CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

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Specifically the joke he made about Lawpy identifying the entire wolf pack.
I know that's well within his meta to make wolfy-sounding jokes, but there's a specific flavor when he's wolfing trying to imitate his village tone in jokes and it struck me there.
I think it's similar to something he said at the beginning of Globe but I'd need to go back and look at that, look at LiterWWary, and compare to whether he has no made a similar joke in a village game.
 
Specifically the joke he made about Lawpy identifying the entire wolf pack.
I know that's well within his meta to make wolfy-sounding jokes, but there's a specific flavor when he's wolfing trying to imitate his village tone in jokes and it struck me there.
I think it's similar to something he said at the beginning of Globe but I'd need to go back and look at that, look at LiterWWary, and compare to whether he has no made a similar joke in a village game.
We had a similar string of jokes in Marvel Globe
 
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I do want to hear more from @Truenamer about his thought process on declaring shorty non-scum based on the discard list, and if I were more on top of my game I would have asked before offering my dissenting opinion.
 
Last time we played CYO, I think it was Chaos who encouraged everyone to claim what role they used for AFFILIATION pretty early on, and I like the thinking behind that since you can catch slips later with it.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT YOUR CHOICE FOR AFFILIATION, NOT ABILITY. DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLE.

I used town mason/lover for my aff.

RNGesus has a real trolly sense of humor giving me a lover possibility after my experience last year.
Village tree stump. Lawpy’s ideal role! :heckyeah:
 
Hang on. I'm confused on what's going on with claiming affiliation. How is that beneficial? Wouldn't wolves/goons just claim town alignment no matter what?
Yes, I fully expect that everyone will magically be town in their claims, but there's information to be gained from it that can be used to catch slips later on.
Especially in Multiball.

Different scum factions might know each other are lying but can’t out the other faction without outting themselves.

Like Wolf A uses Village Role X for ability.
Mafia A fake claims Village Role X for affiliation. Wolf A knows it’s a lie, but can’t say anything. But when we flip wolf A we’ll know Mafia A was lying.

It’s also more effective to do it earlier, because it narrows down the number of village roles scum can fake claim to have used for affiliation. The longer someone holds off, while not a guarantee, the more it feels like an attempt to be last and not claim something someone else can counter claim.
 
I'm going to peek back at Globe and LiterWWary to see what his opening posts were like in those games.
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Stagg (1) - dubz
mkg (1) - Lawpy
O2 () -
genny (1) - Chaos
True (1) - shorty

4/16
yeet close in ~31.5 hours
 
Returned, plus early wolf!Truey posts
GlobetWWotting:
I suppose I did claim in the sign up thread that my first post would be

Hello, delicious villagers! Can't wait to devour you!

So I was kind of asking for this 😂

I missed it! I will definitely pocket you, please give me a moment to fill my pocket with good warm fluff and a few knickknacks for entertainment
LiterWWARY:
A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game:
Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO (Game Theory Optimal) play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the Seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peeks.

Benefits:
1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and yeet me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12. I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with a mere 12 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:
The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion:
It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns. It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV (Expected Value) gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by my baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect.

Get #rekt.

Also First

Can't believe Zenge would start the game killing them, of all people. Wow.

I went away to lunch, had some drinks with the family, and then had to catch up with three pages of posting.

Highposters is scary when you can't camp the thread 😭
Both intros are jokey and very meta referencing him being a wolf in a nudge nudge, wink wink sort of way. Off to check village intro posts for comparison.
 
I'm going to peek back at Globe and LiterWWary to see what his opening posts were like in those games.
Edited my post above, it actually was Globe I was thinking of. Which...RIP, I'd always thought that interaction happened when we were v/v.
 
I'm going to peek back at Globe and LiterWWary to see what his opening posts were like in those games.
I skimmed early in Lit earlier and don't remember seeing a joke like that, but post 75 here had reminded me a bit of this post and that's why it didn't sit quite right with me:
I've heard tales of the glory but wow, it's different seeing it for myself.

Does... does wolf!shorty go to efforts like this? This radiates village energy but I've never actually gotten to play with her.

It felt like too bold of a declaration to make an inedible-item-eating statement about my aff this early on, particularly in a game that's quite likely to be multiball and when it's known that I like being 3p. Sort of like how the quote from LiterWWary was a little too quick to declare an NAI thing as radiating village for someone who had never played with me, but had seen other people being wary of me. The Lit one felt pockety in a way that I didn't quite feel here, but it still feels off.
 
I suppose I did claim in the sign up thread that my first post would be

Hello, delicious villagers! Can't wait to devour you!

So I was kind of asking for this 😂

True pls, it would have been funnier if you had just said it!


Damn, and so early too

I guess all we can do now is open wolf for the rest of the game, alas 🐺🐺🐺

It's the most fun part of wolfing tbh. Good thing we're both alphas!
 
It's mind-bogglingly bemusing to me how many times I catch wolfy scents early on and then completely fall off the trail for several cycles.
Happens to the best of us


And the worst of us, but this isn't about me
 
It's mind-bogglingly bemusing to me how many times I catch wolfy scents early on and then completely fall off the trail for several cycles.
Happens to the best of us


And the worst of us, but this isn't about me
I literally just had a game where between me and Lumi, we'd IDed all the wolves by D2 of the game, and then village got crushed anyway. It happens.
 
True - Village Lover
I glimpsed this post and suddenly remembered True saying he'd randed lover twice and discarded one while using the other for affiliation, so my instant thought was he couldn't be village but his actual post says he randed village lover twice.
Which is... odd? Has that ever occurred in previous CYO games?
 
I glimpsed this post and suddenly remembered True saying he'd randed lover twice and discarded one while using the other for affiliation, so my instant thought was he couldn't be village but his actual post says he randed village lover twice.
Which is... odd? Has that ever occurred in previous CYO games?
I think I had a duplicate in a previous round but I'd have to go looking back through my PMs
 
I glimpsed this post and suddenly remembered True saying he'd randed lover twice and discarded one while using the other for affiliation, so my instant thought was he couldn't be village but his actual post says he randed village lover twice.
Which is... odd? Has that ever occurred in previous CYO games?
I mean, it's pure RNG, there's no reason that it couldn't happen with roles that are present in the game multiple times (which town lover is).
 
This feels like typical true to me? Anything specific that's standing out?
Yes.

First one: my main issue with it was the pre-emptive "I'm going to be busy" because wolf!True did that to an enormous extent in LiterWWary and I've not seen him do it that much as village. To be fair to him, he did have a lot going on life-wise during that game, but the amount of times that he felt it necessary to justify his not being around on the thread compared to when he's village was very noticeable.

I also didn't particularly like the beginning because of another thing he does when he's wolfing that I'd like to keep in my back pocket for the moment.

Second one: already said my issue in a post before this one

Third one: somewhat the same problem as I had with the first post, but I'm giving this one some leniency because the site is definitely being glitchy.
 
I do want to hear more from @Truenamer about his thought process on declaring shorty non-scum based on the discard list, and if I were more on top of my game I would have asked before offering my dissenting opinion.
My full thinking was that if she had the bad luck to rand three scum roles, I would expect her to pick a less-common variety so that she could kinda play like a neutral 3P and wolf hunt like normal, just like she did last game.

So if she got wolf wolf goon, I would expect her to pick goon.

Since she discarded goon, it feels like she'd have to get something like alien [other weird thing] goon

But mostly I was just picking over the rejections list and seeing if there was any crumb I could get out of it
 
Yes.

First one: my main issue with it was the pre-emptive "I'm going to be busy" because wolf!True did that to an enormous extent in LiterWWary and I've not seen him do it that much as village. To be fair to him, he did have a lot going on life-wise during that game, but the amount of times that he felt it necessary to justify his not being around on the thread compared to when he's village was very noticeable.

I also didn't particularly like the beginning because of another thing he does when he's wolfing that I'd like to keep in my back pocket for the moment.

Second one: already said my issue in a post before this one

Third one: somewhat the same problem as I had with the first post, but I'm giving this one some leniency because the site is definitely being glitchy.
I'm not going to harp on this too much because I started the game in a good mood and I want to keep it that way, but I have only been busy/traveling during a game twice, and you are citing the two times.

I generally think it's rude to sign up for a game that you have a big conflict for, and while I don't think I'll have a problem meeting post minimums, I felt anxious/bad about that and wanted to let people know at the very start.
 
True village intros:
MarWWeL:
Samac confirmed village, current reads list:

1. Samac
2. Everyone else

Hi everybody, especially the folks I haven't played with yet. This is my third game, and I'm walking back my goal from the last game- I now see that it's much more fun to die early but have village win than to live to the end but lose 😂😭

I'll continue to make the same intro every game to get some free sketchy points, then 😀
BoWWling (his first game):
Hi everyone! Looking forward to getting to know you all over a nice, friendly game of bowling.

Yeet bluestoat for using forbidden out-of-game knowledge

And also for relying on mods to be perfectly timely

Fixed! Hope my bowling game is smoother than my posting game.

The goal is to avoid as many pins as possible, right?
StardeWW:
Hello, fellow farmers!

Really looking forward to my second game. My goal: to not get eated or misyeeted until at least day 3 😀

Oh hey, just curious, are you a wolf in this game too?
(above in response to samac, after she wolfed in BoWWling the prior game)
Mountains:
Seems pretty suspicious, time to ISO
(in response to Zenge hard claiming he was vanilla)
I have a vague plan this time, we'll see how it goes. Going to try and channel Stoat since she's wildly better than me at day 1. In our very first game she spotted you on D1, if I recall correctly!
Anniversary Game:
So apparently the game is not starting on the 23rd like I wrote down

Uh

Oops
(Above post was made without knowing roles so is NAI, but interesting to compare. Died before could make any posts as a villager.)
 
My full thinking was that if she had the bad luck to rand three scum roles, I would expect her to pick a less-common variety so that she could kinda play like a neutral 3P and wolf hunt like normal, just like she did last game.

So if she got wolf wolf goon, I would expect her to pick goon.

Since she discarded goon, it feels like she'd have to get something like alien [other weird thing] goon

But mostly I was just picking over the rejections list and seeing if there was any crumb I could get out of it
I'm not sure I'm following. Alpha goon is a type of mafia role, and there are just about as many of those as wolf roles in the possibilities for this setup.
 
My full thinking was that if she had the bad luck to rand three scum roles, I would expect her to pick a less-common variety so that she could kinda play like a neutral 3P and wolf hunt like normal, just like she did last game.
Less common wouldn't necessarily mean neutral, but additionally by her own words she would've eased up on wolfhunting last game had she not been ded.
 
I'm not sure I'm following. Alpha goon is a type of mafia role, and there are just about as many of those as wolf roles in the possibilities for this setup.
Ah, I see that now. I assumed there'd be less because of how wolf-centric these forums are, I forgot that we're not "normal" for that.
 
Less common wouldn't necessarily mean neutral, but additionally by her own words she would've eased up on wolfhunting last game had she not been ded.
That's fair. I suppose I should have just said what I was originally thinking:

"People like shorty who hate hate hate being scum start the game with village points in my books"

I get that they could have randed 3 scum options, it's just somewhere for my brain to start.
 
I get what he meant as far as a less common aff = more likelihood of being alone rather than being on a team, but I don't see the connection to a mafia discard meaning that shorty is village.
Ironically, I'd be more comfortable with someone saying that if I had discarded a village role because them coming to the conclusion of "I don't think shorty would discard a village role in favor of choosing scum" makes more sense to me than this one.
 
I get what he meant as far as a less common aff = more likelihood of being alone rather than being on a team, but I don't see the connection to a mafia discard meaning that shorty is village.
I've actually come to a second, better realization:

I'm dumb, and had my logic backwards. People who hate being scum should primarily get credit if their discarded role is village, because that proves they had village as an option.
 
That's fair. I suppose I should have just said what I was originally thinking:

"People like shorty who hate hate hate being scum start the game with village points in my books"

I get that they could have randed 3 scum options, it's just somewhere for my brain to start.
I don't think she hates being scum, though. Above she said she likes being 3p which can be a type of scum.
 
That's fair. I suppose I should have just said what I was originally thinking:

"People like shorty who hate hate hate being scum start the game with village points in my books"

I get that they could have randed 3 scum options, it's just somewhere for my brain to start.
Tbh I would only apply that in cases where we knew they had a village option. PLUS even in that case their village options might have been kinda ****ty depending on the ability options they had

So really for this to mean anything you have to know they 1) hate being scum 2) had a choice and 3) hate being scum so much that they would choose a ****ty village role over it

It's a lot of assumptions to make
 
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