over miz). With that I am out for awhile, going out to dinner with the wife.

So miz has told me what her role is and also said that she doesn’t plan to use it. I don’t understand why it would be better to leave that in the game rather than dolphin’s used up vig shot.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

So miz has told me what her role is and also said that she doesn’t plan to use it. I don’t understand why it would be better to leave that in the game rather than dolphin’s used up vig shot.

Did you read my most recent message?

 

[genny]

Did you read my most recent message?

Yes, I think that’s a good village way to think about that.

 

[genny]

This is allllmost enough to make me swap you with Miz. Finally, there is the Ultimate Powerwolf attitude, thank you for finally showing up to play.

I can think of a wolfy reason why he would want miz to stay in the game for just one more night.

 

[Navilly]

If anyone is interested, I will vote for myself tomorrow and leave my vote there until I die. It won’t matter at that point. But only if dolphin is lynched today. Repeat, will not fight the vote if done tomorrow. (On that note, whoever babysitter is, DO NOT use your role tonight. Same with regretful tracker, DO NOT use it ).

 

[PippyPony]

Guess what today was?

That's right, my last day of actual classes for second yearrrrrr

 

[cubsrule4e]

If anyone is interested, I will vote for myself tomorrow and leave my vote there until I die. It won’t matter at that point. But only if dolphin is lynched today. Repeat, will not fight the vote if done tomorrow. (On that note, whoever babysitter is, DO NOT use your role tonight. Same with regretful tracker, DO NOT use it ).

If....we lynch dophin and shes a wolf... there is no game tomorrow. So what are you even talking about?

 

[PippyPony]

If anyone is interested, I will vote for myself tomorrow and leave my vote there until I die. It won’t matter at that point. But only if dolphin is lynched today. Repeat, will not fight the vote if done tomorrow. (On that note, whoever babysitter is, DO NOT use your role tonight. Same with regretful tracker, DO NOT use it ).

I'm just going to remind you that my track record for success when following along with things like this is not great lol.

 

[Navilly]

If....we lynch dophin and shes a wolf... there is no game tomorrow. So what are you even talking about?

Pm me, give me a numeric/symbol code to work with, I will type a message corresponding to the appropriate symbols, and explain to you what is going on. If you choose to reveal it afterwards, you are welcome to.

 

[PippyPony]

... For the record this is the type of thing that keeps me from switching my vote over

Secret codes! So much intrigue

 

[dolphin106258]

About to see Detective Pikachu so...

OH! I’m going tomorrow hope you enjoy it!!!

 

[Navilly]

... For the record this is the type of thing that keeps me from switching my vote over

Secret codes! So much intrigue

You already know exactly what is in the code.

 

[dolphin106258]

If anyone is interested, I will vote for myself tomorrow and leave my vote there until I die. It won’t matter at that point. But only if dolphin is lynched today. Repeat, will not fight the vote if done tomorrow. (On that note, whoever babysitter is, DO NOT use your role tonight. Same with regretful tracker, DO NOT use it ).

I don’t even know what to make of this...I think I’m just hurt why I’m the lynch pin of this plan. Or maybe I’m hurt because I don’t get to be in on the secrets I don’t know.

 

[genny]

Lynch close is in like an hour and 15 minutes right?

 

[dolphin106258]

If....we lynch dophin and shes a wolf... there is no game tomorrow. So what are you even talking about?

Also like are we just lynching me to get to tomorrow?? Because that seems ridiculous.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lynch close is in like an hour and 15 minutes right?

Correct.

 

[genny]

Correct.

Then it’s time for me to stop smelling like cat urine!

 

[PippyPony]

You already know exactly what is in the code.

Well I haven't seen the code, that's the fun part

 

[cubsrule4e]

Whats the secret we are all missing, pip?

 

[PippyPony]

Also like are we just lynching me to get to tomorrow?? Because that seems ridiculous.

I actually don't understand why you are the MUST DO lynch today haha.

I kind of know what he's talking about beyond that, but I don't understand why I can't vote for anyone else but you

 

[Navilly]

I don’t even know what to make of this...I think I’m just hurt why I’m the lynch pin of this plan. Or maybe I’m hurt because I don’t get to be in on the secrets I don’t know.

It’s unfortunate but you are the person with the most sketch on them that needs to go down for this to be a guaranteed win. I also think you are most likely by a long shot, but that’s another story I guess and is based on biases. This plan involves me dying either tonight or tomorrow during the day, so if you think it’s me, I will be joining you shortly. But if either me or miz is lynched in this Lynch (or genny or cubs) then the plan doesn’t work.

 

[PippyPony]

Whats the secret we are all missing, pip?

Eh in the chance he is actually village -- and I'm still pretty split on that tbh -- it's better if you follow his plan for communication for now at least.

 

[dolphin106258]

I actually don't understand why you are the MUST DO lynch today haha.

I kind of know what he's talking about beyond that, but I don't understand why I can't vote for anyone else but you

Okay well I mean personally I know I’m just a village vig with no more shots so like I know I’m not useful mechanics wise but I was just lost why it has to be me.

 

[dolphin106258]

It’s unfortunate but you are the person with the most sketch on them that needs to go down for this to be a guaranteed win. I also think you are most likely by a long shot, but that’s another story I guess and is based on biases. This plan involves me dying either tonight or tomorrow during the day, so if you think it’s me, I will be joining you shortly. But if either me or miz is lynched in this Lynch (or genny or cubs) then the plan doesn’t work.

But what if just hang on with me for a second, I know Genny and cubs are village and it’s really just down to you or Miz and we could easily solve it without all the secret nonsense.

 

[PippyPony]

It’s unfortunate but you are the person with the most sketch on them that needs to go down for this to be a guaranteed win. I also think you are most likely by a long shot, but that’s another story I guess and is based on biases. This plan involves me dying either tonight or tomorrow during the day, so if you think it’s me, I will be joining you shortly. But if either me or miz is lynched in this Lynch (or genny or cubs) then the plan doesn’t work.

You are going to need to explain this for me more explicitly because I think either I am missing something or you are

 

[cubsrule4e]

Eh in the chance he is actually village -- and I'm still pretty split on that tbh -- it's better if you follow his plan for communication for now at least.

So why cant he just share it with the thread? especially since he said hes going to tell me and then i can tell the thread

 

[PippyPony]

So why cant he just share it with the thread? especially since he said hes going to tell me and then i can tell the thread

Because lol. I don't know why he's telling you to tell the thread.

My vote is to just play along with it, it'll be entertaining at least.

 

[PippyPony]

You are going to need to explain this for me more explicitly because I think either I am missing something or you are

Clarification: IN PM, which you keep neglecting to use.

@Navilly