CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[Viscernable]

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Yes.

I had a bad time

But we had so much fun together finding wolves pls

 

[Viscernable]

Tbh I'm not even sure why that role has the Alpha part in front of it because the description in the roles list just sounds like it's your standard mafia goon.

I’m assuming it’s the alpha that is unseerable since I think MU usually uses that

 

[supershorty]

I’m assuming it’s the alpha that is unseerable since I think MU usually uses that

Alpha werewolf follows that definition, alpha goon didn't have any modifier/ability indication after the factional kill part when I looked it up.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Why not just claim Judas outright? What’s the thought process there?

Now a good question would be , why I didnt play it safe by claiming vanilla townie

And the simple answer to that is , I have been extremely dumb

 

[Viscernable]

Alpha werewolf follows that definition, alpha goon didn't have any modifier/ability indication after the factional kill part when I looked it up.

Maybe because it only works when attached to werewolf aff? And same thing for godfather wolf rolecard?

 

[Viscernable]

Link to roles pretty pls?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Alpha werewolf follows that definition, alpha goon didn't have any modifier/ability indication after the factional kill part when I looked it up.

yeah there are a bunch of roles that are like that , Town Godfather , Alpha goon and ww godfather

 

[alissa14]

I’m assuming it’s the alpha that is unseerable since I think MU usually uses that

What role did you use for affiliation? (NOT ABILITY)

 

[supershorty]

What role did you use for affiliation? (NOT ABILITY)

She already answered, dude.

I don't know how I feel about you supposedly making a spreadsheet, but also having multiple posts where it's pretty evident that you're not reading the thread to get the information you're putting in it.

Like, I want to say that the engagement is more villagey than what I've seen from you in the past on D1, since you usually ping me all over the place, but it's happened a couple times now and it's weird.

 

[Viscernable]

I know that we absolutely shouldn't read too much into these, but I'll eat an entire [thing people don't normally eat] if shorty is scum

Why did this prompt this reaction?

 

[supershorty]

Link to roles pretty pls?

Greater Idea Mafia/RolePMs

wiki.mafiascum.net

 

[alleycat03]

Holy **** there’s already 11 pages? I need to mentally prepare myself to catch up and go get my laptop. I’m assuming this game is 36/12, but I haven’t found that info yet. Please let me know if it’s 12/12.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

I’m assuming this game is 36/12, but I haven’t found that info yet. Please let me know if it’s 12/12.

It is 36/12

 

[alissa14]

Hello all, I have come upon information confirmed by AM from questions I asked in my role PM. Maybe I am the only one who didn't fully understand how the setup works but I am sharing here in case I am not alone.
1. It is possible to have multiple of a role that only has one possibility on the list due to the possibility of using a scum role for an ability. It will make more sense with an example:
- A player is randed the following 3 roles:
Town lover
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

Say they discarded mafia goon, used town lover for affiliation, and then used the 1x bullet-proof for the ability. The final role would be Town 1x bulletproof. But another player can also be randed 1x bullet-proof from the list, meaning it is entirely possible for 2 1x bullet-proof villagers to be in the game

Additionally, it is not possible to choose a role that does not exist. Example of what a player is randed:
Village fruit vendor
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

If mafia goon is discarded, a player CANNOT choose werewolf for affiliation and fruit vendor as their ability because werewolf fruit vendor doesn't exist on the list.

2. The 3 roles randed to a player will be revealed upon death.

In summary, my spreadsheet is a bit messed up now

 

[Lawpy]

I need a little more explanation to follow what you're saying.

scum!wondy might be willing to take a gamble knowing she can cause more chaos and take down another villager with her?

 

[Viscernable]

I glimpsed this post and suddenly remembered True saying he'd randed lover twice and discarded one while using the other for affiliation, so my instant thought was he couldn't be village but his actual post says he randed village lover twice.
Which is... odd? Has that ever occurred in previous CYO games?

There’s nothing to make it impossible, with there being multiple town lovers in the deck

 

[supershorty]

Hello all, I have come upon information confirmed by AM from questions I asked in my role PM. Maybe I am the only one who didn't fully understand how the setup works but I am sharing here in case I am not alone.
1. It is possible to have multiple of a role that only has one possibility on the list due to the possibility of using a scum role for an ability. It will make more sense with an example:
- A player is randed the following 3 roles:
Town lover
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

Say they discarded mafia goon, used town lover for affiliation, and then used the 1x bullet-proof for the ability. The final role would be Town 1x bulletproof. But another player can also be randed 1x bullet-proof from the list, meaning it is entirely possible for 2 1x bullet-proof villagers to be in the game

Yes, because there are MULTIPLE BULLETPROOFS ON THE LIST. Multiple people cannot RAND specifically 1x bulletproof werewolf, but it can still be MADE from different combinations.

Additionally, it is not possible to choose a role that does not exist. Example of what a player is randed:
Village fruit vendor
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

If mafia goon is discarded, a player CANNOT choose werewolf for affiliation and fruit vendor as their ability because werewolf fruit vendor doesn't exist on the list.

2. The 3 roles randed to a player will be revealed upon death.

In summary, my spreadsheet is a bit messed up now

...

I'm pretty sure this is NOT correct.

 

[Viscernable]

Additionally, it is not possible to choose a role that does not exist. Example of what a player is randed:
Village fruit vendor
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

If mafia goon is discarded, a player CANNOT choose werewolf for affiliation and fruit vendor as their ability because werewolf fruit vendor doesn't exist on the list.

I don’t think this is true? Are you sure you’re understanding her answers correctly?

 

[Lawpy]

Hello all, I have come upon information confirmed by AM from questions I asked in my role PM. Maybe I am the only one who didn't fully understand how the setup works but I am sharing here in case I am not alone.
1. It is possible to have multiple of a role that only has one possibility on the list due to the possibility of using a scum role for an ability. It will make more sense with an example:
- A player is randed the following 3 roles:
Town lover
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

Say they discarded mafia goon, used town lover for affiliation, and then used the 1x bullet-proof for the ability. The final role would be Town 1x bulletproof. But another player can also be randed 1x bullet-proof from the list, meaning it is entirely possible for 2 1x bullet-proof villagers to be in the game

Additionally, it is not possible to choose a role that does not exist. Example of what a player is randed:
Village fruit vendor
1x bullet-proof werewolf
Mafia goon

If mafia goon is discarded, a player CANNOT choose werewolf for affiliation and fruit vendor as their ability because werewolf fruit vendor doesn't exist on the list.

2. The 3 roles randed to a player will be revealed upon death.

In summary, my spreadsheet is a bit messed up now

Ok i think i see what you’re saying. So Lumi and Wondy could both be telling the truth? Engaged

 

[Lawpy]

Wait wasn’t black goo only mentioned once?

 

[supershorty]

Ok i think i see what you’re saying. So Lumi and Wondy could both be telling the truth? Engaged

No, I don't think she's understanding correctly.

 

[Lawpy]

Cult 1-Shot Goomaker (145)​

You are a Cult 1-Shot Goomaker.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want eliminated.
• Goomaker: During the Night, you may PM me the name of another player. That player will will take on the Black Goo ability (Anyone who targets that player will become part of the Cult faction).
• 1-Shot: You can only use this ability once during the game.

Win Condition

• You win when all players without a Cult wincon are wiped out and at least one Cult-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).

 

[Viscernable]

My full thinking was that if she had the bad luck to rand three scum roles, I would expect her to pick a less-common variety so that she could kinda play like a neutral 3P and wolf hunt like normal, just like she did last game.

So if she got wolf wolf goon, I would expect her to pick goon.

Since she discarded goon, it feels like she'd have to get something like alien [other weird thing] goon

But mostly I was just picking over the rejections list and seeing if there was any crumb I could get out of it

There are just as many mafia cards as wolf cards, what?

 

[alissa14]

No, I don't think she's understanding correctly.

This is very possible. I asked AM for clarification if someone can make themselves a wolf fruit vendor despite the role not existing on the list. What I am trying to understand is if someone can fabricate a role that makes no sense, for example Alpha Villager

 

[supershorty]

This is very possible. I asked AM for clarification if someone can make themselves a wolf fruit vendor despite the role not existing on the list. What I am trying to understand is if someone can fabricate a role that makes no sense, for example Alpha Villager

Sure they can. Coop was a werewolf doctor lover last year. The lover part wasn't by choice, but it happened.

There are a few forbidden combinations, IIRC, that would be game-breaking (like wolf innocent child).

 

[Viscernable]

I've actually come to a second, better realization:

I'm dumb, and had my logic backwards. People who hate being scum should primarily get credit if their discarded role is village, because that proves they had village as an option.

None of your individual reasonings sketch me out, but the way the story keeps changing on what you were thinking, plus how strongly the village lean was stated, still worries me

 

[alissa14]

She already answered, dude.

I don't know how I feel about you supposedly making a spreadsheet, but also having multiple posts where it's pretty evident that you're not reading the thread to get the information you're putting in it.

Like, I want to say that the engagement is more villagey than what I've seen from you in the past on D1, since you usually ping me all over the place, but it's happened a couple times now and it's weird.

you are correct in that I am not fully reading the thread in detail because you guys post so much. for my own wellbeing and not spending my whole day playing WW, I am caught up on all info but have skimmed here and there, causing me to miss some details and also because I may not have loaded all recent posts before my reply.

 

[alissa14]

Sure they can. Coop was a werewolf doctor lover last year. The lover part wasn't by choice, but it happened.

There are a few forbidden combinations, IIRC, that would be game-breaking (like wolf innocent child).

Then I have misread that part of what AM replied to me. But the other parts still stand

 

[Chaostrodon]

This is very possible. I asked AM for clarification if someone can make themselves a wolf fruit vendor despite the role not existing on the list. What I am trying to understand is if someone can fabricate a role that makes no sense, for example Alpha Villager

yes they can but thats not the point here , there is only one black goo on the list , so there can only be a max of 1 person with black goo as affiliation/ability

To use your fruit vendor example , there are only 2 fruit vendors in the list (one town and one mafia) that means there can only be a maximum of two fruit vendors in the game , but their affiiliation can be anything , they can be both town , one mafia one ww , both alien etc

 

[supershorty]

Then I have misread that part of what AM replied to me. But the other parts still stand

I don't understand why you included the first part of your big post because the whole reason I asked people for aff role claims was to evaluate what they supposedly randed, and as you saw with the black goo thing, it's caught multiple people in lies because only the one black goo role exists.

 

[Zenge142]

scum!wondy might be willing to take a gamble knowing she can cause more chaos and take down another villager with her?

But no one was even talking about Wondy. This would guarantee we yeet Wondy, who had zero sus, within a cycle or two.

 

[alissa14]

Cult 1-Shot Goomaker (145)​

You are a Cult 1-Shot Goomaker.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want eliminated.
• Goomaker: During the Night, you may PM me the name of another player. That player will will take on the Black Goo ability (Anyone who targets that player will become part of the Cult faction).
• 1-Shot: You can only use this ability once during the game.

Win Condition

• You win when all players without a Cult wincon are wiped out and at least one Cult-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).

even in this case, it is not possible at this point in the game to have one player having their current role as black goo and another player as claiming they used the town affiliation from the black goo role for themselves

 

[Viscernable]

What the hell, I don't check this site daily and check after a holiday weekend to see that I got randed a town black goo

Why are negative utility roles even in this setup. Why wasn't I messaged on discord or something to be told that the game started

Uhhh is it confirmed anywhere how AM deals with rands for non-choice? Because there’s only one card with a black goo role, claimed by chaos, and even if she rerolled instead of randomly assigning a role from what someone got as choices in the first roll, I wouldn’t think she would use a card used in the first roll in the second

Edited to use the correct “roll” for a little bit of coherence

 

[alissa14]

I don't understand why you included the first part of your big post because the whole reason I asked people for aff role claims was to evaluate what they supposedly randed, and as you saw with the black goo thing, it's caught multiple people in lies because only the one black goo role exists.

I included it in case of later role claims. Ex: WO2 claimed to use bulletproof town as their affiliation, but someone claiming bulletproof town later on may not be fake claiming because it is entirely possible to become bulletproof town based on what they were randed. Which I didn't realize when I made my spreadsheets so I put it on thread in case anyone was also confused

 

[Viscernable]

PSV you're really sweet but not wanting to hurt my feelings is not a good reason to look elsewhere, and feels borderline sheepy after you jumped behind shorty's read like that :/

I don’t think PSV is saying she’s clearing you, she’s saying she’s looking elsewhere as well, which everyone should because tunnelling exclusively on one person from D1 is dumb.

 

[Lawpy]

But no one was even talking about Wondy. This would guarantee we yeet Wondy, who had zero sus, within a cycle or two.

Hmm, this is a good point

I need to think

 

[supershorty]

I included it in case of later role claims. Ex: WO2 claimed to use bulletproof town as their affiliation, but someone claiming bulletproof town later on may not be fake claiming because it is entirely possible to become bulletproof town based on what they were randed. Which I didn't realize when I made my spreadsheets so I put it on thread in case anyone was also confused

That's talking about an entire role claim situation though, not a response to being asked what they used for either aff or ability individually.

 

[Lawpy]

Uhhh is it confirmed anywhere how AM deals with rands for non-choice? Because there’s only one card with a black goo role, claimed by chaos, and even if she rerolled instead of randomly assigning a role from what someone got as choices in the first roll, I wouldn’t think she would use a card used in the first roll in the second

Edited to use the correct “roll” for a little bit of coherence

chaos fakeclaimed?

 

[alissa14]

That's talking about an entire role claim situation though, not a response to being asked what they used for either aff or ability individually.

am i missing where you're asking for an explanation to something I said?

 

[alissa14]

Uhhh is it confirmed anywhere how AM deals with rands for non-choice? Because there’s only one card with a black goo role, claimed by chaos, and even if she rerolled instead of randomly assigning a role from what someone got as choices in the first roll, I wouldn’t think she would use a card used in the first roll in the second

Edited to use the correct “roll” for a little bit of coherence

I would assume that AM randed the role based on the 3 roles originally given to the player

 

[alleycat03]

Discards
PSV - Alien 1x Diplomat
Wonder - Village Miller
alley - 1x Villager
genny - Village 1x Commuter
O2 - Survivor
True - Village Lover
dubz - Village Mason
Stagg - Underdog
Zenge - Watchlisted Villager
Vis - Vanillager
alissa - Alien Sympathiser
Chaos - Village Godfather
mkg - Village Doctor
shorty - Alpha Goon
Lumi - Vanillager
Lawpy - Wolf 1x Paranoid Gun Owner

Just making note of this list if I need to find it later

I used retired wolf hunter for aff

literally what is the point of that role? Just being "named" ??? Because it sounds exactly like vanilla villager in terms of ability.

Can't believe that shorty threw away the Alpha role, simply because the idea of an Alpha Villager is extremely funny to me

Alpha in this setup isn't what you're thinking of.

shorty is right, alpha in this game is NOT like what we're typically used to on SDN. TBH their version of "alpha wolf" is hella lame, speaking as the person who was an alpha wolf in the last CYO.

 

[Lawpy]

Unvote genny , vote Lumi.

Pure self-preservation , but I would genuinely recommend rest of town to follow suit , I dont have any killing powers so you can get me anytime

Engaged

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Stagg () -
mkg () -
O2 () -
genny () -
True () -
dubz (1) - Lumi
Chaos (4) - Lawpy, shorty, mkg, Zenge
Lumi (5) - True, Wonder, Chaos, alissa, dubz
mkg () -

10/16
yeet close in ~26 hours

 

[Viscernable]

Nothing I can do except be completely honest now , It was indeed a fakeclaim. My role is actually Judas , I didnt want to claim it directly for well , umm obvious reasons

Hmmm chaos will need to be flipped eventually, but need to give any potential village vig a night to shoot him before yeeting him in case this claim is true

 

[kaydubs]

I was only 2 pages behind earlier. Where did these 9 come from?

 

[supershorty]

am i missing where you're asking for an explanation to something I said?

No, I’m making sure correct information is on the thread, like that a role only in the list one time can only be randed once.

I have a feeling I know how you made your sheet and it strikes me as an honest mistake to conflate what I said above with what roles could be in the game at all - it would be too obvious to be scummy twisting, I think, but I want it to be clear.

 

[alissa14]

@Chaostrodon i could've missed it, but I am confused.

No, I’m making sure correct information is on the thread, like that a role only in the list one time can only be randed once.

I have a feeling I know how you made your sheet and it strikes me as an honest mistake to conflate what I said above with what roles could be in the game at all - it would be too obvious to be scummy twisting, I think, but I want it to be clear.

I think we are both saying the same things but are confused with how the other is saying it

 

[alleycat03]

This post makes me feel a little funny. Giving me some LiterWWary flashbacks.

I'm trying to not be pinged by truey just from the first two pages but yikes on a bike I'm triggered

Have I ever played with village!true besides noob!true in bowwling? I only remember literary wolf!true (aka our captain)

The wincon is town-aligned per the wiki

This is another thing that bothers me, how tf is goo going to be town-aligned?

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And it's listed with town roles.

Guess that checks out even though it feels really weird lol

Literally why would goo's wincon, if they're building a cult, be village aligned? I know that is what the wiki says, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

I know that we absolutely shouldn't read too much into these, but I'll eat an entire [thing people don't normally eat] if shorty is scum

NOOOOOOOO True you cannot do that!! I used that same freaking claim the entire game last year. And I was lying

Given how much that argument was used for putting alley in some village lists in the last iteration of this game (and recognizing they're different players, but still), and that we don't know for sure if shorty had the option to be town, this is irrelevant for me.

Yes, Dubz is right. I still 100% prefer to play as a villager instead of scum. But in that game all of my choices were kinda crappy and (fake) alpha werewolf was the least-bad choice iirc. You cannot use personal preferences of people to decide their affiliation in this game, because it is totally possible that they only had scum options, or they decided to play scum for a really good role.

Ooooh right. I always forget that part. Okay.

Are we playing zingo this game? Because this comment was a bit weird 😉

 

[Viscernable]

If Chaos is actually Judas, is it beneficial to yeet him now? Because then we'd have to yeet him again tomorrow.
Why not keep him around for a bit as "the devil you know"?

It’s not, but judas is pretty much the optimal fakeclaim when confirmed non-village, so he’s unlikely to actually be judas imo. Give one night for vigging, I don’t think there’s any toles that would give a villager vig ability only after N1

 

[alissa14]

Hmmm chaos will need to be flipped eventually, but need to give any potential village vig a night to shoot him before yeeting him in case this claim is true

At this point, chaos is a waste of a vote because voting him out just converts him to mafia. Easier to let a vig shoot him or if there's an alien or wolf faction out there to take him out.